If you let some of the Muslims be Muslims the way that they want to be Muslims then gays won't be able to to be gay without being persecuted.
That's true of a rather higher percentage of Christians, though. If you let even a handful of the Christians be Christians the way that they want to be, then no-one will be able to anything without being persecuted. Extremist Christians are even scarier than Extremist Muslims. For one thing, they have better guns, and more of them.
They're not being forced to store conversations, they're being forced to report changes in their network infrastructure. Any change in the networking, must be reported to law enforcement officials. Personally I don't see a problem with this, just email it across any time anything changes. Anything. Anything at all. How big do you think Telstra's DHCP logs get in a day? Quite big?
Strong medicine often only needs a couple of doses...
I don't think there are enough resources for everyone to eat meat like they do in the West.
In the west we eat far too much poor-quality meat. Especially the US, where cows are pumped full of drugs and hormones to get them to bulk up faster and are then sold for slaughter at roughly half the age they are anywhere else in the world. This just gives you lots of cheap shitty meat.
Really, vegetables are too cheap and too readily available out-of-season too. We spend massive amounts of money and energy growing stuff and shipping stuff that ends up in landfill. It's not sustainable. My grandparents didn't have supermarkets with shelves full of cheap vegetables grown half a planet away, and I doubt my grandchildren will either. Maybe my children won't. Hell, maybe *I* won't, before I hit retirement age.
We cannot afford to fuck about with this. Deliberately excluding a whole slew of foods because you think that it's icky and mean to kill animals to eat them is just not going to be a sustainable way to live, Real Soon Now.
Okay, but what are you going to do about sustainability? You can make (very poor quality) compost by allowing the weeds you dig out to rot down. If you grow vegetables on the land, then remove the vegetables and eat them, and then - not to put to fine a point on it - shit somewhere else, you deprive the land of those nutrients for the next lot of growth. Even if you do literally shit where you eat, you still bind up a very large proportion of the nutrients from the soil. You need to get some stuff in from outside. Now, in the north-west of Scotland, that has traditionally been seaweed and cow dung. Obviously modern petrochemical fertilisers have their place, but we won't have those forever.
Posting a link to a thinly-disguised book advert isn't terribly convincing, and neither are the ideas espoused in the wiki page. He's right about the shallow tilling, for certain crops (leafy vegetables, for one thing). That's absolutely the wrong thing for carrots and onions, though. To get those to work properly, you want to get right down into the soil, break it up as much as possible, and pull out any stones bigger than a broad bean. Shallow tilling isn't going to cut it, in those circumstances.
After all, it's those markets in which MAD COW disease first got it's big exposure ... which came from cattle imported from South America, via North American beef herds.
American Beef is generally superior to European Beff simply because we raise beef cattle specifically for beef and harvest them at a younger more tender age
American beef is generally inferior to European beef, because you slaughter cows when they are immature and the meat is as bland and squishy as window putty. I guess the softer meat is easier to chew with bad teeth, or something.
You're obviously not thinking clearly. Possibly improving your diet by including some oily fish would help with that.
Right, here goes, one point at a time. You avoid animal products. This means that to grow your vegetables, you can't use animal-derived fertiliser. Now, okay, I will admit I am being somewhat facetious by saying that if you're a vegan, you can't spread manure from cows. Call it trolling if it makes you feel better. You certainly can't use BBM (blood and bone meal) which is an awesome way of getting nitrogen and calcium into soils that lack it (and most farmland does even if you rotate crops, which most factory farms don't do). BBM is pretty disgusting stuff to deal with even if you're not a vegan, so we'll stick to the cow poo. Now, how do you get that without cows? You *could* use human-derived "organic" from sewage processing, but that requires so much processing to remove really unpleasant pathogens that it becomes massively uneconomic. For what it's worth, pig poo is extremely similar to human poo, but doesn't have the pathogens. Whichever way you slice it, the best way to turn vegetation into compost is to pass it through a ruminant herbivore, and you will get a *lot* of compost. Of course, there are other animal products like leather - yes, you can use plastics but then we're back to petrochemicals. Once they're gone, you'll be back to tilling the fields with a horse-drawn plough so you're going to need leather for harnesses, not to mention keeping draught horses to pull the plough. There's not much oil left. Better get reading those books on horsemanship.
