What are the ecological side effects of the ship being hit by the torpedo and spilling all of the hazardous chemicals/materials into the water??? I know the optimal solution is to have people stop launching torpedos at each other but that is not a likely scenario.
802.11i is not "being developed" it is a fully ratified standard. Check Wikipedia or if you are feeling REALLY ambitious, flip through a 108 slide PowerPoint overview of the standard.
Heck, the WPA portion was released well prior to ratification of the standard and is incorporated into many home WiFi Ap's, routers etc.
This announcment make make my request pointless but here goes:
I have been thinking about starting up a DSL based ISP and obviously need to have a thorough knowledge of the technology and how to implement it. Finding books\papers that really dig into the topic is darn near impossible. I found this book. Does that book cover the topic sufficiently to let you really implement it or do you know of any better/complimentary books?
Most business users have quite a bit more than just an office suite (MS or otherwise):
Office suite Extensions/plug-ins for office suite programs VPN client Wireless connectivity including related security tools/applications (w/multiple profiles) Genuine use of TCP/IP (routes,vlans, etc.) Virus Scanning Firewall *MANY* programs that are specific to an indavidual job role. remote management software Enterprise wide application software (db access, ERP, etc.)
Is an office suite really all you have on your work issued computer?
If you are going to put an opinion out that flies in the face of so many contrary stories which include examples refuting your opinion, you may wish to include some actual that support your opinion and allow it to be weighed on its merit rather than you sounding like a standard issue user who is incapable of making reliable informed decisions on the technical tools that are given to you.
I wish I had a nickle for every time one of my users issued the same *argument* you are. I have many times relented to them and then 6-8 months later picked up the shattered pieces of their technology dreams and issued them the solution I initially recommened, only to have my solution last so long that they forget the previous heartache and we get to go through the sequence all over again.
The requirement on someone's home/hobby/job on the side, computer are radically different than in a corporate environment where you are driving the technology very hard.
IMHO you are correct that a user should understand the basic operations of their computer/OS. However, it has to be usable enough for them to work on it so they can learn these things.
One more point that seems to be overlooked in this discussion, Linux is a powerful flexible OS. That being the case it should be trivial to make entry level tasks follow some default behavior that is simple and direct. This way it will "just work" for entry level users and more advanced users can invoke options to get what they want.
This is getting wayyy off topic but what the hell, why not. Tariffs, embargoes and witholding aid prevent oppressive goverments from profiting (The funds would not reach the oppressed even if the were allowed to get through). And if you look again, I did not call the blacklists terrorists I simply used terrorists as an example of another group that wantonly abuses inncoents to reach their ends.
I hate spam and I agree with the goal of the blacklists but I subscribe to the theory that if you have to stoop to the level of the "bad guys" you are no better than they are.
That sounds an awful lot like a terrorist who threatens to kill a hostage unless their terms are met. Cause undue pain and suffering to an innocent bystander until you are conceded to.
* July 21 2003 - Beta 1 release
* August 8 2003 - Stop Ship Mode starts (only StopShip bug fixes after this point)
* August 18 2003 - Beta 2 release
* September 15 2003 - Beta 3 release
* October 6 2003 - General Availability
Cambridge++
No dates set yet, but a driving goal or defining characteristic will be the 2.6 Linux kernel -- unless the 2.6 Linux kernel takes too long to arrive. That is, we'll shorten the schedule to accomodate an earlier release of the 2.6 kernel, but not lengthen it to accomodate a later release of the 2.6 kernel.
----- end of copy ------
Here they are calling it Cambridge rather than Severn (even at the beta stage of the schedule), but I guess moving to the 2.6 kernel would justify incrementing the major version number:-)
First let me thank you, if I am remembering correctly, it was your project that gave birth to the LRP which then brached off into LEAF. I am running Dachstein from a floppy on a 486/66 w/16MB RAM. And that just kicks butt!!!
--OFF TOPIC BUT ON THREAD-- I have dug through the lists and found GuitarLynn's(??) posting about which module to load and which ports to open but I was having trouble with where/how to load the module and what changes I needed to make to get the ports open. That's the part where I didn't really have the time to fiddle with it.
I agree with you 100%. It is VERY important to keep the cash flow side of your life in mind when you are going to write code and GPL it. To me it seems like the *only* component he was missing was the mechanism to turn a profit on his work(I know, duh, but bear with me). He apparently never looked at himself as a vendor. I bet there could have been money to be made in selling prebuilt systems or selling his knowledge via some kind of support channel.
