That's why you have 1.0.x releases, so they can fix bugs. I don't hope they fix bugs before adding more features. I like the current model. They add features when they feel like it, and fix bugs when they need to be fixed. You could always do your part, search bugzilla for your bug, and file a report if your bug is not reported yet. That would be very helpful fixing your bug for 1.0.8 or 1.0.9 , but shouldn't bother the guys implementing new features like automatic updates. When they have the next release ready for release, they have the fixes for the bugs ready in the 1.0.x trunk. That way, everybody gets to work in whatever they want, and bugs are fixed too.
PS: I believe what is happening to you might not actually be a bug, but a bug search might help you be sure, too.
Incidentally, I'm using 1.5b1, and it seems to work well. But I'm a serial upgrader;-)
It's not that bad, I am using 1.0.7 right now and 1.5b1 in the other machine I have on the KVM switch. I guess that makes me a parallel upgrader, right?
I believe it's not same people. Collossal amounts of publicity goe into trying to make people believe that copying MP3 is theft. Those people come to slashdot later, and repeat it. Many regulars point them out that they are wrong (wrong in the legal sense of wrong, the english language definition of "theft" can be argued, but not much, anyway). Nothing else. It's just a little public service of deprogramming.
On the moral side... it's a difficult deal. You give your money to despicable people so they keep cutting your freedom, and a little bit to the artist you like, or you just pull the mp3s from edonkey? If that was my dilemma, I think I would like to get my mp3, and donate at the artist website, just to keep from making bussiness with recording companies. Here where I live, in Uruguay, I have bought lots of CDs from the artists themeselves, and I have gone to lots of shows, but I have most of their music in MP3 . Universal is not getting any of my money, other than what I spend at the movies.
That is exactly the problem. As the car is physical, taking it for a joyride does have consequences, because the guy lost the opportunity to use it, even if he didn't want to use it. You can get him in trouble with his wife, with the car been seen in some undisclosed make-out area. The guy might not be happy with the wear-and-tear deal. Maybe he wants to be sure that his car is driven a certain way. The problem is that you are taking a physical object away from the owner. No analogy you make would work, because it's fundamentally different, another thing, to copy content, than to steal stuff. Everybody understands that, that's why the law still says it's not theft. Of course, that can change according to the needs of the lawmakers. And you can't say that the way people copy content is new, because it was invented gutenberg built the printing press, and the debate started right there. It's pretty much the same deal, only that copyright was needed back then, to protect you from editors. Now that we don't need editors, copyright is pretty much useless. Copyright wasn't made to keep your content from reaching the users, it's the opposite. The whole idea is to encourage people to share by a temporary monopoly, so everybody gets the content.
It's just a way of saying that taking into account that countries should be independent, the whole responsibility of having a good government falls in the people. That way, people have the government they deserve, because they pay a huge price if they don't take care of their freedom, or if they don't get it back when some groups take over. In the case of '70s latin american dictatorships, people who fought them, got their freedom back much easier, because they earned it. In the case of more modern eroding of rights, people who just sit and do nothing, do deserve to lose their freedom, in comparison with those who do actually care and do something.
Aside from that, that whole shit of some other guy coming in and "liberating" other countries is a fallacy. You get to be free in a country that isn't. It's orders of magnitude worse.
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Your comment sounds very naive (or trollish FUD, more likely).
Sharing the same set of libraries across all applicaitons. If you upgrade a single DLL, it fixes all the apps that use that library. Also breaks them sometimes.
Hm.... Not true. On GNU/Linux, there are shared libraries that are actually shared, and you can have different generations of the same library. You can't do that wih DLLs
Allows applicaitons to integrate at a very close level without knowing anything about each other at build time (most importantly, imbedding an app inside word so that it's display becomes part of your document, and the data is actually saved in your document file)
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh Ole/ActiveX/XXX , you say? well, they didn't manage to implement that in a secure way. And it forces you to install fat clients everywhere you view the document. It's a maintenance nightmare. It just doesn't scale. It looks nice, though.
The main thing about windows is that it's not Unix. Unix developers are, in general, bad at interfaces. Period. Every time I work with an app where the develoeprs came from a unix background, I'm unhappy with it.
Your personal experience might be unique, of course. In my personal experience, everyone can code for MSWindows, and it shows. Nero Burning ROM. All antivirus packages. Powerpoint. That's examples of flawed interfaces. Ok/Cancel dialogs, don't get me started on those! How can a person I make a decision over a complex action, when the cnfirmation dialog says that an error has ocurred, and I have to choose "Yes", "No" or "Cancel". And that _is_ your mswindows world.
