Even if they did, I'd wonder what point that is supposed to prove.
It's supposed to prove that (off the thinly traded BTC exchanges), few BTC transactions are for the purchase of everyday goods and services. Of course, it doesn't actually prove that, but it raises an important question.
Conversly, "ZOMG, O.CO accepts BTC!!!" doesn't prove that people are actually using BTC to purchase anything from O.CO.
If Byrne wants to promote BTC, let him disclose O.CO's BTC sales every quarter.
What's that sound over your head? Hint: re-read 3rd paragraph of GP.
Maybe the readers here are just too old and conservative and it will never happen, like most old people will never use internet or smartphones or online-banking. I guess when you are of some age you are too old to learn and endorse new technologies.
I'm tempted to blather on about how some of a certain age are foolish idiots who wouldn't make it past 30 if things got real - but that would be stoopid. Besides, your post "makes me giggle".
They got over $10,000 worth of BTC in the first hour and they convert 100% to dollars immediately with Coinbase.com taking the risk.
I hope you don't mind that I'm not going to take your word on that, unless you can prove you're working in the overstock.com treasury department. Otherwise, citation needed.
It's a zero sum game if virtually all BTC transactions occur on the BTC to fiat exchanges, where no wealth is created.
The bitcoin network has obviously created wealth in the world.
That remains to be seen, but if you have some numbers to back up that assertion, let's see them.
What does it matter that Overstock is immediately converting bitcoins to USD? That still means that bitcoins are being used as a... wait for it... medium of exchange.
Huh? Who said anything about overstock converting BTC to USD? What they do with their BTC receipts (if any) was not addressed in my post. Back on topic, just because overstock.com has announced their acceptance of BTC doesn't mean anyone has actually paid them in BTC.
You do realize that people speculate in other currencies, too, right?
Loud-mouthed fool.
And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? You do know that speculation is, by definition, a zero sum game...right?
When thinking of good models to emulate, are you thinking more of Egypt Revolution 1.0, which got taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood, or of Egypt Revolution 2.0, which got taken over by the military?
At this point, I trust the US military WAY MORE than I trust ANY of the three branches of our civilian government.
AC: JFC, RTFA. [Jesus Fucking Christ, Read The Fucking Article]
West Virginia law does NOT (currently) exclude Sci Fi literature from WV curriculum. The law this WV idiot is proposing is this:
ARTICLE 2. STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION.
18-2-7d. Science fiction reading material to be included in curriculum to stimulate interest in math and science.
The Legislature finds that promoting interest in and appreciation for the study of math and science among students is critical to preparing students to compete in the workforce and to assure the economic well being of the state and the nation. To stimulate interest in math and science among students in the public schools of this state, the State Board of Education shall prescribe minimum standards by which samples of grade-appropriate science fiction literature are integrated into the curriculum of existing reading, literature or other required courses for middle school and high school students.
While I won't argue against the intent of the law, the way it's written is complete BS. NOTING GOOD WILL COME OF IT.
Actually, I'd say this is the correct level of curriculum decision by legislators....
Except that "SciFi" isn't a curriculum, it's a genre. Forcing teachers/schools/districts/states to teach a particular genre (instead of IDEAS) will just make things worse.
Given that your claims in this thread have been so thoroughly debunked, I can see why you're upset. But there's no reason to use profanity. : )
If you re-read my two word post, you'll find that I'm not actually complaining - I was simply expressing relief. You see, I'm the type of person who hates to see someone completely and utterly embarrass themselves in such a loud and public manner. I mean really, a "NOTICE TO READERS:" post? Classic.
By all means, keep posting. In a way, you're becoming less sad and more entertaining. But not in a good way.
Claiming Adbusters speaks for Occupy movements worldwide is like claiming Rush Limbaugh speaks for all conservatives in the US.
While Adbusters (in concert with Workhouse) may have provided a spark to ignite OWS, I see no evidence that OWS, other US Occupy movements, or other Occupy movements worldwide have completely adopted Adbusters' agenda. I see no evidence that Occupy movements look to Adbusters as their primary media outlet/spokesperson. Quite the opposite, if you look at occupywallst.org, there is precious little mention of Adbusters outside of the site's forums - where Adbusters is frequently ridiculed.
Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally. #ows is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to fight back against the richest 1% of people that are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future.
There seems to be no mention of Adbusters.
