I watched the quicktime movie on that site. The bird didn't seem to know what it was doing. It was more like 1:3 trial and error. Has the bird not been trained enough, or what?
So once the bird is "web browsing" (i.e., pushing buttons to get food); what the heck is it going to be doing? I know, I know. It's just proof of concept, doing HCI for animals. But why?
The hardcorps realudio on the front page. It's pretty cool, though it would probably sound a lot better if it wasn't 16kbps.
No need to send me anything. It twas only a joke. I had been taping my speakers up for months before this, after playing PVD at an in house party.
The tape just ripped off when I played that track off your site.
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Yeah. First, their sample rate is 2503 adults over the age of 18. Second, they don't show their method at all, so I would tend to call it invalid unless it was made clear that their sampling was valid.
I sincerely doubt it was.
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ilk
American Heritage:
ilka (lk) also ilk (lk). adj. Scots
Each; every.
ilk1 (lk) n.
Type or kind: can't trust people of that ilk. See Synonyms at type. pron. Scots The same. Used following a name to indicate that the one named resides in an area bearing the same name: Duncan of that ilk.
------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------- [Middle English same, from Old English ilca; see i- in Indo-European Roots.]
Word History: When one uses ilk, as in the phrase men of his ilk, one is using a word with an ancient pedigree even though the sense of ilk, "kind or sort," is actually quite recent, having been recorded no earlier than the end of the 18th century. This sense grew out of an older use of ilk in the phrase of that ilk, meaning "of the same place, territorial designation, or name." This phrase was used chiefly in names of landed families, Guthrie of that ilk meaning "Guthrie of Guthrie." "Same" is the fundamental meaning of the word. The ancestors of ilk, Old English ilca and Middle English ilke, were common words, usually appearing with such words as the or that, but the word hardly survived the Middle Ages in those uses.
ilk noun sort: kind or sort "save forlorn hopes and their ilk" Stephen Crane The Red Badge of Courage (1895)
[Old English ilca "same," a compound whose parts are descended from an Indo-European word meaning "same" and a prehistoric Germanic word meaning "form" (also the ancestor of English each)]
Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: 1ilk Pronunciation: 'ilk Function: pronoun Etymology: Middle English, from Old English ilca, from a prehistoric compound whose constituents are akin respectively to Gothic is he (akin to Latin is he, that) and Old English gelIc like -- more at ITERATE, LIKE Date: before 12th century chiefly Scottish : SAME -- used with that especially in the names of landed families
Wordnet
synonyms
Sense 1 ilk -- (a kind of person; "I don't like people of his ilk") => kind, sort, form, variety -- (a category of things distinguished by some common characteristic or quality; "sculpture is a form of art"; "what kinds of desserts are there?")
coordinate terms
Sense 1 ilk -- (a kind of person; "I don't like people of his ilk") -> kind, sort, form, variety -- (a category of things distinguished by some common characteristic or quality; "sculpture is a form of art"; "what kinds of desserts are there?") => description -- (sort or variety; "every description of book was there") => type -- (a subdivision of a particular kind of thing; "what type of sculpture do you prefer?") => antitype -- (an opposite or contrasting type) => art form -- (a form of artistic expression (such as writing or painting or architecture)) => style -- (a particular kind (as to appearance); "this style of shoe is in demand") => flavor, flavour -- ((high energy physics) the kinds of quarks) => species, variety -- (a specific kind of something: "a species of molecule"; "a species of villainy") => genus -- (a general kind of something; "ignore the genus communism") => brand, make -- (a recognizable kind; "there's a new brand of hero in the movies now"; "what make of car is that?") => genre -- (a kind of literary or artistic work) => ilk -- (a kind of person; "I don't like people of his ilk") => manner -- (a kind; "what manner of man are you?") => model -- (a type of product; "his car was an old model") => the like, the likes of -- (a similar kind; "dogs, foxes, and the like", "we don't want the likes of you around here")
hypernyms
Sense 1 ilk -- (a kind of person; "I don't like people of his ilk") => kind, sort, form, variety -- (a category of things distinguished by some common characteristic or quality; "sculpture is a form of art"; "what kinds of desserts are there?") => category -- (a general concept that marks divisions or coordinations in a conceptual scheme) => concept, conception, construct -- (an abstract or general idea inferred or derived from specific instances) => idea, thought -- (the content of cognition; the main thing you are thinking about; "it was not a good idea"; "the thought never entered my mind") => content, cognitive content, mental object -- (the sum or range of what has been perceived, discovered, or learned) => cognition, knowledge -- (the psychological result of perception and learning and reasoning) => psychological feature -- (a feature of the mental life of a living organism)
Sure, if you have 5000 people on your e-mail list and are regularly sending to them, and the RIAA happens to get a copy of said illegal material.
