Well I imagine that wouldn`t have been much fun for you at all. BECAUSE it would have been SLOW AS HELL!
Now imagine that these Quake and Doom versions runned code identical at similar speeds on x86 Windows, PPC iMac, PPC Classic Amiga, MJAC philips cell phone, etc:)
Imagine what this will mean to coders! Code once run anywhere!!
> Now, for all of these, exactly why do you need or want a GUI?
Easy to use for users. MSDOS users screamed similar things like: "who needs a GUI" when the Amiga was released. Not knowing that the Amiga could also be booted without a GUI and had also an alot better CLI which supported long file names and spaces, wildcars, etc. and KingCon could add XTerm like features to it as well.
A GUI is essential for any multimedia computer! And being the best Multimedia is their primary objective.
Some reasons for the small $99,- cost - 3rd party companies have included stuff into this OS and want a some cash in return. - Amiga retailers are literally starving to sell something NEW. - Developers who bought the kit will get good development support.
> How can assembly programs (the language is assembly; an assembly compiler is an assembler) be compatible across platforms?
Tao has defined a Virtual 32-bit Processor. A translator tool translates the code into native code. Translators have been written for all major CPUs.
The truly remarkable part is the speed at which this all can be accomplished. It is so clean, optimized and uses great new techniques to allow this. Their Java engine that was totally written in VP code is 6 - 15 times faster than Sun`s own engine and is much smaller!
> That still doesn't explain why they want to call it the Amiga!
The company is called Amiga Inc. the product will most likely be called something like Amie or Amiverse.
The Amiga community is supporting the classic Amiga because there was no viable elegant non bloated alternative available. Now the developers need something new as the advances in processing power and memory chips were able to compensate the inferior technologies in the current PC hardware architectures and Bloatware OSes.
For the Amiga community this is an Amiga succesor because it is being developed by the people who love the orginal Amiga and keep that in mind while creating something more advanced and future proof.
> Actually, is this new operating system going to be backward compatible with the old Amiga apps?
Yes it will be. But this is NOT Amiga`s top priority right now! Old apps can still be run on classic Amigas while running the new OS. An emultion layer will be written in VP code, but first things first.
> If it's a total break with the past, then what roots of the Amiga are in it?
The users, developers, designers. Apart from that what does MacOS X have in common with the current MacOS? Consider this OS as an AmigaOS X.
Multimedia definition: describing software that provides data in various forms, such as text, sound, still images, motion pictures, and animation.
Let`s see: motion picture - In 1987 the ultimate Full screen Video editing system ever. (PC/Mac huh?) text - No problem any computer can do that c64, spectrum, Vic10, msdos PC sound - Computer with full stereo sound support!(Mac/PC only bleeps from the internal speaker) Still images - Foto like Images with up to 4096 colors displaying simultaniously (msdos PC 16 colors/MAC 2 colors) animation - The ultimate animation platform! It was animation computer used for all disney classics since 1987.
Sorry Reality Master this title is meant for the moderators than you personally.:)
I get tired of hearing the same arguments over and over again. The owners are very respected members in the Amiga community long before they became the owners.
Though this is a new technology it is made by the people who made the orginal Amiga great, THE AMIGA COMMUNITY!
The orginal Amiga designers fully support their project along with the QNX Neutrino initiative. Carl Sassenrath, R.J Mical, Dave Haynie, etc
This OS is the best thing Amiga could have possibly developed to support the classic Amiga. All code written for it while hosted on Windows, Linux, QNX, whatever WILL run on classic PPC powered Amiga as well!
Amiga is about ideas and the most loyal computer community on earth. Give the AMIGA a chance!!!
It`s a totally new OS which happens to be made by people loving the Classic Amigas. Just as MacOS X will be a totally new OS compared to the orginal MacOS. So will this be! I think it`s great that it will also run on Classic Amigas as well.
Amigans are excellent developers and many of leading figures of them have been hired by Amiga Inc.
It has been demonstrated at blazing speeds. Imagine running 3 Quake verions, 2 Doom versions and some other stuff simultaniously at full speed without any slowdown on a 500 mhz AMD K6-2 while being hosted ontop of Linux and without 3D hardware acceleration! (Fully software) Image what it can do without Linux underneath.:)
This RTOS already supports assembler, C, C++, Java and some other stuff is in development. All applications will be totally code identical across platforms.