"Occupy folks" aren't some kinda monolithic group subscribing to a rigid ideological agenda with a single publication acting as their Pravda. You really should open your mind to the idea that many (if not most) of the movements have matured beyond the radical positions Adbusters promotes. You also might want to consider the possibility that the US government's treatment of large financial institutions following the crisis is an affront to capitalist ideals, and is something that *should* be protested.
Want to know how the super wealthy "hide" their money in off shore accounts? Call an off shore bank and ask? They'll be happy to tell you. For a couple hundred bucks they'll even set up the company for you and open an account.
Problem is, you'll need to get money into your account somehow. To do so will take a wire transfer that the IRS will be notified about. Going the other direction would also take a wire transfer, that the IRS will be notified about.
Both your post and citations miss the point entirely. The IRS doesn't tax deposits in offshore banks - or deposits in any other banks for that matter. It doesn't tax transactions from one bank to another. The IRS taxes income reported on a form. Just because the IRS gets notified of a $5000 transfer from Nevis Corp XYZ to Jersey Corp 789 really doesn't mean squat when it comes to determining a tax liability.
These accounts are only small pieces of larger, unbelievably complex financial structures designed to shelter [hide] income/capital gains from tax authorities - and only wealthy corporations and individuals can afford the armies of accountants and tax attorneys required to create and administer them.
Your claim that this is a non-story seems to imply that all is well. All is not well.
Of course, the Occupy folks don't care about this, as their true, stated aim was simply opposing capitalism, "consumerism", and pitting Americans against Americans in some kind of imagined class warfare...
ORLY? Where is this "true stated aim" of the Occupy movement published? I can't seem to find a single message *from them* that unifies the US flavors of the movement - much less an agreed upon message for the rest of the world. Perhaps you may have simply taken the word of your preferred "news" outlet as to the goals of the movement?
Oh wait...you think that the Occupy movement is just a US thingy, don't you? Isn't that just adorable! Pro tip 1: the Occupy folks in Armenia/Australia/Belgium/Canada/Colombia/Czech Republic/Cyprus/Denmark/France/Germany/Hong Kong/Italy/Malaysia/Mexico/Mongolia/Netherlands/New Zealand/Nigeria/Norway/Republic of Ireland/South Africa/South Korea/Spain/Switzerland don't give a rats ass about pitting Americans against Americans in some kind of imagined class warfare. Pro tip 2: what's been going on in the US bears little (if any) resemblance to capitalism.
No one gives a fuck about your bitcoin mining problems. You must be a special kind of retard to have problems with nvidia drivers, nothing could be simpler. Don't buy shit motherboards perhaps? I don't know....except that I do. Zero problems here, ever, going all the way back to the original TNT. The same can not be said about ATI/AMD.
I don't mine bitcoins. If I did, I certainly wouldn't use nVidia GPUs. nVidia's architecture just isn't well suited for that type of workload. I participate in GPUGRID (CUDA) and World Community Grid (CPU/OpenCL). Please consider volunteering some of your excess CPU/GPU capacity to these worthy BOINC based projects.
As far as motherboards go, I'm currently running 6...all of which have been crunching DC projects 24/7 for about the last 2 years. Doesn't that indicate my motherboards aren't shitty? Or am I still being retarded?
You want to talk about heat/power problems? Fine, explain the Thunderbird to us all.
Uh, no...no I don't want to talk about heat/power problems. But you seem to, and I'd love to read your musings on the topic. I would only read, because I would never presume to engage in a debate with someone of your intellectual capacity. In any case, thanks for taking the time to grace me with your wisdom and experience. I truly feel smarter after reading your post. You must be part of Slashdot's special retard enlightenment task force.
Couldn't agree more. To be clear, I'm not defending AMD on this. They've owned ATI for long enough to have addressed the issue. But IMO, the claim made in the headline doesn't pass my sniff test. Smells like FUD to me.
Which is exactly the point I was trying to make. Your experience or my experience or the sum of/. experience doesn't mean squat. In the end, it's all anecdotal.
ps - would it be possible for one of you fine Slashxperts to link to documentation on how many times this blatant deficiency in AMD driver quality has been exploited?
Constantly. ASLR was designed to disable existing malware and buffer overflow shellcodes, requiring that new, smarter malware be written from scratch. Effectively, disabling ASLR ensures that the legacy of simple Win95-compatible hacks will continue to function correctly on Windows 7.
If you can point me to data showing AMD-equipped systems have higher rates of becoming compromised than non-AMD systems, please do so.
