they have in fact revealed plans on creating GTK+ bindings for Java which will make all future Solaris apps look like alike
All future apps? Gentu has been smoking crack!
Unless there's a gun pointed to the head of Solaris developers, there's nothing stopping them from using Motif or vanilla X11. Most commercial UNIX developers have never used GNOME. Sun cannot seriously think that people will jump on the GNOME bandwagon just because they change a desktop. Is Adobe going to release Gramemaker and Rational to release Gleargase just because Sun thinks it's a cool idea? Hah!
You have to include all the dependent libraries as well. librsvg is a dependency of GNOME. Last I checked (one week ago), there was zero documentation for librsvg. That's just one example.
OK, I have had it up to here with all this FreeBSD worship.
Now you know what it feels like to wade through all this Linux sycophantry. Geez, reading Slashdot is like reading about how Linux can do anything including your laundry.
Speaking of laundry, your laundry list of complaints boils down to one item:
1) FreeBSD is different than Linux. Duh! First, optimize the system and applications for your compiler. Second, learn how to use ports instead of assuming that anything not RPMS must be bad. Third, who the hell needs performance during a system install?
So instead of a class structure of birthright we have a class strucutre based on financial luck. BIG improvement...
Financial luck or hard work? I don't know about my ancestor, but looking around at my aquaintances who own their own businesses, those who work the hardest have the more successful shops, on average.
There was a lot in the book that couldn't be put into the movie without making it rival LOTR in length. So they decided to focus in on just one aspect of it: Rhea. So what? Try to imagine every theme, idea and philosophical rumination of the book translated into cinema. It would have been horribly dense, dry and exhausting, rivaling all three parts of LOTR in length. But by focusing in on just one part, and a major part at that, they managed to create a workable film. I wished they would have removed the back story, but overall it was a great film.
And at least they put some pacing (and an ending) in it. The book had a beginning then an extended discussion on philosophy punctuated only by changes in the topics being discussed. Reading Solaris is almost like reading a graduate dissertation on the themes of Solaris...
The United states is amongst only six countries that impose the death penalty on juveniles.
The US press is strangely silent on this issue. Perhaps they're puppets of the Bush Regime. So enlighten me. Can you name one person executed in the US under the age of 18 in the past fifty years?
hmm... nope, can't think of all that many real good differences between "poor person in 1000 who wasn't a serf" and "poor person in 1850 who wasn't black."
There's one huge difference, and it relates directly to class. It's called mobility. A free peasant in 1000AD was always going to be a free peasant. His children would be free peasants. And his grandchildren would be free peasants. The only hope of escaping the class was to join the church. But a poor non-black (and a tiny handful of blacks) in 1850AD could certainly escape his "class". It happened all the time.
I don't know this from history books, I know this from the letters and writing of my own ancestors. My ancestors were everything from farm laborers to circuit riders to a state governor. One came over to the US as an indentured servant and ended up owning his own business and marrying the cousin of a prominent financier.
I was referring to "class" in the European manner. You're born into a social class and you stay there your whole life. It's but one step removed from a caste. I used it in this sense, since that's how most people use it in the context of sociology, employment, economics, etc.
Except in the context of race, which is still a problem here, and certain cliques in Hollywood, the notion of a class to which you belong has long disappeared in the US.
This is just outrageous. You effectively claim the workers have no rights, and if they want rights they must become employers first!
How soon we forget history. How soon we forget the events of even two and three years ago. The tech industry's motto used to be "caveat employer". Let the employer beware. We demanded ping pong tables, refrigerators stocked with ale, and the elimination of the dress code. If we didn't get it we walked out. I personally saw a 60% increase in pay over two years, the creation of a corporate cafeteria with a real chef, the creation of a corporate gym, and flex time that made rubber bands look rigid. I got one raise just because management *thought* a recruiter had talked to me.
Now the shoes on the other foot, and we decry our lack of rights. Hah!
Ditto. I spent a short time as a "temp" working in factories and plants. I remember coming home and showering aluminum shavings out of my hair, downing a few tylenols for my aching back so it didn't hurt lying down, and wondering when the printer's ink would ever get out of my fingers. Then when the only thing you dream during sleep is work, you're exhausted 24 hours a day.
And you need to stop blindly accepting the history fed to you. Certainly the 19th century was not perfect, but it was by no means the feudalistic serfdom portrayed in the High School history books.
It's not a rich management "class". A socioeconomic class is something you are born into. None of my current or previous bosses were born into that position. Heck, I probably was born into a better class than many of them were. The richest man I personally know started out picking cotton, and he's now worth millions.
There's at least one more thing to say: This is not real.
It's a mockup. It doesn't exist. This is someone's idea of what they want Kicker to look like. Unfortunately, they haven't implemented it in code. Heck, they haven't even implemented it in Javascript, so we can't even test it out to see if it's even usable.
I think the technical term for this is "barratry".