I think your rhetorical question is flawed in that e-mail isn't generally a listing medium for thousands of mp3 files from thousands of people (but you could set up such an application if you wanted, I guess).
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Sure they do. Shut napster down and all the users have to find some other central location from which to list illegal mp3's from which they can peer to peer download.
Hehe, I doubt they could legally bait you. What they could do though is enter a GNUtella ip and search the connected network and then send all the involved ISP's cease and desist for open pirate networks.
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Already happened:).
The difference is napster is easy. You install the app and connect directly to their servers. No ip numbers to remember, no thinking. Easy.
The alternatives have you remembering IP addresses and using uncentralized networks. It makes it just like IRC or something, but an order of magnitude easier. Ask any normal user whether it's fun to go looking for mp3's anywhere other than napster, and you'll probably find it's a pain in the ass.
I would know. I taught a bunch of kids how to use audiogalaxy, cuteftp and ftp ratio sites. It ain't fun; believe me. Plus, the normal user will have no idea whatsoever how to do this stuff without word of mouth and special instructions.
Napster is so simple, a 12 year old can figure it out if they can figure out how to visit a web page.
(1) napster provides a centralized application and list server where users can list pirated works all over the world (2) napster's business model relies on this (3) without napster and other application mediums which allow massive trading and easy selection, the result is: (a) less trading (b) much harder to find a decent selection (c) no companies leeching off pirating IP for their business model (d) this is relegated to the underground, somewhat like the software pirate industry (4) the RIAA is vigilant and prevents all large networks that allow the regular user to easily obtain pirated works (such as large GNUtella pirate groups, or open IRC channels), they will have an impact
Copyright protection isn't an absolute. Anyone who has ever looked at copyright in digital works knows this. All they can do is regulate it at such a level that there are technical barriers to the normal user when they wish to obtain works illegally.
AFAIK, this is the same as the software industry, except music is much easier to rip and copy to friends.
You're assuming too much. I sincerely doubt their goal is, as you say, to "stop MP3's". They aren't morons. As Lars Ulrich said, "it's about control [of their music]".
"The days where you could charge whatever you want for something that costs you nothing to make is over"
You're confused. Record companies spend millions on promotion, advertising, many artists who don't pan out, etc. Where I do agree is that there has been collusion in the industry to raise prices above that which the retailer was willing to sell for through acts of coercion (if they can force static prices while demand never abates due to this being entertainment, they can artificially control profits in the market -- and raise their wholesale prices to retailers).
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"now its all gnapster"
No central server where everyone can list files from thousands of people. You speak truth when you say they can't block them all. Everyone hear assumes that the lawyers do not know this. They do. Napster is running a business on this model. If they prevent this and other companies from doing so, then it will surely be an underground affair that the average user will either not be aware of, or will have to overcome technical barriers to participate in.
It's probably bull shit due to the method in which they gathered information. I'd like to know what site they ran a survey from, the demographics of the users who normally visit, the method in which they offered a "prize" for participating, or whatever.
Peer to peer file sharing of *illegal* materials is already illegal. What they can't do is enforce it. It's like sharing illegal software with your friends via ftp or something. They can't do anything about it, whether it is illegal or not.
What it does is send a clear message to all those who have been doing it out in the open and even making a business out of it.
I certainly think the "fine line" is simple to distinguish.
Napster allows you to download bootlegs, so downloading the copyrighted stuff is OK too?
The vast majority of users on napster are trading in pirated wares. This is rectified by napster either banning all users who traffic in such files, or shut down altogether when they get sued into oblivion -- btw, setting a not too nice precedent for other industries to jump at.
