Yeah and many politicians went to harvard and Dr. Laura is a doctor. Credentials doesn't mean intelligence. Not that this person doesn't have intelligence, as I am fully aware of the pared down writing process on the internet; It goes something like this: thought -> keyboard -> post. This is slashdot. I actually enjoy posting semi-moronic material.
The statements regarding journalistic integrity are noted and appreciated. The political fervor is, I think, kind of un-needed to drive this point home, but this is an open forum after all.
The point here, however, is that there is not much audible difference between the two. I've listened to CD tracks right before listening to the mp3 version which I ripped right off the CD, at 192kbps and have noticed almost nill difference. Of course, the stereo system I have hooked up to my computer is only 1000 dollars, so I might not have the "right" equipment to hear these major differences.
You're mistaking events for social and political realities in these two countries. You can off on a rant about Waco and Tienneman square all you want, but there are fundamental differences between the rights in these two countries. If you would ignore simple assertions of events like this and actually look at the differences, then you'd be able to understand why your hyperbolic supposition lacks evidence.
That also does not mean that I am blind to social and political structures and inherent problems they create in a country. I am well versed in modern social engineering, corporate hegemony, authoritarian world institutions such as the IMF and WTO, and fundamental flaws in scaling and corruption in the democratic republic. I would also note that freedom is not an absolute. There is always coercion and limits in freedom, because these freedom are supposed to benefit all instead of the few. I am quite aware of corporate attempts to subvert government through lobbying, back room agreements, and moronic attempts at creating censorship and other laws with no merit because of a life time of social indoctrination.
The fact, however, is that there are major differences between this and an authoritarian "communist" regimine in china. Your placement of these two examples is nothing but useless frippery.
(1) Piracy is stealing. (2) Owners of copyrighted material can't go after all that steal. (3)Napster is easy to use and therefore is a congregation point for many. (4)Most of the mp3 trading on napster is of illegal material.
(1) makes legitimate (2). (2) can't be enforced for all. (3) makes legit (4) and gives an easy attack point for (2), which is covered under law.
This is simple. If you have any further questions I will write in simple terms.
Copy protection isn't based on moral enlightenment. Copy protection is based on technical and legal mechanisms. This is why large copyrighted images are not on the internet. This is why easily copied books are not on the internet. This is why...
Considering he's trying to grasp the subject, is a little angry about it, and he had no idea what the questions were going to be, I have no problem with his use of the English language.
Yes, you have a good point sir. Variety is not exactly conductive to current record corporation practices. This is not exactly their fault, as they can't throw a ton of money into promoting everyone - but we still do not hear the variety on the radio or outer music outlets. Therefore if we are not given this variety by music companies, we will seek out this variety through other channels as we become aware of that which is available. This, of course, is not a rationalization of stealing, but a logical explanation of my current behavior in sampling music over the internet for free. Given perfect information, I now make much more rational choices - as opposed to running out and buying a cd after hearing one song, or terrible clips from a few select songs off cdnow or amazon. This is, again, not conductive to the business model of large record companies, as they often rely on imperfect information and induced purchasing behavior, through hype.
Although somewhat interesting, the market for legitimate internet based music is somewhat out of reach at this moment due to demographics, potential price points due to free-the-information ideology, and lack of quality hardware to transfer these audio formats - which aren't available yet in somewhat secure incarnations - in the hands of the masses in any acceptable quantities in relation to regular revenues. Of course someone has to beat the path -- but they can't do that yet until the secure music technology is there.
Since this is the internet, there will no doubt be many enthusiast sites introducing hack 42, to "secure" music version # whatever. This is fundamentally different than regular channels, as television music is a one way medium which is obviously interested in keeping industry order.
They could also drive these news systems into the underground through the use of fear. They could use fear by threatening a number of users or their ISP's. This fear would drive this congregation of people to split up into secretive servers, possibly closed or password protected sites, etc, just like IRC and FTP. I'm guessing the napster community has, also, in the past been self protective through errant assertions that it is right because of the big evil record companies looming over head, ready to steal your money out of your pocket, as well as the artists pocket.
Morality is not universal, because order is not only created by biological determinism, but social constructs. This is obvious to you.
However, I differ on your understanding that we as humans are willing to change our minds in this case if prevented with a logical flow of ideas. The reality, however, is that we follow law because of consequences if we break it. I download music off the internet for free, from a large band that either has a ton of money or is in a far off place, and there is no way in hell that anyone can arrest me for this behavior - or I go buy it in a store for 15 dollars. Let's see. Hmm.