This doesn't mean I hate every open source app, but the concept that command lines are okay or necessary, that you need to give every option to the user, that you need to allow serious configurability, all falicies.
Command line is not necessary, it's just useful and much easier for integration or bundling (it's a parallel to that OLE stuff) that lets you have se best backends with the GUI of your choice.
Apple developers go too far in the other directon.
Windows is a fair balance actually.
Windows is the worst of both worlds. You have no command line, no "man", software doesn't work, no good selection of free software, you pay licenses, but on the other hand, your applications are too complex and badly designed.
Of course, but that would be something in te vicinity of 1 dollar per account. And you would have a 80k/year person taking care of your accounts. hmmm.... As opposed to having a 30k/year + some licensing money, and then having a less qualified admin. I believe there is some value associated to having competent people that you can put in your TCO calculation.
I don't think I made myself clear. What I actually meant was that you don't get to only complain about your form of government. Just saying that it's non representative of your opinion doesn't make you any less responsible of its actions. As complex as your form of government may be, you can always change the government that represents you, by actually changing it, or at least changing the place where you live. Claiming to be against stuff does not make you any less responsible. Saying that it's too hard to change it doesn't, either.
How can I be offtopic when I am answering another posters reply/question, deep down in a thread? Of course it's not on the original topic, but the whole idea is that we discuss here whatever we want to discuss. This article in particular, provided a discussion with different shades of seriousness about nudity and freedom of expression. I don't think that "offtopic" applies here. I believe we just need better metamoderation. Anyway, other than some super-being metamoderating at will, I can't come up with a better proposal for metamoderation that what we have right now.
I'm from Uruguay, and I strongly disagree with lots of stuff about my government. Nevertheless, I am aware of the fact that my responsibility in changing aspects of my government I don't like is crucial. We had a military dictatorship from 1973 to 1985, not much compared to the region, but bad enough, and I believe most people here are to blame for the atrocities the government commited, if only because they didn't care to do anything against it. About a very bad economical situation my country is going through, I believe that peoples bad judgement is the cause, political leaders only do what they are capable of, it's our responsibility to choose the right ones. After all, people have the government they deserve.
I always find it amusing how American's call us British people "reserved", yet they freak out at a nipple on TV, or, gasp, a few "naked" people showing nothing but a bit of skin and hugging each other.
That's just a very vocal minority that has way too much influence in the government. Most people here are not uptight, controlling, assholes.
But you are behind what your government does, at least in democracy. If your government acts as uptight and controlling, it reflects on you.
In my experience, making mswindows installers for software has been a PITA. You need to make the installer, and then try it in different platforms, only to find that they have different versions of the dll you rely on, and that just overwriting it will break other functionality. Of course, that behavior must have lead to sophisticated installers, and knowledgeable packaging people, that in turn _do_ produce good mswindows installers. Of course, those _do_ cost money, and it seems that some "third party" providers don't like spending money on them. I don't suffer that a lot, because I hardly have the need to install proprietary software (I installed Oracle 10i once for a client, and have the nvidia GLX driver, and Flash plugin files copied to $FIREFOX_HOME/plugins ), but I believe it's a matter of resources spent in making the installer, and not so much on the platform underneath.
Your mean he will have a paper clip in his belly button? how girly!
Re:How can you vouche for the security of this?
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The whole issue was security updates.
Functionality backports don't happen that far back in time, but most importantly, nobody is discussing them.
February 2004, 2.0.40 was released to fix a security issue. That was the last release, and the last commonly know vulnerability.
Anyway, I was just confirming that Winnt 4.0 - Linux 2.0 are actually contemporary.
Re:How can you vouche for the security of this?
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Although you are comparing apples to orange, because Linux is a kernel, and Windows NT an OS / commercial product, and as such much more difficult to just upgrade to the next version.
(e.g. in my case, migrating from Linux kernel 2.2 to 2.4 didn't require a reinstall of the OS or applications.)
