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Intel Issues Gag Order on Pentium III Speed
Matthew Tebbens wrote
in to tell us that Intel has
gagged vendors
from saying how fast the new P3 processors really are and the
Preview Day in San Jose on Wed. What are they hiding? We
all know that its performance sucks on most stuff.
I see two possibilities here. One : Its performance REALLY REALLY sucks, so bad that intel is embarassed. Two : The performance is GREAT, better than previously reported, and they want to wow everyone on the release day. I guess there's a third... they're intentionally creating more hype, and the chip will perform exactly as expected.
Wow, the TGS spokespeople must have some really brown faces by now. Those are some pretty unbelievable things to say like the claim that there hasn't been a viable platform for doing 3D before the P-III ....
I guess the fact that I've been using Lightwave 3D on this AMD K6-2 chip has just been part of my imagination.
Well, Dragon has reported that training time for NaturallySpeaking goes from a half hour with ordinary pentiums down to 2-3 minutes on a P3. If you think that "sucks" then you're just jealous. :)
How do they get everyone to start spouting off Intel promotional taglines:
The added speed and 70 new instructions make 3D games come alive and voice recognition sing.
Those are the reporters words.
The Internet has instilled in us all a severe lack of objectivity. Here everyone gets to be right and no one has to prove it.
SEE, I'm right too! Of course, I prefer PPC, so I can prove it.
Microsoft has similar gag orders on its products, but then you don't really buy MS stuff, you just license it.
If a vendor purchases a chip, it should be his property, and he can say anything he likes about it.
Anyone know different?
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you really need to lay off the drugs.... no sane person should belive that... not even the ppl i know who froth at the mouth and scream that a p-200 will kick the ass of a k6-2 400....
Nick
training time for NaturallySpeaking goes from a half hour with ordinary pentiums down to 2-3 minutes on a P3.
I seriously doubt this. You are talking about building a database, not about the computer "learning" faster. It takes repitition. Now, if they made their code better, that's another story. 2-3 min is almost speaker independent and would require a different solution, not necessarily a different processor.
Damn, I was using that program five years ago on an Amiga. No viable platform for doing 3d my ass! It may have been slow, but it worked great.
What is the training time on a Pentium Pro? How about a PII 450? How about a Xeon 450?
Simply looking at Pentium vs. PIII performance doesn't tell us anything very useful since the current market is selling PIIs and the like, not P5s.
I'm a hardcore Mac guy but I have to laugh at Motorial, IBM and Apple. Granted the PowerPC is a better chip technically, the PowerPC has yet to prove that it has more oomph than a Pentium. Remember when the first PowerMacs came out and the claim was that the Pentium would underperform the PowerPC. Well, not yet. My G3 is fast, but so is my PC. My PC is up right there with my Mac (granted that PhotoShop on my 300Mhz Mac SMOKEs my 333P2). Intel has been able to extend the life span of the Pentium line much longer than anyone had anticipated. I don't think that Intel going anywhere too soon. I got to see a P3 demo and it screams. Intel wants Hype, and lots of Money!
Can you say "hype" poor consumer? Can you say that the P3 will cost $1500-$2000? Can you pay for that? I know that I don't have tons of cash to throw away on a >8% increase in speed. But I do have enough for an AMD K7. Infact I have enough for two now that I feel confident that I don't have to buy an Intel chip to get performance. Can you say "performance" K7? I knew you could. And with estimates of it costing $325-$375 when released. I think I'll finally have enough to go SMP. I'm sick of paying out the ass for something that will decrease in value by half 3months after I take it out of the box.
Wrong. The 400 K6-III is selling for about $280 and the 450 around $425. The Pentium III 450 will be about $500, the 500 around $625, the 550 around $700 and the 600 around... (whoops forgot about the gag order...)
Half an hour with an "ordinary Pentium" - you mean like an old 75MHz non-MMX Pentium?
P3 is to the P2 like the G4 is to the G3. The P3 adds KNI and the G4 adds altivec and not much else. It's the same deal-you need apps that use them in order to get a speed advantage.
P3-500 runs for about $708 -TODAY- the price will of course drop after they are OFFICIALLY released. Not $1500-2000, pull your head out of whatever orifice it currently resides in.
The P2-450 came out at the same price
the P2-400 came out at the same price
and whats this? The K7-500 will ALSO come out around the $600 price zone. So infact, if you have enough money for a K7, you do have enough money for a P3. Your estimates are directly out of your ass. Considering the K6-3-450 is going to be around $420 currently, the K7 is not going to come out cheaper than its lesser brother. Just because your sick of PAYING out your ass doesn't mean you should TALK out of it on here. STFU.
