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Intel Announces Pentium 4
A friend of mine pointed me at this press release telling us about Intel's brand-new, shockingly original name (and logo) for the series of processors formerly code-named 'Willamette.' Meanwhile, I'll sit back and wait to see the logo parodies. Thanks to David Hageman.
Heh. I'm personally waiting for the Super Pro Turbo Pentium Hyper Alpha Tournament Winner's Platinum Edition. :-)
I'll have you know that I'd take a 20- to 30-year-old Cadillac over any of these new "luxury" cars or "sports" cars. I am the proud owner of a 1974 Cadillac Coupe deVille, and it is a better running, better riding car than ANYTHING I've driven that was built in the last 2 decades. That old car handles beautifully, smoothly, and comfortably, and new cars, even new Cadillacs, just don't compare favorably --- they truly don't make them like they used to. Plus, it actually looks like a car, complete with stylized fins in the back and a front grille that makes fucking semi trucks skittish, not this pussyfoot aerodynamic BLOB that "modnern 'njineerin" has cursed mankind with.
(Of course, nowadays they sell plastic wind-up toys instead of manly, sturdy, American, steel CARS, and the public just loves it, so who am I to judge.)
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..think it looks like a Chicklet?
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Sequels never make it. Look at the Friday the 13th series... Friday the 13th, Jason goes to Euro-Itchy and Scratchy Land. Let's look at the Pentium: Pentium 4, Yes We Can Count But That's All We Can Do!
... are a piece of hardware. not a movie or something where creativity is the prime requisite to keep people coming back.
The processors
Who gives a flying fuck what their processor is called, as long as it works, and works (sufficiently) fast(er than previous generations)?
Voting Moo Anyway!
Even though the P4(Willamette) uses the same 0.18 micron technology as the P3's, it will feature separate internal arithmetic logic units that run at 3GHz, and a 400 MHz data bus and a 20 stage pipeline. IBM, also using the 0.18 micron technology for their experimental chip-the Interlocked Pipelined CMOS-have pushed it up to 4.5 GHz. In their design, they have several locally placed clocks that allow certain sections to run faster instead of waiting for the slower sections. This goes to show that the design is just as important as what and how much we put on it. Want to know more? Check out http://www.research.ibm. com/news/detail/fast_circuits.html
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Why do you think they've kept with the "pentium" name so long? They won't really change until the 7th generation.
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...even if it is the name of a sports magazine in the US (which much of the rest of the world would call a "sport magazine", I suspect :-)).
It's also the name of an "integrated marketing communications firm", who say, on their What is an Athlon? page:
(Yeah, I know, the third paragraph falls under the heading of "blah blah blah blah blah".)
It sounds like a brand of paint or something - "New all-weather Duron - stands up to sun, rain, hail...."
I always liked the Compaq Contura, which sounded as if it belonged on the racks in the drugstore right next to the Durexes and Trojans ("ribbed for her pleasure").
"Pentium 5" is kind of redundant in some weird way. I'm just wondering how much longer it's going to take us to get back to P6.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
Is it time to have a Stupid Tech Product Name Slashdot logo, to go with teh Stupid Patents logo? What would the image be, though?
I seem to remember people bitching about Intel ditching calling the pentium 586, because it "was confusing", since people were used to calling the processors x86... and now we're whining and bitching because they're KEEPING a name?
I like consistency... too bad this ain't it.
Voting Moo Anyway!
80486DX - Internal FPU
At this point, Intel became involved with several lawsuits because they didn't want AMD and Cyrix to relabel and resell their chips under the x86 names anymore, so they switched to:
Pentium (P5-4) - On-board cache
Pentium MMX (P5-5C) - MMX
Pentium Pro (P6) - On-die cache
Pentium II (P6; Deschutes, Mendocino) - On-card cache
Celeron (P6; Mendocino) - No L2 cache
Celeron-A (P6; Mendocino) - On-die cache
Pentium !!! (P6; Katmai) - On-card cache, KNI/SSE
Pentium !!! (P6; Coppermine) - On-die cache
Celeron II (P6; Coppermine) - On-die cache
Pentium 4 (P7; Williamette)
The primary differences between the original, deschutes, mendocino, and coppermine cores are:
1) Size of L1 cache
2) Size, speed, and location of L2 cache
3) Die layout
4) Packaging
5) x86 enhancements (MMX, SSE)
These changes ultimately resulted in:
1) Higher attainable clock speeds
2) Higher per-clock performance
Traditionally, a chip attains a new architecture identifier (ie, 486, 586) when the actual processing path changes. The Athlon was considered 786 material simply because they made massive improvements to the floating point unit, and because it utilized a completely new bus protocol (EV6 vs. GTL+). All of Intel's processors starting with the Pentium Pro up through the Pentium III Coppermine are considered 'P6' or '686' by many simply because it hasn't changed.
Take a Pentium Pro 200 and a Coppermine and do the following:
1) Downclock to 200, 66MHz FSB
2) Disable the L1 and L2 caches
3) Disable the x86 enchancements (MMX and SSE)
And although I am no engineer and I do not work for Intel, I can almost guarantee that both processors will give you the same performance.
If you try the same for any scenario, 386 vs. 486, Pentium II vs. Williamette (P-4), whatever, you will probably achieve entirely different performance marks. The Williamette, from what I've seen, is a completely revamped x86 architecture.
On the other hand, many people prefer to separate generations by per-clock performance, including cache changes and x86 extensions. The then you would have Pentium = P5, Pentium MMX/Pentium Pro/Pentium II/Pentium III (Katmai) = P6, Pentium III (Coppermine) = P7, and Pentium 4 = P8. The problem with this method is that it is open for interpretation. It's obvious to me that the Coppermine cannot be grouped with the original Pentium II, but Joe Q. Techhead may not agree with me.
Or we could take Intel's word for it (which is what they obviously want us to do) and believe that the Pentium, Pentium II, Pentium III, and Pentium 4 processors each have their own bevy of industry-dominating performance.
Enjoy the flamebait.
Alakaboo
Well, considering the x86 naming scheme, Intel has to change what it names its processors before the next one. Maybe they'll get smart and just keep the code name. What is really wrong with Willamette? (Or Spitfire, AMD??? Heck of a lot better than DURON!) Marketing....
Nah. I think it's time to bring out the carving knife now :)
Voting Moo Anyway!
"Same old product" only in the sense that it executes the x86 instruction set. It has a new processor core, i.e. not the core used in the Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Pentium III, and Celeron; it's not just a tweaked PIII.
Yeah, i thought that tiff was a bit large too... in fact, im still downloading it... they need some more bandwidth (remember that company with the bandwidth farms idea?)... 10k/sec on cable sucks...
Mark Duell
Mod it up, that was funny.
Obviously "we" do, or else this story wouldn't have made the front page and gotten over a hundred comments that weren't "me too", "natalie portman w/ hot grits et. al.", or "first..nth post".
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How odd is it that Intel won't build on the x86 processor and come out with a new generation? I mean the Pentium is a 586, but what is the P2? The P3? Oh well, tis quite odd for me to understand it all.
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what the hell is going to happen to the platform that was to bring us 'affordable, scalable RISC
Processing'?
Motorola's Bill Walker is going to keep flushing until it goes down.
If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is!
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For that much money, you could replace 4.522 Gigabytes of RDRAM in 128 MB increments. Just a little excessive for your standard box, don't ya think?
:-)
More likely, you mistyped that, and it should be $1800. Still, that's over 384 MB, way too much for most things.
Don't think I didn't like your joke though
IIRC, Intel named the 586 architecture the pentium because they wanted to differentiate their product from the 486 clones from cyrix and AMD. Unfortunately it isnt possible to trademark numbers, so Intel paid alot of money to a marketing firm to come up with "Pentium", which was easily trademarked as it was a completely new word. However, when intel was ready to launch the PII, they found that the names hexium,septium, octium, nonium(sp?),etc had all being copyrighted by a bunch of sly folk, in the hopes that intel would by the name from them. Unfortunately Intel took the easy way and decided to cop out with the pentium II,III and now 4 processors.
