Really? I played video games constantly when I was young (for hours and hours). No behavior change at all. That's anecdotal evidence, but so is his. There's really no good study that has been performed as of yet, as far as I know.
Not interacting with the real world and with real people for such huge chunks of time will have effects, at any age (see adults and Facebook).
Some people don't even care about the "real world." It's boring to them.
Very few ads give objetive info about the product. For a car advert, you'll get ideas of luxury, speed, "funny feeling", but almost no real dada. Many ads are for products already know. Do you think I need to be reminded that Volkswagen sells cars or that I do not know what Coca-cola is=.
They just remind you of the product again and again until they finally get up and buy it. If they didn't want it, then they wouldn't buy it. If they didn't do any research, then that is their own fault.
Maybe you are being a little too optimistic about the ability of people (not only children) to discriminate between reality and fiction?
I don't see any hard evidence or studies conducted on a majority of people to prove me otherwise (which doesn't make me correct). Especially for something like "do you believe that video games are reality?" I doubt there would be very many people who answer "yes," even children.
Haven't you ever heard the saying that it takes 10 positive statements to outweigh 1 negative?
That depends on the person. And that's for insults, not fictional media. If someone tells a child that two plus two is five, I doubt that you'd need to tell them that it is four ten times.
but I think the assertion that it only affects a small percentage of people is naive.
Based on what? Well, you did say "I think," like I meant to do. So I guess they are mere opinions until someone proves either one.
Is it worth studying?
I don't see why not. It will be awfully difficult to do it correctly, and I personally don't seem them ever correlation real-life violence or long-term aggression to mere entertainment.
Personally, I'd answer "A." That doesn't involve mindlessly banning things for no legitimate reason, though. Especially things that have no good evidence to back them up, or things that only happen in an abysmally small number of cases. That's my opinion.
Really? I was under the impression that many of them think that they are just games. Maybe not, but it is up to them to disprove me. Otherwise, they're just making baseless assumptions and stating that people should be scared of these "effects" that happen to some people without actually backing themselves up. The burden of proof is on them.
Its impossible to have a healthy society which actively teaches un-natural violence and killing is fun, easy
My point is that the effects appear to be either nonexistent or incredibly small. Temporary aggression, maybe, but many people seem to be exaggerating the situation greatly. I'm not worried about people being desensitized because of video games (although I'd suspect that many people would still be afraid if such a thing really happened to them), if that even happens. They still hold their beliefs, unless they're one of the few people I mentioned. Nothing comes of it.
But, this research is atempting to show that it gets 'worse' when a child is exposed to certain video games.
But that's just it. It fails to do even that. Where are the real-world examples that demonstrate this accurately? It would be difficult to get them, yes, but until they have them, I'm not inclined to believe what they are trying to say. They are applying a few guesses and studies to the real world, and it simply doesn't work that way, as far as I know.
What do you mean? I disagree with it because there's not enough evidence to support it. Statistical evidence, for instance. No real link has been drawn between violent media and actual, real-world violence. A few people are not enough reason to censor/ban something as far as I'm concerned.
It is highly ironic that most of the folks here that are weighing in on this topic are Asperger victims who have a tough enough time with empathy as it is.
How so? "This video game that you're playing right now isn't real. It is mere fiction. If you try to emulate the game, it will not work and such actions will have dire consequences." Something along those lines. Likely more in-depth, of course, but really, it isn't that difficult for a decent parent to do.
But that happens all the time, regardless of whether or not someone plays video games and the like. But again, it is nothing to really be alarmed about as far as I'm concerned. Certainly not a good enough reason for a ban.
Now consider how great of an effect that has on most children: seemingly almost none. Temporary aggressive thoughts, perhaps, but it doesn't go far beyond that in most cases. Crime statistics simply are not there. Nor are there enough violent children to support such a theory, as far as I know.
And how many children actually become violent in real life because of this? Based on statistical evidence that I've seen, not many at all. The most some studies have been able to do is correlate temporary aggressive thoughts with violent entertainment. But, as far as I know, that was it.
Every second they spend "playing" a socially destructive role is a second wasted where their mind is not focused on making positive contributions to their environment.
