That still doesn't change the fact that this is absolutely idiotic and should not be allowed. He didn't "interfere" with anything if you read the article.
Odd, because I have no desire to control everyone, as I feel that would be boring. This is a part of personality, and it is usually the illogical capitalistic society which brings forth such desire to control. It is no different than saying that humans are naturally evil, even though they aren't born with any personality to speak of.
What? What does the price of a candy bar have to do with anything? I said that you still don't know the *exact* terms of the contract. You should be able to know this before you buy it. You can't just assume that all products have horrible licenses.
That was a highly predictable response. Another illogical "potential profit" argument.
Action: A potential customer thinks about going to a business, but ultimately decides not to. Effect: 'Reduced' income (even though they never had it in the first place) for the business and the author(s) of the product(s) that would have been bought.
Action: A previous customer tells all of his friends that were planning on buying a certain product that they shouldn't do it because it's not of very high quality. They don't buy it. Effect: The author of said product loses out on potential profit. Therefore, the informant stole potential profit from the author, as well as his friends for not buying the product.
If 'taking' potential profit was illegal, *everyone* would be guilty of doing so, because you're 'taking' potential profit every single time you merely decide not to buy a product! Not to mention the fact that it's impossible to steal something (money) that only exists in the future of an alternate dimension where the author made more money.
Pirates are merely symptoms of an illogical capitalistic society. That is what is making these artists 'suffer'.
"I'm just going to state that you don't understand the world and not even bother trying to refute your argument!"
Well done. Not surprising, however. You still didn't explain how it's possible to steal from something that only exists in the future of an alternate dimension where the person that owned that object received more money for their product.
"I'm sure that Microsoft, Apple, IBM.HP, etc. etc. would disagree with you."
They're giant corporations whose sole intent is to make money. Of course they would disagree with me!
"As would any reasonable person who understands markets and intellectual property rights."
I'm sure you've stolen plenty of potential profit from many, many businesses just by not giving them your money. To avoid this, you'd have to visit every business in the world and give them all of your money, or else you're obviously 'stealing' their potential profit.
Any "reasonable" person would understand that pirates are merely a symptom of an illogical capitalistic society. The pirates, in reality, haven't taken anything. You can keep repeating that the software is the intellectual property of the author(s), but that won't change the fact that they weren't actually hurt by the pirates.
Indeed. But, really, he wasn't taking into account the rate at which these people can take in new information. Old age is not always a sure fire sign of intelligence or experience.
"schools would offer some serious practical ethics courses"
What for? Is it because they don't have interest in silly politics which will never change (all politicians are merely corporate tools)? Why waste time with a mandatory ethics course?
The latter one is correct, while the form is not. Age doesn't equal experience. Knowledge does. While an older person has had more time to acquire knowledge, that doesn't necessarily mean that they have memorized more information or are more experienced than their younger counterpart.
Uh, maybe not, but really, who's going to drop a computer, especially a desktop one?
"They don't have batteries to run out."
That's only laptops. Ebooks can be used on desktops, too, which don't have batteries that run out. Not really the fault of ebooks, here.
"The text is clear and legible."
I don't understand this one. The text on my computer is clear and legible. There's plenty of different fonts, and I've never seen a computer with illegible text.
"They don't have a reflective screen."
I hardly notice that, so it isn't much of a problem for me.
"You don't have to switch them off and on..."
Not really much of a problem. Once it's on, it's on for a while, and it doesn't usually take long to startup.
They also waste more paper and are usually more expensive. There's advantages and disadvantages to both, and there's really no need to call ebooks abominations.
"Pirates steal pieces of eight"
What?
"I was making the point that bittorrent is a legitimate tool."
It also sounded like you said that pirates steal things. Like here: "but I'm not stealing since they are licensed under Free and Open Source terms and conditions."
"Well first of all I gotta ask, are you a parent?"
Irrelevant. Have you ever heard the phrase "it doesn't take a chef to taste bad food"?
"I truly believe that 9 year olds tend to blend reality with fantasy"
Where is your evidence of this? You're affecting the life of another person, so you had better present some. I know of no person that can't differentiate between what we know as reality and a video game, including little kids. I've played violent video games since I was four, and even then I knew the difference between video games and 'reality'. It also doesn't take a video game to teach you that hitting someone with something will hurt them, and they certainly won't make someone believe they have multiple lives. Even kids know this, at least as long as they're not being actively lied to.
"Children are a blank slate when it comes to values and need guidance which is my job as a parent."
It is your 'job' to teach them what activities will put their life at risk, not to try to implant your personal beliefs in their brains (such as your illogical belief that kids can't differentiate between video games and reality).