It's really only in the US that 80% of grain is used for livestock feed, but I've already covered this in another reply. To recap, the utterly spacktarded system of subsidies in the US means it makes economic sense to feed cows grain, which they can't readily digest. Cows eat grass. Hens eat grain. Pretty simple. If it was economically viable (read: subsidised to the hilt) to feed cows scarified tarmac, you can bet that someone would try it. Feeding cows grain is stupid. Don't do it. Spent brewery mash is a different matter altogether. They still can't digest it effectively but at least you've made beer from it, and it's extremely cheap. It works well as winter forage, but it's pretty smelly and unpleasant stuff to work with. You need to mix it with something like shredded sugar beet (okay, there's a cash crop that's grown for animals), which doesn't make it smell any better.
"lower rates of heard disease and cancer" - citation needed, I'm sorry. Some of the most fit people I know are omnivores, some of the least fit are vegetarian. It comes down to getting enough exercise and a balanced diet.
It takes about 10 pounds of grain to get 1 pound of beef out.
That's because cows don't eat grain. It is uneconomic to feed cows grain, which is why no-one in their right mind does it. It's okay to do it in the US, where you have masses of cheap, heavily-subsidised grain. That said, here in the UK we do often feed cows spent mash from breweries and distilleries, which is a great way of getting rid of something that would otherwise just rot and turn nasty. Spend mash dumped in the ground == stinky sour mess, Spent mash + cow == meat + cow poo, which rots down nicely into organic fertiliser.
"Most cases" being where you've got lots of nice flat arable land. As I say, if you can figure out how to efficiently grow crops on a hill farm, you might be onto something. You haven't got long, though, because the oil is running out and cheap vegetables will be *gone* - back to an omnivorous diet when that happens!
That's all fine if we want to continue to be nothing more than animals
Actually, the vast majority of animals are vegetarian (or herbivorous). So far, humans are the only animals to live an agrarian existence. The earth just does not have the resources to sustain turning all farm land into arable land. In 50 years time when petrochemicals are too scarce to support your arable-only farms, you'll need to switch back to eating meat.
So, you don't want to use animal products? Better stop eating organic vegetables, then, and switch to those lovely eco-friendly petrochemicals!
Here's a hint - most of the world's farms are *not* rolling Iowa cornfields. We *do* need to eat meat, because there isn't enough room to grow vegetables for everyone.
Get your blubbery malnourished backside off your seat, and go and work on a farm.
Well, the 26 calories is probably as much of a guess as the other figures I've heard reported, anything from 2 to 100.
The thing is, those calories, 26 if you like, can come from stuff that humans can't eat, like grass. Animals can (and do) graze on farmland that isn't really terribly suitable for growing crops. Without raising animals for meat, most of the people in the world would starve.
Actually, we kill and eat animals because we are hungry, and we need to eat. The world does not have enough resources for everyone to be a vegetarian, or even a vegan. If you think you can grow arable crops on all farmland, you're welcome to come to the north-west of Scotland and try your hand at raising crops on a hill farm. Sheep and cows do just fine on it. Give me a shout once you've worked out how to plough a peat bog on a one-in-five slope.
I was able to turn quite a lot of skin into quite a lot of blood, with nothing more complicated than a length of aerial cable and a Peugeot Boxer van. Feed aerial cable down through the roof, slide hand between headlining and door frame to retrieve cable, and voila! Lots of blood and no skin on the back of your hand!
There's nothing irrational about it. Meat produced for the US market does not meet the standards required in the UK and EU. Well, I suppose that's probably not true of small farms producing high-quality meat, but the supermarket stuff would not be allowed to be sold in the UK. Maybe once you get the drugs, DDT and notifiable diseases out...
