From what I've read here, it's a tv show that's on in the mornings. Sounds like I'm lucky that I don't know what channel it's on. I don't know what channel Falwell is on either.
Yes, those are the key words. Welcome to the present.
>>I chose Rice instead. >I'm not familiar with it, sorry
Displaying ignorance again. Remember the start of the thread?
>What, the Wright Brothers? Okay, that's one. Name another invention. I said invention, okay?
Can you say integrated circuit, microprocessor?
>Remember to exclude all research labs run by Northern companies and staffed by Northern graduates of Northern universities.
Hmm, that's interesting. Northern companies have chosen to place research labs in the South. Why?
>Remember also to exclude anything with government funding, cause libertarian are required to stick their heads in the sand when anybody mentions basic research.
Well, this is a bit off since what any offical party line states and what I think are not the same thing. I guess that's a Libertarian attitude so I'll accept the label for now.
>MIT, yah that's a good school. Not much else of value up there except maybe John Hopkins and it's in Maryland.
> Hopkin's isn't much of an engineering school. You're forgetting Princeton and Yale, where a lot of work has been done in many fields.
Fail to mention I did, but then I was not the one that was tasked with upholding the value of the NE. That was your position. As far as engineering and schooling go, the way that I've been educated, the field of "education" is not limited to science and engineering. Perhaps the vernacular is different in the NE. Perhaps educations are more limited in the NE.
>>Perhaps never even been there. >Couldn't be bothered. Never went to Cambodia, either. There are more interesting places to visit, and I don't feel like being purged as an intellectual.
Ah, back to the subject again. Remember, you must strive to free yourself of the liberal dogma. Closed minds and limited educations support the liberal position.
>Look at farms in the rural South, and look at farms in New England.
Indeed, the beauty of the rural NE is magnificent. The farmlands of the South and the praries and the moutnains of the West have their beauty as well. I've been there. I've seen them. The sad part is that you seem to have never ventured out from your box to experience the beauty of the rest of the world. You choose to remain comfortable within the wrap of your dogma(there's that word again) and refuse to explore the world for yourself lest that blanket be torn from you.
Yah, there have been non-socialists produced by northern universities and they are exemplary in quality and scarcity. I wouldn't include BG in with that crowd. I'm not at all sure that they'd be happy that you associate him with them.
>You've been had, my son. And how!
Well, I guess your demeanor is appropriate for one so rigid in his ways. Who's been had is another story. I've travelled to four, attended schools in two, and worked on three contintents and I choose to live, work, and raise my children in Texas. The USNE, except for the cities anyway, is a nice place to visit, but I sure wouldn't want to live there.
Sure I've heard of the NYSE. That's just a popular marketplace. It has no influence on where the captital resides. Do you know how long it has been in existance? Are you really this messed up on such realities? It's no different from any market. It is a place where people meet to trade.
MIT, yah that's a good school. Not much else of value up there except maybe John Hopkins and it's in Maryland. I chose Rice instead.
I guess you've only been to Alabama. Perhaps never even been there. I notice you didn't bother to refute the rest of the inventions and industry that have come out of your so called "uneducated conservative" South. You didn't bother to list much in the way of inventions that have been produced by the NE either.
For some reason you also fail to mention why all that cheap, uneducated labor from the NE moved down here when the heavy industries of the NE collapsed and moved to Asia. The reasons are really pretty simple. It's a better place to live. The NE has had a net population outflow for decades and it is certainly not due to their evangelistic or altruistic ideals.
Ditch the dogma. Learn some history, hell learn about the present. Find out what my sacred principles are before you decide what would be in violation of them. Find out what my pseudo-political/economic religion is predicated upon before you tell me what it is.
As far as what has been invented where, check California(too much to list), Alabama(aerospace), Texas(oil, semiconductors, aerospace), Florida(more semiconductors, space), Oklahoma(more oil), Michigan(mucho heavy industry), Illinois(physics), the Carolinas(ever hear of aircraft?) and see where you get. Somehow the high and mighty NE reduces itself to the well known pain in the ass that it has been for so long. It hasn't produced much worthwhile in a 100 years.
...you didn't bother to include any facts supporting your position in your post, nor any logical arguments to defeat his position. Instead you filled it with the emotional nonsense that you claim to despise.