I give AMD the best of luck, so far they have but nibbled at Intels market share. And by NO means carry the same name recognition as Intel. Go read some articles, AMD is to Intel what Hyaundi is to Mercedes.
Where the hell are you people getting your numbers for prices? The P3 500 will cost ~$600. Not $1000, not $1500, and not $2000. The only thing I can think that you're talking about is the Xeon.
Maybe I'm not such a geek.. but I know their speed will really be stunning.. contrary to what we (an I say we) axpected it to be.. Just wait till the 2 qtr ... yikes.. don't buy anything yet.. anywayz... I do believe MIPS is the real comparison factor.. but the 70 inst-set comes to harden pt's grip on floating points, soemthing that always comes off as an improvement in graphical computatons...
Mais ca c'est m'idée!
LONG LIVE INTEL AND MICROSOFT!!!!
As far as I'm concerned that's a bad omen.
I work for one of the game developers who showed off the P3 last week, and this is the FIRST I've heard of a "gag order." If one really does exist, that's news to me. Thus, I'm initially suspicious about this whole deal.
I've had a Katmai/P3 chip in my machine since last October or so, but I'm not the one doing graphics optimizations. From my usual benchmark ("Rebuild All" on a big project), it definitely feels faster than the P2-350 I used to have.
Next, a number (most?) of the P3s around the office are early beta-revision P3s, where a number of instructions do NOT exist in silicon. DirectX 6.1 bombs out, as it tries to use them. Would a benchmark on such beta silicon be truthful? I think not, and until we have any form of release silicon, I won't give out any hard numbers on speedup. "Gag order" or not.
[Staying as an AC for now.]
But not very realistic, given their boneheaded business moves of late. Uh, I mean of always.
But doesn't the AMD K6-2 have 70 special 3d instructions (aka 3D-Now). Intel is sucking hind tit again...hell AMD just released the K6-3...more over the K6-2 450 kicked the PIII 550 already, as we all know.
Intel's already demo'd >900 Mhz. Get with the program.
I think Naturally Speaking also goes down from 30 minutes to about 3 on a Pentium II. They compared apples(pentiums) and oranges(pent ii/iii) and you fell for it.
yeah but you'd really want them for altivec and just wait for the apps to support it. Same thing on the pc side-the apps and games will come
You are incorrect
Voice recognition, eh?
Bill Gates has been big on voice recognition for some time now. He really wants it to be the next big thing. Since he didn't have a clue when he improperly speculated the significance of the Internet, he is hoping that one day he will be right, and he is hoping voice recognition integrated into the OS will be it.
Could this be another Wintel thing? I would guess it to be just that. Why else would Intel give a flying rats ass about voice recognition? That's just a little too random for me.
Well they wanted you to think that too, but THEY meant old pent p5 technology
Well one thing is for sure when they release the new pIII the price on the pII's will come down. We know that the pII's are good so why worry. Intel is known for it's quality so if it does suck they will improve so STOP THE HYPE!!!
Yeah I agree. Like Mickeysoft software makes your computer "faster and more reliable."
The best thing to do with people like this is to ignore their threads. All they want is attention, the worst thing to do is to give it to them, 'cause then they just go and do it again. Idiots.
:P Dooh! Hmmm... what does that make me?
Hey, wait a minute, I'm not ignoring him now am I?
Well I have no debate on AMD sucking, but I draw the line at Linux. Linux rocks man. Microsoft is going for a fall and very soon. Why do you think major companies like Compaq are including Linux with their new systems? Linux is free, Linux rocks. End of story.
you would take a half hour to say all the shit anyway to where it can understand it...I have tried the program.
OTOH I like the assembly theory...its probably right, I know one of the guys who worked for dragon, he probably tried to use basic in the core recognition system.
I didn't realize that till about 5 seconds after I hit the submit button =P
I'd like to see Mesa take advantage of some of the newer instructions sets for KNI, and/or others... I hate to admit it, but my NT box kicks my slackware box's ass all over town when doing openGL, and being a linux programmer who programs openGL stuff, this makes me wanna cry...
INTEL sucks - this is out of discussion MICROSOFT won't suck until I'll be able to purchase my "free" copy of M$ software for 10$ LINUX sucks as I have to pay 60$ to get a decent penguin's release AMD... boh?
