I do agree that ethical behaviour is important, it is what keeps society together; at least to some meassure. However, Katz has made broad asumptions about the profesionalism of the people that produce the sw that we use, without discriminating on wether the sw is open or shrinkwrap or industrial. There are big differences between them, as well as between the people that produce or sell them. It seems that Katz has not noticed this.
To me, it seems that the open community has done a great job of self regulating; of adhering to a high standard of respect to their fellow coders and to the users of their efforts - ethical behaviour. I have not seen evidence of the contrary. Lets also not forget that programers that work in a sw shop for shrinkwrap sw are seldom in control of the product. The control of the sw in these cases is the realm of the greasy marketer/bussiness person, undoubtedly, a lower life form. For these we do need some form of written code and accountability. (imho)
cheers,
Frank Software Engineer.
P.S: -- Blessed is the man who, having nothing to say, abstains from giving in words evidence of the fact. -- George Eliot
correction, at least Nortel has an equivalent product on the market; at less bandwidth at the moment but continually increasing (drnd, should i have said this?). Others, i'm sure, are close to releasing something similar if they do not have it already. Cerent's produc upped the ante however.
First Cisco says that sonet is dead, now they are paying 6B for a sonet co. It seems that is costing them more to get in the optical game than say Nortel to ge into the data game (Nortel paid about 6.5B to get with Bay.
What this says is that the competition is heating up. If you are not in the game with a product now, you will lose a lot of mindshare. Obviously, Nortel and Lucent and others soon to be assymilated are working on equivalent equipment. For us Lusers, it means that bandwidth is getting cheaper, and thus closer to the home; stay tunned, youwill soon hear about sts1/oc3 interfaces for your puter (inside knowledge? maybe). There are already ATM cards!
I will not flame, just point out some troubling discrepancies on the American government and the general attitude of most Americans. What is, realy, the difference between China and Cuba? Yet the American govt is willing to bend over backwards in order to get a pice of the chinese market; giving only limmited protests over Chinas record. While the economic sanctions on Cuba, (and I don't like Castro or his regime) driven by some loud mouthed, hypocrite politicians and rich Cuban-Americans, keep driving down the lives of people in the island. The reason is, in summary, that Cuba offers little economic potential for the USA, except for the poor, displaced, little rich kids that want their palacess back.
sorry, getting too political...I may want to work in the states some day;)
ANYWAY, back to the question. I say go for it, if you are realy moraly comfortable and careful. The more business opt to disregard politically motivated restrictions, the less they will become tools of the whims of the likes of Helms, and K^Hclan. Foreing policy is up to the politicians and diplomats.
He includes data from before the deregulation of the telecom industry. The old monopoly of AT&T did not provide an incentive to offer more bandwidth to the home customer; now, there are several new clecs and hundreds of regional and national ISPs laying infrastructure and offering cheaper connection rates. Thus, if you only look at data after deregulation came into effect, the grouth of bandwith will be much more dramatic than Moores law.
accross the USA would be hard to measure, but the biggest single link accross el continente belongs to QWest communications. They just lit up an OC-192 network, i think at 4 lamdas, expandable to 32 using Nortel equipment; that is, 40Gb/s expandable to 320Gb/s. They had some neat adds stating that it would take 17 or something seconds to tx the whole lib of congress, including pictures, accross the US; i should know the details better, i work in nortel; however...
by the way, some trivia: did you know that more than 75% of internet trafic is carried over nortel equipment?
and I don't mean the 80k reach... What's the most home users get right now? cable, ADSL, etc. they are cheap, but they are also shared bandwidth (local loop or at the central office). There are some other access methods, like ATM, but they are not widely used (i think in New Brunswick, canada, eh!) For a guarantied bandwidth, business pays big bucks! $800/mo for a T1 $2k/mo for a T3 (~50M), don't know for a SONET OC3 (155M) or OC12 (620M) but only the very big companies can afford/justify leasing that type of bandwidth... I'll be happy when hook up a T3/DS3 to my basement gateway/firewall (or when i can afford one)
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I do agree that ethical behaviour is important, it is what keeps society together; at least to some meassure. However, Katz has made broad asumptions about the profesionalism of the people that produce the sw that we use, without discriminating on wether the sw is open or shrinkwrap or industrial. There are big differences between them, as well as between the people that produce or sell them. It seems that Katz has not noticed this.