Waste of human potential indeed, so much noise, so little signal.
>It sounded like he was saying that rich districts were paying less taxes than poor districts, but getting more money >for their schools. I didn't see you disputing this, so I'm assuming it's correct. So then... doesn't this mean that >the wealthy are being given other peoples money because they're wealthy?
Liberals are fond of mixing terminology to suit their whims. Tax rates vs revenue collected is a prime time favorite. For example, my school district has 100 homes with average value of US$100K. We tax ourselves to fund the local schools at a rate of 1% so we generate $100K/year. There is an average of 1 kid per home so we end up spending $1K/kid/year.
A "poorer" district has 200 homes with average value of $50K and taxes itself at 1% and they have an average of 2 kids per home....do you see where I'm headed here?
Judge BS has "decided" that the right thing for us to do is send some of our money to that other school district. So, if we want to maintain ourselves, we raise our own taxes to compensate. Thus, by federal judicial edict he has directly influenced the local representation and taxation, fiscal procedures ad nauseum. All of which are constitutionally the responsibility of local, state, and federal legislative branches of the gov.
>Either way, I don't quite see how you came to the conclusion that government funded education is illegitimate. >How anyone can expect society to survive if children aren't well educated, I'll never know.
First of all, societies have survived for millenia when the majority of the populace was illiterate. That's not my idea of an ideal society, but it can happen.
Second, what makes you think that the "graduates" that are being turned out of the public school systems these days are educated?
Finally, how about the parents taking responsibility for their kids? Duh? That's why there are such things as parents, right? You tell me. Is your kid going to get a better education if some bureaucrat in another is in charge, or if you are in charge. I'll give you a clue, if you tell me that the state employee is better suited to be responsible for your kids' education, you shouldn't have any.
Check any tests, ratings or whatever, you'll find that private schools do better(except at athletics). So why do we insist on spending money on public schools? The the solution is obvious, yet those in charge will not make the decision and take action. Spend the money that is currently spent on public schools on private ones and education will improve, duh!
You just mirrored one of the few servers that will probably never need this kind of help. The folks at Yahoo are competent and really don't need your help.
Yes, I can buy a car without a radio. I did just that four years ago. Why? None of the factory installed radio/tape/CD-players provided satisfactory performance at a reasonable price. So, I said no to the radio when I ordered the car and installed a radio from a third party. The cost of the standard radio was subtracted(refunded) from the total cost of the car.
Sound familiar?
Can I buy a TV and return the remote? Yes, if the remote is defective, unsatisfactory, and/or not covered under the warranty that is offered with the rest of the unit. You can also get a third party remote.
Sound familiar?
For those that claim that the bundled os is a part of the computer, note that there are different warranties for the hardware and the software. The hardware explicitly states that it will work for x amount of time and what coverage is provided by the warranty. If the software(like the BIOS) is an integral part of the PC, then the warranty will be the same for it. The warranty for the software is explicitly different and states as a matter of fact that the software has no warranty and is not even expected to work. This makes the software defective, unacceptable, subject to return, and separate from the hardware.
Can I buy a portable CD player and return the headphones....
How many posts of any type by anyone should you take seriously? Start with zero.
The benefit of having unique, "owned" identifiers is that readers _can_ take you seriously if you regularly demonstrate credibility. ACs can't do this(demonstrate previous credibility), so you can only evaluate their posts in a local context.
When you see a post that makes you go "Huh?", if it's identified you can at least check the history and see what else that person has posted. If the past indicates responsibility and credibility, you can look at the latest post, notice that it came in at 0130 and realize, "Oh, he's drunk" and pay no mind. If his history indicates that he's a loon, you can comfortably ignore him without any further consideration.
If you guys want to see some real, hilarious, war stories about a real road warrior and his adventures with laptops, the weather, his wife, customs officials, etc. look in DejaNews for author Mosl Roland in newsgroup com.sys.laptops. Or hit his page here: http://pege.org/dir/fun.htm
At least he has a good excuse for writing in "broken english" and his stories are funnier as well.
There's no such thing for a writer. They'll do almost anything, any way, to expand their audience.