OK try this one on for size, does the $700 PIII do SMP? Or will he have to buy a $1500 server version. The $600 K7 WILL do smp.
So perhaps he had his head a little futher out of his ass than you did?
Actually, voice recognition is already bundled with Corel WP (dragon) and Lotus (viavoice) so MS isn't in the game yet
Would you believe that Carmack, one of the greatest low level programmers in the world raved about this chip? But you guys are all smarter than him, aren't you?
Hardware trangle setup qualifies
Seems like you've got everything you need for a 3D Window Manager now. Put some thought into how one of those should work and implement it.
Pentium II/III/Pro all do SMP. I'm running dual
modified Celerons as we speak (basically a PII).
K7 will also do SMP, assuming motherboards and chipsets will be made to support it.
K7 will probably be cheaper than equivalent clock PIII, but it may not. It will be NOT be a cheap chip (at first). Expect it to be $600-$700.
Actually, They know the speed will be decreased by the ammount of traffic the PSN generates from companies tracking your internet follies... BOYCOTT BOYCOTT!! http://www.bigbrotherinside.com/ yes.. I use fully qualified URL's everone should read the RFC's... arrrggghhh (bangs head on wall in disgust)
The PIII sounds like a bit of a wet blanket. It should be at least twice as fast as it's predecessor. :-(
Maybe Alpha is needed now, or SMP.
Sure, as a OEM you can say whatever you want, but then come Monday your shipment of P3 chips might not show up.
Just call Intergraphs legal team about Intel.
The reason is that in order to purchase a P3 prior to its release date you are required to agree to an NDA which says various things like no advertising of speeds or sales prior to release.
*gag*
I'd love to buy an alpha, yeah, but as far as I
:)
knew it cost rather a lot to buy one.....
Hell, if it cost similar to a p2 to get an alpha
at similar performance, i'd like to buy one.
any thoughts on this?
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It's not hard to figure out people.
This year is 1999, upside down its 6661.
So obviously the new P3's will also have the
sign of the devil, 666 MHz
need I say more?
PIII is being released in a 450MHz and 500MHz CPU module. In comparison to the PII, the 450 isn't providing any massive boosts, but the 500 is completely loaded. Prices for the 500 I believe are about $784 per CPU module.
Overclocking? Lots of potential.
What kills me is that G3 stands for Generation 3 or that it's a 3rd gen PPC processor. How the hell is a G4 gonna be fourth generation if it's just a G3 with more instructions and crap on it? I mean, if (i could be wrong with my numbers but for arguments sake) a G3 is a 704, shouldn't a G4 be a 804 or something like that?
Intel was playing the sequel game fairly until the Pentium III. They should have just called it the Katmai like originally planned. Like they call the Xeon a Xeon, calling the Katmai a Katmai would have made the distinction without really making the PII-PIII sequel thing seem so damn wrong. I am not a PPC or Intel zombie, but I am still pist about Apple not providing specs to Be, Inc. to make BeOS run on G3 machines. STUPID APPLE! BAD APPLE! (one bad apple....)
General purpose processors stink big time (even the Alpha does) when looking at doing heavy 3D work. Why not continue using the dedicated DSP processors working in parallel instead. This is exactly what the big graphics card companies are doing now and have been doing for the past few years. I benchmarked a Xeon SMP box running a typical low-end 2D/3D gaming card vs. a Pentium 100 running a mid-range OpenGL graphics card using a dedicated Evans & Sutherland 1000 chip. The card retailed around $1000 at the time (this was about 6 months ago). The Pentium system blew away the Xeon. It was at least twice as fast. So even if you doubled the Xeons clock rate to around 800mhz each, you would still be better off using the deicated and specialized hardware that handles the 3D operations natively.
Intel will not have caught up to the level of the mighty VAX until one of their CPUs can solve nontrivial polynomial equations with a single instruction.
and the speed's nothing to get overly excited about. No matter what Intel says, the P3 is jsut a P2 with more instructions- same archtecture, same core, just more registers and more instructions. Which is all well and good if the extra instructions are really usefull.
Is the P3's KNI useful? Well, kind of. There's no denying that using KNI you can speed up some kinds of floating point math (and only floating point- KNI doesn't do int). However, the speed increase is only really evident when doing a demo that heavily relies on that kind of math. When KNI is only a part of a much larger app (such as a game), which not only does 3D math but also lots of custom drawing, sound, AI, input processing, the speed increase is pretty much lost in the shuffle.