Well, I heard AMD was going to name their new chip the Moron (More + Athlon).
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Which gets me thinking.. "Pentium 5" is kind of redundant in some weird way. Maybe they'll call it Pentium Squared?
"Beware he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he deems himself your master."
Are the p4's going to be backwards compatible with 32 bit programs? Sorry, i'd try to find it myself, but i got a final i have to pull an all nighter for ... *SIGH*
Sure, I'll think of Athlon the same way as I do of Pentium, except that AMD doesn't recycle names like that. Their next processors have completely different names. So, yeah, Athlon will be old stuff, but the Thunderbird or whatever replaces it will be new and nifty.
Humm Blue,White and Red reminds me the BeOS logo... Does Intel still have some share inside Be, Inc ?
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My evil X86 history:
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:)
4004 - long ago, in bethlehem...
8080 - we're getting somewhere....
8086 - used in a few PC clones, not many though
(pure 16 bit)
8088 - used in PC and XT, 8/16 bit
(1) 80186 - not used much at all
(2) 80286 - the PC/AT and millions of clones, my first box (16 bit, protected mode but not working right)
(3) 80386 - 32 bit, protected and enhanced modes, introduced in Compaq Deskpro 386 (upstaging IBM)
(4) 80486 - 32 bit, FPU on-die, etc
(5) Pentium - with FDIV and F0 0F bugs, but nice and fast
(6) Pentium Pro - should be called "Hexium" but wasn't... not sold very much due to slow 16 bit performance. Intel thought Windows 95 would be mostly 32 bit... heh heh
(7) Pentium II - Should be called Septium but wasn't
(8) Pentium III - should be Octium
(9) Pentium 4 - therefore, the Nonium.
Nonium sounds corny.
DECium sounds like Vaxen
Therefore enjoy the current naming scheme of Intel... it's a better marketing choice.
Of course, Athlon and Thunderbird sound better to my ears...
added a ", should be http://www.intel.com/p ressroom/archive/releases/dp062800.htm
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G4e will add 2 Alti-vec and 1 more FPU unit, and an extended pipeline. The single Alti-vec already whoop the vector processing capability of the Athlon, not to mention Pentiums...at 700Mhz, those things should easily beat out the 1Ghz K7/PIII in overall performance. I haven't read up all that much 'bout the P4s, but it is still IA-32! 'course the next question is when will the G4e hit the market...all the mac loyalists are hoping that it won't be too little too late...
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Yeah, 256 MB isn't too much(I use 196 myself), but I think 256 MB of RDRAM is only somewhere around 700$.
Why would they get 256 MB ram so they don't have to replace machines? Why replace a machine to add ram? Can't anyone there stick in a DIMM?
Well... it does! With that bevel added with round corners, it looks like they painted up a chiclet!
The Name of the Itaninum will be Changed to Pentium 64 When It comes out?
Actually, that wouldn't be that bad. It sounds Like some new Gaming Platform When I think about it
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Either they'll skip about 60 numbers and name IA-64 (whenever it debuts) the "Pentium 64" or they'll go with something new and creative like "Tianium"
--Aaron Greenberg
986!
186,286,386,486,pentium,ppro,p2,p3,P4
count em... 9
By the time a large corporation pays someone to spec the part, order it, track the orders, report to their manager, take some smoke breaks, fill up their cube with little dolls, and then finally open up a three year old machine and install the part, you've more than spent the replacement value of the machine.
Meanwhile, Dell (or whoever) will installe extra RAM now for free. Of course the RAM part is more expensive now than in three years, but it will still save you money.
When I hear the word 'innovation', I reach for my pistol.
You can't patent a number, hence you have Pentium.
except that there was no 186. Or if there was, there's no mention of it anywhere, including Intel's historical site.
Amen brother, except you're thinking of durum.
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Time to spend another 13 thousand dollars.. Any idea if Intel is EVER going to change the name? I doubt it.
Well, they're certainly not going to go back to the x86 format... not since they discovered they couldn't trademark numbers. ;-)
livegoatpornium? hm.
seeing those words set off a random train of thought that involved goatse.cx, was heavily enhanced by large amounts of sleep deprevation, and ended with me idly asking myself the question: is pentium.cx taken?
I immediately realized it was a dumb question; why would anyone want pentium.cx and what would they _do_ with it?
I would have immediately forgotten it, except i suddenly realized something that made me wonder if maybe it isn't such a dumb question after all. Alright, think about this for a minute:
It's pretty clear that intel's naming scheme no longer directly relates to reality. Moreover, the scism is getting more extreme over time. From the pentium to the pentium 2 to the pentium 3 to the pentium 4, the differences in the chip have become less apparent in usefulness and much more arbitrary. From my totally ignorant perspective, it would appear that the pentium 3 was more a marketing construct than it was anything else; just a desperate attempt to stuff a _lot_ more not-very-useful-or-realistic complexity into the pentium instruction set so they could claim "look, we did something!" and have an excuse to run a lot of commercials, just to keep intel in everyone's mind as being cutting-edge, or something. I mean, look, it has something to do with the internet, doesn't it?? and they have cool 3d graphics and a looney toons character in the ad! It must be really advanced!!! d00d L337 1 \V1LL HAVE MY DAD R3PL4C3 MY 0V3RCL0CK3D AMD R16GHT 4W4Y with a PENTIUM 3 and it will MAKE THE INTERNET M0R3 FUN 4ND 1 \V1LL H4XOR BETTER!!!
The pentium 4 seems pure desperation, some extremely vague advancement just to pump the number up one more, just to release a lot of press releases and get people to buy stuff. Just to say, ok, the pentium 3 failed to change the world, but we're still here, and we're still alive and vital and moving!!
If i were going to be paranoid, i'd say the point of the pentium 4 is so intel can make a lot of noise about it to distract us from the IA-64. What about the IA-64, you ask? Say, that's what i want to know exactly.
But whether i'm being too harsh, and whether i know jack shit about microchips, i think i can say with some certainty that with each new "version" of the x86, the real _meaningful_ difference between each processor is getting a good deal smaller with each iteration, and the marketing aspects of a new product launch are overshadowing the technological aspects in intel's mind with each iteration. And i can DEFINATELY say the amount of time between "releases" is getting faster and faster.
My prediction:
From this point, with each "new" chip intel releases, the fluff value of the release will increase exponentially, the time between releases will decrease exponentially, and the justification for changing numbers will decrease exponentially. Eventually, intel will get to the point where they assign a different Pentium Number for each different clockrate assignment.
Thus about two years from now, Intel will have reached the point of the Pentium 110-- which they will name the Pentium CX [roman numerals!] -- and register the domain pentium.cx for it, to commemorate the Pentium CX's simultaneous release with "Windows ME harder"!
But who knows how much the tech industry will have changed by then? Hell, by that point, there may even be multiple-core G4s on the market.
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blessings,
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If we don't act now, the Pentium 5 will destroy mankind...
yes, plus they've used my two favourite flavours, blueberry and tangerine! YUM! [oh, sorry, heartburn...]
In case you see this, /. is acting funny around 7:15 pm CST.. The front page is void of storiesa nd comments are dissapering...
...and I'm not sure we should trust this Kyle Sagan either.
Sorry, you're mixing Latin and Greek. The
successor to the "Pentium" would logically be
the "Hexium"--which admittedly isn't as funny but
does have its own possiblities.
Like the possibility to be sued, if Pterry's in that kind of mood, for nicking the name. Hell if PETA can do it, anyone can
(Pterry == Terry Pratcher, Author of Discworld)
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Don't forget to download the high-resolution version of the logo, so you can keep this marketing gem on your very own computer!
Frogs are primitive animals - so the occasional extra toe is not that unusual. But this is very unusual.
At least they know how to count. Important for a cpu manufacturer i think.
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The proper pronunciation is will-AM-et, not WILL-a-metty.
I kinda wonder if a bunch of highly paid marketing types sat around in a conference room drinking lattes spent way too much time talking about what to name the chip.