They're kinda like hackers only they write in a "natural" human language rather than code. Just as you or I will get a thrill from making a few deft tweaks to the code to get a performance boost or to squash a bug, "writers" love to have people read their stuff. So they write some more. Even when folks give bad reviews, flame and scorch them for their poor work, they know that someone read their stuff and get a thrill.
Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be very good at presenting his work. I mean really, if wrote code the way that he writes English, I'd never have gotten anything to compile!
Do you really trust yourself less than you trust the "other"? While I do not contend that I am perfect for the position of "owning the world", I would much prefer to have my own ass in that seat than some unknown, partially known, or completely undefined "other".
OTO point, sometimes it is good to have a small number of people or even one person in the seat(s) of power. Perhaps now is the time; perhaps it is not. There have been many discussions on forms of government, procedures, options, actions, and such. In any case, there is one straightforward method for both improving your own position and ensuring that the power does not become too concentrated. That is to participate. Read your news sources, vote, campaign, buy stock, sell stock, build your own corporation, live a life, teach your ideals to your kids and neighbors. Hold some of that power in your own hands and dole it out to those that you deem to be fit to wield it. Too many people refuse to exercise the authority that they have. Too many choose to sit around and complain.
Thanks for the post, there were some good threads generated and a refreshingly low AC noise level. Pounce on me here: memore0@yahoo.com if you want to continue this offline.
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From what I've read here, it's a tv show that's on in the mornings. Sounds like I'm lucky that I don't know what channel it's on. I don't know what channel Falwell is on either.
I guess I'm extra lucky.
V4.5 on NT4 and I just filled out a form.
Nothing. Does anyone have any hints as to how the file name is generated? Perhaps I can search for it.
>It's history
Yes, those are the key words. Welcome to the present.
>>I chose Rice instead.
>I'm not familiar with it, sorry
Displaying ignorance again. Remember the start of the thread?
>What, the Wright Brothers? Okay, that's one. Name another invention. I said invention, okay?
Can you say integrated circuit, microprocessor?
>Remember to exclude all research labs run by Northern companies and staffed by Northern graduates of Northern universities.
Hmm, that's interesting. Northern companies have chosen to place research labs in the South. Why?
>Remember also to exclude anything with government funding, cause libertarian are required to stick their heads in the sand when anybody mentions basic research.
Well, this is a bit off since what any offical party line states and what I think are not the same thing. I guess that's a Libertarian attitude so I'll accept the label for now.
>MIT, yah that's a good school. Not much else of value up there except maybe John Hopkins and it's in Maryland.
> Hopkin's isn't much of an engineering school. You're forgetting Princeton and Yale, where a lot of work has been done in many fields.
Fail to mention I did, but then I was not the one that was tasked with upholding the value of the NE. That was your position. As far as engineering and schooling go, the way that I've been educated, the field of "education" is not limited to science and engineering. Perhaps the vernacular is different in the NE. Perhaps educations are more limited in the NE.
>>Perhaps never even been there.
>Couldn't be bothered. Never went to Cambodia, either. There are more interesting places to visit, and I don't feel like being purged as an intellectual.
Ah, back to the subject again. Remember, you must strive to free yourself of the liberal dogma. Closed minds and limited educations support the liberal position.
>Look at farms in the rural South, and look at farms in New England.
Indeed, the beauty of the rural NE is magnificent. The farmlands of the South and the praries and the moutnains of the West have their beauty as well. I've been there. I've seen them. The sad part is that you seem to have never ventured out from your box to experience the beauty of the rest of the world. You choose to remain comfortable within the wrap of your dogma(there's that word again) and refuse to explore the world for yourself lest that blanket be torn from you.
Yah, there have been non-socialists produced by northern universities and they are exemplary in quality and scarcity. I wouldn't include BG in with that crowd. I'm not at all sure that they'd be happy that you associate him with them.
>You've been had, my son. And how!
Well, I guess your demeanor is appropriate for one so rigid in his ways. Who's been had is another story. I've travelled to four, attended schools in two, and worked on three contintents and I choose to live, work, and raise my children in Texas. The USNE, except for the cities anyway, is a nice place to visit, but I sure wouldn't want to live there.
Sure I've heard of the NYSE. That's just a popular marketplace. It has no influence on where the captital resides. Do you know how long it has been in existance? Are you really this messed up on such realities? It's no different from any market. It is a place where people meet to trade.