So, in summary: My pre-release Katmai400 (or P3 as they're now called) is EXACTLY as fast as a P2-400. Don't anybody get too excited, it's just the P2 repackaged.
It's definitely not an inherent X thing that makes games on X slow. In fact, Quake is faster in X than on the console for me. And look at SGI. They do their graphics in X. Are you going to suggest that they are not fast?
Now, what we need is a good OpenGL infrastructure (being worked on by Precision Insight) and good drivers. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much interest from the hardware companies in releasing either specs or drivers.
Um, ok.. That line convinced me to get one. .. .. NOT.
Show me the numbers.
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
You are gravely mistaken, the G4 also will sport a revamped FPU, and other internal architecture changes, like 128 bit data paths, and support for SMP.
The G4 is to G3 what PPro was to P54c.
LK
Posted by D. Black:
I think it's more like Intel needs *something* to sell processors for. Let's face it folks: you don't need much more than a P-166 to use MSIE, Word, and Eudora. This is what is causing the rise of the sub-$1K computer (which is dominated by AMD, not Intel). Unless there's a new gadget or nifftiness, Intel's pretty much screwed. So they do nice things like develop "software" DVD decoders and tell people that they need new processors so they can talk to their computers, even though voice recognition isn't even close to being acceptable yet.
On another note, has anyone noticed that Hotmail has slowed to a crawl? Microsoft must have moved it from Solaris to NT. I guess I'll just have to move my spambox to Yahoo mail or something.
Posted by D. Black:
Realistically, how much more bloated can Win2000 (in terms of processor requirements) be than Win98? Remember that 2000 is now no longer based on the NT kernel, but on the 98/95/DOS kernel. Unless Microsoft decides to "integrate" MS Office and/or voice rec, I doubt it's going to be any more interesting than the 98 "upgrade" from 95. Besides, even if it is bloated, the price points for processors will be such by then that PII 450s will be in the sub$1K range because Intel is spending $300 Million to tell us that the PIII is oh-so-much better than the PII, which puts the PII into the Pentium category when the Pentium MMX came out. And I tend to doubt that even Microsoft can out-bloat a PII-450 without doing some really really funky stuff in the next two years. A PII 450, even when PIII 700s are out is still a very fast chip. Especially when all you want to run is Word, MSIE, and Eudora. And Intel can't make money on sub$1k computers. At least not enough to pay for a $300 million advertising budget.
dud you are making some pretty hardcore assumptions here.
first off the reason thoes demos "scream" is that they take advantage of a new set of instructions. These instructions are designed for multimedia work and do infact accelerate certain tasks when software is written to take advantage of them.
Similarly in the G4 there is a new peice of technology (altivec) which does very similar things, also requireing software to take advantage of it.
The difference is that altivec is capable (theoreticaly anyway) of a FAR greater increase in processing power than KNI (the instructions in the PIII). I think you are being a little bit premature with your assumptions about the G4.
Also, by this time next year, we should be seeing "multi-core" G4's with efectively 2 or 4 chips on a single processor, allowing for some serious speed. meanwhile you can expect the pentium arhitecture to begin topping out in its ability to increase in speed... youll notice that the frequency at which intell releases faster chips has decreased over the past few years... you wont see another substancial revoluton from intel untill IA-64 becomes available.
in addition I would encourage you to look at these chips from a price performace perspective. despite a smaller overall market and therefore smaller volumes of chips the G3 is substancialy cheaper than the pentium II despite its exceptional performace.
"In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson
Sheesh.
Hey, lets load our CISC with more CRAP!
Graphics boards actually do do the geometry onboard, just not the lowend consumer grade cards.
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Looking at the Chipmerchant price list I see that the PII 450 is $547 and the PIII 450 is $550, a whopping $3 difference. In typical Intel fashion, if you go for the PIII 500 you pay $755
You see, MacOS cripples PPC performance. People have done off the cuff performance comparisons between PII's and G3's using Red Hat and Linux PPC. Integer performance is about on a par with the PII, floating point is faster on the G3.
You really can't do side by sides using Windows and MacOS on these processors- it's comparing apples and oranges (no pun intended).
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
But FP performance is really only an issue if you're doing "Pentium" tricks- issuing an FP instruction and being able to out of order execute one or more integer ops while the FP unit was chugging on the request. More often than not, you only need these sorts of tricks on the rendering engine code- where 3DNow! has already been proven to shine over a stock PII at the same clock speed.