Exactly! That's what's getting me down for the last ten years. Ten years ago, people would ask me: "what should I buy? A Mac or a PC?", and I'd say, "what do you need?". They would listen to me explaining why an operating system that was designed rather than lumped together would be a good idea, why raw clock cycles don't count if your machines crashes twice daily, etcetera.
They'd come back a week later telling me they'd bought a PC and would I come over and fix it.
PC's became a serious option when 386BSD came out, and that finally gave me the excuse to say to the people that'd come for advice: "Well, pick whatever, just don't call me for support unless you run UNIX". Sigh.
Bert Driehuis -- All I asked was a friggin' rotatin' chair. Throw me a bone here, people.
They should copy MickeySofts naming scheme and call it the Pentium 2000 Professional, the xeon should be renamed to the Pentium 2000 Advanced Processor, hell they could even make a Pentium 2000 Datacenter Processor.
... fried CPU's }:->
Imagine the looks on the faces of people who've just bought a Pentium 2000 Professional and think its runs at 2ghz
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One of the more interesting things just about how this press release is worded is that they're saying how this processor, the P4 (although I'm going to call it the PIV), is:
"... based on revolutionary technology designed to maximize performance today and in the future, keeping consumers on the cutting edge of the Internet."
Interesting that their marketing division has decided to push THAT angle of the processor, instead of its speed. (Yes, I've seen a Williamette in motion; yes, they rock. Since I'm a graphics programmer, the best example for me is saying that the Intel engineer threw a 3D landscape at it which did all the transform and lighting stuff on the CPU, and it would have made a GeForce choke up). I wonder if this means that the clueless marketroids are going to start pushing for "Internet-specific optimizations" on the processor itself, as opposed to just better functions. We're already seeing a lot of extra stuff bundled into things in order to try and make them "better for the net".
An interesting example is the Linux development series kernel, which has some code in it specifically designed to make your system faster if you are dishing out webpages, just by building that into the kernel. I think it makes anything using the HTTP protocol faster, and that newer releases of Apache will sit on top of it, if that's built into the kernel. I don't remember the specifics.
Now, I am of two minds as to whether or not this is a good thing or a bad thing. On the one hand, it does give something for the suits from Red Hat et al. to put in their advertising. It is what some would call unneccessary clutter in the kernel, (but yes, of course, you can just compile it out!)
It'll be interesting to see just how much further this trend goes.
Nicholas
disclaimer: opinions contained therein are not neccessarily those of my employer.
I think "Delerium" would work nicely...
4=Zl=Z(Ê)
I can understand a passing interest in Intel announcing their next generation (of sorts), but what makes me go "ugh, how pathetic" is how people kept whining about the name... of all things.
Voting Moo Anyway!
AMD has taken a huge chunk of Intel's market, but who knows, maybe they might be able to make a comeback?
Incorrect. Intel's marketshare 18 months ago was 81%, 6 months ago it was 18%, 12 months ago it was 81%, and today it is 81%. Two things to keep in mind:
AMD has grown its marketshare at the expense of Cyrix and IDT but not at the expensive of Intel.
The PC market has grown _tremendously_ recently, so despite keeping a steady marketshare, Intel is growing at a huge pace.
(Let's try this again, only in short form). In Japanese, the number four is pronounced "shi" -- as is the word "death." :)
At least they didn't call it something like Pentium 2000 or Mellenium Pentium...
That would have been something to laugh at.
They are going to keep using the Pentium name until they run out of room for the roman numerals. By then all those Pentium guys in those air tight uniforms are gonna be dancing 'til thier dead.
"Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality." -Jules de Gautier
I was you, wasn't it? "Sometimes," huh?
*grin*
I was doing some "field research" on firewall security when I stumbled across this from an Intel engineer. It got chopped off at the end in the process, but there's still some juicy stuff here.
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To: Head Cheese of Intel
From: P4 project manager
Re: P4 chip layout
Message:
The die layout of the latest revision of the prototype P4 is in the attached JPEG. Here's the rundown of the labelled sections:
1. 11,290,491 transistors: CISC-to-RISC conversion. Handles a bunch of 1978 legacy bullshit.
2. I know this looks like just a dot on the chip, but it turned out the MMX stuff could be done with only eight transistors.
3. 12 Superpipelined floating point units: We designed them so that hopefully the next version of Excel will run tolerably, but we're not getting our hopes up.
4. Instruction scheduler: Arranges instructions in the fastest manner possible for those too wussy to use assembler.
5. We etched in a proposal from you to your secretary like you asked.
6. 453 transistors, 35 varicaps, four inductors and an op amp: I think this was put in while someone was drunk, but everything stops working if we take it out.
But geeks wouldn't buy a Pentium 4 if they changed the name either. I'd still go for the alpha (dribble dribble)
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portmium
gritsium
Thank you.
(just kidding, It's a great name, really.)
nevermind.
Lowmag.net
Without their cache, these modern chips amount to nothing. They are no good unless you have something filling the pipeline with the next instruction. :)
Take your k-spiff pentium III 950 and turn off cache. Boot windows. Have fun in your misery. THis is how I slow games enough to play them on my 450. Gabriel knight works just fine without cache.
Lowmag.net
I still think they should have stuck with 'Sledgehammer' in the end.
Mind you, as a vegetarian, I appreciate the AMD and Intel reaching out to my people....
Celeron...clearly 'celery'
Duron...which I believe is a brand of wheat
It's nice to get a little nod of solidarity from large corporations.
It's just hard to believe that on a supposedly 'tech' site like this I can scroll down through dozens and dozens of comments and find not a single one that talks about the technical innovations (or lack thereof) of this new processor from Intel.
Now, I know Intel wouldn't dare (or would they?) release a 'next generation' of chips without having some technical improvements and/or significant architecture changes.
Instead, the flouncy Slashdotters rant and rave and carry on about the brand name. Come on guys, can't we do better than that? What are the substantive improvements in this part over the previous generation (the Pentium III)?
On the other hand, I don't see a single thing about any technical change in this part? Where do I download the data sheet? All I could find was a link to download an even bigger bitmap of the new logo.
Ummm, am I wrong? Is the only thing new about the Pentium 4 the branding??
Yikes! (having scanned the whole press release) This is scary! No technical details at all???
I guess you guys were working with as much info as Intel has provided...
You mean you actually comment your code. I always leave my several hundred line of assembly language code completely uncommented.
Moderators got no clue
>long rant about G4 vs P3 power use, conclusion being G4 and P3 power consumption are about equal
Points well taken. However, consider...
A) it was my attempt at humor (and no, it doesn't deserve 5 and definitely *not* informative, but hey, i'm a karma whore like everyone else).
B) try raggin on the G4 a little in retaliation as a non-AC.
C) the G4's a power hog by PPC standards, but the G3 isn't (funny you see all those fan-less iMacs and kick-ass powerbooks).
D) I tried to find wattage specs on the P4, but couldn't.
E) The Alpha and Athlon make both look power efficient.
F) You bothered looking at my homepage?
just my blog and pix
The real question is not when they are going to name the next 386 on steroids. The question should be when are they going to switch to 64 bit? (forgive me if Williamette is) And what about ISA? It's had it's reign. Let it go happily. I think we've all felt the chokehold of backward compatibility for long enough.
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Also, the Alpha was designed with massive multiprocessing in mind. I seriously doubt SGI will ever make a system with 512 Pentium 4s in it.
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80486 -> 486
P5 -> Pentium
P6 -> Pentium Pro
Now what happens when Intel decides to release the "Pentium 5"? I mean, I still call the Pentium a "P5". What they should do is just use the damn "in house" code names. It would make just as much sense.
I should go out and buy a P6, then when the Willamete (or whatever) is released, I can say: "Hey, for $3000 I'll sell you my Pentium Pro, it's better than a P4 because it's a PRO!" Then get $12,000 from some EBay junkie.
just my $.02.