Nah. People are just easily predictable. It followed along the lines of the Scream trend, but in this case pretending to be real - at least to the large group of (again, easily predictable) ignorant teenagers.
I'd tend to agree with you though, if you mentioned the budweiser "WAZUUUUUPPPPP" commercials. It's the perfect mix of hilarity, and product promotion, which resulted in a lot of free word of mouth advertising and positive generation, coupled at the end with a nonsensical platitude "and having a bud - true, true", to give it some sort of meaning that the average anti-intellectual potential bud drinking schmoe can't see through, while guaranteeing the invocation of their product in phone conversations and casual meeting everywhere (although the demographic is, gain, easily predictable -- the average rowdy beer drinking and tv watching maroon).
Advertising is essentially pounding trademarks and brands into your brain through repetition, coupled with association to exciting circumstance which is hyperbolic and almost always totally unrelated to the product in an effort to subliminally affect you at the time of purchase when you have to make a choice between different brands -- especially when they aren't sufficiently differentiated by any real factors.
"but it just doesn't sound right compared to people who work all their lives on the poverty line"
That's how markets work. People living on the poverty line with inadequite education and no skills in demand aren't ever going to make a decent amount of money. I admit, I'd like to see more equitable distribution, but shoveling more money into the hands of the poor through mechanisms such as minimum wage, will almost always result in higher demand for product and, hence higher prices - negating the effect of said redistribution.
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I watched the quicktime movie on that site. The bird didn't seem to know what it was doing. It was more like 1:3 trial and error. Has the bird not been trained enough, or what?
So once the bird is "web browsing" (i.e., pushing buttons to get food); what the heck is it going to be doing? I know, I know. It's just proof of concept, doing HCI for animals. But why?
dubya dubya dubya dot network hyphen ...
listener: wait, which one is the hyphen again?
you: you know, that straight dash thingie, i.e., a centered horizontal line
listener: oh yah, that one
you: geek dot com
listener: wait a minute, can you start again?
you: ok [...]
listener: oh, hey, why do you have a hyphen between network and geek?
you: OH FUCK IT. just go to google and type network geek.
"Nor are they attempting any control over the internet per se."
Naa. They want to control the internet too.
Go bash your head in with a large rock.
The hardcorps realudio on the front page. It's pretty cool, though it would probably sound a lot better if it wasn't 16kbps.
No need to send me anything. It twas only a joke. I had been taping my speakers up for months before this, after playing PVD at an in house party.
The tape just ripped off when I played that track off your site.
Yeah. First, their sample rate is 2503 adults over the age of 18. Second, they don't show their method at all, so I would tend to call it invalid unless it was made clear that their sampling was valid.
I sincerely doubt it was.
ilk
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A 26/A2656100.wav):
American Heritage:
ilka (lk) also ilk (lk).
adj. Scots
Each; every.
ilk1 (lk)
n.
Type or kind: can't trust people of that ilk. See Synonyms at type.
pron. Scots
The same. Used following a name to indicate that the one named resides in an area bearing the same name: Duncan of that ilk.
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[Middle English same, from Old English ilca; see i- in Indo-European Roots.]
Word History: When one uses ilk, as in the phrase men of his ilk, one is using a word with an ancient pedigree even though the sense of ilk, "kind or sort," is actually quite recent, having been recorded no earlier than the end of the 18th century. This sense grew out of an older use of ilk in the phrase of that ilk, meaning "of the same place, territorial designation, or name." This phrase was used chiefly in names of landed families, Guthrie of that ilk meaning "Guthrie of Guthrie." "Same" is the fundamental meaning of the word. The ancestors of ilk, Old English ilca and Middle English ilke, were common words, usually appearing with such words as the or that, but the word hardly survived the Middle Ages in those uses.
