Ouch, you hurt my feelings Mr. Badman. I'm going to go to the corner and cry.
Maybe I do need moderation. Moderation from personal attacks by people who don't even know me. You shouldn't have any Idea who I am or what I am like, yet you have the ability to attack me personally. I'm astonished. Is this what flame truly is?
I'll be the first to admit that I do not have all the answers to the problems of the universe. Hell, anybody who thinks so probably doesn't have any answers at all. Honestly I can't tell you how to fix the problems with the Signal to Noise Ratio in/. I couldn't tell you how to keep people from acting immature. I don't know how to stop people from wanting to post "First Posts" or how to stop people from people from starting "M$ Rulez, Linux sux" flamebait. I do not exert that kind of power over people, nor would I ever want to. The fact of the matter is that people are going to act that way because they can. I guess I was hoping for something better. Some kind of system that didn't involve giving a small group of people power over a larger group to decide which posts are good and which ones aren't.
But I guess we should lie down and take it, because it is for the common good, and it won't ever be abused, will it?
My comments will probably do no good, but I feel not saying anything at all is worse.
But of course, I should welcome myself to the real world, because you said so right? It's because of your personal experiences right? They must outweigh mine because you have the gonads to stand up and attack me personally. That is much better than an intelligent comment, because only wimpy geeks ever have anything intelligent to say, right?.
And, apparantly, I'm Thomas Jefferson, even though my birth certificate says otherwise.
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Is it Weststar? We have Weststar in Kellogg, and it sucks the munchies.
I have heard the terms "Welcome to the Real World", or "This is Real Life", and it seems to me that those are said to "control the masses", so to speak. If there are mistakes in something, anything, we, as free-thinking individuals have the right to point them out and hopefully lead to some change. I hate to think of a world where if something is wrong, we just lie down and take it, spewing out catch-phrases like "that's the way it goes" or "Welcome to the Real World", instead of trying to change things for the good.
We, as a people, should strive for constant vigilance instead of complacency.
1)I don't trust people until they earn my trust, but that is a different story.
2)Even if you are correct in asserting that the moderators are bumping up more than bumping down, the fact of the matter is that this is new and "all eyes are on them". Simply put, the moderators aren't going to abuse their authority when they are actively thinking about it. I am sure that most of them want to do the right thing, and for a while, they will. The problem will occur in the future when all of us/.ers have become complacient with the new system. It is at that time when the moderator's biases will creep up into their subconciouses, and you will see a definite swing of the comments towards a certian viewpoint if you have your threshold set high.
I'm not saying that the moderators are evil and have nefarious agendas. What I am saying is when a small group of people have this kind of power over a large group of people, the tendancy is that the small powerful group will try and sway the opinions of the large group to fit their own opinions, whether or not they are the quote "better opinions". This won't happen in plain sight, but rather subconciously.
Yea, but it still isn't very fail safe. Moderators are supposed to, but who enforces that they will? Not to be down on the good moderators out there, but with all of the content on slashdot, who will take the time to make sure every article is rated fairly?
I'm under the impression that it doesn't take all of the moderators to "negatize" (couldn't think of a better word) a comment, just one. Sure other moderators could "positize" (I kinda like the sound of those two "words") the comment, but who would bother. I am also under the impression that the moderators only had a set amount of votes, so they wouldn't want to waste them one fixing someone else's mistakes, just making their own judgement. I'm not saying that they are all evil and would purposely force an agenda. I think that it has more to do with subconscious tendencies. It's kind of like a knee-jerk reaction of a Linux fan immediately hating someone who says Microsoft is good in the subject even if they haven't read the comment yet. That person will probably have an initial "This can't be good because it goes against what I believe in" reaction, whether they intended to or not.
I just can't see how having more moderators is going to make it better.
I'm not sure I really like the idea of this kind of moderation. I know it is all well and good to try and get rid of the AC "First Post" Fluff, but where does it end?
And I have heard the thing about changing the threshold to -100 or something like that, so you don't miss anything. But it still doesn't sit right with me because random people are the moderators.
No matter what anyone would like to think about their fellow human, people still have their weaknesses. Biases and Agendas will still probably creep up in the back of the backs of even the trustworthiest people's minds.
Now, even though most of the comments aren't really deleted. I don't like the thought of a random person putting a "rating" on my or anybody else's comments. Basically I don't like them saying that any one comment is better, or more important than any other comment. I think it is up to me to decide whether or not a comment is of quality or not.
The minute that there is a negative 1 or 2 or whatever placed on a comment, it automatically puts the thought in peoples minds that this comment is of lower quality or importance, that's if they even see it, because some people might not have their thresholds set down low enough.
There are definite biases here on/. Somebody might have a great comment about something that's included with Windows is better than Linux. They may have a great argument and have a well-written comment, but I would bet dollars to doughnuts that comments like that could potentially be set to a negative number, because of the biases of the random "moderators". That doesn't seem open, or free to myself. It seems the system that is in place is very judgmental towards outsiders and newbies.
If there was some way to have a system of moderation that was really impartial without a shadow of a doubt, then maybe I would be all for it, but until then, I am not going to like this system of moderation, no matter what anyone says.
I have a feeling that Intel is trying to get more hype going than anything else. From what I read about the PIII, it isn't going to perform anything greater, or anything worse than a PII. The only real performance gains you'll see starting out is the increased clock speed. Maybe SSE will become something, and maybe not, but starting out, I don't think it will really do anything.
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You had something intelligent to say? When did this happen? Must not have been recently.