While I would agree that AMD system are more vulnerable to attack because of ASLR incompatibility, I'm certainly not convinced AMD systems are more "unsafe" than others.
Because of this deficiency in AMD driver, windows kernel cannot use ASLR. So pretty every virus/malware that depends on Address Location could have been prevented. And lot of virus and malware do.
I understand/agree with your point, but when I see a headline like the one made in the OP, I think someone's trying to convince someone else that the sky is falling.
I guess what I was trying to get at was: is there data that supports the claim made in the headline? In particular, has it been shown that AMD equipped systems have higher rates of becoming compromised than non-AMD systems? If such a premise was demonstrably proven, I think AMD might move ASLR compatibility up their priority list.
And frankly, I'm sick of people claiming one manufacturer's drivers suck and the other's don't based on their own personal experience. Amazing that so many don't realize how stupid they sound.
After owning half a dozen ATI cards over the years (currently using an AMD 7970 in my main rig), I had no idea how crappy AMD drivers were. Just because I've had more trouble with nVidia drivers on the 3 GTX275s and 2 GTX570s I currently use for GPU computing doesn't mean a thing, because that's just anecdotal evidence...right?
Luckily I came across this thread with all the hard data on AMD vs nVidia driver quality before it was too late. Thanks Slashdot!
ps - would it be possible for one of you fine Slashxperts to link to documentation on how many times this blatant deficiency in AMD driver quality has been exploited? (shouldn't be too difficult, since it's been 5+ years since ASLR was implemented in MS operating systems)
The reason nobody patented it before is that it is NOT actually more efficient and the production setup is overly complex for the job. Read my analysis above.
And the reason a 7th grader gets a provisional patent for his work is NOT because his idea leads to more efficiency - IT"S FOR FRIGGIN ENCOURAGEMENT.
What's the matter, mommie didn't love you? You weren't breast-fed?
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Even if they did, I'd wonder what point that is supposed to prove.
It's supposed to prove that (off the thinly traded BTC exchanges), few BTC transactions are for the purchase of everyday goods and services. Of course, it doesn't actually prove that, but it raises an important question.
Conversly, "ZOMG, O.CO accepts BTC!!!" doesn't prove that people are actually using BTC to purchase anything from O.CO.
If Byrne wants to promote BTC, let him disclose O.CO's BTC sales every quarter.
What's that sound over your head? Hint: re-read 3rd paragraph of GP.
Maybe the readers here are just too old and conservative and it will never happen, like most old people will never use internet or smartphones or online-banking. I guess when you are of some age you are too old to learn and endorse new technologies.
I'm tempted to blather on about how some of a certain age are foolish idiots who wouldn't make it past 30 if things got real - but that would be stoopid. Besides, your post "makes me giggle".
This. Unfortunately some idiots with mod points (but without a sense of humor) have trashed an otherwise superlative post.
They got over $10,000 worth of BTC in the first hour and they convert 100% to dollars immediately with Coinbase.com taking the risk.
I hope you don't mind that I'm not going to take your word on that, unless you can prove you're working in the overstock.com treasury department. Otherwise, citation needed.
How can it be a zero sum game?
It's a zero sum game if virtually all BTC transactions occur on the BTC to fiat exchanges, where no wealth is created.
The bitcoin network has obviously created wealth in the world.
That remains to be seen, but if you have some numbers to back up that assertion, let's see them.
What does it matter that Overstock is immediately converting bitcoins to USD? That still means that bitcoins are being used as a... wait for it... medium of exchange.
Huh? Who said anything about overstock converting BTC to USD? What they do with their BTC receipts (if any) was not addressed in my post. Back on topic, just because overstock.com has announced their acceptance of BTC doesn't mean anyone has actually paid them in BTC.
You do realize that people speculate in other currencies, too, right?
Loud-mouthed fool.
And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? You do know that speculation is, by definition, a zero sum game...right?
Small minded fool.
When thinking of good models to emulate, are you thinking more of Egypt Revolution 1.0, which got taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood, or of Egypt Revolution 2.0, which got taken over by the military?
At this point, I trust the US military WAY MORE than I trust ANY of the three branches of our civilian government.
I choose Revolution 2.0
NOW.
Groklaw is probably the best site for info on SCO(XQ)
ok...groklaw...looks good for some other stuff too...thankyou
I am enlightened by AC - thx
I'm a /. n00b. WTF is SCO? (link(s) would be helpful)
ARTICLE 2. STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION.