Well, the other issue is that you don't resent administering your windows box, because you already know how to use it, and it doesn't hurt. My girlfriend uses Firefox, Gnome, OpenOffice, GNU/Linux, and I am the administrator, and she doesn't have any usability problems. The problem you have is that you just don't care about administering Windows, but you dont't like administering Linux. Use Ubuntu:)
In firefox the OK/Cancel buttons are not reversed. There is such thing as a correct placement of the buttons, and the one firefox uses it the correct one. You might be accustomed to other arrangement, but that would be the worng arrangement, and you are just not used to the right arrangement. In fact, you really are prone to mistakes when using the wrong arrangement, and that is why it it thw wrogn arrangement. In fact, I don't recall Ok/Cancel buttons on Firefox , I recall dialogs in the sense of "Cancel"/"Perform some action". Ok/Cancel doesn't mean anything. That's why you don't find it in firefox.
Ever heard of a river? a windmill? There are ways to get energy from nature. We usualy dissmiss them because they are no good for elecricity generation, but it might work for this.
Or maybe the use of open standards (BSD, MP3, AGP) was important for that rise.
Subtitles for the acronym-apple challenged: BSD openness is good, because it is a viable platform for big tool developers. Not a new platform, but an open, proved platform. MP3 is crucial to ipod, of course, who would buy a WMA only player? few people. The whole idea is open standards there.
AGP, well, NVidia doesnt' have a great cost for developing great video cards for them, in some licensed bus. Thats a sensible idea, and another reason why you need open standards to exist. Look at notebooks, that have a hard time getting good video boards, because of the lack of good widely accepted standards, among lots of other things.
The whole idea is that right now, an apple computer is just a PC, it has the same connectors, the same interfaces, the same network standards, they keep a bit closed, and can live with it, but even right now they are going the x86 way, that will eventually force more openness on them.
What does that mean, "hispanic"? I believe they asked me something like that when I traveled to the US. I found it somewhat insulting. I am of course hispanic, if that means I am from a spanish speaking country, but there is no such thing as "hispanic". If they mean color, I don't know, I'm pale pink. There was no such option. América (the continent) has people of all ethnicities. Natives, Africans, and Europeans. "hispanic" doesn't define any of us.
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That's why you have 1.0.x releases, so they can fix bugs.
I don't hope they fix bugs before adding more features. I like the current model. They add features when they feel like it, and fix bugs when they need to be fixed.
You could always do your part, search bugzilla for your bug, and file a report if your bug is not reported yet. That would be very helpful fixing your bug for 1.0.8 or 1.0.9 , but shouldn't bother the guys implementing new features like automatic updates. When they have the next release ready for release, they have the fixes for the bugs ready in the 1.0.x trunk. That way, everybody gets to work in whatever they want, and bugs are fixed too.
PS: I believe what is happening to you might not actually be a bug, but a bug search might help you be sure, too.
Incidentally, I'm using 1.5b1, and it seems to work well. But I'm a serial upgrader ;-)
It's not that bad, I am using 1.0.7 right now and 1.5b1 in the other machine I have on the KVM switch. I guess that makes me a parallel upgrader, right?
I believe it's not same people.
Collossal amounts of publicity goe into trying to make people believe that copying MP3 is theft.
Those people come to slashdot later, and repeat it.
Many regulars point them out that they are wrong (wrong in the legal sense of wrong, the english language definition of "theft" can be argued, but not much, anyway).
Nothing else.
It's just a little public service of deprogramming.
On the moral side... it's a difficult deal. You give your money to despicable people so they keep cutting your freedom, and a little bit to the artist you like, or you just pull the mp3s from edonkey?
If that was my dilemma, I think I would like to get my mp3, and donate at the artist website, just to keep from making bussiness with recording companies. Here where I live, in Uruguay, I have bought lots of CDs from the artists themeselves, and I have gone to lots of shows, but I have most of their music in MP3 . Universal is not getting any of my money, other than what I spend at the movies.
That is exactly the problem.
As the car is physical, taking it for a joyride does have consequences, because the guy lost the opportunity to use it, even if he didn't want to use it. You can get him in trouble with his wife, with the car been seen in some undisclosed make-out area.
The guy might not be happy with the wear-and-tear deal.
Maybe he wants to be sure that his car is driven a certain way.
The problem is that you are taking a physical object away from the owner.
No analogy you make would work, because it's fundamentally different, another thing, to copy content, than to steal stuff. Everybody understands that, that's why the law still says it's not theft. Of course, that can change according to the needs of the lawmakers.
And you can't say that the way people copy content is new, because it was invented gutenberg built the printing press, and the debate started right there.
It's pretty much the same deal, only that copyright was needed back then, to protect you from editors. Now that we don't need editors, copyright is pretty much useless. Copyright wasn't made to keep your content from reaching the users, it's the opposite. The whole idea is to encourage people to share by a temporary monopoly, so everybody gets the content.
