If people are going to hold manufacturers liable for their buggy/insecure software, then why not hardware manufactures as well?
I've seen whole RAID arrays rendered useless because of a problematic controller (no backups too, heh), is Adaptec liable for the loss in data/money/time in the same way that Microsoft/Sun/etc is liable because Joe Admin's machines go down when he didn't apply patches?
The majority of replies to this thread revolve around the idea that people aren't stupid enough to execute unknown binaries as root. But why does a virus need root? Many of them these days don't have a destructive payload, aside from the ammount of bandwidth and network resources that they consume. It's just as likely for someone with a uid > 0 to forward 100 emails onto everyone in their address book as it is for root. Couple this with something like the pine url command execution advisory which I read on bugtraq this morning, and we might be in business.
But seriously, if it's a cold climate, the open air might be an alternative. Perhaps not using a window left swinging in the breeze, but exhaust fans would probably keep the temperature down as well as the electricty bill.
Perhaps I didn't catch the full idea behind this, but wasn't the whole idea behind the ports tree to provide system specific patches and configurations dependant on the platform at hand?
Personally, I'd prefer to have the software I'm using configured specifically for my platform, not a generic mismatch of options.
Or will the different package sets still differ form system to system, with a common management tool?
Get over it?
As a linux user, I was beaten to death with "WINDOWS SUCKS!" I've since moved to FreeBSD, and all I seem to get now is "LINUX SUCKS!" Makes me wonder, it's not often I hear Windows users making such comments about other OS's.
Who really cares? Why not stop viewing it as "Linux vs FreeBSD" and "Is such and such dying" and start thinking about it as the Open Source community? No matter what, one is always going to have a feature the other doesn't have, or one is going to do something better than the other one does, and while they do, they're not going to die. Each has it's various applications and uses, and people have their personal preferences.
Aside from this, how much has linux used from bsd code? How much has bsd used from linux code? A little healthy competition is good for the market, however, when it degrades into an immature flame war (as these often do) it serves noone, and get's nothing done.
BSD is not going to die, there's always going to be people who love and use it.
I, for one, am sick of hearing this same old rant.
Peace.
I must disagree. I used linux (slackware) for ~2 years, before making the move to FreeBSD. Generally, I found it hell to find docs for slackware. (i realise other distro's have better docs/etc)
Since moving to FreeBSD, I've found that I've learnt a hell of a lot more in the short time that I've been using it, compared to the time I spent with linux. I've also found that it's *much* easier to administrate.
Aside from the abundance of docs distributed with the release, and that on the homepage, I've found their mailinglists an invaluable source of information. A quick search of the lists, and one is generally furnished with something appropriate, otherwise, the community is always quick to respond to a post to freebsd-questions
with concise and accurate information.
As for ease of administration, I must point you to ports and the make world process. If for nothing else (there was a lot more) these two things would have been enough to keep me away from linux forever.
Indeed it is.
I serve porn files from my linux box.
I relay porn mail from my linux box.
Hell, there's grandma porn there somewhere.
Are you saying I can't look at porn on my linux box?!
It makes me play with my tool. Does that make it a toy?
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If people are going to hold manufacturers liable for their buggy/insecure software, then why not hardware manufactures as well?
I've seen whole RAID arrays rendered useless because of a problematic controller (no backups too, heh), is Adaptec liable for the loss in data/money/time in the same way that Microsoft/Sun/etc is liable because Joe Admin's machines go down when he didn't apply patches?
The majority of replies to this thread revolve around the idea that people aren't stupid enough to execute unknown binaries as root. But why does a virus need root? Many of them these days don't have a destructive payload, aside from the ammount of bandwidth and network resources that they consume. It's just as likely for someone with a uid > 0 to forward 100 emails onto everyone in their address book as it is for root. Couple this with something like the pine url command execution advisory which I read on bugtraq this morning, and we might be in business.
It's early, ok?
But seriously, if it's a cold climate, the open air might be an alternative. Perhaps not using a window left swinging in the breeze, but exhaust fans would probably keep the temperature down as well as the electricty bill.
Open the window?
Perhaps I didn't catch the full idea behind this, but wasn't the whole idea behind the ports tree to provide system specific patches and configurations dependant on the platform at hand?
Personally, I'd prefer to have the software I'm using configured specifically for my platform, not a generic mismatch of options.
Or will the different package sets still differ form system to system, with a common management tool?
look ma, i done went and shot a hole in the trailer!
Anyone with a spare non-australian couch?
man ls
Get over it?
As a linux user, I was beaten to death with "WINDOWS SUCKS!" I've since moved to FreeBSD, and all I seem to get now is "LINUX SUCKS!" Makes me wonder, it's not often I hear Windows users making such comments about other OS's.
Who really cares? Why not stop viewing it as "Linux vs FreeBSD" and "Is such and such dying" and start thinking about it as the Open Source community? No matter what, one is always going to have a feature the other doesn't have, or one is going to do something better than the other one does, and while they do, they're not going to die. Each has it's various applications and uses, and people have their personal preferences.
Aside from this, how much has linux used from bsd code? How much has bsd used from linux code? A little healthy competition is good for the market, however, when it degrades into an immature flame war (as these often do) it serves noone, and get's nothing done.
BSD is not going to die, there's always going to be people who love and use it.
I, for one, am sick of hearing this same old rant.
Peace.
I must disagree. I used linux (slackware) for ~2 years, before making the move to FreeBSD. Generally, I found it hell to find docs for slackware. (i realise other distro's have better docs/etc)
Since moving to FreeBSD, I've found that I've learnt a hell of a lot more in the short time that I've been using it, compared to the time I spent with linux. I've also found that it's *much* easier to administrate.
Aside from the abundance of docs distributed with the release, and that on the homepage, I've found their mailinglists an invaluable source of information. A quick search of the lists, and one is generally furnished with something appropriate, otherwise, the community is always quick to respond to a post to freebsd-questions with concise and accurate information.
As for ease of administration, I must point you to ports and the make world process. If for nothing else (there was a lot more) these two things would have been enough to keep me away from linux forever.
Indeed it is.
I serve porn files from my linux box.
I relay porn mail from my linux box.
Hell, there's grandma porn there somewhere.
Are you saying I can't look at porn on my linux box?!
It makes me play with my tool. Does that make it a toy?