Encarta (http://dictionary.msn.com/ewedmedia/11k_GSM.wav/
ilk noun
sort: kind or sort "save forlorn hopes and their ilk" Stephen Crane The Red Badge of Courage (1895)
[Old English ilca "same," a compound whose parts are descended from an Indo-European word meaning "same" and a prehistoric Germanic word meaning "form" (also the ancestor of English each)]
Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: 1ilk
Pronunciation: 'ilk
Function: pronoun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English ilca, from a prehistoric compound whose constituents are akin respectively to Gothic is he (akin to Latin is he, that) and Old English gelIc like -- more at ITERATE, LIKE
Date: before 12th century
chiefly Scottish : SAME -- used with that especially in the names of landed families
Wordnet
synonyms
Sense 1
ilk -- (a kind of person; "I don't like people of his ilk")
=> kind, sort, form, variety -- (a category of things distinguished by some common characteristic or quality; "sculpture is a form of art"; "what kinds of desserts are there?")
coordinate terms
Sense 1
ilk -- (a kind of person; "I don't like people of his ilk")
-> kind, sort, form, variety -- (a category of things distinguished by some common characteristic or quality; "sculpture is a form of art"; "what kinds of desserts are there?")
=> description -- (sort or variety; "every description of book was there")
=> type -- (a subdivision of a particular kind of thing; "what type of sculpture do you prefer?")
=> antitype -- (an opposite or contrasting type)
=> art form -- (a form of artistic expression (such as writing or painting or architecture))
=> style -- (a particular kind (as to appearance); "this style of shoe is in demand")
=> flavor, flavour -- ((high energy physics) the kinds of quarks)
=> species, variety -- (a specific kind of something: "a species of molecule"; "a species of villainy")
=> genus -- (a general kind of something; "ignore the genus communism")
=> brand, make -- (a recognizable kind; "there's a new brand of hero in the movies now"; "what make of car is that?")
=> genre -- (a kind of literary or artistic work)
=> ilk -- (a kind of person; "I don't like people of his ilk")
=> manner -- (a kind; "what manner of man are you?")
=> model -- (a type of product; "his car was an old model")
=> the like, the likes of -- (a similar kind; "dogs, foxes, and the like", "we don't want the likes of you around here")
hypernyms
Sense 1
ilk -- (a kind of person; "I don't like people of his ilk")
=> kind, sort, form, variety -- (a category of things distinguished by some common characteristic or quality; "sculpture is a form of art"; "what kinds of desserts are there?")
=> category -- (a general concept that marks divisions or coordinations in a conceptual scheme)
=> concept, conception, construct -- (an abstract or general idea inferred or derived from specific instances)
=> idea, thought -- (the content of cognition; the main thing you are thinking about; "it was not a good idea"; "the thought never entered my mind")
=> content, cognitive content, mental object -- (the sum or range of what has been perceived, discovered, or learned)
=> cognition, knowledge -- (the psychological result of perception and learning and reasoning)
=> psychological feature -- (a feature of the mental life of a living organism)
Sure, if you have 5000 people on your e-mail list and are regularly sending to them, and the RIAA happens to get a copy of said illegal material.
I think your rhetorical question is flawed in that e-mail isn't generally a listing medium for thousands of mp3 files from thousands of people (but you could set up such an application if you wanted, I guess).
Sure they do. Shut napster down and all the users have to find some other central location from which to list illegal mp3's from which they can peer to peer download.
You've been brainwashed into caring about the body shape of useless people just because they appear on the radio and television a lot.
Hehe, I doubt they could legally bait you. What they could do though is enter a GNUtella ip and search the connected network and then send all the involved ISP's cease and desist for open pirate networks.
Already happened :).
The difference is napster is easy. You install the app and connect directly to their servers. No ip numbers to remember, no thinking. Easy.
The alternatives have you remembering IP addresses and using uncentralized networks. It makes it just like IRC or something, but an order of magnitude easier. Ask any normal user whether it's fun to go looking for mp3's anywhere other than napster, and you'll probably find it's a pain in the ass.
I would know. I taught a bunch of kids how to use audiogalaxy, cuteftp and ftp ratio sites. It ain't fun; believe me. Plus, the normal user will have no idea whatsoever how to do this stuff without word of mouth and special instructions.
Napster is so simple, a 12 year old can figure it out if they can figure out how to visit a web page.
Let's look at the real issue.