The same could be said about just about every hobby.
The problem is games and movies tend to glorify violence and justify it.
Which, as they know the game is not real, will not affect them much, if at all. Again, no statistical evidence backs this up, as far as I know. Also, none that I know of has been able to accurately correlate anything beyond temporary aggressive thoughts with fictional violent entertainment.
I'm all for limiting their sale to minors, just like porn and liquor can't be sold to them.
None of those limitations make sense to me simply because they're unknowns.
Yes, and many of them likely realize that they are not applicable. Many know that they do not want to hurt others in that way. Supposedly. According to statistics, anyway. We don't see too many children trying to apply violent video game lessons to real life, as far as I know.
I don't think adults are more logical thinkers than kids or more immune to it necessarily, they just have more experience and recognition/fear of some type of consequences.
I agree, and that is why they should help the children whenever possible.
According to him, yes. But I'm having trouble believing that someone, even a child, can have those tendencies instilled within them merely by watching cartoons that have comedic value. Especially since there's no hard evidence that states that that actually was the true cause. Perhaps he changed merely because he didn't want anymore of his hobbies banned, or something such as that.
I suppose that no one did. However, based on statistical evidence, it does not have much of an effect on them at all. Perhaps some temporarily aggressive thoughts, but it almost always never goes beyond that.
Because we don't learn primarily through word of mouth instruction, but by example and imitation.
Primarily or not, it's not that difficult to instill the idea that fictional pieces of entertainment are fictional in someone's mind. I've personally never had a problem with realizing that.
Yes, it is. But, I just don't see how someone, even a child, could believe that something so obviously fictional is reality. I doubt even more that something 'terrible' would happen even if they did (but that claim has more statistical evidence to back it up).
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Really? I played video games constantly when I was young (for hours and hours). No behavior change at all. That's anecdotal evidence, but so is his. There's really no good study that has been performed as of yet, as far as I know.
Not interacting with the real world and with real people for such huge chunks of time will have effects, at any age (see adults and Facebook).
Some people don't even care about the "real world." It's boring to them.
Because the person wants to buy the product for one reason or another.
Very few ads give objetive info about the product. For a car advert, you'll get ideas of luxury, speed, "funny feeling", but almost no real dada.
Many ads are for products already know. Do you think I need to be reminded that Volkswagen sells cars or that I do not know what Coca-cola is=.
They just remind you of the product again and again until they finally get up and buy it. If they didn't want it, then they wouldn't buy it. If they didn't do any research, then that is their own fault.
Maybe you are being a little too optimistic about the ability of people (not only children) to discriminate between reality and fiction?
I don't see any hard evidence or studies conducted on a majority of people to prove me otherwise (which doesn't make me correct). Especially for something like "do you believe that video games are reality?" I doubt there would be very many people who answer "yes," even children.
No, but it's better than stating it as a fact. The reason I feel that way so far is because there is no hard evidence to prove otherwise.
Haven't you ever heard the saying that it takes 10 positive statements to outweigh 1 negative?
That depends on the person. And that's for insults, not fictional media. If someone tells a child that two plus two is five, I doubt that you'd need to tell them that it is four ten times.
but I think the assertion that it only affects a small percentage of people is naive.
Based on what? Well, you did say "I think," like I meant to do. So I guess they are mere opinions until someone proves either one.
Is it worth studying?
I don't see why not. It will be awfully difficult to do it correctly, and I personally don't seem them ever correlation real-life violence or long-term aggression to mere entertainment.
Personally, I'd answer "A." That doesn't involve mindlessly banning things for no legitimate reason, though. Especially things that have no good evidence to back them up, or things that only happen in an abysmally small number of cases. That's my opinion.
Almost all get that message.
Really? I was under the impression that many of them think that they are just games. Maybe not, but it is up to them to disprove me. Otherwise, they're just making baseless assumptions and stating that people should be scared of these "effects" that happen to some people without actually backing themselves up. The burden of proof is on them.
Its impossible to have a healthy society which actively teaches un-natural violence and killing is fun, easy
In a video game.