Main Entry: bar*ra*try
Etymology: Middle English barratrie, from Middle French baraterie deception, from barater to deceive, exchange ... 3 : the persistent incitement of litigation
Nah. Releasing that same information to OpenBSD might make some Linux people think Sun was two-timing on them. There's nothing worse than a Linux kernel developer scorned...
There are not silver bullets in software development. Probably never will be. So get that out of your mind.
On the other hand, our toolbox is filling up with lots of nice silver hammers, silver screwdrivers and silver saws.
When I started coding, structured programming was the latest tool in the toolbox. It was and still is a great tool for many tasks. Since then we've gotten object oriented and generic programming tools. These are great tools as well. But they're still tools. Which means you have to but some labor into using them, and they won't be suitable for every task.
If you don't think that software development has improved in the past twenty five years, it's time you rummaged through your toolbox and picked something other than a screwdriver to hammer in nails.
Yeah, in the buzzword bandwagon. Linux is good press. People will write article about Sun moving to Linux. But no one outside of a small community has even heard of BSD. It won't play well in the press. Since Sun is a publicly traded company, they NEED good and constant press. Since Linux is the current tech media darling, it only makes sense to latch on to Linux.
I'd rather have the OpenBSD guys auditing linux code instead
I wish SOMEONE would audit the Linux code. And I wish someone would audit the GNU code that typically surrounds it. But OpenBSD is a separate project. There are at least ten times as many Linux developers as OpenBSD developers. Surely one or two of them are capable of auditing their own project.
Looks like the most technologically forward nation will be the last to embrace OSS.
Funny, from where I sit it looks like BSD came from the west coast of the US, and GNU from the east coast of the US. Those two projects are the cornerstones of Free Software and Open Source. Most early Linux distros were based in the US. Mozilla got started in the US. Although KDE had a lot of roots in Europe, GNOME had a lot of roots in the US. Slashdot is in the US.
But don't mistake this memo as proof that India is dumping Microsoft. They are not. This memo was from a LUG to a regional government. Similar memos issue from US based LUGs every few months.
In the meantime, many US based companies and a few local governments are already switching to an OSS infrastructure. I do expect that India will probably dump Microsoft at the government level, but no one knows if it will be before or after the US does.
Besides, this isn't a race. "World domination" is a joke, not a goal.
Slashdot Mirror
If you would have followed the link, you would have caught on to the satire.
they have in fact revealed plans on creating GTK+ bindings for Java which will make all future Solaris apps look like alike
All future apps? Gentu has been smoking crack!
Unless there's a gun pointed to the head of Solaris developers, there's nothing stopping them from using Motif or vanilla X11. Most commercial UNIX developers have never used GNOME. Sun cannot seriously think that people will jump on the GNOME bandwagon just because they change a desktop. Is Adobe going to release Gramemaker and Rational to release Gleargase just because Sun thinks it's a cool idea? Hah!
You have to include all the dependent libraries as well. librsvg is a dependency of GNOME. Last I checked (one week ago), there was zero documentation for librsvg. That's just one example.
So they need adverts touting what they already have?
Adding "GNU/" when communicating on the subject of Linux does absolutely nothing to improve communication.
The correct name is Grub/GNU/Linux.
OK, I have had it up to here with all this FreeBSD worship.
Now you know what it feels like to wade through all this Linux sycophantry. Geez, reading Slashdot is like reading about how Linux can do anything including your laundry.
Speaking of laundry, your laundry list of complaints boils down to one item:
1) FreeBSD is different than Linux. Duh! First, optimize the system and applications for your compiler. Second, learn how to use ports instead of assuming that anything not RPMS must be bad. Third, who the hell needs performance during a system install?
Were they under 18 at the time they were executed?
So instead of a class structure of birthright we have a class strucutre based on financial luck. BIG improvement...
Financial luck or hard work? I don't know about my ancestor, but looking around at my aquaintances who own their own businesses, those who work the hardest have the more successful shops, on average.
Nuts! It was a great movie!
There was a lot in the book that couldn't be put into the movie without making it rival LOTR in length. So they decided to focus in on just one aspect of it: Rhea. So what? Try to imagine every theme, idea and philosophical rumination of the book translated into cinema. It would have been horribly dense, dry and exhausting, rivaling all three parts of LOTR in length. But by focusing in on just one part, and a major part at that, they managed to create a workable film. I wished they would have removed the back story, but overall it was a great film.
And at least they put some pacing (and an ending) in it. The book had a beginning then an extended discussion on philosophy punctuated only by changes in the topics being discussed. Reading Solaris is almost like reading a graduate dissertation on the themes of Solaris...
You bring up a good point. The Slashdot "editorial" should have read "For those who agree with my politics, this is a good idea."
The United states is amongst only six countries that impose the death penalty on juveniles.
The US press is strangely silent on this issue. Perhaps they're puppets of the Bush Regime. So enlighten me. Can you name one person executed in the US under the age of 18 in the past fifty years?
I'm still kind of proud, in an obscure way, about that.
Absolutely nothing wrong about it. Hold your head up high. Be proud!