Well, the Tao/Amiga technology is truly impressive. Java code runs on their Java engine 6 - 15 times faster than on any competitor! Their engine was totally re-written from scratch in VP code. Writing your apps in native VP code will give developers an even better speed increase while maintaining portability!
Amiga wants the support from Linux developers that`s why they choose Redhat and Corel as their partners. (26 linux versions) But even if Corel went bankrupt it wouldn`t be that bad for Amiga Inc only a pity maybe as Wordperfect etc wouldn`t get ported.
- super fast graphics with multiple graphic processors with 4096 colors - stereo sound - fully-32 bit OS (68000 itself was 32bit internally and 16bit externally though) - 32-bit Pre-emptive multitasking GUI - Autoconfig (Better than plug&play)
There was nothing out there with similar features. So you could easily make and run simultaniously word processors, games, videos, graphic apps, etc on it. Thus the definition of multimedia.
Have a look here for an interesting interviwe with Hyperion Software . They have spent lots of cash on game licences (some costed them 50.000 -100.000 USD) for the new Amiga! Titles include Sin, Shogo, Heretic2, Worms: Armageddon, Freespace: The Great War and many other "Very recent" games soon to be announced!
They also have the rights for an Linux and Mac port of Shogo. They also promise to soon release some info about some Amiga only games.
It`s just an ordinary box with a super duper graphic card developed by nVidia. Anyone (with cash) can make such a deal with nVidia. But Microsoft has the power to push it forward and again dominate another market segment. IMHO the sooner M$ dies the better!
Let`s pray for salvation. Come on Tao show the world what your Elate RTOS can do!
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Well I imagine that wouldn`t have been much fun for you at all. BECAUSE it would have been SLOW AS HELL!
:)
Now imagine that these Quake and Doom versions runned code identical at similar speeds on x86 Windows, PPC iMac, PPC Classic Amiga, MJAC philips cell phone, etc
Imagine what this will mean to coders! Code once run anywhere!!
> Now, for all of these, exactly why do you need or want a GUI?
Easy to use for users. MSDOS users screamed similar things like: "who needs a GUI" when the Amiga was released. Not knowing that the Amiga could also be booted without a GUI and had also an alot better CLI which supported long file names and spaces, wildcars, etc. and KingCon could add XTerm like features to it as well.
A GUI is essential for any multimedia computer! And being the best Multimedia is their primary objective.
Trust me Amiga isn`t making much money with it.
Some reasons for the small $99,- cost
- 3rd party companies have included stuff into this OS and want a some cash in return.
- Amiga retailers are literally starving to sell something NEW.
- Developers who bought the kit will get good development support.
The Amiga has more PD and Shareware utilities, games and Apps than any platform. :)
Multimedia since 1985. That`s why!
> How can assembly programs (the language is assembly; an assembly compiler is an assembler) be compatible across platforms?
Tao has defined a Virtual 32-bit Processor. A translator tool translates the code into native code. Translators have been written for all major CPUs.
The truly remarkable part is the speed at which this all can be accomplished. It is so clean, optimized and uses great new techniques to allow this. Their Java engine that was totally written in VP code is 6 - 15 times faster than Sun`s own engine and is much smaller!
> That still doesn't explain why they want to call it the Amiga!
The company is called Amiga Inc. the product will most likely be called something like Amie or Amiverse.
The Amiga community is supporting the classic Amiga because there was no viable elegant non bloated alternative available. Now the developers need something new as the advances in processing power and memory chips were able to compensate the inferior technologies in the current PC hardware architectures and Bloatware OSes.
For the Amiga community this is an Amiga succesor because it is being developed by the people who love the orginal Amiga and keep that in mind while creating something more advanced and future proof.
> Actually, is this new operating system going to be backward compatible with the old Amiga apps?
Yes it will be. But this is NOT Amiga`s top priority right now! Old apps can still be run on classic Amigas while running the new OS. An emultion layer will be written in VP code, but first things first.
> If it's a total break with the past, then what roots of the Amiga are in it?