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That article was some of the most disgusting, mindless uncritical hype I have ever read on the web. It makes all those "Is your computer ready for Windows 2000?" articles look positively objective by comparison. The "journalist" who wrote that drivel even tried to make Intel refusing to say what hardware their demos were running on into a plus-feature. This is a new low for computer journalism.
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"We are all geniuses when we dream"
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*ahems* But then again, these days, exotic forms of intercourse are quite prevelant, aren't they?
Yeah, but then again, considering the price of one of those suckers, one wonders if there isn't a "don't over use or you might go blind" warning label on the stick.
( a totally uncalled for post, but bored and well, if you really are waiting half an hour to an hour to have your computer learn your voice and commands, then well.. who knows. )
( yeah, that was uncalled for either. But some might even find it funny. )
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Shortly following the announcement and release of the AMY-3X, the current giant in the silicone idustry, Intehl ordered the gagging of all representatives and companies which sold or used their special P3 implants. The industry is in an uproar over this. Not just for free speach, but mainly because by god, that's was what they wanted to do at home.
The AMY hasn't made any comments on their competitor's latest move, they are glad that they hadn't gone so far as to gag their employees. That is something that they thankfully do on their own.
Compounded with their recent legal complications involving the monopolizing of the silicone hardware industry and the recently disovered peeping function of their P3, Intehl is definitely in hot water... no, not the gushing fun kind.. but more like the "it scorched my balls you @#$#%!" kind.
In either case, the public, valued consumers of their silcone products and implants, are in a tizzy of the recent turn of events. In random interviews conducted just today, we can see that the opinions are somewhat inconclusive:
ConsumerA: I think the new P3 rocks! My girlfriend is into this sort of thing and well.. I think it really helps us get work done, you know, especially how it helps to speed up the work involved with curves and modeling. I mean.. responsive hands on work of this kind was just not possible before a P3!
ConsumerB: Well, all I can say is that if Intehl has to gag people, I want out. Maybe Amy is the way for me to go. I'm just not that kind of girl, you know? I mean.. sure, I want to be better endowed and get the faster and harder hitting Knky instruction sets.. but it's just all too expensive. I think Amy-3X with its lower price and good reviews will please me alot more in the long run. Besides, I don't like that gag reflex.
ConsumerC: P3? Like.. what's that? *listens* Oh!! Yeah! I completely dig that! I mean.. I'm like using the P2 now and I get complete satisfaction every time, ya know? But I think the P3 will be the real pleaser for me.. I mean.. it takes alot of.. *listens again* Oh what? No way..! Damn.. where can I get my p3? Cuts down the oral dicktate time from 30min to 2-3mins? Hell, I'd pay $2k for that!
ConsumerD: I don't know.. I mean.. where I come from, an 88 was good enough, you know what I mean? Didn't need all this Knky instruction sets and 3Xnow technology. I mean.. when our net-friends told us bout 369 and 369, we were shocked! I mean.. who needed all that extra stuff? It was just for getting work done, right? Well with all this P2 and P3 stuff going on, it's just too strange for me. I like to keep it simple.. one on the bottom and one on top. None of this dual and quad setups.. I mean.. that's just SICK!! I..
Anyways, as we can see, the opinions are varied and well, to be quite honest, I don't know myself. I mean.. I don't mind dualing my systems, if you get my drift. But apparently the costs are somewhat high and alot of people are saying to just wait.
But if you've got the money to go out and grab it, guess that's your kind of system.
This roving reporter is signing off.
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Let me guess, you saw a video produced by MicroSoft that demonstrated this speedup?
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It's a well known fact that Intel offers the services of their assembly wizards in order to create these outstanding claims of increased performance. Doesn't anyone remember when they were pushing MMX and quoting best case Photoshop filter speedups after their assembly team went to work on it?
So, if this is an accurate statement, it probably means that the original code was not very efficient, not that the processor is somehow magically faster. I'm sure similar speed boosts
could be generated if AMD went around with
assembly guys optimizing stuff for 3D-Now!.
I wonder how useful these new instructions really
are. It seems like less and less people spend
the effort to optimize code to this level. Unless
the compiler does it for them the popular solution seems to be more memory/larger disk space/more expensive processor.
I don't know... everytime I see PIII I keep reading it as "Pill".
I suppose this means that the K6-III can be read as K-Bill? Is that how much you have to pay for one? Or drop the "6" and it becomes "Kill".