"since I am the parent then it is my job to build that foundation which he may then add to subtract from or any combination thereof as he matures and grow into a young man"
Same as above. Also, a logical reason why something is beneficial/detrimental needs to be given. Too often that doesn't happen, and what is the result? It happens/doesn't happen anyway.
Now, how many households have a computer or gaming console?"
How many people are unable to differentiate between what we know as reality and a video game (likely none) and use these guns with the intention of hurting other people (likely none)? There's no need for adults to indoctrinate children with their own illogical beliefs and prevent them from playing these games for no reason.
"I have no problem with this. Parents are supposed to be responsible for their children."
Really? That doesn't surprise me, but why? Do you truly believe that only adults are able to differentiate between what we know as reality and a video game? Those that can't (likely none) would have already been deemed 'insane' by society, anyway, and certainly don't need violent video games to give them ideas on how to carry out violent acts. There's no reason that a child can't buy a violent video game with their own money (if they have some) with the intention of playing it. The parents can't really stop them from doing that, and they have no logical reason to. They don't even have evidence to support their illogical opinions, which they should need to make decisions that affect other people. Too much indoctrination. It's very frightening, actually.
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That still doesn't change the fact that this is absolutely idiotic and should not be allowed. He didn't "interfere" with anything if you read the article.
"actual genes"
Odd, because I have no desire to control everyone, as I feel that would be boring. This is a part of personality, and it is usually the illogical capitalistic society which brings forth such desire to control. It is no different than saying that humans are naturally evil, even though they aren't born with any personality to speak of.
"because they don't know how to do that in the real world."
Problem is, it seems that no one knows how to do that. That's why nothing is ever done...
What? What does the price of a candy bar have to do with anything? I said that you still don't know the *exact* terms of the contract. You should be able to know this before you buy it. You can't just assume that all products have horrible licenses.
That was a highly predictable response. Another illogical "potential profit" argument.
Action: A potential customer thinks about going to a business, but ultimately decides not to.
Effect: 'Reduced' income (even though they never had it in the first place) for the business and the author(s) of the product(s) that would have been bought.
Action: A previous customer tells all of his friends that were planning on buying a certain product that they shouldn't do it because it's not of very high quality. They don't buy it.
Effect: The author of said product loses out on potential profit. Therefore, the informant stole potential profit from the author, as well as his friends for not buying the product.
If 'taking' potential profit was illegal, *everyone* would be guilty of doing so, because you're 'taking' potential profit every single time you merely decide not to buy a product! Not to mention the fact that it's impossible to steal something (money) that only exists in the future of an alternate dimension where the author made more money.
Pirates are merely symptoms of an illogical capitalistic society. That is what is making these artists 'suffer'.
Yet, you have no idea what the contract actually says until you buy the product.
"I strongly rely on these licensing rights for my revenue."
Why? How are pirates hurting you? What are they taking, exactly?
I've bought it, it's mine. I don't care what the law says. If it says anything else, something is terribly, terribly wrong.
Where's your evidence that every single person will use this to violate copyright? Such a large generalization. I hope you have some.
"This is immoral and corrupt, and would never stand in a true free market or for that matter in a socialist one either"
This is merely a symptom of a capitalistic society. That is what is hurting the artists, not pirates. Pirates don't actually take anything.
He's not pretending if they actually didn't. If you say that most of the world consists of pirates, you had better have some evidence to back it up.
"Yeah, and there are five people who legitimately want to back up their blu-rays."
Where's your evidence of that? Did you poll everyone in the world, or is it just a guess?
"You know and I know, this is primarily a tool for piracy."
So, normal people should have to suffer because a few pirates lurk around? This is the same deal with DRM. Useless.
Are you going to respond to my argument or not? All you're doing is attacking me without strengthening your own argument.
Probably not, however.
"Can't you think of any other way something can go wrong hardware-wise on a PC? :)"
I can. But, generally, computers don't break down two weeks after you get them.
"The key word here is 'me'."
Indeed. However, the point I was making is that that problem isn't universal.
"But it still requires electric power, doesn't it?"
Probably not much. Though, it does require some.
"True. But books still have more advantages :)"
I disagree. I'd rather read my seemingly infinite amount of text that is present on my hard drive rather than buy individual books.
"I'm just going to state that you don't understand the world and not even bother trying to refute your argument!"
Well done. Not surprising, however. You still didn't explain how it's possible to steal from something that only exists in the future of an alternate dimension where the person that owned that object received more money for their product.
"I'm sure that Microsoft, Apple, IBM.HP, etc. etc. would disagree with you."