"that the industry doesn't artificially inflate their prices"
Well this is already obvious. There are multiple intermediaries here all gleaning a profit. Customers are obviously willing to buy these products because they would have nothing else otherwise. Large record companies also collude to raise prices through forcing recommended and minimum retail prices. These intermediaries obviously are interested in money. They have no interest in the bands. This is why volume and the lowest common denominator are stressed. It is also why there is a lot of money in promotion, demifying, and engineering acts. Without the promotion and demifying, they are just another music band. That's how advertising and promotion works. Lurking behind every major act, there are a number of decent unknown bands.
Of course, in the case of mainstream music, which is mostly nonsensical lyrics and sex appeal, you are nothing without promotion. They can't rely on regular social congregations like techno/trance does, and they can't rely on crazy youth social movements like punk and goth do (and interestingly bands of this genre do very will with promotion over the internet).
"But I also believe that the jokes are symptomatic of a tendency to assume that one's own field is the important one, and that it's not that hard and people could do it if they really tried"
Why yes. Mathematicians make fun of physicists for their tentative theoretical non sense (did you hear the one about all the physicists that were hired to calculate hedge funds?..), then there's the physicists who are explaining everything in the universe, so everyone else is "just a stamp collector". And then there's...
Irrelevant. The quality is good enough for the vast majority of listeners. If not, they would just encode it in 256+kbps, as opposed to the 192kbps average encoding rate of group rips today, and the 128kbps and 160kbps encoding rate of the vast majority of mp3's out there.
'Real' revenue is created by large ad campaigns and promotion that grabs casual listeners. Value added products would only attract a certain demographic, which precludes sales volume.
I completely agree with you here. Mr. Ulrich certainly understands that this is an issue of scope. This scope is achieved through an easy to use program that allows thousands to congregate and trade pirated material. If napster were destroyed, it might at least temporarily prevent the average user from using such networks. IRC and FTP certainly have a learning curve that most casual users would not traverse. Copy protection is supposed to stop the majority from stealing. There will always be the few and there will hopefully always be fair use.
Translation: defeat napster and other copyright pillager tools, and you defeat most users.
At least, until someone makes something like gnutella on windows and makes it easy.
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Check out his web page. It's fucking hilarious. (notice the org). This is, of course, assuming you aren't a troll.
Hey, nice posturing without saying anything of use at all.
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Yeah and many politicians went to harvard and Dr. Laura is a doctor. Credentials doesn't mean intelligence. Not that this person doesn't have intelligence, as I am fully aware of the pared down writing process on the internet; It goes something like this: thought -> keyboard -> post. This is slashdot. I actually enjoy posting semi-moronic material.
Long live pseudonyms!
"While you're at it ask him if I can put it up on Napster"
AHAHAHHAHA. I almost chocked on the food I was eating here after reading that.
The statements regarding journalistic integrity are noted and appreciated. The political fervor is, I think, kind of un-needed to drive this point home, but this is an open forum after all.
The point here, however, is that there is not much audible difference between the two. I've listened to CD tracks right before listening to the mp3 version which I ripped right off the CD, at 192kbps and have noticed almost nill difference. Of course, the stereo system I have hooked up to my computer is only 1000 dollars, so I might not have the "right" equipment to hear these major differences.
Hi,
You're mistaking events for social and political realities in these two countries. You can off on a rant about Waco and Tienneman square all you want, but there are fundamental differences between the rights in these two countries. If you would ignore simple assertions of events like this and actually look at the differences, then you'd be able to understand why your hyperbolic supposition lacks evidence.
That also does not mean that I am blind to social and political structures and inherent problems they create in a country. I am well versed in modern social engineering, corporate hegemony, authoritarian world institutions such as the IMF and WTO, and fundamental flaws in scaling and corruption in the democratic republic. I would also note that freedom is not an absolute. There is always coercion and limits in freedom, because these freedom are supposed to benefit all instead of the few. I am quite aware of corporate attempts to subvert government through lobbying, back room agreements, and moronic attempts at creating censorship and other laws with no merit because of a life time of social indoctrination.
The fact, however, is that there are major differences between this and an authoritarian "communist" regimine in china. Your placement of these two examples is nothing but useless frippery.
Please follow this simple causal relationship.
(1) Piracy is stealing.
(2) Owners of copyrighted material can't go after all that steal.
(3)Napster is easy to use and therefore is a congregation point for many.
(4)Most of the mp3 trading on napster is of illegal material.
(1) makes legitimate (2). (2) can't be enforced for all. (3) makes legit (4) and gives an easy attack point for (2), which is covered under law.
This is simple. If you have any further questions I will write in simple terms.
Copy protection isn't based on moral enlightenment. Copy protection is based on technical and legal mechanisms. This is why large copyrighted images are not on the internet. This is why easily copied books are not on the internet. This is why ...
Oh yes, king wanker. Oh yes. Oh yes.
Considering he's trying to grasp the subject, is a little angry about it, and he had no idea what the questions were going to be, I have no problem with his use of the English language.