The delicacy you call "bologna", we call cat food. What you call cheese, we call - well, actually, I don't know what we call it. That squeezy stuff in tubes, probably bathroom sealant or something. Your hot dogs and burgers resemble pet food, too.
There isn't a single appetising-sounding food that has ever come out of the US.
REAL American beer is done in microbrews.... like here in Portland, Oregon. ... and not served chilled. The whole point of chilling beer is so that it numbs your tastebuds so you can't taste how nasty it is when it's badly made.
Budweiser's "Fresh Beer Tastes Better" adverts were pulled by the ASA in the UK, because fresh beer does not, in fact, taste better. It tastes like yeasty rat piss until it has had time to mature a bit.
I've got better things to do with my time, like work for a company that pays a decent wage and doesn't waste money on stupid ideas like this. I'm probably fitter than most of the people at your company's gym anyway;-)
I've got to wonder if this is maybe discriminating against disabled workers, too.
But, if the material that has been copied is a cover version, then the damages should go to the original author, not the person that recorded a cheap, easy knockoff.
Heck, my company pays its employees a bonus if they work out.
I don't think I'd want to work for a company that expects me to waste my time at the gym. Unless, of course, I was doing it in work hours. I definitely wouldn't do it in my own time.
Isn't that statement redundant? All python code is simplistic and ugly.
That's true of any very high-level language, like Python, Ruby, Haskell, Pascal or C.
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If you let some of the Muslims be Muslims the way that they want to be Muslims then gays won't be able to to be gay without being persecuted.
That's true of a rather higher percentage of Christians, though. If you let even a handful of the Christians be Christians the way that they want to be, then no-one will be able to anything without being persecuted. Extremist Christians are even scarier than Extremist Muslims. For one thing, they have better guns, and more of them.
They're not being forced to store conversations, they're being forced to report changes in their network infrastructure. Any change in the networking, must be reported to law enforcement officials. Personally I don't see a problem with this, just email it across any time anything changes. Anything. Anything at all. How big do you think Telstra's DHCP logs get in a day? Quite big?
Strong medicine often only needs a couple of doses...
it instills fear into other people who have to increasingly worry about what they say and how they say it.
Good. I want people to be afraid to make death threats.
In the US, if you make a similar "joke" about a politician you don't even get arrested, just "disappeared" to Guantanamo Bay.
I don't think there are enough resources for everyone to eat meat like they do in the West.
In the west we eat far too much poor-quality meat. Especially the US, where cows are pumped full of drugs and hormones to get them to bulk up faster and are then sold for slaughter at roughly half the age they are anywhere else in the world. This just gives you lots of cheap shitty meat.
Really, vegetables are too cheap and too readily available out-of-season too. We spend massive amounts of money and energy growing stuff and shipping stuff that ends up in landfill. It's not sustainable. My grandparents didn't have supermarkets with shelves full of cheap vegetables grown half a planet away, and I doubt my grandchildren will either. Maybe my children won't. Hell, maybe *I* won't, before I hit retirement age.
We cannot afford to fuck about with this. Deliberately excluding a whole slew of foods because you think that it's icky and mean to kill animals to eat them is just not going to be a sustainable way to live, Real Soon Now.
Okay, but what are you going to do about sustainability? You can make (very poor quality) compost by allowing the weeds you dig out to rot down. If you grow vegetables on the land, then remove the vegetables and eat them, and then - not to put to fine a point on it - shit somewhere else, you deprive the land of those nutrients for the next lot of growth. Even if you do literally shit where you eat, you still bind up a very large proportion of the nutrients from the soil. You need to get some stuff in from outside. Now, in the north-west of Scotland, that has traditionally been seaweed and cow dung. Obviously modern petrochemical fertilisers have their place, but we won't have those forever.
