The trade and sale of tangible objects such as artwork or baseball cards are on an individual basis...somebody in here mentioned (and should have been modded up) that the EQ world is a community, and created for the quest effect.
Certainly they place value on their time, but perhaps they spent too much time, and are feeling their own impotence, as in, now they have a lvl60 wizzy, and they have reached the peak of their personal potential. What they forget is that there are many many others just on their server who have NOT reached that peak, but want to fight their own way their, unhindered by "bought" characters and newbies with the best quest items.
Yeah yeah, it's a free country, hooray for free enterprise all that. But does one have to be an asshole about a GAME to validate one's place in a capitalist system??
I am a regular EQ player, and find that I am disgusted at the greed and exploitation older players exhibit with these "sales." Not to mention how pissed off I get when I work my tail off for a stupid lvl12 and a fucking newbie at lvl 34, dressed to the nine's, begs me for food because they are broke.
I read the contract before I signed it. You don't like the rules? Too bad. You bored at a high level, and wanna make a fast profit because you have no life outside of EQ? (this coming from a player!!) Get a fucking job. EverCrack isn't real. It's just fun. Good god.
everyone is missing the most important point with the lengthy debate on the legality of the eBay sales, i.e., it's all a game, people.
aren't games supposed to be about accomplishing some sort of goal?
(hehe, or QUEST, as the case may be)
I play EQ because I want to accomplish all the small goals that are part of a role-playing game.
Selling the shit I want to people who didn't earn it, and thereby making it nearly impossible for me to earn those items myself, makes the QUEST a pointless exercise. Yeah, Sony's pissed...people like me won't want to play if I have to pay ANOTHER $50 bucks for an item that I can't even have the inherent enjoyment of winning for myself.
It's just a game people. Games are fun. Keep it that way, and just play the goddam thing.
How do you propose to solve the problem of overcrowded schools/classrooms?
I recently saw a tv commercial from the VA governor, George Allen. He promised to get at least 160,000 new teachers for the state. But my question is, does he propose to pay better salaries to those in teaching positions? That would be great, yeah, everyone becomes a teacher for the money, that's exactly the kind of education I want my (hypothetical) child to have.
Everyone wants more teachers, better schools, less crowded classrooms, and higher educational standards. Supposedly, these things will alleviate the horrid crimes committed by students. But I have yet to hear of a satisfactory solution of any kind.
Any techies out there with any ideas?
and oh, P.S. What about us college students? Do they think that we only use our PC's for research? And most of us (except those super-genius's among us) are of an age where it would be much easier to gain access weapons for the purpose of killing.
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I don't know about mid-coitus, but definitely interesting conversation.
Nothing is more fascinating than a brilliant man, and so many "geeks" are vastly intelligent.
Perhaps the tequila that I've had this evening is speaking through me... even so, I know that I am but an aspiring geek, with lofty goals regarding the famous BSD and Linux... perhaps one day soon I will be able to converse with at least minimal knowledge regarding the wide world of programming and open source.
However, for now I will continue in my quest for intellectual higher ground by surveying the beautiful land of slashdot....
Girl geeks will soon take over the world! (or at least all the most attractive men... you know, the one's who converse with intelligence!!
Ah well, at least there is "Lightsabre" - an "..re" word born the USA
Nope nope. I will admit, it's prettier spelled that way, and I would love to take the credit, as an American, for the spelling. But once again, I direct all of your eyes to the OED, where you can find the history of the word "sabre." Something tells me (dunno, maybe all those history classes acutally amounted to something after all) that "sabres", as in the weapon, existed a few centuries before the illustrious Lucas and his outstanding screenplays. He's a great guy, we all love 'im, but I wouldn't give him credit for inventing swords...