18-2-7d. Science fiction reading material to be included in curriculum to stimulate interest in math and science. The Legislature finds that promoting interest in and appreciation for the study of math and science among students is critical to preparing students to compete in the workforce and to assure the economic well being of the state and the nation. To stimulate interest in math and science among students in the public schools of this state, the State Board of Education shall prescribe minimum standards by which samples of grade-appropriate science fiction literature are integrated into the curriculum of existing reading, literature or other required courses for middle school and high school students.
While I won't argue against the intent of the law, the way it's written is complete BS. NOTING GOOD WILL COME OF IT.
Actually, I'd say this is the correct level of curriculum decision by legislators....
Except that "SciFi" isn't a curriculum, it's a genre. Forcing teachers/schools/districts/states to teach a particular genre (instead of IDEAS) will just make things worse.
Wow. You really can't help yourself, can you?
Given that your claims in this thread have been so thoroughly debunked, I can see why you're upset. But there's no reason to use profanity. : )
If you re-read my two word post, you'll find that I'm not actually complaining - I was simply expressing relief. You see, I'm the type of person who hates to see someone completely and utterly embarrass themselves in such a loud and public manner. I mean really, a "NOTICE TO READERS:" post? Classic.
By all means, keep posting. In a way, you're becoming less sad and more entertaining. But not in a good way.
Cheers!
As I stated in my reply to your other post: I am done here. I have no desire to repeat myself or argue in circles.
Thank God!
Claiming Adbusters speaks for Occupy movements worldwide is like claiming Rush Limbaugh speaks for all conservatives in the US.
While Adbusters (in concert with Workhouse) may have provided a spark to ignite OWS, I see no evidence that OWS, other US Occupy movements, or other Occupy movements worldwide have completely adopted Adbusters' agenda. I see no evidence that Occupy movements look to Adbusters as their primary media outlet/spokesperson. Quite the opposite, if you look at occupywallst.org, there is precious little mention of Adbusters outside of the site's forums - where Adbusters is frequently ridiculed.
Here's what OWS actually says about their origins:
Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally. #ows is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to fight back against the richest 1% of people that are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future.
There seems to be no mention of Adbusters.
"Occupy folks" aren't some kinda monolithic group subscribing to a rigid ideological agenda with a single publication acting as their Pravda. You really should open your mind to the idea that many (if not most) of the movements have matured beyond the radical positions Adbusters promotes. You also might want to consider the possibility that the US government's treatment of large financial institutions following the crisis is an affront to capitalist ideals, and is something that *should* be protested.
Want to know how the super wealthy "hide" their money in off shore accounts? Call an off shore bank and ask? They'll be happy to tell you. For a couple hundred bucks they'll even set up the company for you and open an account.
Problem is, you'll need to get money into your account somehow. To do so will take a wire transfer that the IRS will be notified about. Going the other direction would also take a wire transfer, that the IRS will be notified about.
Both your post and citations miss the point entirely. The IRS doesn't tax deposits in offshore banks - or deposits in any other banks for that matter. It doesn't tax transactions from one bank to another. The IRS taxes income reported on a form. Just because the IRS gets notified of a $5000 transfer from Nevis Corp XYZ to Jersey Corp 789 really doesn't mean squat when it comes to determining a tax liability.
These accounts are only small pieces of larger, unbelievably complex financial structures designed to shelter [hide] income/capital gains from tax authorities - and only wealthy corporations and individuals can afford the armies of accountants and tax attorneys required to create and administer them.
Your claim that this is a non-story seems to imply that all is well. All is not well.
Of course, the Occupy folks don't care about this, as their true, stated aim was simply opposing capitalism, "consumerism", and pitting Americans against Americans in some kind of imagined class warfare...
ORLY? Where is this "true stated aim" of the Occupy movement published? I can't seem to find a single message *from them* that unifies the US flavors of the movement - much less an agreed upon message for the rest of the world. Perhaps you may have simply taken the word of your preferred "news" outlet as to the goals of the movement?
Oh wait...you think that the Occupy movement is just a US thingy, don't you? Isn't that just adorable! Pro tip 1: the Occupy folks in Armenia/Australia/Belgium/Canada/Colombia/Czech Republic/Cyprus/Denmark/France/Germany/Hong Kong/Italy/Malaysia/Mexico/Mongolia/Netherlands/New Zealand/Nigeria/Norway/Republic of Ireland/South Africa/South Korea/Spain/Switzerland don't give a rats ass about pitting Americans against Americans in some kind of imagined class warfare. Pro tip 2: what's been going on in the US bears little (if any) resemblance to capitalism.