I use LRP as my router/firewall to connect my home network to my cable modem. One MAJOR problem I have with it is that I can't get my home -> work VPN connection to setup through my LRP box. After much googleing I have found that it is possible, but the mechanism to do it is sufficiently beyond me and my wife would not appreciate hours and hours of down time while I fiddle with it. I would have gladly payed for a preconfigured floppy, CD, flash drive (preferrably flash drive because it's just cool!) to get me going...
It's too bad really, LRP is VERY god at what it does. I for one will miss it.
I completely disagree with your reasoning on this one, but that point is made by other people's replies already.
To go beyond your question. Why are people still buying CD's, DVD's, Tivo, etc... if they truly dislike the products' restrictions???? I know this has been said over and over but in a capitalistic economy it is *easy* for a large group of current consumers to alter the behavior of a company!
Can someone please explain to me why I was modded troll? The person that submitted the story made the trollish comment "(no link, u know why)" I only attempted to show the presumption of reader idiocy with my comment. Does this make all debates, where a critical analysis of the speakers' words is employed, troll fests?
This idea of letting users install "whatever they need" is how organizations get busted for licensing ifractions. Besides that, who says that the software a random user installs is stable and will play nice with the other software on the system? Should the people responsible for system uptime/availability be expected to spend precious resources scouring a facility for illegal software and fixing machines that were needlessly broken? IT departments are charged with providing the required services to all of the authorized users with as much efficiency to the users as a whole as possible. Not trapsing around after a small handfull of users who think the systems are their just for them.
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What are the ecological side effects of the ship being hit by the torpedo and spilling all of the hazardous chemicals/materials into the water??? I know the optimal solution is to have people stop launching torpedos at each other but that is not a likely scenario.
802.11i is not "being developed" it is a fully ratified standard. Check Wikipedia or if you are feeling REALLY ambitious, flip through a 108 slide PowerPoint overview of the standard.
Heck, the WPA portion was released well prior to ratification of the standard and is incorporated into many home WiFi Ap's, routers etc.
This announcment make make my request pointless but here goes:
I have been thinking about starting up a DSL based ISP and obviously need to have a thorough knowledge of the technology and how to implement it. Finding books\papers that really dig into the topic is darn near impossible. I found this book. Does that book cover the topic sufficiently to let you really implement it or do you know of any better/complimentary books?
Most business users have quite a bit more than just an office suite (MS or otherwise):
Office suite
Extensions/plug-ins for office suite programs
VPN client
Wireless connectivity including related security tools/applications (w/multiple profiles)
Genuine use of TCP/IP (routes,vlans, etc.)
Virus Scanning
Firewall
*MANY* programs that are specific to an indavidual job role.
remote management software
Enterprise wide application software (db access, ERP, etc.)
Is an office suite really all you have on your work issued computer?
If you are going to put an opinion out that flies in the face of so many contrary stories which include examples refuting your opinion, you may wish to include some actual that support your opinion and allow it to be weighed on its merit rather than you sounding like a standard issue user who is incapable of making reliable informed decisions on the technical tools that are given to you.
I wish I had a nickle for every time one of my users issued the same *argument* you are. I have many times relented to them and then 6-8 months later picked up the shattered pieces of their technology dreams and issued them the solution I initially recommened, only to have my solution last so long that they forget the previous heartache and we get to go through the sequence all over again.
The requirement on someone's home/hobby/job on the side, computer are radically different than in a corporate environment where you are driving the technology very hard.
2 mod points were actually wasted on my comment... I'm not sure what to say.
;-)
Wait, I know... care to try again?
"Yes, its a dupe. get over it."
Oh quit your whining and take your bitch-slappin' like a man... Sheesh.
Again totally off mark. I never said the tools are not good.
Actually, you said I can safely say that perhaps us "young whippersnappers" don't use vim or emacs because they suck?
And in case you seemed unclear the first time you reiterated with I never said that emacs/vim are not powerful. I just said they suck.
So, they suck != not good ???
Hi Jenni!
IMHO you are correct that a user should understand the basic operations of their computer/OS. However, it has to be usable enough for them to work on it so they can learn these things.
One more point that seems to be overlooked in this discussion, Linux is a powerful flexible OS. That being the case it should be trivial to make entry level tasks follow some default behavior that is simple and direct. This way it will "just work" for entry level users and more advanced users can invoke options to get what they want.
