You own your collection just like you would any other physical object. That vinyl, 8-track, Cassette Tape, CD, LaserDisc, DVD, etc and their contents belong to you. You can copy them all day long to your heart's content or you can sell them to whoever. You don't liscense the music on these mediums. That's what people forget! The music on the CD/Vinyl/etc is just like the internal workings of anything else. When you sell or buy a used car, Chrysler, GM, Ford, etc. don't get a dime from that transaction. Why? Because manufactures and their distributers are ONLY entitled to first sale. After that it, the good, becomes property of the consumer and he/she can do anything they want to it. What people have forgotten is that basic fact. Liscensing is a way to take ownership away from consumers. Software vendors have been doing that for years, but as long as I've got the CD or disk in my grubby little hands I will continue to do with it what I damn please. Any grumpings from those who try to liscense their software/music to me can be directed to/dev/null. So yes, you do own your purchases, and you can do whatever you want, despite of whatever the liscense says. Have fun and don't be encumbered by all the bullshit that is copyright law! Kirch
Ok, this might be a bit off topic. You said that suicidal rates were almost nil 50 years ago? Where did you get that figure exactly? While many governments did not take such statistics with any degree of accuracy and most religions frown on suicide, suicide has been going strong for decades in almost ALL cultures. Japanese practice "sepuka?" (sorry I forget the spelling) which is ritualistic suicide. This, for those who don't know, was basically disembowling yourself. Nice way to die, eh? Story tellers, such as Shakespeare, used suicide in their stories, giving us an example that suicide exsisted in their culture. History, too, is ripe with examples of suicide. Even western history is riddled with ancedotes of suicides. Just becasue we know more about suicides today, does not make it more prevalent in today's society. It just means we are more aware of what is going on in today's society than our forefathers EVER were. And to some that is just too frightening. Kirch
This is way late! Car MP3 players are already here. Check out the following: Aiwa CDC-MP3 and reviews can be found here and here and here and buy it hereKenwood eXcelon Z919 read about that here I can't wait to get that Aiwa one so I can listen to tons of my CD's without taking them with me on those longs trips! Kirch
Watch the Simpsons sometime. Believe it or not, there is deep social commentary blantantly sandwitched between Homer's "DOH" and Bart's "Eat my Shorts, Man!" Also to point up something I read earlier, one reason I identified with X-Men was not because it paralleled the gay persecution or whatever that guy in Salon wrote, but because I was a teen and saw these people going through stuff I was being faced with. I had lots of anger issues and I idolized Wolvie because he didn't bottle up his anger. Instead He did what I wanted to do, kick butt! Kirch
Dude Rock On! I know I will get flamed for this but Star Wars: Episode I was released on my Birthday, May 19! I did the same thing, Star Wars Cake, Star Wars toys (my 26th b-day). I still got all my Star War figures from A New Hope. I saw ANH 7 times. My grade school buddies and I were crazy about it. I even still have a Millenium Falcon I got in 1980! Have fun ! Oh and BTW Happy Birthday! Kirch
This whole Napster/DMCAA/RIAA/MPAA/2600.com is about one thing. Civil Disobedience. Our current laws don't handle electronic information very well at it's best and bobbles it horribly at it's worst. Intellectual Property IS NOT a permanent right of an individual. Copyrights were temporary protection. Not permanent. As many people before have pointed out, no copyright has expired since after WW2. DMCA is flawed. It makes no comparison between "strong" and "weak" encryption. It basically outlaws THINKING. Oh yeah you can crack any encryption but god forbid you talk to anybody else, especially electronically. Exposing a flaw in an encryption technology/algorithm/etc in the US would lead you to the slammer. DMCA was a knee jerk reaction by those who don't understand, and don't realize they outlawed thinking. One way we can fight this is by doing what you claim isn't right. Civil Disobedience. I personally don't think current US copyright and IP laws make any sense in the 21st century. Like Thoreau before me, I do what I can. I use Napster. I haven't bought a single CD since Napster!