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So shouldn't it be octium? That almost sounds good.
in a brief glance. all of three seconds. It looks to me like the new logo rather closely resembles the old BeOS logo. You know with the red and blue letters. Could someone go and smack intel please? Blue and red? Didn't any of them ever see a colour wheel in art class?
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You and I had a similar idea. Before I saw yours I posted the same thing...aswell as Mellenium Pentium...that would be funny...
"Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality." -Jules de Gautier
I am please to anounce that the pentium 700 will be shipping tomorrow.
This is the hot grits version!
It kicks the P4's ass so bad that even natalie portman is not sexy anymore.
Take this personaility test.
NolongerthePProcorium! (wow, now that's inovation!)
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Isn't "-ium" a Latin ending? In which case, wouldn't the unmixed version be "Quintium" rather than "Pentium"?
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Well, the problem is that Intel cannot go up from Pentium because they'll get Sextium... on the other hand, maybe it will make for sexier computers, as in: I named my computer Helga and she has a very fast sextium.
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how many pentium processors does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
exactly 1.8342210020334565635623561
but 2 is close enough.
all hail the thunderbird!
FluX
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zaugg
Thanks for the link! I couldn't figure out why the heck I was getting a 404 with the other one.
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actually, given their past advertisments, street fighter characters would fit in well. use the pentium 4 to charge blanka's electricity and power up ryu's ha-do-ken!!
or they can just have more idiots doing 70's dances in lab suits.....
Josh
I had too much time on my hands!!! Wooo! http://got.conceptz.org/pentium4/
............ no.
Joe Luser might associate "Pentium" with "fast computer," but in my mind, there's a slightly different association. :-)
I suppose the trick now is to get that across to Joe Luser. The "P!!!" ads were a start, but they don't go far enough.
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You just have no idea, do you? Its not like that at all. AMD was struggling for awhile and got a big break. The little guy won. And Intel has done so much to prevent the K7 from gaining market share that people hate Intel for it.
And FYI, I own an Am386, Am5-133 and an AMD K6-2 400. Some of us have been with them from the beginning.
"Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality." -Jules de Gautier
I think what they did is got a floating point error with the Penium 3.0000000011 and conveniently rounded it to 4.
Standard I/O Error. Incompetent/Operator.
Hmmm...
Come on, don't tell me no one noticed the obvous similarities to the whole "Aqua" theme. That was the first thing I thought of when I saw it; the shaded blue lines and white background...
Anyone agree?
"Cementing the break"? That metaphor was well mixed. Shaken, or stirred?
www.eFax.com are spammers
Being in the test industry myself, I cannot help noticing that "agilent" is an anagram of "genital".
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The link below gives slightly more information than the Intel Press release, albeit none of the information has any source listed. http://www.geek.com/procspec/intel/p7consumer.htm Still, a 400mhz bus? MMMMmmmmm :)
I like the orange fault light on the logo. I wonder if it will be programmable so you can automatically send a CTRL-ALT-DEL to the system when the light comes on...
I remember hearing sometime soon after the Pentium release that someone had trademarked the name Hexium hoping to sell it to Intel later.
Mmmm.. Donuts
That should be
http://www.intel.com/pre ssroom/archive/releases/dp062800.htm
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The only way PPC systems would match x86 in price would be to have a large enough open systems market rivalling the PClone market. I was doing that in '97 when Apple pulled the plug. And while moving into the set-top box business from there has our stock some 20x higher than in the Maclone days, I'm still bitter. Not just because Apple proved to be the dicks everyone kept telling me they'd be (no, they've really changed, I met with the CHRP group myself), but simply that the PPC's good enough. It deserves success.
After that fell blow, neither Morotola nor IBM has felt particularly compelled to race with Intel just for Apple's sake. When phone or internet switches or other high-end embedded gear need an upgrade, they'll crank out a faster chip (like IBM's forthcoming PPC750 update, starting out at 700MHz). With all that copper and SOI and all, it's not like IBM couldn't deliver if they wanted to.
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I can't wait to see what kind of Internet richness with vibrant colors and 3D this will bring, and how fast it will be. I have a feeling that the Pentium 4 will revolutionize the internet like the Pentium III did. And, of course, can you imagine a Beo... oh wait that would make sense.
6) Really obscenely fast processor
If Chris McKinstry had named this processor, it would be the ROFP. Wait, that acronym doesn't just flow off the tongue. How about just RISP? Really Insanely Speedy Processor?
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/dp 062800.htm that is a link to the real page
"non-support"? You mean the one-week (one month?) stonewall, followed by the biggest CPU recall program in history?
So, ok, it was a crappy thing for them to do, but you make it sound like they didn't come through at all. Which is pretty far from what happened.
I have a K7 too, but more because it was a better bang for my buck then because of a PR disasater half a decade ago!
Wasn't that supposed to be the 786 equivalent to come out after P3?
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Any idea if Intel is EVER going to change the name? I doubt it. "Pentium" is such a household name, and whenever it is mentioned, the average person recognizes it, and associates it with a fast computer. Intel has succeeded in making sure EVERYONE knows its product name..
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There's an extra quotation mark after the link! http://www.intel.com/p ressroom/archive/releases/dp062800.htm is the real page.
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Did you mean: free speech
"Sextium" would be mixing Latin and Latin! Sex- is a latin prefix for six, as in sextuplets, and "ium" is a Latinate prefix.
"Pentium" and "Hextium" are the bastard offspring of Greek prefix and Latin suffix here....
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I am glad Intel has dropped its Roman numeral habit. It becomes inefficient past 1 (but miraculously becomes more efficient at 10, as Apple has discovered).
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Oh man did you get me to laugh out loud on that one :)
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Press Release for Intel Pentium IV
You can download an 8 meg TIFF of the logo. Why anybody would need that amount of resolution for a half inch logo sticker on the front of a PC I'll never know. Must be for the billboard makers...
The Pentium Pro's cache wasn't on-die, but it was in the same package as the CPU. Also, the original Pentium II core was named "Klamath", and was fabbed at .35 microns. Deschutes was .25 microns.
Also, the theory of identically clocked PPro and Coppermines having the same performance isn't quite right. Sometimes in minor revisions to the core, circuit layouts will be simplified and optimized. Run a non-SSE CPU benchmark test between a 450MHz PII and a 450MHz PIII and chances are the PIII will have an edge.
Now I will finally be able to afford a Pentium II!
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For the millenium I finally retired my Suns-at-home and went to a PC architecture. (Also retired SunOS/Solaris for Linux.)
For the hardware I chose the top-end Athlon.
Reasons:
- No serial number inside.
- Great price/performance.
- Intel's non-support history with the Pentium math bug.
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I think Intel just wants to capitalize on the play one words value. Now their ad campaign can be "The Pentium 4 you" or it can be the "Pentium 4 speed", "Pentium 4 Warmth" and finally the "Pentium 4 math errors", and I thought the "bunny suits" were lame...
I highly doubt that. The P4 is designed for high clock speeds, not high per-clock performance. It has been speculated that the P4 will actually be SLOWER than an equivelantly clocked P3/Athlon. Granted, this makes the processor look 'faster' but for those of us who know computers, it won't work. To the Death of Power PC. PowerPC has some whipass specs, and its real-world performance often beats Intel clock-for-clock, however, the hardware is expensive! If I could get a Mac/PowerPC that was upgradable , modular and as cheap as my PC is, I would be using PowerPC. As it is, I don't. Lastly, if you are buying a Mac, you are either: 1.Need a Mac. or 2. Want the power that comes with PowerPC. Thus, there will always be a place for PowerPC
Ok if you're going to nitpick, the P2 was nothing more than a Pumped up Pentium Pro core with MMX added to the instruction set. Nothing more. Nothing new to the x86 but MMX. Hardly a generational change! Kirch
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Thus about two years from now, Intel will have reached the point of the Pentium 110-- which they will name the Pentium CX [roman numerals!] -- and register the domain pentium.cx for it, to commemorate the Pentium CX's simultaneous release with "Windows ME harder"!