This is getting wayyy off topic but what the hell, why not. Tariffs, embargoes and witholding aid prevent oppressive goverments from profiting (The funds would not reach the oppressed even if the were allowed to get through). And if you look again, I did not call the blacklists terrorists I simply used terrorists as an example of another group that wantonly abuses inncoents to reach their ends.
I hate spam and I agree with the goal of the blacklists but I subscribe to the theory that if you have to stoop to the level of the "bad guys" you are no better than they are.
That sounds an awful lot like a terrorist who threatens to kill a hostage unless their terms are met. Cause undue pain and suffering to an innocent bystander until you are conceded to.
Does the end really justify the means?
OK, I'm stoopid and all but what part of
/dev/null'ing viruses are trivial.
/dev/nell comment alone was one hell of a hint that he's *probably* on a *nix box.
don't run any windows computers, and
led you to believe that he runs Outlook? Hell the
Cambridge
:-)
* July 21 2003 - Beta 1 release
* August 8 2003 - Stop Ship Mode starts (only StopShip bug fixes after this point)
* August 18 2003 - Beta 2 release
* September 15 2003 - Beta 3 release
* October 6 2003 - General Availability
Cambridge++
No dates set yet, but a driving goal or defining characteristic will be the 2.6 Linux kernel -- unless the 2.6 Linux kernel takes too long to arrive. That is, we'll shorten the schedule to accomodate an earlier release of the 2.6 kernel, but not lengthen it to accomodate a later release of the 2.6 kernel.
----- end of copy ------
Here they are calling it Cambridge rather than Severn (even at the beta stage of the schedule), but I guess moving to the 2.6 kernel would justify incrementing the major version number
You obviously aren't married ;-)
I am assuming you are THE Charles Steinkuehler.
First let me thank you, if I am remembering correctly, it was your project that gave birth to the LRP which then brached off into LEAF. I am running Dachstein from a floppy on a 486/66 w/16MB RAM. And that just kicks butt!!!
--OFF TOPIC BUT ON THREAD-- I have dug through the lists and found GuitarLynn's(??) posting about which module to load and which ports to open but I was having trouble with where/how to load the module and what changes I needed to make to get the ports open. That's the part where I didn't really have the time to fiddle with it.
I agree with you 100%. It is VERY important to keep the cash flow side of your life in mind when you are going to write code and GPL it. To me it seems like the *only* component he was missing was the mechanism to turn a profit on his work(I know, duh, but bear with me). He apparently never looked at himself as a vendor. I bet there could have been money to be made in selling prebuilt systems or selling his knowledge via some kind of support channel.
I use LRP as my router/firewall to connect my home network to my cable modem. One MAJOR problem I have with it is that I can't get my home -> work VPN connection to setup through my LRP box. After much googleing I have found that it is possible, but the mechanism to do it is sufficiently beyond me and my wife would not appreciate hours and hours of down time while I fiddle with it. I would have gladly payed for a preconfigured floppy, CD, flash drive (preferrably flash drive because it's just cool!) to get me going...
It's too bad really, LRP is VERY god at what it does. I for one will miss it.
I can't speak for anyone else, but my belief set is not defined by my ability to change the world but rather my desire to do what I think is right.
Even so, I understand the added effect of a large group speaking in a single voice and would love it if such an organized *event* occured.
I completely disagree with your reasoning on this one, but that point is made by other people's replies already.
To go beyond your question. Why are people still buying CD's, DVD's, Tivo, etc... if they truly dislike the products' restrictions???? I know this has been said over and over but in a capitalistic economy it is *easy* for a large group of current consumers to alter the behavior of a company!
Can someone please explain to me why I was modded troll? The person that submitted the story made the trollish comment "(no link, u know why)" I only attempted to show the presumption of reader idiocy with my comment. Does this make all debates, where a critical analysis of the speakers' words is employed, troll fests?
Mmmmm... Red pill.... UHggghhghghghg
I don't know why I am unable to make my own decision on whether to click a link or not? Good thing the poster was there to protect me from myself!
nick.com
This idea of letting users install "whatever they need" is how organizations get busted for licensing ifractions. Besides that, who says that the software a random user installs is stable and will play nice with the other software on the system? Should the people responsible for system uptime/availability be expected to spend precious resources scouring a facility for illegal software and fixing machines that were needlessly broken? IT departments are charged with providing the required services to all of the authorized users with as much efficiency to the users as a whole as possible. Not trapsing around after a small handfull of users who think the systems are their just for them.
10 if you can't still hear, the mechanical voice saying them, in your head.