But don't think for an instant that such a license could ever be Free or Open Source.
hmm... nope, can't think of all that many real good differences between "poor person in 1000 who wasn't a serf" and "poor person in 1850 who wasn't black."
There's one huge difference, and it relates directly to class. It's called mobility. A free peasant in 1000AD was always going to be a free peasant. His children would be free peasants. And his grandchildren would be free peasants. The only hope of escaping the class was to join the church. But a poor non-black (and a tiny handful of blacks) in 1850AD could certainly escape his "class". It happened all the time.
I don't know this from history books, I know this from the letters and writing of my own ancestors. My ancestors were everything from farm laborers to circuit riders to a state governor. One came over to the US as an indentured servant and ended up owning his own business and marrying the cousin of a prominent financier.
I was referring to "class" in the European manner. You're born into a social class and you stay there your whole life. It's but one step removed from a caste. I used it in this sense, since that's how most people use it in the context of sociology, employment, economics, etc.
Except in the context of race, which is still a problem here, and certain cliques in Hollywood, the notion of a class to which you belong has long disappeared in the US.
This is just outrageous. You effectively claim the workers have no rights, and if they want rights they must become employers first!
How soon we forget history. How soon we forget the events of even two and three years ago. The tech industry's motto used to be "caveat employer". Let the employer beware. We demanded ping pong tables, refrigerators stocked with ale, and the elimination of the dress code. If we didn't get it we walked out. I personally saw a 60% increase in pay over two years, the creation of a corporate cafeteria with a real chef, the creation of a corporate gym, and flex time that made rubber bands look rigid. I got one raise just because management *thought* a recruiter had talked to me.
Now the shoes on the other foot, and we decry our lack of rights. Hah!
Say it again, brother.
Ditto. I spent a short time as a "temp" working in factories and plants. I remember coming home and showering aluminum shavings out of my hair, downing a few tylenols for my aching back so it didn't hurt lying down, and wondering when the printer's ink would ever get out of my fingers. Then when the only thing you dream during sleep is work, you're exhausted 24 hours a day.
You obviously need a history lesson.
And you need to stop blindly accepting the history fed to you. Certainly the 19th century was not perfect, but it was by no means the feudalistic serfdom portrayed in the High School history books.
It's not a rich management "class". A socioeconomic class is something you are born into. None of my current or previous bosses were born into that position. Heck, I probably was born into a better class than many of them were. The richest man I personally know started out picking cotton, and he's now worth millions.
Wow. What more is there to say?
There's at least one more thing to say: This is not real.
It's a mockup. It doesn't exist. This is someone's idea of what they want Kicker to look like. Unfortunately, they haven't implemented it in code. Heck, they haven't even implemented it in Javascript, so we can't even test it out to see if it's even usable.
Sun isn't obliged to do jack in return
And neither are the BSD obliged to sit back and say "please sir, may we have some more?"
Nah. Releasing that same information to OpenBSD might make some Linux people think Sun was two-timing on them. There's nothing worse than a Linux kernel developer scorned...
There are not silver bullets in software development. Probably never will be. So get that out of your mind.
On the other hand, our toolbox is filling up with lots of nice silver hammers, silver screwdrivers and silver saws.
When I started coding, structured programming was the latest tool in the toolbox. It was and still is a great tool for many tasks. Since then we've gotten object oriented and generic programming tools. These are great tools as well. But they're still tools. Which means you have to but some labor into using them, and they won't be suitable for every task.
If you don't think that software development has improved in the past twenty five years, it's time you rummaged through your toolbox and picked something other than a screwdriver to hammer in nails.
Even Sun knows where the future lies.
Yeah, in the buzzword bandwagon. Linux is good press. People will write article about Sun moving to Linux. But no one outside of a small community has even heard of BSD. It won't play well in the press. Since Sun is a publicly traded company, they NEED good and constant press. Since Linux is the current tech media darling, it only makes sense to latch on to Linux.
I'd rather have the OpenBSD guys auditing linux code instead
I wish SOMEONE would audit the Linux code. And I wish someone would audit the GNU code that typically surrounds it. But OpenBSD is a separate project. There are at least ten times as many Linux developers as OpenBSD developers. Surely one or two of them are capable of auditing their own project.
Looks like the most technologically forward nation will be the last to embrace OSS.
Funny, from where I sit it looks like BSD came from the west coast of the US, and GNU from the east coast of the US. Those two projects are the cornerstones of Free Software and Open Source. Most early Linux distros were based in the US. Mozilla got started in the US. Although KDE had a lot of roots in Europe, GNOME had a lot of roots in the US. Slashdot is in the US.
But don't mistake this memo as proof that India is dumping Microsoft. They are not. This memo was from a LUG to a regional government. Similar memos issue from US based LUGs every few months.
In the meantime, many US based companies and a few local governments are already switching to an OSS infrastructure. I do expect that India will probably dump Microsoft at the government level, but no one knows if it will be before or after the US does.
Besides, this isn't a race. "World domination" is a joke, not a goal.