That got me thinking... and a very scary thought occurred to me. Imagine M$ and AOL joining forces...
Imagine... Windows "Me Too"
No boom today. Boom tomorrow. Always boom tomorrow. BOOM!
Too bad the Pentium (original) and the PPro are generally referred to as the P5 and P6... what next then?
"It's tough to be bilingual when you get hit in the head."
The '86 Buick Regal Grand National kicked butt on everything except a Porsche Turbo Carrera.
Test results remembered from Car&Driver
0-60 4.9 sec
12.something sec standing quarter
Buick Engineers reported that they regularly trashed Corvettes on the test track, and that's why GM cancelled this beast.
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Two early drafts of the logo for the new Pentium Processor. http://www.geocities.com/stavros742/
BTW the correct link is her e.
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8) Fnordium
Here's the scoop on the Fnordium(tm) chip...
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
n/m
Buy the new Intel Septum... er Septium.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
this is the correct link to the press release.
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Pentium means five. FIVE. Not six, seven or eight... FIVE! How many of the general public are actually going to realise that? Intel has 'worked' very hard to make Pentium a household name, and has clearly done so. It would be stupid (no matter how ridiculous their numbering system is becoming) for them to suddenly change the name.
Dont forget the 486 was the P4. So now I have the coolist new marketing iPROCESSORS on the block. This is better than me waiting for the 03 release of windows.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
Now all they have to do is slightly rotate the last two "I"s on the current chip labeling machine!
Australian Reseller News also has a short story that tells of Intel's latest Celeron offering, the Timna - available in January...
Do your best, hope for the best, suspect the worst.
You can't patent a name, either. "Pentium" is trademarked.
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You mean to say that this were Intel's "First Post!!" post?
Madness takes its toll. Exact change please.
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You build a car, call it a cavelier, you upgrade it a little the next year, give it a few new options: sport package, different paint colors, moon roof, make it about 10% more expensive, its still a camaro, next year, you add a more effiecient engine. still a camaro. Then, you drastically redesign from ground up, double the engine size, market it to a totaly different audience, change every little detail. You call it a Corvette, not a camaro. not realistically/historically accurate, but i hope you see my point...
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What are we going to do tonight Brain?
With no other advantage besides ColorSync, cute cases, and a (finally) solid operating system, what the hell is going to happen to the platform that was to bring us 'affordable, scalable RISC Processing'?
I hate to think it's necessary, but I may end up with a space heater (P4/Athlon) in my computer.
Remove the " at the end of the URL.
/ dp062800.htm
This is the correct one:
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases
Maybe now my friends will believe me when I tell them that etymology can be so much fun.
"Ideosyncratically euphistic eccentricities promulgate triturable obfuscation."
Oh yeah, my Pentium 120 just screams.
You lucky, lucky, lucky bastard!!
Would you mind trading it to my "f00f-bug,float bug enabled 75MHz OC'd to 100MHz with one of the corner pins broken" PC Performance Leader?
there is no quote on the end of the url. guess that is what the preview button is for!
/ dp062800.htm
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http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases
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what about hotgritsinthepantsium?
natalieportmanium?
TrollMaster i4x86?
never mind...
My journal has hot
Pent is a Greek suffix, sex is a Latin one. Thus the next name would be Hexium.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve immortality through not dying." -- Woody Allen
The pentium processor was the thing that started the trend away from model number names for techstuff and gagets. Now you can see it in cars, PDA's 3Dcards etc. But now they are going back to that trend. To avoid that they could call it Pentium IV, the voyage home.
As usual Im way of when I post and eat at the same time.
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Uninteresting fact: ;-)
Pentium stands for Produces erroneous numbers through incorrect understanding of mathematics.
This would explain a lot, if I only new what.
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While I think Pentium 4 is pretty dull, at least we're spared the ravages of other lameass names --
Pentium 2000
The e-pentium
Pentium for dummies
Pentium Professional
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Wow, looks like Intel finally released the P4 BBQ model in time for fourth of July. Put them ribs on the heatsink, baby, slather them in head-conductive grease, and we're cookin', baby!
If they sell enough of these we'll start hearing stories about "Intel brownouts"...
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"Around the world, PC users associate the Pentium brand with the highest PC performance, compatibility and quality available,"
I'm stilling laughing.
Lets break this down
highest PC performance - Lets see x86 20 years old PowerPC 10 years and old blows intel out of the water.
compatibility - With x86 products only. I dont see Intel chips being able to nativly execute code written for PPC,Sparc,Mips,M68K,Alpha,i960 and so on.
quality available - Okay this point can be argued but I never hear of people haveing PPCs or Alphas dieing on them.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
I have C comment blocks longer (and more informative) then that press release.
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First appearance IIRC in Interesting Times (or IT). Just read it, you'll like it.
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I can't wait until Intel announces the Pentium 5 processor for the ultimate in redundant naming. :)
Refrag
I have a website. It's about Macs.
Akin to AMD's K7. It does not have a P6 core, nore does it run on a GTL+ bus. The Itanium (Merced/Mckinley) is Intel's 8th generation CPU, equilivent to AMD's K8 Ssledgehammer)
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AMD still kicks intels ass... On another note: When is intel going to start removing the stupied "works with ms-windows" logos. I haven't bought a pentium in a long time, so they might not be there any more. Also, where are the pengiun stamps on CPUs ?
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I just wonder how much steve jobs bribed intel to not only make a pc processor that sounds like the g4 (thus causing people to get confused and buy apples) but also is no longer named after his main competitor in the os game.
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we had this discussion over at cadfu... okay, not exactly.
kick some CAD
>Why cant they come up with something original!?
Worked too long with Micro$oft?
OK, I know... I just couldn't resist.
I so long for the days when I could tell chips apart from one another...the 386, the 486, etc. But, now, how do I compare a Pentium, an Athlon, a Celeron, a Crusoe, a whatever?...
While I am half-joking here, I seriously though want them to stop adding on numbers to the Pentium and go to the next logical name. Let's see, doesn't it go Pent, Sex, Sept, Oct, Non, Dec?...so would that make this the Sexium? Or perhaps that was the Pentium II, and this is actually the Octium?
If we call the Pentium 4's successor the Pentium 5, it will be confused with P5, the abbreviation for the original pentium.
Donny
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"keeping consumers on the cutting edge of the Internet" Must industry leaders pander to general ignorance? What does processor speed have to do with the Internet? I suppose they have to give some reason why ordinary people would feel any need to buy these things.
Intel is on the decline just like Microsoft started to a few years back. Though Intel is nowhere near the state MS is in, it seems these huge product releases are made out of desperation. AMD has taken a huge chunk of Intel's market, but who knows, maybe they might be able to make a comeback?
Buying a Dell computer is equivalent to dropping the soap in a prison shower.
I dont know about you guys, but to me, this Press Release is kindda "vague" (still trying to be "vogue"... :-) )
It really doesnt say ANYTHING tangible about the "new" P4 instructions or anything detailed at all !
whatever...hope to hear more about this soon....even though it wont make me actually BUY a Pentium instead of an AMD (or even Cyrix)... but let them try... :-)
One of the Japanese words for 4 (I believe there are two) sounds alot like the Japanese word for death.
Of course I could be wrong, it's been 7 years since I was there.
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Actually, the Pentium 4 is a very drastic change from the P3. It has an entirely new core, with some interesting new ideas (trace cache, "double pumped" ALUs). However, whether or not it is any good remains to be seen. Your comment that it is just a marketing exercise may very well prove to be true anyway.
You see, the P4 has a 20 stage pipeline. Now that's a lot compared to most chips, meaning that it will take a huge penalty for a branch misprediction. What's the advantage of a 20 stage pipeline? Clockspeed. The P4 was designed first and foremost for clockspeed, because that's all the clueless average computer user looks at. There's a very good possibility that the P4 will perform worse at the same clockspeed than the P3, but it will reach some insane clockspeeds. This is especially true in floating-point operations. The P4 only has one FPU while even the P3 has two (the Athlon has three). That just doesn't cut the mustard these days.