Here's what the Merriam Online Dictionary has to say:
Main Entry: 1saber Variant(s): or sabre/'sA-b&r/ Function: noun Etymology: French sabre, modification of German dialect Sabel, from Middle High German, probably of Slavic origin; akin to Russian sablya saber Date: 1680
1 : a cavalry sword with a curved blade, thick back, and guard 2 a : a light fencing or dueling sword having an arched guard that covers the back of the hand and a tapering flexible blade with a full cutting edge along one side and a partial cutting edge on the back at the tip -- compare éPée, FOIL b : the sport of fencing with the saber
True, the -re spellings are correct in the US, mostly, as are the -our (as in Colour, honour, etc) they're just not part of the prescribed spelling rules that have evolved here.
- a meter is a needle display. Not to be confused with a metre - a unit of measurement.
Um, no need to apologize, but you're still wrong. In American English (though I s'pose it is an assumption on my part that Alex was speaking in that particular dialect...:) both of the above-mentioned nouns are spelled the same way, even though they are semantically different. Them's called homonyms... sound/spelled same, mean differnt.
Metre is a return to the original spelling. Check out the etymology in the OED here. Warning You have to register to use the OED online.
Heck, maybe I'm incorrect. It has happened before. But we don't talk about that. -k.-
Not that I care if you are all for "sex for children," that just takes us back to the main issue at stake here. (besides, of course, the idea of crappy software being marketed to gullible consumers) Freedom of speech. Someone said, waaaay back in the original thread, that that which is not specifically denied in the Constitution, is allowable to US citizens, and that any powers not specifically granted to the government are not valid. So they can't regulate what we like to look at, hear, create, etc.
So yeah sure, internet porn is good, great, grand, wonderful, and shouldn't be regulated in this way. But what the "good grief" AC probably was referring to was adult-to-child porn... as in, the exploitation of very young children who may or may not have had a choice. Thus their freedoms were violated, in which case free speech has no bearing, as the rights of another were impinged upon, and/or that individual was harmed in some way. Think in terms of libel and slander, as much less extreme examples of the same idea. (again, see the really insightful posts farther up)
Your comment IS very informative, BUT I have one question:
Napster really should figure out a way log transfers and cut artists checks for 50-75% of their (Napsters) projected take (once they've figured a way to make money... ads, anyone?)
With the enormous volume of transfers that take place on Napster every hour, what kind of system would have to be developed to log and trace them? Would I end up whipping out my trusty Discover card for every tune I download? And what about all of the "Public Domain" music, as in classical, etc. Although I suppose the performer could be compensated... Then that leads to issues of filenames and making sure the artist(s) are associated with the files correctly... And, oh my word what if they're... Dead?!?
Ads, I suppose are a good idea, but again, with the huge number of downloads, not to mention the voluminous lists of every imaginable artist and music, will ads generate enough revenue to satisfy those in the industry??
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Yeah yeah, it's a free country, hooray for free enterprise all that. But does one have to be an asshole about a GAME to validate one's place in a capitalist system??
I am a regular EQ player, and find that I am disgusted at the greed and exploitation older players exhibit with these "sales." Not to mention how pissed off I get when I work my tail off for a stupid lvl12 and a fucking newbie at lvl 34, dressed to the nine's, begs me for food because they are broke.
I read the contract before I signed it. You don't like the rules? Too bad. You bored at a high level, and wanna make a fast profit because you have no life outside of EQ? (this coming from a player!!) Get a fucking job. EverCrack isn't real. It's just fun. Good god.
-k-
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sales, i.e., it's all a game, people.
aren't games supposed to be about accomplishing some sort of goal?
(hehe, or QUEST, as the case may be)
I play EQ because I want to accomplish all the small goals that are part of a role-playing game.
Selling the shit I want to people who didn't earn it, and thereby making it nearly impossible for me to earn those items myself, makes the QUEST a pointless exercise. Yeah, Sony's pissed...people like me won't want to play if I have to pay ANOTHER $50 bucks for an item that I can't even have the inherent enjoyment of winning for myself.
It's just a game people. Games are fun. Keep it that way, and just play the goddam thing.
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How do you propose to solve the problem of overcrowded schools/classrooms?