MIT, yah that's a good school. Not much else of value up there except maybe John Hopkins and it's in Maryland. I chose Rice instead.
I guess you've only been to Alabama. Perhaps never even been there. I notice you didn't bother to refute the rest of the inventions and industry that have come out of your so called "uneducated conservative" South. You didn't bother to list much in the way of inventions that have been produced by the NE either.
For some reason you also fail to mention why all that cheap, uneducated labor from the NE moved down here when the heavy industries of the NE collapsed and moved to Asia. The reasons are really pretty simple. It's a better place to live. The NE has had a net population outflow for decades and it is certainly not due to their evangelistic or altruistic ideals.
...what you preach.
Ditch the dogma.
Learn some history, hell learn about the present.
Find out what my sacred principles are before you decide what would be in violation of them.
Find out what my pseudo-political/economic religion is predicated upon before you tell me what it is.
As far as what has been invented where, check California(too much to list), Alabama(aerospace), Texas(oil, semiconductors, aerospace), Florida(more semiconductors, space), Oklahoma(more oil), Michigan(mucho heavy industry), Illinois(physics), the Carolinas(ever hear of aircraft?) and see where you get. Somehow the high and mighty NE reduces itself to the well known pain in the ass that it has been for so long. It hasn't produced much worthwhile in a 100 years.
So much for strawmen.
...I thought RM's only problem was clothes?!?!?
...you didn't bother to include any facts supporting your position in your post, nor any logical arguments to defeat his position. Instead you filled it with the emotional nonsense that you claim to despise.
Waste of human potential indeed, so much noise, so little signal.
Nice troll but not enough.
>It sounded like he was saying that rich districts were paying less taxes than poor districts, but getting more money
>for their schools. I didn't see you disputing this, so I'm assuming it's correct. So then... doesn't this mean that
>the wealthy are being given other peoples money because they're wealthy?
Liberals are fond of mixing terminology to suit their whims. Tax rates vs revenue collected is a prime time favorite. For example, my school district has 100 homes with average value of US$100K. We tax ourselves to fund the local schools at a rate of 1% so we generate $100K/year. There is an average of 1 kid per home so we end up spending $1K/kid/year.
A "poorer" district has 200 homes with average value of $50K and taxes itself at 1% and they have an average of 2 kids per home....do you see where I'm headed here?
Judge BS has "decided" that the right thing for us to do is send some of our money to that other school district. So, if we want to maintain ourselves, we raise our own taxes to compensate. Thus, by federal judicial edict he has directly influenced the local representation and taxation, fiscal procedures ad nauseum. All of which are constitutionally the responsibility of local, state, and federal legislative branches of the gov.
>Either way, I don't quite see how you came to the conclusion that government funded education is illegitimate.
>How anyone can expect society to survive if children aren't well educated, I'll never know.
First of all, societies have survived for millenia when the majority of the populace was illiterate. That's not my idea of an ideal society, but it can happen.
Second, what makes you think that the "graduates" that are being turned out of the public school systems these days are educated?
Finally, how about the parents taking responsibility for their kids? Duh? That's why there are such things as parents, right? You tell me. Is your kid going to get a better education if some bureaucrat in another is in charge, or if you are in charge. I'll give you a clue, if you tell me that the state employee is better suited to be responsible for your kids' education, you shouldn't have any.
Check any tests, ratings or whatever, you'll find that private schools do better(except at athletics). So why do we insist on spending money on public schools? The the solution is obvious, yet those in charge will not make the decision and take action. Spend the money that is currently spent on public schools on private ones and education will improve, duh!
You just mirrored one of the few servers that will probably never need this kind of help. The folks at Yahoo are competent and really don't need your help.
My ancient 21066A, rated at 233, does 266 nicely. I've run it at 300, but it needs a fan at that rate.
we could pull a trick on him and suggest this:
su root
cd /
rm -rf *
As a solution to his pppd problems.
I wonder if he'll ever discover man.
...not for proving your point.
Yes, I can buy a car without a radio. I did just that four years ago. Why? None of the factory installed radio/tape/CD-players provided satisfactory performance at a reasonable price. So, I said no to the radio when I ordered the car and installed a radio from a third party. The cost of the standard radio was subtracted(refunded) from the total cost of the car.