Of course, intel is banking on SSE2 to make up for their pathetic FPU, but that has to be specifically supported in the application. Anything FPU intensive and without SSE2 support will perform much better on a P3 than a P4 of the same clockspeed. Of course, intel will base all their bencharks on the miniscule number of applications that will support SSE2 (and pressure third-party benchmark makers to include SSE2 support as well), so they'll have a bunch or pretty graphs showing that the P4 is super-duper fast.
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Heh, why can't they get past Pentium, hah. Thats too funny...
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The Chinese, not Japanese, regard the number 4 as unlucky because it has a similar sound to the word for death.
So they will probably have to change the name to sell it in Taiwan.
Off subject- we have a cab company in my town which has the phone number 444-4444 emblazened on the sides of their cars. Needless to say, no Chinese people in my town ever ride in them.
...or like version numbers.
Porsche 993, 996
Refrag
I have a website. It's about Macs.
..perhaps there could be a competing line of cars named by Apple..
Ford iCar
Ford iCar
Ford iCar
Ford iCar
Ford Power Car
Ford Power Car
Ford Power Car
-Orion, longtime Apple fan (but not too much of one to make fun of their idiotic habit of giving all their models the same name)
The original pentium was going to be called the 80586 until Intel had trouble trademarking their x86 numbering system. Then there was the P6 instead of the 80686 or Hexium/sexium (depending on how you wanted to bastardize mixed Greek/Latin). Then the P3 and P4.
Generally a line is good for about four generations before the marketing gets tired and changes naming.
Peon. See Message #68 in the previous story "PC Expo".
Actually, 886 would be short for 80886, so in 72 generations, we'll be at 88086.
But anyhow....
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Pentium intravenous!
Nissan skyline 4 banger, 4 wheel power, so much antislip tech they come off the line faster than everything. Muscle isn't everything. Then again, I'd love to have a `93 mustang cobra.
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Pentium = 5th generation, Pentium 4 = 4th generation of the 5th generation.
Could be worse. Take a look at the X windowing system. Started out as the W windowing system, which got incremented to X. Then they didn't go on to Y, but added numbers, so we're up to X11. Where it stopped, so we have X11 revision 6...
And yes - I know they had reasons for not going on to Y, it still looks funny to me.
Perhaps you could clothe it as a business plan.
Ryan
I bought a PowerBook G3 Series @233MHz because it was cheaper and faster than any of the PII@400MHz Laptops available at the time in the $2000 price range. I upgraded the RAM up to 96MB and the disk to 4GB, I might get a 32GB this summer. How many PC laptops come with integrated SCSI and Ethernet? How many run Linux without any special configuration? Besides the lack of good 3D hardware(ATI Rage Pro LT), it kicks ass. For being a year old it runs extremely well. Currently I am using Yellow Dog Linux and quite frankly have nothing to complain about except when I tun Mac-on-Linux, which basically gived me MacOS in a 800x600 window at almost native speed. I'm also wondering why anyone would buy a PC to run a Windows/Linux dual boot when you gan get a PowerPC and run MacOS inside Linux. The only time I ever boot directly into MacOS is to play DVD's.
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I guess the can't call it "Sextium"
Of course not... it'll get blocked by censorware.... then they'll have to go and put in a name change... just like Beaver College voted to do... then that'll be a real mess... having multiple working names for the same product... (not like we don't have that with flip-chip/coppermine/slot 1 Pentium processors already...)
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I don't think the intent of this post was to have everyone dust off their old Pentium jokes and get moderated up =)
Those jokes are as old as the hair on my palms.
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Well it certainly is a relief that cars don't have their models incremented by numbers!
Better not let Porsche (makers of the 356, 550, 911/930, 928, 924/931, 944/951 and 968) hear you say that...
Just junk food for thought...
don't forget, the only reason we got pentium was that intel added 486+100 and got 585.99999999993646872
...why hasn't he suggested Quadrophenia?
9) Whupamdassium
8) Fnordium
7) Pengium (Thus really cementing the break with Microsoft)
6) Really obscenely fast processor
5) Notcreativeenoughium
4) 886
3) Just another damn IA32 chip
2) Killappleium
And the number one other considered name for the Pentium 4:
1) Livegoatpornium
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Hmmm. Just in time for summer. Now, Dell, Gateway, etc. can advertise their boxes are dual use.
Window air conditioner ;-)
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How much did Intel pay the brand consultants to come up with "Pentium 4"? Those guys literally get paid millions to come up with things like the Lucent coffee stain logo, the AT&T Death Star, the name Agilent (sounds like a washing machine company,) etc.
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I thought I had heard that Intel was going to avoid the name Pentium 4 because the number 4 is unlucky in Japan. I don't remember why exactly, but it had something to do with the Japanese word for 4 sounding like something else which was "evil" or something like that.
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Apple (1984): an 128k mac saying "hello"
Dodge (90's): a Neon saying "hi"
and the Pentium isn't different, its special.....
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192 Megabytes is actually 196 million bytes. That's what my computer lists every POST, so it's what I get used to thinking of it as. Yeah, I guess it's really 192 MB.
Maybe it was at one point, but according to www.pricewatch.com, a 128 MB stick of RDRAM currently costs about 350$. Prices must have gone down a lot since you checked last.
Not quite. It's because for some "odd" reason, you cant "own" a string of numbers.
Shift happens. Fire it up.
I believe that Intel does have trademarks on hexium, sextium, heptium, septium and all plausible variations.
:) into what Intel will be naming its next processor. No way I'd ever put anything called a septium in my machine, though... "Septium Inside" makes it sound like I have a direct sewer line coming into my machine (a sewage-cooled processor?)!
Hmm... from http://www.uspto.gov/...
Hexium (S/N: 74511486):
Filing Date: April 12, 1994
Owner: Eric Rosenfield
This Eric Rosenfield fellow also has the trademark on sextium (S/N: 74511485) but it was abandoned on... woah! June 16, 2000. Intel at work here?
Intel does own septium, however...
Septium (S/N: 74695931):
Filing Date: June 30, 1995
Owner: Intel Corporation
That's all I feel like searching for today, but perhaps this gives some insight (::cough cough::, moderators
Oh yeah? Your jocund proclivity towards latitudinarianism is fulgurously ostentatious! (its meant to be PARTIALLY understandable)
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I believe that Intel does have trademarks on
hexium, sextium, heptium, septium and all plausible variations.
Sorry to nitpick, especially on a joke, but for it to be a 386/16, it'd have to be a 386sx/16 (IIRC), and since a 386sx was really a 286 in disguise, it had a max of 16MB ram, so you'd be outta luck.
Oh, and how is that? Do they jave products that are called that?
You cannot have a trademark on something you don't have. That doesn't mean you can name your next processor hexium, for it would certainly confusion. And that's not allowed...
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who finds the Pentium X misnomer amusing. Pentium = 5th generation, Pentium 4 = 4th generation of the 5th generation. It's a good thing there aren't Pentium 4.1's and Pentium 3.2's.
Agreed. Pro was new
So's MMX, three and four
Two: Just a combo!
Mixing latin and greek! Oh no! They're going to have to recall the celeron and duron if they want to keep their languages unmixed, I'm afraid.
Why can't they just call it the sextium-I want it so bad. I think about it all the time...can't they call it the sextium, just once? It won't hurt that much...
Heh...I wonder what I did with that joke sextium pic that I snagged when they decided to go for the p2 instead. Heh.
Hmm...I think AMD should take advantage of Intel's sqeamishess by making their names really explicit-how about 'fuctium' and 'coctium?' Asstium? Athlon 666? Satanium?
So, does anybody else think that 666-mhz computers are the sign of satan mentioned in Revelations?
Remember years ago when we said 'oh, someday we'll have some really fast Intel 986 chip with tons of memory and stuff...' ... well, that day is about to happen. If Intel had continued its old naming (numbering) convention, this would have been the 986.