Of course nobody does.
It's just a way of saying that taking into account that countries should be independent, the whole responsibility of having a good government falls in the people. That way, people have the government they deserve, because they pay a huge price if they don't take care of their freedom, or if they don't get it back when some groups take over. In the case of '70s latin american dictatorships, people who fought them, got their freedom back much easier, because they earned it. In the case of more modern eroding of rights, people who just sit and do nothing, do deserve to lose their freedom, in comparison with those who do actually care and do something.
Aside from that, that whole shit of some other guy coming in and "liberating" other countries is a fallacy. You get to be free in a country that isn't. It's orders of magnitude worse.
Your comment sounds very naive (or trollish FUD, more likely).
Sharing the same set of libraries across all applicaitons. If you upgrade a single DLL, it fixes all the apps that use that library. Also breaks them sometimes.
Hm....
Not true. On GNU/Linux, there are shared libraries that are actually shared, and you can have different generations of the same library. You can't do that wih DLLs
Allows applicaitons to integrate at a very close level without knowing anything about each other at build time (most importantly, imbedding an app inside word so that it's display becomes part of your document, and the data is actually saved in your document file)
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ole/ActiveX/XXX , you say? well, they didn't manage to implement that in a secure way.
And it forces you to install fat clients everywhere you view the document. It's a maintenance nightmare. It just doesn't scale. It looks nice, though.
The main thing about windows is that it's not Unix. Unix developers are, in general, bad at interfaces. Period. Every time I work with an app where the develoeprs came from a unix background, I'm unhappy with it.
Your personal experience might be unique, of course.
In my personal experience, everyone can code for MSWindows, and it shows.
Nero Burning ROM. All antivirus packages. Powerpoint. That's examples of flawed interfaces.
Ok/Cancel dialogs, don't get me started on those! How can a person I make a decision over a complex action, when the cnfirmation dialog says that an error has ocurred, and I have to choose "Yes", "No" or "Cancel".
And that _is_ your mswindows world.
This doesn't mean I hate every open source app, but the concept that command lines are okay or necessary, that you need to give every option to the user, that you need to allow serious configurability, all falicies.
Command line is not necessary, it's just useful and much easier for integration or bundling (it's a parallel to that OLE stuff) that lets you have se best backends with the GUI of your choice.
Apple developers go too far in the other directon.
Windows is a fair balance actually.
Windows is the worst of both worlds.
You have no command line, no "man", software doesn't work, no good selection of free software, you pay licenses, but on the other hand, your applications are too complex and badly designed.
Of course, but that would be something in te vicinity of 1 dollar per account.
And you would have a 80k/year person taking care of your accounts.
hmmm....
As opposed to having a 30k/year + some licensing money, and then having a less qualified admin.
I believe there is some value associated to having competent people that you can put in your TCO calculation.
I don't think I made myself clear.
What I actually meant was that you don't get to only complain about your form of government.
Just saying that it's non representative of your opinion doesn't make you any less responsible of its actions.
As complex as your form of government may be, you can always change the government that represents you, by actually changing it, or at least changing the place where you live.
Claiming to be against stuff does not make you any less responsible. Saying that it's too hard to change it doesn't, either.
How can I be offtopic when I am answering another posters reply/question, deep down in a thread?
Of course it's not on the original topic, but the whole idea is that we discuss here whatever we want to discuss. This article in particular, provided a discussion with different shades of seriousness about nudity and freedom of expression. I don't think that "offtopic" applies here.
I believe we just need better metamoderation.
Anyway, other than some super-being metamoderating at will, I can't come up with a better proposal for metamoderation that what we have right now.
See? that was actually an off-topic rant.
I'm from Uruguay, and I strongly disagree with lots of stuff about my government.
Nevertheless, I am aware of the fact that my responsibility in changing aspects of my government I don't like is crucial. We had a military dictatorship from 1973 to 1985, not much compared to the region, but bad enough, and I believe most people here are to blame for the atrocities the government commited, if only because they didn't care to do anything against it.
About a very bad economical situation my country is going through, I believe that peoples bad judgement is the cause, political leaders only do what they are capable of, it's our responsibility to choose the right ones. After all, people have the government they deserve.
I always find it amusing how American's call us British people "reserved", yet they freak out at a nipple on TV, or, gasp, a few "naked" people showing nothing but a bit of skin and hugging each other.