Posting a link to a thinly-disguised book advert isn't terribly convincing, and neither are the ideas espoused in the wiki page. He's right about the shallow tilling, for certain crops (leafy vegetables, for one thing). That's absolutely the wrong thing for carrots and onions, though. To get those to work properly, you want to get right down into the soil, break it up as much as possible, and pull out any stones bigger than a broad bean. Shallow tilling isn't going to cut it, in those circumstances.
After all, it's those markets in which MAD COW disease first got it's big exposure
... which came from cattle imported from South America, via North American beef herds.
American Beef is generally superior to European Beff simply because we raise beef cattle specifically for beef and harvest them at a younger more tender age
American beef is generally inferior to European beef, because you slaughter cows when they are immature and the meat is as bland and squishy as window putty. I guess the softer meat is easier to chew with bad teeth, or something.
You're obviously not thinking clearly. Possibly improving your diet by including some oily fish would help with that.
Right, here goes, one point at a time. You avoid animal products. This means that to grow your vegetables, you can't use animal-derived fertiliser. Now, okay, I will admit I am being somewhat facetious by saying that if you're a vegan, you can't spread manure from cows. Call it trolling if it makes you feel better. You certainly can't use BBM (blood and bone meal) which is an awesome way of getting nitrogen and calcium into soils that lack it (and most farmland does even if you rotate crops, which most factory farms don't do). BBM is pretty disgusting stuff to deal with even if you're not a vegan, so we'll stick to the cow poo. Now, how do you get that without cows? You *could* use human-derived "organic" from sewage processing, but that requires so much processing to remove really unpleasant pathogens that it becomes massively uneconomic. For what it's worth, pig poo is extremely similar to human poo, but doesn't have the pathogens. Whichever way you slice it, the best way to turn vegetation into compost is to pass it through a ruminant herbivore, and you will get a *lot* of compost. Of course, there are other animal products like leather - yes, you can use plastics but then we're back to petrochemicals. Once they're gone, you'll be back to tilling the fields with a horse-drawn plough so you're going to need leather for harnesses, not to mention keeping draught horses to pull the plough. There's not much oil left. Better get reading those books on horsemanship.
It's really only in the US that 80% of grain is used for livestock feed, but I've already covered this in another reply. To recap, the utterly spacktarded system of subsidies in the US means it makes economic sense to feed cows grain, which they can't readily digest. Cows eat grass. Hens eat grain. Pretty simple. If it was economically viable (read: subsidised to the hilt) to feed cows scarified tarmac, you can bet that someone would try it. Feeding cows grain is stupid. Don't do it. Spent brewery mash is a different matter altogether. They still can't digest it effectively but at least you've made beer from it, and it's extremely cheap. It works well as winter forage, but it's pretty smelly and unpleasant stuff to work with. You need to mix it with something like shredded sugar beet (okay, there's a cash crop that's grown for animals), which doesn't make it smell any better.
"lower rates of heard disease and cancer" - citation needed, I'm sorry. Some of the most fit people I know are omnivores, some of the least fit are vegetarian. It comes down to getting enough exercise and a balanced diet.
That is only true in a few arctic areas where it stays snowbound 3/4ths of the year.
You're welcome to come and try it in the not-very-snowy north of Scotland. Seriously. Drop me an email, and we can make it happen.
It takes about 10 pounds of grain to get 1 pound of beef out.
That's because cows don't eat grain. It is uneconomic to feed cows grain, which is why no-one in their right mind does it. It's okay to do it in the US, where you have masses of cheap, heavily-subsidised grain. That said, here in the UK we do often feed cows spent mash from breweries and distilleries, which is a great way of getting rid of something that would otherwise just rot and turn nasty. Spend mash dumped in the ground == stinky sour mess, Spent mash + cow == meat + cow poo, which rots down nicely into organic fertiliser.
"Most cases" being where you've got lots of nice flat arable land. As I say, if you can figure out how to efficiently grow crops on a hill farm, you might be onto something. You haven't got long, though, because the oil is running out and cheap vegetables will be *gone* - back to an omnivorous diet when that happens!