*SHOCK* *GASP* Why should I buy CD's when I can cut my own that have a quailty so close to retail CD's I cannot tell the difference. Also I can put the songs in the order I want. I also use Gnutella. If you check out my web site, you will find DeCSS. This is civil disobedience. Believe it or not, I'm a military man. I believe in the Constitution. I've given my oath to defend it. The main problem with this whole mess is that it only is applicable in the borders of the US. You guys in NZ or UK or anywhere else don't have to pay any attention to it(US Constitution). Which brings me to another point, the internet is borderless. The enherent problem in enforcing the DMCA or another US law that fines people $5k(US) for each song they steal is that how do you enforce that fine to someone who downloaded Britney's latest fluff who lives in Swaziland for instance. Good luck extracting that $5k! Americans! Write your congressmen! Explain the flaws that you see in the DMCA. Or any other law. Don't Email, snail mail get's more response and is taken more seriously. Remember these are the same people who voted overwhemingly for the DMCA and such. I am writing my congressmen! Don't just use Civil Disobedience by itself. The price of freedom IS vigilance. I hope that all our brothers, sisters, fathers, and mothers who died in battle protecting that freedom did NOT die in vain because we, as a generation and a nation, let it (freedom) slip through our fingers while we slept! FREEDOM!Sorry about the overplayed emotion. I can't help myself sometimes.:D Kirch
Not only did sheep help to create deserts, but deforestation played a role in this as well. We know from the deforestation in the rain forests of South America, the soil is very poor and sandy. This is due to the most of the mineral and nutrients in the soil being stripped by the massive trees. When those trees are slashed and burned, only a small percentage of the mineral and nutients actually permeate the soil. The soil is so sandy, most of it just washes through. When the farmers try to farm the now cleared land, they might get two to three seasons until the fields become barren deserts. These are abandonded and the farmers move to the next cleared patch. This is not only happening in SA but in Africa as well. It also happened in eastern US but thankfully no desert was formed. The land was found basically unsuitable for farming and then the midwest became very attractive. Thankfully we now have a Second and third generation Eastern Decidious Forest in the US. Such a fate is not what will befall the rain forests. They will turn to deserts if current practices continue. Talk about changing the weather! Kirch
Ah,ha fellow/.er You have fallen on the misconception that early internet users.. uh crackers had "skill, ingeniousness, and creativity". I can only point to a true story written by Cliff Stoll called The Cuckoo's Egg It was first printed in 1989 and chronicles the capture of a spy cracker. The spy wasn't that smart but had some basic fundamental knowledge of unix and knew of some basic security holes. It's a great read for any sysadmin. or/.er for that matter. My point being don't bemoan the days of old, when they weren't much different than today. It's always been a bone of contention of mine with the WW2 Generation. There has always been a certain percentage of scum (see History) and as population increases, the percentage roughly stays the same, but the number of scum increases. So as it is with script kiddies. Until we can get off this overcrowded planet and onto other worlds with more elbow room, this will more than likely be the case Kirch
I've posted an Ask Slashdot question that brings to the front the point you made. Is weak encryption protected by DMCA? If I use a "Captain Crunch Decoder Ring" encryption in my digital "IP" and you crack the encryption 'cause it's so lame, can I have you're sorry ass dragged to jail? I wonder if this ever came up during the debates over DMCA? Kirch
Get a cheap DSL/Cable line, keep constant watching of your ip address and run your servers. The ISP will be none the wiser. Most of these DSL/Cable ISP's are run on a shoestring when it comes to technical smarts. I run IIS 5 off of my CM and it does fine. So I shut up and quietly set it up. My web site it run straight off my home machine. I too got the big song and dance about their commercial line. There are lots of places that will do domain rerouting for you. Some for a charge, others for free. Works great in our case. Hope this helps! Kirch
Ok if you're going to nitpick, the P2 was nothing more than a Pumped up Pentium Pro core with MMX added to the instruction set. Nothing more. Nothing new to the x86 but MMX. Hardly a generational change! Kirch