They're giant corporations whose sole intent is to make money. Of course they would disagree with me!
"As would any reasonable person who understands markets and intellectual property rights."
I'm sure you've stolen plenty of potential profit from many, many businesses just by not giving them your money. To avoid this, you'd have to visit every business in the world and give them all of your money, or else you're obviously 'stealing' their potential profit.
Any "reasonable" person would understand that pirates are merely a symptom of an illogical capitalistic society. The pirates, in reality, haven't taken anything. You can keep repeating that the software is the intellectual property of the author(s), but that won't change the fact that they weren't actually hurt by the pirates.
Indeed. But, really, he wasn't taking into account the rate at which these people can take in new information. Old age is not always a sure fire sign of intelligence or experience.
"schools would offer some serious practical ethics courses"
What for? Is it because they don't have interest in silly politics which will never change (all politicians are merely corporate tools)? Why waste time with a mandatory ethics course?
"Devoid of social skills and any desire to attain them."
I don't see anything wrong with that. Some people like socializing, others don't.
"It's just age and presumably experience"
The latter one is correct, while the form is not. Age doesn't equal experience. Knowledge does. While an older person has had more time to acquire knowledge, that doesn't necessarily mean that they have memorized more information or are more experienced than their younger counterpart.
"Books don't smash and break if you drop them."
Uh, maybe not, but really, who's going to drop a computer, especially a desktop one?
"They don't have batteries to run out."
That's only laptops. Ebooks can be used on desktops, too, which don't have batteries that run out. Not really the fault of ebooks, here.
"The text is clear and legible."
I don't understand this one. The text on my computer is clear and legible. There's plenty of different fonts, and I've never seen a computer with illegible text.
"They don't have a reflective screen."
I hardly notice that, so it isn't much of a problem for me.
"You don't have to switch them off and on..."
Not really much of a problem. Once it's on, it's on for a while, and it doesn't usually take long to startup.
They also waste more paper and are usually more expensive. There's advantages and disadvantages to both, and there's really no need to call ebooks abominations.
"Pirates steal pieces of eight"
What?
"I was making the point that bittorrent is a legitimate tool."
It also sounded like you said that pirates steal things. Like here: "but I'm not stealing since they are licensed under Free and Open Source terms and conditions."
What? Pick a fight? That isn't what it was meant to do. I merely stated that your argument was illogical and challenged you to prove me wrong.
"P.S. I really hope you never reproduce. Buh-Bye."
You seemed to get angry at me when you thought I was "picking a fight," and now you yourself are doing just that.
"Well first of all I gotta ask, are you a parent?"
Irrelevant. Have you ever heard the phrase "it doesn't take a chef to taste bad food"?
"I truly believe that 9 year olds tend to blend reality with fantasy"
Where is your evidence of this? You're affecting the life of another person, so you had better present some. I know of no person that can't differentiate between what we know as reality and a video game, including little kids. I've played violent video games since I was four, and even then I knew the difference between video games and 'reality'. It also doesn't take a video game to teach you that hitting someone with something will hurt them, and they certainly won't make someone believe they have multiple lives. Even kids know this, at least as long as they're not being actively lied to.
"Children are a blank slate when it comes to values and need guidance which is my job as a parent."
It is your 'job' to teach them what activities will put their life at risk, not to try to implant your personal beliefs in their brains (such as your illogical belief that kids can't differentiate between video games and reality).
"since I am the parent then it is my job to build that foundation which he may then add to subtract from or any combination thereof as he matures and grow into a young man"
Same as above. Also, a logical reason why something is beneficial/detrimental needs to be given. Too often that doesn't happen, and what is the result? It happens/doesn't happen anyway.
"How many households have real guns?
Now, how many households have a computer or gaming console?"
How many people are unable to differentiate between what we know as reality and a video game (likely none) and use these guns with the intention of hurting other people (likely none)? There's no need for adults to indoctrinate children with their own illogical beliefs and prevent them from playing these games for no reason.
"I have no problem with this. Parents are supposed to be responsible for their children."
Really? That doesn't surprise me, but why? Do you truly believe that only adults are able to differentiate between what we know as reality and a video game? Those that can't (likely none) would have already been deemed 'insane' by society, anyway, and certainly don't need violent video games to give them ideas on how to carry out violent acts. There's no reason that a child can't buy a violent video game with their own money (if they have some) with the intention of playing it. The parents can't really stop them from doing that, and they have no logical reason to. They don't even have evidence to support their illogical opinions, which they should need to make decisions that affect other people. Too much indoctrination. It's very frightening, actually.