That's all fine if we want to continue to be nothing more than animals
Actually, the vast majority of animals are vegetarian (or herbivorous). So far, humans are the only animals to live an agrarian existence. The earth just does not have the resources to sustain turning all farm land into arable land. In 50 years time when petrochemicals are too scarce to support your arable-only farms, you'll need to switch back to eating meat.
So, you don't want to use animal products? Better stop eating organic vegetables, then, and switch to those lovely eco-friendly petrochemicals!
Here's a hint - most of the world's farms are *not* rolling Iowa cornfields. We *do* need to eat meat, because there isn't enough room to grow vegetables for everyone.
Get your blubbery malnourished backside off your seat, and go and work on a farm.
Well, the 26 calories is probably as much of a guess as the other figures I've heard reported, anything from 2 to 100.
The thing is, those calories, 26 if you like, can come from stuff that humans can't eat, like grass. Animals can (and do) graze on farmland that isn't really terribly suitable for growing crops. Without raising animals for meat, most of the people in the world would starve.
Actually, we kill and eat animals because we are hungry, and we need to eat. The world does not have enough resources for everyone to be a vegetarian, or even a vegan. If you think you can grow arable crops on all farmland, you're welcome to come to the north-west of Scotland and try your hand at raising crops on a hill farm. Sheep and cows do just fine on it. Give me a shout once you've worked out how to plough a peat bog on a one-in-five slope.
I was able to turn quite a lot of skin into quite a lot of blood, with nothing more complicated than a length of aerial cable and a Peugeot Boxer van. Feed aerial cable down through the roof, slide hand between headlining and door frame to retrieve cable, and voila! Lots of blood and no skin on the back of your hand!
There's nothing irrational about it. Meat produced for the US market does not meet the standards required in the UK and EU. Well, I suppose that's probably not true of small farms producing high-quality meat, but the supermarket stuff would not be allowed to be sold in the UK. Maybe once you get the drugs, DDT and notifiable diseases out...
I'm not in England. And, unless you do a great line in vegetarian barbecue, I'm not terribly interested because I won't eat meat from the US.
The delicacy you call "bologna", we call cat food. What you call cheese, we call - well, actually, I don't know what we call it. That squeezy stuff in tubes, probably bathroom sealant or something. Your hot dogs and burgers resemble pet food, too.
There isn't a single appetising-sounding food that has ever come out of the US.
REAL American beer is done in microbrews.... like here in Portland, Oregon.
... and not served chilled. The whole point of chilling beer is so that it numbs your tastebuds so you can't taste how nasty it is when it's badly made.
Budweiser's "Fresh Beer Tastes Better" adverts were pulled by the ASA in the UK, because fresh beer does not, in fact, taste better. It tastes like yeasty rat piss until it has had time to mature a bit.
Name one well-known American chef. How many well-known British chefs can you name?
America has the worst food in the world, all bland greasy meat covered in cheap hot sauce.
I've got better things to do with my time, like work for a company that pays a decent wage and doesn't waste money on stupid ideas like this. I'm probably fitter than most of the people at your company's gym anyway ;-)
I've got to wonder if this is maybe discriminating against disabled workers, too.
But, if the material that has been copied is a cover version, then the damages should go to the original author, not the person that recorded a cheap, easy knockoff.
Heck, my company pays its employees a bonus if they work out.
I don't think I'd want to work for a company that expects me to waste my time at the gym. Unless, of course, I was doing it in work hours. I definitely wouldn't do it in my own time.
What a stupid policy.
Isn't that statement redundant? All python code is simplistic and ugly.
That's true of any very high-level language, like Python, Ruby, Haskell, Pascal or C.
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Dear slashdot janitors,
Between your stupid "It's been 20 seconds since you hit reply", the entirely unusable new comments system, the "new" user pages and this seemingly random delay before you can reply to another post, you are slowly making your site harder and harder to enjoy using. Do you really want to drive readers and commenters away? Please fix the broken stuff, before adding cheesy-looking "lightbox" popups for logins and other such pointless crap.
Thanks,
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