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When Intel first announced the Pentium, I was looking forward sooo much to the release of the Sexium and Septium to follow... but instead it looks like its going to be the Pentium n as n goes to infinite. What a let down.
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So, don't the big guys that post the stories have that neat 'preview' thingy so that they can check their links? Perhaps that's how all the typos and grammer oopses get into the stories. Either that or they just scramble to see who can post a particular story first.
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Someone moderate this up, Intel is going to need help against strong competition in 2001, especially in this market.
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To me, it's just the same old product witha flashy new box. big deal. When i want a new processer, i'll go to AMD.
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"Around the world, PC users associate the Pentium brand with the highest PC performance, compatibility and quality available."
Oh yeah, my Pentium 120 just screams.
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Refrag
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Interesting. Why in that case is 4 the luckiest number there is in Hong Kong? Not sarcasm - just curious
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Historical Accident, mmm? What accident was this?
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perhaps they are instead basing their numbering scheme off star trek movies
evidence:
--all the odd numbered ones suck (especially number 3!)
--after 2, because of spock's death, they have a general lack of logic for a few iterations
--in number 4 they try to get all friendly with aquatic life forms (whales, penguins.. same thing)
--number 4 was a big joke
resulting predictions:
--pentium 5 will be the biggest flop ever (and won't get them any closer to god)
--for pentium 7 they will put out a joint processor with transmeta (the Next Generation of processors) and call it Pentium Generations
--for pentium 8 microsoft will try and go back in time to mess with their 8088 processor
... is Intel's Pentagram 4 logo reminiscent of the MacOS logo?
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Still, I'm glad they called it that. It beats Celeron, Athelon, and Duron.
Rumors that Intel might be working on the Intel Oxgen, the Urnium, or the Lutonium processors were vigorously denied by the company.
"Intel will also be offering it's new, jointly developed, industrial strength power supply for ISPs using large scale P4 systems"
"Earlier today, seven intel engineers were incinertated in a systems-test accident. The incident occurred on power-up of the test-bed of Intel's new quad-P4 board, codenamed Phoenix. Witnesses describe the cause as 'spontaneous combustion'. 'The damn thing just blew', said one engineer, 'and then everything was just a ball of fire! I'm sure glad I got out of there alive... Sources report that Intel management has reportedly been talking to executives at Frigidaire regarding the incident."
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No matter how unoriginal Intel and Microsoft may name their products, they did it after extensive research amongst the public. Even the computer-illiterate have heard of Pentium, while Wilamette is much less known. Also Microsoft has researched that people prefer a year as a version number. Let's just let them use their minds in innovating their products, not the names of the products.
Beveled, bubbly plastic edges and a brightly coloured 4.
It's about as inspiring as SGI's new logo.
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BTW the PC586 was a pain to configure, compared to the then current 3Com cards.
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At least they aren't doing the 3DFX design model.
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Voodoo 2 = 2 Voodoo 1's
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Voodoo 5 = 2 Voodoo 3's, MORE VRAM THAN YOUR SDRAM
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All I want in a processor is 512k of integrated L2 cache that runs at full clockspeed, and a 200mhz bus. Is that too much?
RDRAM goes (or at least was going) for $800 for a 128 MB stick.
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Not to be nitpicky, but if you are referring to L2, the Pentium Pro kept its L2 cache in the same ceramic package, but on a different die, running at the same clock speed. That's why it was so fscking expensive.
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Software versioning is subtly different.
.eq. unique identifier.
First of all, they do have names: Witness potato etc (Okay, that's Debian, I dunno, I don't use distros).
Secondly, with software, the name implies compatability. If you upgrade to the next version, of the same software, you expct it to do the same things, if a little better. Changing the name would be counter intuative.
With (Open Source) software, it is often possable to get bleeding edge downloads (thank you CVS), where a fixed version number implies some form of stability. With hardware, it is fixed, and there is no need to differentate between development and release versions - if the public can get it, it's a release version.
The real beef is not that the name is dull, but that there used to be a proper versioning system (8086, 80286, 80386), albeit one where the version number was in the middle of the 'name' [0], due to historical accident.
Now, we have a name that was ment to replace one incarnation of the 'naming' system that has been stretched to cover multiple versions, to the point where it is now useless to identify each system.
And that is why I think it's stupid.
[0] In this context name
I'll bet this chip will have liquid referigeration with 333MHz FSB 1.1GHz clock, 8 mb L1 cache, 64MB builtin DDR SDRRAM, run on 200Watts, weigh 2 kilos and still boot in an 8086 real mode.
333MHz FSB? naaa.... not intel.
Yes they are getting desperate against AMD...
hmm...
I'm runnin linux over a 486 and it still seems okay for me. I was planning to get a PII to play Unreal but I suppose i should just go for a macintosh that goes forward in larger strides than Pentium 1,2,3,4,5.
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They finally got around to using arabic instead of roman numerals. I saw someone say that it should be "Sexium", but it really should be "Octium" or Nonium" (depending on whether Pentium Pro was separate from Pentium II (not sure about this)) Eventually they might run into element names if they do it that way (Unniloctium etc.) So I guess the Pentium 4 is actually Oxygen or Flourine (vaporware?:-). Maybe they should use binary, that way they get bigger looking numbers: Pentuim 100{0|1}. Will someone tell me what the numbers are for Pentium->PPro->PII?
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No, redundant is correcting the link. Pentium 4 is good marketing. Every lUser knows that Pentiums are great computer thingies... What ever it is that they do...
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I don't see what the big deal is, Intel released a new chip. ::sarcasm mode:: Whoopi! ::sarcasm mode:: Tell me where to get cold hard specs, and not off of the intel site. Lets find them from someone like Tom. Then, if it pans out, we can wet our pants because of this thing.
Don't you learn about pentagons in elementary school?
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"new Pentium 4 processor is based on revolutionary technology"
What revolutionary technology are they referring to? I mean, marketing departments sometimes stretch the truth .. but outright lies?
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You use how much? 196? What did you do, get a 128mb dimm, a 64 mb dimm, and... a 4mb dimm? How odd.
However, the Hexium would be the perfect platform to run any flavor of Windows. "Wow, I just loaded Win2K on my new Hex!"
Am I the only person to notice that the logo for this is essentially the Texas state flag rotated 90 degrees? Check here for a comparison. Is this thing going to be manufactured in Austin? :-) Thanks and Gig 'Em!!
> I guess the can't call it "Sextium", although
> it might boost sales...
Sorry, you're mixing Latin and Greek. The
successor to the "Pentium" would logically be
the "Hexium"--which admittedly isn't as funny but
does have its own possiblities. The "Sextium"
would have to be the successor to the "Quintium".
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Most people not only associate "Pentium" with "fast processor", they associate "Pentium" with "any processor".
True story: I was in my local Drat Shack (which also has a section devoted to amateur radio gear and other "stuff" on consignment) and this kid (who, for the record, seemed to believe "soap" was a four letter word) comes in. He starts looking at this old Pentium 75 that is stuck into a block of plain old styrofoam (can you say ESD? I thought you could). "Ouuuuh, would this work in my computer? I have a pentium-486." As you can tell, it went downhill from there. Fast.
Intel has poured gigadollars into making this the case: people ask what kind of Pentium is in their Macs, or in my Indy, or whatnot. Intel's execs would sooner chew off their own testicles than change that name.
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And like Pentiums too - Corvette C3, C4, C5...
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Can you imagine how much money some team of graphics artists got paid to come up with that logo?
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I wish they would come out with a new name for it other than Pentium 5, but it just occured to me.. no one ever really complains about a software product just incrementing a version number.. ie. Oh man there just calling the next version of Redhat, "Redhat 6.3"?!?! That is such a boring and overused name! . .
So should it really be any different for a hardware product?
Thank you, everyone and his mother who posted a whining "wrong URL!!!1" comment and the subsequent stroke-of-genius-inspired corrected address to this thread before reading any of the other comments.
I am personally waiting to see the performance of the chip (even rumours would do!), though something tells me AMD is gonna beat them with the Athlon II or some such thing a few weeks after release.