My point is that the effects appear to be either nonexistent or incredibly small. Temporary aggression, maybe, but many people seem to be exaggerating the situation greatly. I'm not worried about people being desensitized because of video games (although I'd suspect that many people would still be afraid if such a thing really happened to them), if that even happens. They still hold their beliefs, unless they're one of the few people I mentioned. Nothing comes of it.
But, this research is atempting to show that it gets 'worse' when a child is exposed to certain video games.
But that's just it. It fails to do even that. Where are the real-world examples that demonstrate this accurately? It would be difficult to get them, yes, but until they have them, I'm not inclined to believe what they are trying to say. They are applying a few guesses and studies to the real world, and it simply doesn't work that way, as far as I know.
What do you mean? I disagree with it because there's not enough evidence to support it. Statistical evidence, for instance. No real link has been drawn between violent media and actual, real-world violence. A few people are not enough reason to censor/ban something as far as I'm concerned.
It is highly ironic that most of the folks here that are weighing in on this topic are Asperger victims who have a tough enough time with empathy as it is.
A mere generalization.
How so? "This video game that you're playing right now isn't real. It is mere fiction. If you try to emulate the game, it will not work and such actions will have dire consequences." Something along those lines. Likely more in-depth, of course, but really, it isn't that difficult for a decent parent to do.
But that happens all the time, regardless of whether or not someone plays video games and the like. But again, it is nothing to really be alarmed about as far as I'm concerned. Certainly not a good enough reason for a ban.
Some children, depending on how they view fiction. There is still no probable correlation between his behavior and these cartoons that I see.
TV and games make some dysfunctional behavior look cool or acceptable.
But, really, how often does this happen in real life? How often do people go from being 'normal' to changing completely because of a work of fiction?
so where was I supposed to get it?
Yourself, or other people. Really, it's not like the information isn't easy to find.
Now consider how great of an effect that has on most children: seemingly almost none. Temporary aggressive thoughts, perhaps, but it doesn't go far beyond that in most cases. Crime statistics simply are not there. Nor are there enough violent children to support such a theory, as far as I know.
And how many children actually become violent in real life because of this? Based on statistical evidence that I've seen, not many at all. The most some studies have been able to do is correlate temporary aggressive thoughts with violent entertainment. But, as far as I know, that was it.
Every second they spend "playing" a socially destructive role is a second wasted where their mind is not focused on making positive contributions to their environment.
The same could be said about just about every hobby.
The problem is games and movies tend to glorify violence and justify it.
Which, as they know the game is not real, will not affect them much, if at all. Again, no statistical evidence backs this up, as far as I know. Also, none that I know of has been able to accurately correlate anything beyond temporary aggressive thoughts with fictional violent entertainment.
I'm all for limiting their sale to minors, just like porn and liquor can't be sold to them.
None of those limitations make sense to me simply because they're unknowns.
Those are real-world examples. Video games causing real violence is not something that is even supported by statistical evidence, as far as I'm aware.
Yes, and many of them likely realize that they are not applicable. Many know that they do not want to hurt others in that way. Supposedly. According to statistics, anyway. We don't see too many children trying to apply violent video game lessons to real life, as far as I know.
I don't think adults are more logical thinkers than kids or more immune to it necessarily, they just have more experience and recognition/fear of some type of consequences.
I agree, and that is why they should help the children whenever possible.
According to him, yes. But I'm having trouble believing that someone, even a child, can have those tendencies instilled within them merely by watching cartoons that have comedic value. Especially since there's no hard evidence that states that that actually was the true cause. Perhaps he changed merely because he didn't want anymore of his hobbies banned, or something such as that.
I suppose that no one did. However, based on statistical evidence, it does not have much of an effect on them at all. Perhaps some temporarily aggressive thoughts, but it almost always never goes beyond that.
Because we don't learn primarily through word of mouth instruction, but by example and imitation.
Primarily or not, it's not that difficult to instill the idea that fictional pieces of entertainment are fictional in someone's mind. I've personally never had a problem with realizing that.
And that right there is why its worthy of study.
Yes, it is. But, I just don't see how someone, even a child, could believe that something so obviously fictional is reality. I doubt even more that something 'terrible' would happen even if they did (but that claim has more statistical evidence to back it up).