I recently saw a tv commercial from the VA governor, George Allen. He promised to get at least 160,000 new teachers for the state. But my question is, does he propose to pay better salaries to those in teaching positions? That would be great, yeah, everyone becomes a teacher for the money, that's exactly the kind of education I want my (hypothetical) child to have.
Everyone wants more teachers, better schools, less crowded classrooms, and higher educational standards. Supposedly, these things will alleviate the horrid crimes committed by students. But I have yet to hear of a satisfactory solution of any kind.
Any techies out there with any ideas?
and oh, P.S. What about us college students? Do they think that we only use our PC's for research? And most of us (except those super-genius's among us) are of an age where it would be much easier to gain access weapons for the purpose of killing. _____________________
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I don't know about mid-coitus, but definitely interesting conversation.
Nothing is more fascinating than a brilliant man, and so many "geeks" are vastly intelligent.
Perhaps the tequila that I've had this evening is speaking through me... even so, I know that I am but an aspiring geek, with lofty goals regarding the famous BSD and Linux... perhaps one day soon I will be able to converse with at least minimal knowledge regarding the wide world of programming and open source.
However, for now I will continue in my quest for intellectual higher ground by surveying the beautiful land of slashdot....
Girl geeks will soon take over the world! (or at least all the most attractive men... you know, the one's who converse with intelligence!!
-k-
Nope nope. I will admit, it's prettier spelled that way, and I would love to take the credit, as an American, for the spelling. But once again, I direct all of your eyes to the OED, where you can find the history of the word "sabre." Something tells me (dunno, maybe all those history classes acutally amounted to something after all) that "sabres", as in the weapon, existed a few centuries before the illustrious Lucas and his outstanding screenplays. He's a great guy, we all love 'im, but I wouldn't give him credit for inventing swords...
Here's what the Merriam Online Dictionary has to say:
True, the -re spellings are correct in the US, mostly, as are the -our (as in Colour, honour, etc) they're just not part of the prescribed spelling rules that have evolved here.
-k-
Um, no need to apologize, but you're still wrong. In American English (though I s'pose it is an assumption on my part that Alex was speaking in that particular dialect...:) both of the above-mentioned nouns are spelled the same way, even though they are semantically different. Them's called homonyms... sound/spelled same, mean differnt.
Metre is a return to the original spelling. Check out the etymology in the OED here.
Warning You have to register to use the OED online.
Heck, maybe I'm incorrect. It has happened before. But we don't talk about that.
-k.-
I really hope you're trolling.
Not that I care if you are all for "sex for children," that just takes us back to the main issue at stake here. (besides, of course, the idea of crappy software being marketed to gullible consumers) Freedom of speech.
Someone said, waaaay back in the original thread, that that which is not specifically denied in the Constitution, is allowable to US citizens, and that any powers not specifically granted to the government are not valid. So they can't regulate what we like to look at, hear, create, etc.
So yeah sure, internet porn is good, great, grand, wonderful, and shouldn't be regulated in this way.
But what the "good grief" AC probably was referring to was adult-to-child porn... as in, the exploitation of very young children who may or may not have had a choice. Thus their freedoms were violated, in which case free speech has no bearing, as the rights of another were impinged upon, and/or that individual was harmed in some way. Think in terms of libel and slander, as much less extreme examples of the same idea. (again, see the really insightful posts farther up)
-k-
With the enormous volume of transfers that take place on Napster every hour, what kind of system would have to be developed to log and trace them? Would I end up whipping out my trusty Discover card for every tune I download? And what about all of the "Public Domain" music, as in classical, etc. Although I suppose the performer could be compensated...
Then that leads to issues of filenames and making sure the artist(s) are associated with the files correctly... And, oh my word what if they're... Dead?!?
Ads, I suppose are a good idea, but again, with the huge number of downloads, not to mention the voluminous lists of every imaginable artist and music, will ads generate enough revenue to satisfy those in the industry??
--k--