Labeling is false:
The eighth generation chip
Should be "Octium"
Penta- is the Greek root for five. The Latin equivilent is probably quin-. Hexa- is Greek for six, so "logically" you would see the Hexium next (though I don't really think you will. )
Not to mention, they had to pay them to decide Pentium is still a viable name instead of Quicessor (quick processor) or Banana.
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And therein is the problem: 80586 is an "even" number. See, they'd have been safe if they'd integrated the x86 processors into the x87 coprocessors instead of hte othe rway around . . .
of course, they can't use *that*, because it would cause confusion with a certain operating system.
hawk, who asked a friend's wife for chalk before booting their darkside computer. She brought it, and I drew a pentium around their computer before booting windows . . .
I suppose it's called a P4 to compete with the G4 - wow, this is going to have so many Apple customers confused... NOT.
Of course it's a stupid comment - it's a stupid name.
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Well, its entirely obvious to me that Intel has adopted the Street Fighter numbering system. In three or four years, we can look forward to Pentium Ex Alpha Plus.
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8086: 16 bit processor (debatable), 16 bit path.
8088: 16 bit processor (debatable), crippled 8 bit path for IBM.
80286: Real mode enhancements to 8088. PCAT
80386: 32 Bit. Virtual Processor enhancements to 80286. First used by Compaq.
80386sx: 32 bit, 16 bit data path. Cheap.
80486: Cache.
80486sx: Found a use for chips with bad floating point units.
Pentium: Dual Pipes. Lots of heat. Math errors.
Pentium Pro: RISC core, X86 instructions
Pentium II: Consumer Pentium Pro; cheaper package
Celery: Crippled Pentium II
Celery A series: Crippled Pentium II with cache
Pentium III: Since when does adding a few instructions make a new product?
Pentium 4: Since when does changing the manufacturing technique make a new product?
Intel has never been able to name a processor. The only trend here is that the next generation offers less and less. Pentium III is a Pentium II with some new instructions - big deal. Pentium 4 is even less of a big deal.
Forget the annoucements and the color schemes! Let's see some innovation!
nuff said
C'mon, Athlon sounds very cool indeed. OK, so Duron may be an invitation for parodies, but Athlon... :)
As someone said earlier, the word Pentium has become so vague, you no longer know whether you're talking about a puny 75MHz granpa or an 850MHz beast.
Can't wait for those SMP Athlon boards
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It's a brand they've built, this processor is the next in a continual line... why would they change the name or the logo? Do you actually care that they didn't, or are you just looking for snide comments to make because it's hip to not like Intel?
When do we get to the Hexium?
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The new Pentium 4 name builds upon one of the world's most recognized brands to convey the most powerful personal computing experience.
At least they are honest that it has nothing to do with performance and everything to do with perception.
"Computer users will be able to instantly recognize the Pentium 4 processor as Intel's newest high-performance microprocessor."
Maybe computer users can recognize it being new because it's called the Pentium 4 not 3...
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There is slightly more info in this story on BBC news. (that was quick) 1.5GHz would be nice though...
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Intel Announces Pentium® [version] Brand Name For New Microprocessor
SANTA CLARA, Calif., [date] - Intel Corporation today announced the Intel® Pentium® [version] processor brand name for its new generation of desktop microprocessors (formerly code-named [codename]).
The new Pentium® [version] name builds upon one of the world's most recognized brands to convey the most powerful personal computing experience. Scheduled to be introduced in the [segment] of [year], the new Pentium® [version] processor is based on revolutionary technology designed to maximize performance today and in the future, keeping consumers on the cutting edge of the [latest fad].
"Around the world, PC users associate the [insert name here] brand with the highest PC performance, compatibility and quality available," said Pam Pollace, vice president, Intel Sales and Marketing Group, and director, Worldwide Marketing Operations. "Computer users will be able to instantly recognize the Pentium® [version] processor as Intel's newest high-performance microprocessor."
The Intel Pentium® [version] processor logo will become part of the Intel Inside® program, the largest co-opted advertising program in the world.
Intel, the world's largest chip maker, is also a leading manufacturer of computer, networking and communications products. Additional information about Intel is available at www.intel.com/pressroom.
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Wow! Whoever posted the article screwed up the link - it takes precisely 0.34 seconds to figure out what it should've been. Now, just a few minutes after the article has been posted I counted 19 (!) "helpful" replies that direct you to the right place and explain how to get there! isn't that awesome?- --------
Do all of you guys seriously expect to be rated as "informative". Well, what can I say, I probably deserve a troll or an off-topic anyway.
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Granted Pentium is a kewl word to say (Like Salsa) but c'mon Intel, let's get the dictionary and start lookin' for a new word. Pentium means five. FIVE. Not six, seven or eight... FIVE!
n tel.com Or how about just a sound effect so everyone that goes to purchase one has to make a noise. At least that way there it's entertaining.
Sequels never make it. Look at the Friday the 13th series... Friday the 13th, Jason goes to Euro-Itchy and Scratchy Land. Let's look at the Pentium: Pentium 4, Yes We Can Count But That's All We Can Do!
Maybe I'm just a geek like the rest of you, but I think Intel needs a new name for the Pentium. Like the Penti-DOH! or i.hate.really.long.fully.qualified.domain.names.i
Pentium... Pfft...
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The Pentium was the 586; The Pentium Pro was the 686; The Pentium II and III, being merely modifications of the PPro, are also 686. Originally, the Merced was to be the 786, but it looks like they'll be going a whole new route with that, and Willamette (the Pentium 4), being a new chip, will take the 786 label.
11+ (I guess only checked a couple) seem to be free, anyone want to invest? (given of course that Pentium is a made up name, and a trademark)
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Wow. Switch the mode to threaded highest score first. That top guy most hold some kind of record for most responses to a single comment. Wonderfully, all 478 comments on this page seem to be about naming. As for the processesor itself, it is the biggest leap since the Pentium Pro. The Pentium 4 is an entierly new architecture (dumb as hell naming scheme. If a PII with extra cache deserves the Xeon moniker, this should atleast beo Pentium Rangers in Space! But I digress.) The PIV uses a new technique that Intel calls "double pumping." It is essentially the same technology used in AGP and DDR-SDRAM to achive high clockspeeds, the data units work on both the rising and falling edges of the clock. Thus, the bus is quad pumped (I think 100MHz clock transferrng 4X per clock) and the ALU's are double pumped, so a 1.5GHz PIV will have math units crunching at 3GHz! Also, there are a bevy of other changes such as deeper pipelines and better caching. What's certain is that Athlon is not going to hold AMD on top anymore. Sure, clock for clock the Athlon might be more efficient, but nothing is argueing with an effective 3GHz clockspeed. This is especially important for stuff like 3D graphics since the geometry doesn't use up that much bus bandwidth, so the processor can crunch at the full 3GHz without having to wait for the bus.
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Great... Now I am going to have to upgrade to this new P4. My 286 won't handle the high res 8,325,644 byte logo I just downloaded.
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He's not dumb, but you apparently are.
A PII in a laptop is a cheesy little toy compared to a PII in a desktop. A G3 in a laptop is the same exact processor as the one in the desktops.
So a 233 G3 powerbook is much faster than a 400 PII laptop. It also has about twice the battery life.
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I don't know about anyone else, but I thought that the Itanium was supposed to be the next great leap forward. Does this make the Pentuim 4 a "stopgap" chip until there is mainstream IA-64 acceptance, sort of like how Windows Me is a stopgap OS until there is "mainstream" NT/2000 acceptance?
Personally, I was expecting my next PC purchase to be an Itanium. Was/is anyone holding off for Itanium??
People in this space are always talking about the amount of money focus groups must spend to come up with names like "agilent" and "duron". This is intel's way of competing with AMD, they're cutting down on the cost of *naming* the thing and passing the savings to you. So quit whining already! "Sausage King of Chicago"
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Mmm, Hexium. The chip that curses your system. Oh wait ...
Damn it, the Pentium does that just fine already!
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