Yes, you have a good point sir. Variety is not exactly conductive to current record corporation practices. This is not exactly their fault, as they can't throw a ton of money into promoting everyone - but we still do not hear the variety on the radio or outer music outlets. Therefore if we are not given this variety by music companies, we will seek out this variety through other channels as we become aware of that which is available. This, of course, is not a rationalization of stealing, but a logical explanation of my current behavior in sampling music over the internet for free. Given perfect information, I now make much more rational choices - as opposed to running out and buying a cd after hearing one song, or terrible clips from a few select songs off cdnow or amazon. This is, again, not conductive to the business model of large record companies, as they often rely on imperfect information and induced purchasing behavior, through hype.
Although somewhat interesting, the market for legitimate internet based music is somewhat out of reach at this moment due to demographics, potential price points due to free-the-information ideology, and lack of quality hardware to transfer these audio formats - which aren't available yet in somewhat secure incarnations - in the hands of the masses in any acceptable quantities in relation to regular revenues. Of course someone has to beat the path -- but they can't do that yet until the secure music technology is there.
Since this is the internet, there will no doubt be many enthusiast sites introducing hack 42, to "secure" music version # whatever. This is fundamentally different than regular channels, as television music is a one way medium which is obviously interested in keeping industry order.
They could also drive these news systems into the underground through the use of fear. They could use fear by threatening a number of users or their ISP's. This fear would drive this congregation of people to split up into secretive servers, possibly closed or password protected sites, etc, just like IRC and FTP. I'm guessing the napster community has, also, in the past been self protective through errant assertions that it is right because of the big evil record companies looming over head, ready to steal your money out of your pocket, as well as the artists pocket.
Morality is not universal, because order is not only created by biological determinism, but social constructs. This is obvious to you.
However, I differ on your understanding that we as humans are willing to change our minds in this case if prevented with a logical flow of ideas. The reality, however, is that we follow law because of consequences if we break it. I download music off the internet for free, from a large band that either has a ton of money or is in a far off place, and there is no way in hell that anyone can arrest me for this behavior - or I go buy it in a store for 15 dollars. Let's see. Hmm.
"that the industry doesn't artificially inflate their prices"
Well this is already obvious. There are multiple intermediaries here all gleaning a profit. Customers are obviously willing to buy these products because they would have nothing else otherwise. Large record companies also collude to raise prices through forcing recommended and minimum retail prices. These intermediaries obviously are interested in money. They have no interest in the bands. This is why volume and the lowest common denominator are stressed. It is also why there is a lot of money in promotion, demifying, and engineering acts. Without the promotion and demifying, they are just another music band. That's how advertising and promotion works. Lurking behind every major act, there are a number of decent unknown bands.
Of course, in the case of mainstream music, which is mostly nonsensical lyrics and sex appeal, you are nothing without promotion. They can't rely on regular social congregations like techno/trance does, and they can't rely on crazy youth social movements like punk and goth do (and interestingly bands of this genre do very will with promotion over the internet).
No, I'm sorry, napster is built to facilitate piracy. They may pretend that it is just an unwanted unpredictable result, but then they would be liars.
Heh heh. It's even more funny because it's not even hyperbole.
"But I also believe that the jokes are symptomatic of a tendency to assume that one's own field is the important one, and that it's not that hard and people could do it if they really tried"
...
Why yes. Mathematicians make fun of physicists for their tentative theoretical non sense (did you hear the one about all the physicists that were hired to calculate hedge funds?..), then there's the physicists who are explaining everything in the universe, so everyone else is "just a stamp collector". And then there's
Thank you for that trite jab at a recorded conversation.
Irrelevant. The quality is good enough for the vast majority of listeners. If not, they would just encode it in 256+kbps, as opposed to the 192kbps average encoding rate of group rips today, and the 128kbps and 160kbps encoding rate of the vast majority of mp3's out there.
'Real' revenue is created by large ad campaigns and promotion that grabs casual listeners. Value added products would only attract a certain demographic, which precludes sales volume.
I completely agree with you here. Mr. Ulrich certainly understands that this is an issue of scope. This scope is achieved through an easy to use program that allows thousands to congregate and trade pirated material. If napster were destroyed, it might at least temporarily prevent the average user from using such networks. IRC and FTP certainly have a learning curve that most casual users would not traverse. Copy protection is supposed to stop the majority from stealing. There will always be the few and there will hopefully always be fair use.
Translation: defeat napster and other copyright pillager tools, and you defeat most users.
At least, until someone makes something like gnutella on windows and makes it easy.
Please explain yourself and I may reconsider my valuation of your being a moron.
Close enough to CD quality that the average person does not notice. It also does not degrade when copying.
Thank you, Good bye.
Close enough to CD quality that the average person does not notice. It also does not degrade when copying. Thank you, Good bye.