Middle age kids? WTF?
No one gives a fuck about your bitcoin mining problems. You must be a special kind of retard to have problems with nvidia drivers, nothing could be simpler. Don't buy shit motherboards perhaps? I don't know....except that I do. Zero problems here, ever, going all the way back to the original TNT. The same can not be said about ATI/AMD.
I don't mine bitcoins. If I did, I certainly wouldn't use nVidia GPUs. nVidia's architecture just isn't well suited for that type of workload. I participate in GPUGRID (CUDA) and World Community Grid (CPU/OpenCL). Please consider volunteering some of your excess CPU/GPU capacity to these worthy BOINC based projects.
As far as motherboards go, I'm currently running 6...all of which have been crunching DC projects 24/7 for about the last 2 years. Doesn't that indicate my motherboards aren't shitty? Or am I still being retarded?
You want to talk about heat/power problems? Fine, explain the Thunderbird to us all.
Uh, no...no I don't want to talk about heat/power problems. But you seem to, and I'd love to read your musings on the topic. I would only read, because I would never presume to engage in a debate with someone of your intellectual capacity. In any case, thanks for taking the time to grace me with your wisdom and experience. I truly feel smarter after reading your post. You must be part of Slashdot's special retard enlightenment task force.
Couldn't agree more. To be clear, I'm not defending AMD on this. They've owned ATI for long enough to have addressed the issue. But IMO, the claim made in the headline doesn't pass my sniff test. Smells like FUD to me.
Funny, I have the opposite experience.
Which is exactly the point I was trying to make. Your experience or my experience or the sum of /. experience doesn't mean squat. In the end, it's all anecdotal.
ps - would it be possible for one of you fine Slashxperts to link to documentation on how many times this blatant deficiency in AMD driver quality has been exploited?
Constantly. ASLR was designed to disable existing malware and buffer overflow shellcodes, requiring that new, smarter malware be written from scratch. Effectively, disabling ASLR ensures that the legacy of simple Win95-compatible hacks will continue to function correctly on Windows 7.
If you can point me to data showing AMD-equipped systems have higher rates of becoming compromised than non-AMD systems, please do so.
While I would agree that AMD system are more vulnerable to attack because of ASLR incompatibility, I'm certainly not convinced AMD systems are more "unsafe" than others.
Because of this deficiency in AMD driver, windows kernel cannot use ASLR. So pretty every virus/malware that depends on Address Location could have been prevented. And lot of virus and malware do.
I understand/agree with your point, but when I see a headline like the one made in the OP, I think someone's trying to convince someone else that the sky is falling.
I guess what I was trying to get at was: is there data that supports the claim made in the headline? In particular, has it been shown that AMD equipped systems have higher rates of becoming compromised than non-AMD systems? If such a premise was demonstrably proven, I think AMD might move ASLR compatibility up their priority list.
And frankly, I'm sick of people claiming one manufacturer's drivers suck and the other's don't based on their own personal experience. Amazing that so many don't realize how stupid they sound.
After owning half a dozen ATI cards over the years (currently using an AMD 7970 in my main rig), I had no idea how crappy AMD drivers were. Just because I've had more trouble with nVidia drivers on the 3 GTX275s and 2 GTX570s I currently use for GPU computing doesn't mean a thing, because that's just anecdotal evidence...right?
Luckily I came across this thread with all the hard data on AMD vs nVidia driver quality before it was too late. Thanks Slashdot!
ps - would it be possible for one of you fine Slashxperts to link to documentation on how many times this blatant deficiency in AMD driver quality has been exploited? (shouldn't be too difficult, since it's been 5+ years since ASLR was implemented in MS operating systems)
... not legal for an individual to do. [blah blah blah].
So, Rosa Parks was a criminal - right? You fucking fucking moron.
The reason nobody patented it before is that it is NOT actually more efficient and the production setup is overly complex for the job. Read my analysis above.
And the reason a 7th grader gets a provisional patent for his work is NOT because his idea leads to more efficiency - IT"S FOR FRIGGIN ENCOURAGEMENT.
What's the matter, mommie didn't love you? You weren't breast-fed?
One I'm sure Rube Goldberg would be proud of.