(1) napster provides a centralized application and list server where users can list pirated works all over the world
(2) napster's business model relies on this
(3) without napster and other application mediums which allow massive trading and easy selection, the result is:
(a) less trading
(b) much harder to find a decent selection
(c) no companies leeching off pirating IP for their business model
(d) this is relegated to the underground, somewhat like the software pirate industry
(4) the RIAA is vigilant and prevents all large networks that allow the regular user to easily obtain pirated works (such as large GNUtella pirate groups, or open IRC channels), they will have an impact
Copyright protection isn't an absolute. Anyone who has ever looked at copyright in digital works knows this. All they can do is regulate it at such a level that there are technical barriers to the normal user when they wish to obtain works illegally.
AFAIK, this is the same as the software industry, except music is much easier to rip and copy to friends.
You're assuming too much. I sincerely doubt their goal is, as you say, to "stop MP3's". They aren't morons. As Lars Ulrich said, "it's about control [of their music]".
"The days where you could charge whatever you want for something that costs you nothing to make is over"
You're confused. Record companies spend millions on promotion, advertising, many artists who don't pan out, etc. Where I do agree is that there has been collusion in the industry to raise prices above that which the retailer was willing to sell for through acts of coercion (if they can force static prices while demand never abates due to this being entertainment, they can artificially control profits in the market -- and raise their wholesale prices to retailers).
"now its all gnapster"
No central server where everyone can list files from thousands of people. You speak truth when you say they can't block them all. Everyone hear assumes that the lawyers do not know this. They do. Napster is running a business on this model. If they prevent this and other companies from doing so, then it will surely be an underground affair that the average user will either not be aware of, or will have to overcome technical barriers to participate in.
It's probably bull shit due to the method in which they gathered information. I'd like to know what site they ran a survey from, the demographics of the users who normally visit, the method in which they offered a "prize" for participating, or whatever.
Peer to peer file sharing of *illegal* materials is already illegal. What they can't do is enforce it. It's like sharing illegal software with your friends via ftp or something. They can't do anything about it, whether it is illegal or not.
What it does is send a clear message to all those who have been doing it out in the open and even making a business out of it.
I certainly think the "fine line" is simple to distinguish.
hehe.
:-)
Well they were already slightly ripped from a PVD essential mix, so it's OK (!)
It gives me a reason to go out and get a pair of new loudspeakers
This is sad, but I can recall participating in all topics listed ... in the past month :)
Ok, so:
Napster allows you to download bootlegs, so downloading the copyrighted stuff is OK too?
The vast majority of users on napster are trading in pirated wares. This is rectified by napster either banning all users who traffic in such files, or shut down altogether when they get sued into oblivion -- btw, setting a not too nice precedent for other industries to jump at.
If I see one more Ayn Rand comment today on slashdot, I am going to light the entire state of michigan on fire in your name.
Must you invoke trite, putrescent, meta-stupid, malformed idiotic pseudo philosophies for bleating morons to get your point across?
Libraries don't carry the national enquirer (hopefully).
Nah. People are just easily predictable. It followed along the lines of the Scream trend, but in this case pretending to be real - at least to the large group of (again, easily predictable) ignorant teenagers.
I'd tend to agree with you though, if you mentioned the budweiser "WAZUUUUUPPPPP" commercials. It's the perfect mix of hilarity, and product promotion, which resulted in a lot of free word of mouth advertising and positive generation, coupled at the end with a nonsensical platitude "and having a bud - true, true", to give it some sort of meaning that the average anti-intellectual potential bud drinking schmoe can't see through, while guaranteeing the invocation of their product in phone conversations and casual meeting everywhere (although the demographic is, gain, easily predictable -- the average rowdy beer drinking and tv watching maroon).
Advertising is essentially pounding trademarks and brands into your brain through repetition, coupled with association to exciting circumstance which is hyperbolic and almost always totally unrelated to the product in an effort to subliminally affect you at the time of purchase when you have to make a choice between different brands -- especially when they aren't sufficiently differentiated by any real factors.
A song on your website ripped one of my woofers. I demand payment.
"but it just doesn't sound right compared to people who work all their lives on the poverty line"
That's how markets work. People living on the poverty line with inadequite education and no skills in demand aren't ever going to make a decent amount of money. I admit, I'd like to see more equitable distribution, but shoveling more money into the hands of the poor through mechanisms such as minimum wage, will almost always result in higher demand for product and, hence higher prices - negating the effect of said redistribution.