I agree with you that PentiumII and P3's are Pentium Pro's which has been around awhile. That means in x86 talk: Pentium = 586 Pentium Pro = 686 PentiumII = 686 Celrons (all) = 686 now Pentium4 = 786? Now it would be nice to see Intel move to a "new" generation of x86. I've known since p2's came out what they really were, pumped up Pentium Pros with MMX. That has always bothered me. If I'm going to pay for new technology, I want new stuff, not tweaked out old stuff. Kirch
This has a circular nature to it. Doesn't this remind you of the big mainframe days. Oh BTW, anyone with a broadband connection that is stable and run by idiots (I know, a contraction!) can do this very thing with Windows NT 4.0 Server Terminal Edition or Win2k Server Terminal Edition and sell services to local business offices. All you need is a good server with enough RAM, a little/. savvy (which we all have:) ( ---- Karma whoring!) and you're in business! Kirch
IMHO the Oil Cartels have *snuffed* anyone who upsets their power. This includes that dude who invented the H20 internal combustion engine. His remains are rotting in a dungeon somewhere underneath the Shell/Texaco/etc Company HQ somewhere. Don't trust them, never will! Kirch
Don Henly, Sheryl Crow and others are fighting the "work for hire" copyright law. Only thing is that it is not retroactive. Metallica owns it's studio recordings. (They still suck IMHO) "work for hire" would only affect artists after the law changed. I'm not sure it ever passed or not. Anyone? Kirch
I think this goes with the topic and it is one I have been wrangling with since this whole Napster/Gnutella thing reared it's ugly head. In America, anybody can sue anyone. This is a civil case and the burdon of proof lies in the accused. There IS no innocent until proven guilty in civil cases. Rather you're guilty until proven innnocent. So RIAA and MPAA and whoever can bleet all they want, DMCA or not. If the Fed's get involved and try to prosecute, well, I would seriously wonder about the political ambitions of the DA who backed that case. Just my two non-cents. Kirch Signature! We don't need no steenking signature!
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You own your collection just like you would any other physical object. That vinyl, 8-track, Cassette Tape, CD, LaserDisc, DVD, etc and their contents belong to you. You can copy them all day long to your heart's content or you can sell them to whoever. You don't liscense the music on these mediums. That's what people forget! The music on the CD/Vinyl/etc is just like the internal workings of anything else. When you sell or buy a used car, Chrysler, GM, Ford, etc. don't get a dime from that transaction. Why? Because manufactures and their distributers are ONLY entitled to first sale. After that it, the good, becomes property of the consumer and he/she can do anything they want to it. What people have forgotten is that basic fact. Liscensing is a way to take ownership away from consumers. Software vendors have been doing that for years, but as long as I've got the CD or disk in my grubby little hands I will continue to do with it what I damn please. Any grumpings from those who try to liscense their software/music to me can be directed to /dev/null. So yes, you do own your purchases, and you can do whatever you want, despite of whatever the liscense says. Have fun and don't be encumbered by all the bullshit that is copyright law! Kirch
Ok, this might be a bit off topic. You said that suicidal rates were almost nil 50 years ago? Where did you get that figure exactly? While many governments did not take such statistics with any degree of accuracy and most religions frown on suicide, suicide has been going strong for decades in almost ALL cultures. Japanese practice "sepuka?" (sorry I forget the spelling) which is ritualistic suicide. This, for those who don't know, was basically disembowling yourself. Nice way to die, eh? Story tellers, such as Shakespeare, used suicide in their stories, giving us an example that suicide exsisted in their culture. History, too, is ripe with examples of suicide. Even western history is riddled with ancedotes of suicides. Just becasue we know more about suicides today, does not make it more prevalent in today's society. It just means we are more aware of what is going on in today's society than our forefathers EVER were. And to some that is just too frightening. Kirch
Ahem.. The Internet has NO BORDERS! Just had to get that off my chest :D Especially after reading all of this thread. Kirch
This is way late! Car MP3 players are already here. Check out the following: Aiwa CDC-MP3 and reviews can be found here and here and here and buy it here Kenwood eXcelon Z919 read about that here I can't wait to get that Aiwa one so I can listen to tons of my CD's without taking them with me on those longs trips! Kirch