Ouch, you hurt my feelings Mr. Badman. I'm going to go to the corner and cry.
/. I couldn't tell you how to keep people from acting immature. I don't know how to stop people from wanting to post "First Posts" or how to stop people from people from starting "M$ Rulez, Linux sux" flamebait. I do not exert that kind of power over people, nor would I ever want to. The fact of the matter is that people are going to act that way because they can. I guess I was hoping for something better. Some kind of system that didn't involve giving a small group of people power over a larger group to decide which posts are good and which ones aren't.
Maybe I do need moderation. Moderation from personal attacks by people who don't even know me. You shouldn't have any Idea who I am or what I am like, yet you have the ability to attack me personally. I'm astonished. Is this what flame truly is?
I'll be the first to admit that I do not have all the answers to the problems of the universe. Hell, anybody who thinks so probably doesn't have any answers at all. Honestly I can't tell you how to fix the problems with the Signal to Noise Ratio in
But I guess we should lie down and take it, because it is for the common good, and it won't ever be abused, will it?
My comments will probably do no good, but I feel not saying anything at all is worse.
But of course, I should welcome myself to the real world, because you said so right? It's because of your personal experiences right? They must outweigh mine because you have the gonads to stand up and attack me personally. That is much better than an intelligent comment, because only wimpy geeks ever have anything intelligent to say, right?.
And, apparantly, I'm Thomas Jefferson, even though my birth certificate says otherwise.
Is it Weststar? We have Weststar in Kellogg, and it sucks the munchies.
I have heard the terms "Welcome to the Real World", or "This is Real Life", and it seems to me that those are said to "control the masses", so to speak. If there are mistakes in something, anything, we, as free-thinking individuals have the right to point them out and hopefully lead to some change. I hate to think of a world where if something is wrong, we just lie down and take it, spewing out catch-phrases like "that's the way it goes" or "Welcome to the Real World", instead of trying to change things for the good.
We, as a people, should strive for constant vigilance instead of complacency.
1)I don't trust people until they earn my trust, but that is a different story.
/.ers have become complacient with the new system. It is at that time when the moderator's biases will creep up into their subconciouses, and you will see a definite swing of the comments towards a certian viewpoint if you have your threshold set high.
2)Even if you are correct in asserting that the moderators are bumping up more than bumping down, the fact of the matter is that this is new and "all eyes are on them". Simply put, the moderators aren't going to abuse their authority when they are actively thinking about it. I am sure that most of them want to do the right thing, and for a while, they will. The problem will occur in the future when all of us
I'm not saying that the moderators are evil and have nefarious agendas. What I am saying is when a small group of people have this kind of power over a large group of people, the tendancy is that the small powerful group will try and sway the opinions of the large group to fit their own opinions, whether or not they are the quote "better opinions". This won't happen in plain sight, but rather subconciously.
Yea, but it still isn't very fail safe. Moderators are supposed to, but who enforces that they will? Not to be down on the good moderators out there, but with all of the content on slashdot, who will take the time to make sure every article is rated fairly?
I'm under the impression that it doesn't take all of the moderators to "negatize" (couldn't think of a better word) a comment, just one. Sure other moderators could "positize" (I kinda like the sound of those two "words") the comment, but who would bother. I am also under the impression that the moderators only had a set amount of votes, so they wouldn't want to waste them one fixing someone else's mistakes, just making their own judgement. I'm not saying that they are all evil and would purposely force an agenda. I think that it has more to do with subconscious tendencies. It's kind of like a knee-jerk reaction of a Linux fan immediately hating someone who says Microsoft is good in the subject even if they haven't read the comment yet. That person will probably have an initial "This can't be good because it goes against what I believe in" reaction, whether they intended to or not.
I just can't see how having more moderators is going to make it better.
I'm not sure I really like the idea of this kind of moderation. I know it is all well and good to try and get rid of the AC "First Post" Fluff, but where does it end?
/. Somebody might have a great comment about something that's included with Windows is better than Linux. They may have a great argument and have a well-written comment, but I would bet dollars to doughnuts that comments like that could potentially be set to a negative number, because of the biases of the random "moderators". That doesn't seem open, or free to myself. It seems the system that is in place is very judgmental towards outsiders and newbies.
And I have heard the thing about changing the threshold to -100 or something like that, so you don't miss anything. But it still doesn't sit right with me because random people are the moderators.
No matter what anyone would like to think about their fellow human, people still have their weaknesses. Biases and Agendas will still probably creep up in the back of the backs of even the trustworthiest people's minds.
Now, even though most of the comments aren't really deleted. I don't like the thought of a random person putting a "rating" on my or anybody else's comments. Basically I don't like them saying that any one comment is better, or more important than any other comment. I think it is up to me to decide whether or not a comment is of quality or not.
The minute that there is a negative 1 or 2 or whatever placed on a comment, it automatically puts the thought in peoples minds that this comment is of lower quality or importance, that's if they even see it, because some people might not have their thresholds set down low enough.
There are definite biases here on
If there was some way to have a system of moderation that was really impartial without a shadow of a doubt, then maybe I would be all for it, but until then, I am not going to like this system of moderation, no matter what anyone says.
I agree, Pico is just so nice.
I have a feeling that Intel is trying to get more hype going than anything else. From what I read about the PIII, it isn't going to perform anything greater, or anything worse than a PII. The only real performance gains you'll see starting out is the increased clock speed. Maybe SSE will become something, and maybe not, but starting out, I don't think it will really do anything.