That's just a very vocal minority that has way too much influence in the government. Most people here are not uptight, controlling, assholes.
But you are behind what your government does, at least in democracy. If your government acts as uptight and controlling, it reflects on you.
In my experience, making mswindows installers for software has been a PITA.
You need to make the installer, and then try it in different platforms, only to find that they have different versions of the dll you rely on, and that just overwriting it will break other functionality.
Of course, that behavior must have lead to sophisticated installers, and knowledgeable packaging people, that in turn _do_ produce good mswindows installers. Of course, those _do_ cost money, and it seems that some "third party" providers don't like spending money on them. I don't suffer that a lot, because I hardly have the need to install proprietary software (I installed Oracle 10i once for a client, and have the nvidia GLX driver, and Flash plugin files copied to $FIREFOX_HOME/plugins ), but I believe it's a matter of resources spent in making the installer, and not so much on the platform underneath.
Your mean he will have a paper clip in his belly button? how girly!
The whole issue was security updates.
Functionality backports don't happen that far back in time, but most importantly, nobody is discussing them.
February 2004, 2.0.40 was released to fix a security issue. That was the last release, and the last commonly know vulnerability.
Anyway, I was just confirming that Winnt 4.0 - Linux 2.0 are actually contemporary.
Although you are comparing apples to orange, because Linux is a kernel, and Windows NT an OS / commercial product, and as such much more difficult to just upgrade to the next version.
(e.g. in my case, migrating from Linux kernel 2.2 to 2.4 didn't require a reinstall of the OS or applications.)
Linux kernel 2.0.1.
Release date: July, 1996
linux-2.0.1.tar.bz2 02-Jul-1996 17:00 4.5M
Relase date: July, 1996.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT_4.0
Windows NT 4.0 is no older than Linux 2.0. Get the facts (TM).
Well, the other issue is that you don't resent administering your windows box, because you already know how to use it, and it doesn't hurt. :)
My girlfriend uses Firefox, Gnome, OpenOffice, GNU/Linux, and I am the administrator, and she doesn't have any usability problems.
The problem you have is that you just don't care about administering Windows, but you dont't like administering Linux. Use Ubuntu
In firefox the OK/Cancel buttons are not reversed.
There is such thing as a correct placement of the buttons, and the one firefox uses it the correct one.
You might be accustomed to other arrangement, but that would be the worng arrangement, and you are just not used to the right arrangement. In fact, you really are prone to mistakes when using the wrong arrangement, and that is why it it thw wrogn arrangement.
In fact, I don't recall Ok/Cancel buttons on Firefox , I recall dialogs in the sense of "Cancel"/"Perform some action". Ok/Cancel doesn't mean anything. That's why you don't find it in firefox.
Ever heard of a river? a windmill?
There are ways to get energy from nature.
We usualy dissmiss them because they are no good for elecricity generation, but it might work for this.
I am not a native english speaker, and I had to lookup that last word. My first reaction was: do they pay them to do that to eachother?
You mean this shitty cacoon is made of caca? yuk!
Please get over your irrational fears.
In Soviet Russia, Floating Nuclear Plants irrationally fear YOU!
The new GPL will try to address that.
It's not a bad idea to only play with people that play nice with you.
Or maybe the use of open standards (BSD, MP3, AGP) was important for that rise.
Subtitles for the acronym-apple challenged:
BSD openness is good, because it is a viable platform for big tool developers. Not a new platform, but an open, proved platform.
MP3 is crucial to ipod, of course, who would buy a WMA only player? few people. The whole idea is open standards there.
AGP, well, NVidia doesnt' have a great cost for developing great video cards for them, in some licensed bus. Thats a sensible idea, and another reason why you need open standards to exist.
Look at notebooks, that have a hard time getting good video boards, because of the lack of good widely accepted standards, among lots of other things.
The whole idea is that right now, an apple computer is just a PC, it has the same connectors, the same interfaces, the same network standards, they keep a bit closed, and can live with it, but even right now they are going the x86 way, that will eventually force more openness on them.
If you want to be sure, you keep a couple shots, in case the "target" gets up again.
What does that mean, "hispanic"?
I believe they asked me something like that when I traveled to the US.
I found it somewhat insulting.
I am of course hispanic, if that means I am from a spanish speaking country, but there is no such thing as "hispanic". If they mean color, I don't know, I'm pale pink. There was no such option.
América (the continent) has people of all ethnicities. Natives, Africans, and Europeans.
"hispanic" doesn't define any of us.