Watch the Simpsons sometime. Believe it or not, there is deep social commentary blantantly sandwitched between Homer's "DOH" and Bart's "Eat my Shorts, Man!" Also to point up something I read earlier, one reason I identified with X-Men was not because it paralleled the gay persecution or whatever that guy in Salon wrote, but because I was a teen and saw these people going through stuff I was being faced with. I had lots of anger issues and I idolized Wolvie because he didn't bottle up his anger. Instead He did what I wanted to do, kick butt! Kirch
Dude Rock On! I know I will get flamed for this but Star Wars: Episode I was released on my Birthday, May 19! I did the same thing, Star Wars Cake, Star Wars toys (my 26th b-day). I still got all my Star War figures from A New Hope. I saw ANH 7 times. My grade school buddies and I were crazy about it. I even still have a Millenium Falcon I got in 1980! Have fun ! Oh and BTW Happy Birthday! Kirch
This whole Napster/DMCAA/RIAA/MPAA/2600.com is about one thing. Civil Disobedience. Our current laws don't handle electronic information very well at it's best and bobbles it horribly at it's worst. Intellectual Property IS NOT a permanent right of an individual. Copyrights were temporary protection. Not permanent. As many people before have pointed out, no copyright has expired since after WW2. DMCA is flawed. It makes no comparison between "strong" and "weak" encryption. It basically outlaws THINKING. Oh yeah you can crack any encryption but god forbid you talk to anybody else, especially electronically. Exposing a flaw in an encryption technology/algorithm/etc in the US would lead you to the slammer. DMCA was a knee jerk reaction by those who don't understand, and don't realize they outlawed thinking. One way we can fight this is by doing what you claim isn't right. Civil Disobedience. I personally don't think current US copyright and IP laws make any sense in the 21st century. Like Thoreau before me, I do what I can. I use Napster. I haven't bought a single CD since Napster! *SHOCK* *GASP* Why should I buy CD's when I can cut my own that have a quailty so close to retail CD's I cannot tell the difference. Also I can put the songs in the order I want. I also use Gnutella. If you check out my web site, you will find DeCSS. This is civil disobedience. Believe it or not, I'm a military man. I believe in the Constitution. I've given my oath to defend it. The main problem with this whole mess is that it only is applicable in the borders of the US. You guys in NZ or UK or anywhere else don't have to pay any attention to it(US Constitution). Which brings me to another point, the internet is borderless. The enherent problem in enforcing the DMCA or another US law that fines people $5k(US) for each song they steal is that how do you enforce that fine to someone who downloaded Britney's latest fluff who lives in Swaziland for instance. Good luck extracting that $5k! Americans! Write your congressmen! Explain the flaws that you see in the DMCA. Or any other law. Don't Email, snail mail get's more response and is taken more seriously. Remember these are the same people who voted overwhemingly for the DMCA and such. I am writing my congressmen! Don't just use Civil Disobedience by itself. The price of freedom IS vigilance. I hope that all our brothers, sisters, fathers, and mothers who died in battle protecting that freedom did NOT die in vain because we, as a generation and a nation, let it (freedom) slip through our fingers while we slept! FREEDOM! Sorry about the overplayed emotion. I can't help myself sometimes. :D Kirch
Not only did sheep help to create deserts, but deforestation played a role in this as well. We know from the deforestation in the rain forests of South America, the soil is very poor and sandy. This is due to the most of the mineral and nutrients in the soil being stripped by the massive trees. When those trees are slashed and burned, only a small percentage of the mineral and nutients actually permeate the soil. The soil is so sandy, most of it just washes through. When the farmers try to farm the now cleared land, they might get two to three seasons until the fields become barren deserts. These are abandonded and the farmers move to the next cleared patch. This is not only happening in SA but in Africa as well. It also happened in eastern US but thankfully no desert was formed. The land was found basically unsuitable for farming and then the midwest became very attractive. Thankfully we now have a Second and third generation Eastern Decidious Forest in the US. Such a fate is not what will befall the rain forests. They will turn to deserts if current practices continue. Talk about changing the weather! Kirch