The users, developers, designers. Apart from that what does MacOS X have in common with the current MacOS? Consider this OS as an AmigaOS X.
Multimedia definition:
describing software that provides data in various forms, such as text, sound, still images, motion pictures, and animation.
Let`s see:
motion picture - In 1987 the ultimate Full screen Video editing system ever. (PC/Mac huh?)
text - No problem any computer can do that c64, spectrum, Vic10, msdos PC
sound - Computer with full stereo sound support!(Mac/PC only bleeps from the internal speaker)
Still images - Foto like Images with up to 4096 colors displaying simultaniously (msdos PC 16 colors/MAC 2 colors)
animation - The ultimate animation platform! It was animation computer used for all disney classics since 1987.
Sorry Reality Master this title is meant for the moderators than you personally. :)
I get tired of hearing the same arguments over and over again. The owners are very respected members in the Amiga community long before they became the owners.
Though this is a new technology it is made by the people who made the orginal Amiga great, THE AMIGA COMMUNITY!
The orginal Amiga designers fully support their project along with the QNX Neutrino initiative. Carl Sassenrath, R.J Mical, Dave Haynie, etc
This OS is the best thing Amiga could have possibly developed to support the classic Amiga. All code written for it while hosted on Windows, Linux, QNX, whatever WILL run on classic PPC powered Amiga as well!
Amiga is about ideas and the most loyal computer community on earth. Give the AMIGA a chance!!!
It`s a totally new OS which happens to be made by people loving the Classic Amigas. Just as MacOS X will be a totally new OS compared to the orginal MacOS. So will this be! I think it`s great that it will also run on Classic Amigas as well.
Amigans are excellent developers and many of leading figures of them have been hired by Amiga Inc.
Both 68k and PPC Linux versions do run on Amigas. The new OS is being developed for PPC powered Amigas as well.
It has been demonstrated at blazing speeds. Imagine running 3 Quake verions, 2 Doom versions and some other stuff simultaniously at full speed without any slowdown on a 500 mhz AMD K6-2 while being hosted ontop of Linux and without 3D hardware acceleration! (Fully software) Image what it can do without Linux underneath. :)
This RTOS already supports assembler, C, C++, Java and some other stuff is in development. All applications will be totally code identical across platforms.
Well, the Tao/Amiga technology is truly impressive. Java code runs on their Java engine 6 - 15 times faster than on any competitor! Their engine was totally re-written from scratch in VP code. Writing your apps in native VP code will give developers an even better speed increase while maintaining portability!
Amiga wants the support from Linux developers that`s why they choose Redhat and Corel as their partners. (26 linux versions) But even if Corel went bankrupt it wouldn`t be that bad for Amiga Inc only a pity maybe as Wordperfect etc wouldn`t get ported.
IMHO this claim is valid.
In 1985 the Amiga 1000 was released.
- super fast graphics with multiple graphic processors with 4096 colors
- stereo sound
- fully-32 bit OS (68000 itself was 32bit internally and 16bit externally though) - 32-bit Pre-emptive multitasking GUI
- Autoconfig (Better than plug&play)
There was nothing out there with similar features. So you could easily make and run simultaniously word processors, games, videos, graphic apps, etc on it. Thus the definition of multimedia.
Have a look here for an interesting interviwe with Hyperion Software . They have spent lots of cash on game licences (some costed them 50.000 -100.000 USD) for the new Amiga! Titles include Sin, Shogo, Heretic2, Worms: Armageddon, Freespace: The Great War and many other "Very recent" games soon to be announced!
They also have the rights for an Linux and Mac port of Shogo. They also promise to soon release some info about some Amiga only games.
It`s just an ordinary box with a super duper graphic card developed by nVidia. Anyone (with cash) can make such a deal with nVidia. But Microsoft has the power to push it forward and again dominate another market segment. IMHO the sooner M$ dies the better!
Let`s pray for salvation. Come on Tao show the world what your Elate RTOS can do!
It doesn`t matter how much you improve and upgrade a buggy. It will never become a Mercedes Benz.
:) Within two years my post would be rated "5 ingightful"
Linux, MacOS, Windows, etc are based one truly obsolete principles. Trust me, I know all these OSs from top to bottom.
Mark my words.