Sound familiar?
Can I buy a TV and return the remote? Yes, if the remote is defective, unsatisfactory, and/or not covered under the warranty that is offered with the rest of the unit. You can also get a third party remote.
Sound familiar?
For those that claim that the bundled os is a part of the computer, note that there are different warranties for the hardware and the software. The hardware explicitly states that it will work for x amount of time and what coverage is provided by the warranty. If the software(like the BIOS) is an integral part of the PC, then the warranty will be the same for it. The warranty for the software is explicitly different and states as a matter of fact that the software has no warranty and is not even expected to work. This makes the software defective, unacceptable, subject to return, and separate from the hardware.
Can I buy a portable CD player and return the headphones....
I think that you get the point.
...I'd pick a "jennycam" over anything at this guy's house anyday!
How many posts of any type by anyone should you take seriously? Start with zero.
The benefit of having unique, "owned" identifiers is that readers _can_ take you seriously if you regularly demonstrate credibility. ACs can't do this(demonstrate previous credibility), so you can only evaluate their posts in a local context.
When you see a post that makes you go "Huh?", if it's identified you can at least check the history and see what else that person has posted. If the past indicates responsibility and credibility, you can look at the latest post, notice that it came in at 0130 and realize, "Oh, he's drunk" and pay no mind. If his history indicates that he's a loon, you can comfortably ignore him without any further consideration.
If you guys want to see some real, hilarious, war stories about a real road warrior and his adventures with laptops, the weather, his wife, customs officials, etc. look in DejaNews for author Mosl Roland in newsgroup com.sys.laptops.
Or hit his page here: http://pege.org/dir/fun.htm
At least he has a good excuse for writing in "broken english" and his stories are funnier as well.
He'll have you ROTFLYAO.
...pretty pictures, but the internet really does look like a cloud! or a clump of moss or some fractal generated by my screen saver.
I wonder if the software is available?
Are they accepting volunteers for additional "survey stations"?
>So far Jon's writing in his spare time
There's no such thing for a writer. They'll do almost anything, any way, to expand their audience.
They're kinda like hackers only they write in a "natural" human language rather than code. Just as you or I will get a thrill from making a few deft tweaks to the code to get a performance boost or to squash a bug, "writers" love to have people read their stuff. So they write some more. Even when folks give bad reviews, flame and scorch them for their poor work, they know that someone read their stuff and get a thrill.
Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be very good at presenting his work. I mean really, if wrote code the way that he writes English, I'd never have gotten anything to compile!
...if it was a setup to show the OSS strength? IT seems too easy.
To whom is the email sent?
Who first discovered the trojans?
Was it someonet that downloaded the code?
Was it one of the sysadmins scanning the logs?
Answers to some of these questions will tell.
He just needs a vacation.
...and I can see that I am not the only one!
Even the pun! ;-) teachers.
Too often a jab like that produces no response or just more noise. I am pleased. Congratulations to you and your (history)
On the subject of grammar, I agree and concede.
On the content, I contest.
Do you really trust yourself less than you trust the "other"? While I do not contend that I am perfect for the position of "owning the world", I would much prefer to have my own ass in that seat than some unknown, partially known, or completely undefined "other".
OTO point, sometimes it is good to have a small number of people or even one person in the seat(s) of power. Perhaps now is the time; perhaps it is not. There have been many discussions on forms of government, procedures, options, actions, and such. In any case, there is one straightforward method for both improving your own position and ensuring that the power does not become too concentrated. That is to participate. Read your news sources, vote, campaign, buy stock, sell stock, build your own corporation, live a life, teach your ideals to your kids and neighbors. Hold some of that power in your own hands and dole it out to those that you deem to be fit to wield it. Too many people refuse to exercise the authority that they have. Too many choose to sit around and complain.
Thanks for the post, there were some good threads generated and a refreshingly low AC noise level. Pounce on me here: memore0@yahoo.com if you want to continue this offline.
Quote from above: "...the wealthy 2 percent of people". You would not have phased your question in the third person if you were referring to yourself.
...the link to the interview with RMS?
http://www.nwfusion.com/news/0111stallman.html
It's dated 1/11/99 and I know that I have not seen it before. It's a pretty good q&a session.