To me, it seems that the open community has done a great job of self regulating; of adhering to a high standard of respect to their fellow coders and to the users of their efforts - ethical behaviour. I have not seen evidence of the contrary. Lets also not forget that programers that work in a sw shop for shrinkwrap sw are seldom in control of the product. The control of the sw in these cases is the realm of the greasy marketer/bussiness person, undoubtedly, a lower life form. For these we do need some form of written code and accountability. (imho)
cheers,
Frank
Software Engineer.
P.S:
--
Blessed is the man who, having nothing to say, abstains from giving in
words evidence of the fact.
-- George Eliot
and don't get me throwing tomatoes at the centre of your being!
what the heck was that?
cheers
yup, just acquired by Nortel. And you are right, Nortel currently leads in deployed bw.
correction, at least Nortel has an equivalent product on the market; at less bandwidth at the moment but continually increasing (drnd, should i have said this?). Others, i'm sure, are close to releasing something similar if they do not have it already. Cerent's produc upped the ante however.
cherrs,
First Cisco says that sonet is dead, now they are paying 6B for a sonet co.
It seems that is costing them more to get in the optical game than say Nortel to ge into the data game (Nortel paid about 6.5B to get with Bay.
What this says is that the competition is heating up. If you are not in the game with a product now, you will lose a lot of mindshare. Obviously, Nortel and Lucent and others soon to be assymilated are working on equivalent equipment.
For us Lusers, it means that bandwidth is getting cheaper, and thus closer to the home; stay tunned, youwill soon hear about sts1/oc3 interfaces for your puter (inside knowledge? maybe). There are already ATM cards!
Academically more complete; however, I still felt that there were some leaps in reasoning... maybe I am just an uninitiated one ;)
frank
-PULL over, Sir...
;)
-What? but you ARE just a kid!
-You will respect my authorithah! whack!
cheers
acctualy has to be Space Balls.
Now, THAT was a good...
...Ummm, Pizza, y're delicious.
you still believe in that capability?... ;)
I've got some beachfront property in Arizona, miles of sandy beach; interested?
I will not flame, just point out some troubling discrepancies on the American government and the general attitude of most Americans. What is, realy, the difference between China and Cuba? Yet the American govt is willing to bend over backwards in order to get a pice of the chinese market; giving only limmited protests over Chinas record. While the economic sanctions on Cuba, (and I don't like Castro or his regime) driven by some loud mouthed, hypocrite politicians and rich Cuban-Americans, keep driving down the lives of people in the island. The reason is, in summary, that Cuba offers little economic potential for the USA, except for the poor, displaced, little rich kids that want their palacess back.
;)
sorry, getting too political...I may want to work in the states some day
ANYWAY, back to the question. I say go for it, if you are realy moraly comfortable and careful. The more business opt to disregard politically motivated restrictions, the less they will become tools of the whims of the likes of Helms, and K^Hclan. Foreing policy is up to the politicians and diplomats.
He includes data from before the deregulation of the telecom industry. The old monopoly of AT&T did not provide an incentive to offer more bandwidth to the home customer; now, there are several new clecs and hundreds of regional and national ISPs laying infrastructure and offering cheaper connection rates.
Thus, if you only look at data after deregulation came into effect, the grouth of bandwith will be much more dramatic than Moores law.
cheers amigos
accross the USA would be hard to measure, but the biggest single link accross el continente belongs to QWest communications. They just lit up an OC-192 network, i think at 4 lamdas, expandable to 32 using Nortel equipment; that is, 40Gb/s expandable to 320Gb/s.
They had some neat adds stating that it would take 17 or something seconds to tx the whole lib of congress, including pictures, accross the US; i should know the details better, i work in nortel; however...
by the way, some trivia: did you know that more than 75% of internet trafic is carried over nortel equipment?
hasta luego, compadre.
and I don't mean the 80k reach...
What's the most home users get right now? cable, ADSL, etc. they are cheap, but they are also shared bandwidth (local loop or at the central office). There are some other access methods, like ATM, but they are not widely used (i think in New Brunswick, canada, eh!)
For a guarantied bandwidth, business pays big bucks! $800/mo for a T1 $2k/mo for a T3 (~50M), don't know for a SONET OC3 (155M) or OC12 (620M) but only the very big companies can afford/justify leasing that type of bandwidth...
I'll be happy when hook up a T3/DS3 to my basement gateway/firewall (or when i can afford one)