And all this before the first beer.
Never attribute to stupidity what can be construed as a monopoly preservation tactic.
> "There was no way to do this kind of operation reasonably before the PIII," Staiger said.
So an extra 10-33% makes it "reasonable"? C'mon.
> Graphics programs are clearly the biggest beneficiaries of the PIII's prowess, analysts said.
Choice word "prowess". Which analysts said what?
> The added speed and 70 new instructions make 3D games come alive and voice recognition sing.
Now this hyperbole is getting ridiculous.
Intel must put out pretty good lunches and drinks sessions to attract this sort of "objectivity" in journalism.
-t. (should've become a tech journo)
Oh, never mind.
...Nothing interesting here. Just move along...
I'm sick of seeing all these reviews and statements about the over-hype of the P3. The only hype I've seen is generated by the press saying how it's overhyped, or how it's not that great. Anyone who believed that the P3 would greatly enhance 3D didn' do their research on the instructions that have been added. The added instructions to help with 3D to some extent, but they are more geared toward speeding up specific algorithms, like the kind used in decoding and encoding video and voice recognition. In short, the P3 is offering the same type of idea as multiple processors: your computer won't necessarily be faster, but it will be able to handle more compicated calculations at one time. Thus, since the overall speed increase is minimal and mostly due to clock speed increase, and since NOBODY seems to develop the sorts of multimedia apps that would take advantage of these for linux, no linux user would benefit from a P3 over a P2. End of story.
He said, "You'll be able to tell your grandchildren that you helped assemble the first NT supercomputer," and I cringed.
We aren't really surprised by this are we?
PeterT
First, let me say I'm clueless when it comes to 3d graphics.
:)
But I have to wonder:
If the graphics calcs are parallelizable (and I thing that solving simultaneous equations is) then why not use a SMP farm as an "accelerator"? How about a large number of 486s or older 586 cores on the same chip or the same board? They should be able to pack these quite nicely these days.
Since most of the hype is around graphics (ie. solving equations) why not just parallelize the damn thing? Any reason other than having to rewrite code so that it's parallelizable? For inherently parallelizable math code this shouldn't be too hard, is it?
I know there has to be a good (technical) reason for the course vendors are taking, and someone here should be able to enlighten me
Mesa on 3DFX runs on top of Glide anyway, so if you can get Glide running with SLI... there ya go.
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One positive I see coming out of this upcoming market blitz is totally unrelated to the actual clock or benchmark speeds of the Pentium 3 whatsoever...
The price of top end Pentium II's will plummet, giving me a buying opportunity for "almost as much power as a P///"...
Then I can wait it out for Merced.
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This is a joke, right? Either that or a misprint. I mean, if they are comparing it to a "normal" pentium (MAX 166MHz I think), then they are obviously missing anything produced in the later half of the 1990s. This misses the MMX (MAX 233MHz), the Pentium IIs, and lets not forget the Celeron processors. Initial figures only have the P3 comming at ~7% higher on 3DMARKs than my Celeron (300A oc'ed to 450). Hardly anything to write home about. and certainly not worth the $1000+ markup in price for a P3. Of course I could talk for days about how MegaHertz (cycles per second) isn't worth the value that the industry tries to put on it. MIPS is the figure that counts.
My point was, that it's actually really dificult to compare any 2 CPUs. When you jump arcatectures i.e. P2 -> P3, you can't compare MHz. MIPS seems to be the best that I've seen, of course, what we really need is a standard Turing test to calculate minutes to complete specific tests.
I have a feeling that Intel is trying to get more hype going than anything else. From what I read about the PIII, it isn't going to perform anything greater, or anything worse than a PII. The only real performance gains you'll see starting out is the increased clock speed. Maybe SSE will become something, and maybe not, but starting out, I don't think it will really do anything.
If your main focus is 3D gaming, then [the PIII] is going to be worth the investment...
Uh, so I should really pay $700 extra for a chip that does what should have been done in the 3D accelerator board in the first place?
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...that the only ones being specifically gagged were the software makers. you see, their programs ran faster. much faster. and what does that best? prototype hardware! that is, i think intel took a bunch of the very best p3's they've made yet, ones that may clock in at >600, maybe put them on a 133mhz bus (if they have a vaguely functional camino yet) and cooled them way down.
if the software makers can't comment, then they can't tell you that what you saw ain't gonna happen on anything you can buy any time soon.
or i may be wrong, and they are just being perverse.