uh here is some more friendly links to the above mentioned sites. http://www.sesp.co.uk/ www.cguard.com/English/latests/index.html http://www.cb-security.com/catalo gue/products.htm http://home.earthlink.net/~montyhenry/surveillance 4.html Kirch
Ah,ha fellow /.er You have fallen on the misconception that early internet users.. uh crackers had "skill, ingeniousness, and creativity". I can only point to a true story written by Cliff Stoll called The Cuckoo's Egg It was first printed in 1989 and chronicles the capture of a spy cracker. The spy wasn't that smart but had some basic fundamental knowledge of unix and knew of some basic security holes. It's a great read for any sysadmin. or /.er for that matter. My point being don't bemoan the days of old, when they weren't much different than today. It's always been a bone of contention of mine with the WW2 Generation. There has always been a certain percentage of scum (see History) and as population increases, the percentage roughly stays the same, but the number of scum increases. So as it is with script kiddies. Until we can get off this overcrowded planet and onto other worlds with more elbow room, this will more than likely be the case Kirch
I've posted an Ask Slashdot question that brings to the front the point you made. Is weak encryption protected by DMCA? If I use a "Captain Crunch Decoder Ring" encryption in my digital "IP" and you crack the encryption 'cause it's so lame, can I have you're sorry ass dragged to jail? I wonder if this ever came up during the debates over DMCA? Kirch
Get a cheap DSL/Cable line, keep constant watching of your ip address and run your servers. The ISP will be none the wiser. Most of these DSL/Cable ISP's are run on a shoestring when it comes to technical smarts. I run IIS 5 off of my CM and it does fine. So I shut up and quietly set it up. My web site it run straight off my home machine. I too got the big song and dance about their commercial line. There are lots of places that will do domain rerouting for you. Some for a charge, others for free. Works great in our case. Hope this helps! Kirch
Exactly how do subspace transmission work? I've always wanted to know the theories behind that. Or is it just more Star Trek hogwash? Kirch
I'd rather not have a cell phone so when I want to "disconnect" I can. Kirch
Ok if you're going to nitpick, the P2 was nothing more than a Pumped up Pentium Pro core with MMX added to the instruction set. Nothing more. Nothing new to the x86 but MMX. Hardly a generational change! Kirch
I agree with you that PentiumII and P3's are Pentium Pro's which has been around awhile. That means in x86 talk: Pentium = 586 Pentium Pro = 686 PentiumII = 686 Celrons (all) = 686 now Pentium4 = 786? Now it would be nice to see Intel move to a "new" generation of x86. I've known since p2's came out what they really were, pumped up Pentium Pros with MMX. That has always bothered me. If I'm going to pay for new technology, I want new stuff, not tweaked out old stuff. Kirch
This has a circular nature to it. Doesn't this remind you of the big mainframe days. Oh BTW, anyone with a broadband connection that is stable and run by idiots (I know, a contraction!) can do this very thing with Windows NT 4.0 Server Terminal Edition or Win2k Server Terminal Edition and sell services to local business offices. All you need is a good server with enough RAM, a little /. savvy (which we all have :) ( ---- Karma whoring!) and you're in business! Kirch
IMHO the Oil Cartels have *snuffed* anyone who upsets their power. This includes that dude who invented the H20 internal combustion engine. His remains are rotting in a dungeon somewhere underneath the Shell/Texaco/etc Company HQ somewhere. Don't trust them, never will! Kirch
Don Henly, Sheryl Crow and others are fighting the "work for hire" copyright law. Only thing is that it is not retroactive. Metallica owns it's studio recordings. (They still suck IMHO) "work for hire" would only affect artists after the law changed. I'm not sure it ever passed or not. Anyone? Kirch
I think this goes with the topic and it is one I have been wrangling with since this whole Napster/Gnutella thing reared it's ugly head. In America, anybody can sue anyone. This is a civil case and the burdon of proof lies in the accused. There IS no innocent until proven guilty in civil cases. Rather you're guilty until proven innnocent. So RIAA and MPAA and whoever can bleet all they want, DMCA or not. If the Fed's get involved and try to prosecute, well, I would seriously wonder about the political ambitions of the DA who backed that case. Just my two non-cents. Kirch Signature! We don't need no steenking signature!