yes,companies who run things need to make a profit to stay in business. so why do they have to do it with advertising on their web site? why can't they make money, say, on their products? woah, concept.
the term 'isp' has historically been applied to those who sell internet access, be it via dialup, isdn, or broadband networks. dyndns does not fall within that category.
which of course brings TWICE as many people to the site, since now they've got two people doing the ordering -- the person who wanted the stuff, and the person who owns the computer (and now might be interested in ordering as well.)
this assumes that all email won't automatically be lowest priority, but do you really think that spammers are going to assign their messages a lower priority than the highest possible setting? by this i mean: if email message priorities are settable at all, spammers are of course going to assume that theirs is top priority all the time in order to abuse the system and spread their message.
hardly a revolutionary thought, i know, but it's a concern anyway. perhaps you and i are thinking of different concepts as far as this is concerned. feel free to correct me.
it'd be one hot seller, as all the guys who got tired of hearing women go on and on about how it's so romantic and leo's so cute and what drama... blah blah blah. time to die, leo. muahahaha.
"They aren't harboring spammers, but they are harboring spam-tool makers."
"It is software that is DESIGNED to extract email addresses and then 'stealth' send them... ie, send it illegally using hijacked equipment without getting caught."
okay, so they're not osama bin laden, but can we shoot missiles at them anyway?
well it's pretty fuckin' annoying, since instead of one item for the information (bugtraq list email) you now have to read two (email and website of src). big deal, you say, and you have a point: the person who's really interested was probably going to read more than just the email anyway, but come on -- it really looks like these two companies are just being... difficult... for little reason. they're playing games for control. in microsoft's case, they get to downplay security problems, and in l0pht's, well no clue there. i do fear for bugtraq, though, even though i don't actively read it -- corporations playing stupid fuckin' games like this can never end in anything good for the community at large.
i think that, as with most problems, the answer lies somewhere in the middle. And that in the middle, both parties are going to send out their zealots to meet and come up with some red headed bastard stepchild of a standard that doesn't work well because it's a conglomeration of two totally different sets of ideas. then the world will go out and use this thing and wonder what a cohesive design would really be like.
the post office is all in favor of this. then they can regulate the charge of sending email, finally! and raise the price whenever they want, to boot. no more whining about losing profits because of email from them...
Main Entry: surreptitious
Pronunciation: "s&r-&p-'ti-sh&s, "s&-r&p-, &-"rep-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin surrepticius, from surreptus,
past participle of surripere to snatch secretly, from sub- + rapere to
seize -- more at RAPID
Date: 15th century
1 : done, made, or acquired by stealth : CLANDESTINE
2 : acting or doing something clandestinely : STEALTHY
synonym see SECRET
- surreptitiously adverb
"Of course Microsoft has a copyright in the text of the bug report -- copyright subsists in all original works of authorship fixed in a tangible medium."
wouldn't the copyright of the text then belong to the author of the bug report, and not to microsoft?
1) the last thing i wanna see is your ugly mug when i'm talkin' to ya.
2) i'm POSITIVE we can come up with better ways to spend our bandwidth than sending video and voice streaming data of your ugly mug (previously mentioned) over the internet.
3) videophones would make it alot harder to lie to your boss when you're calling in sick.;)
4) the pr0n lines would love videophones, eh?
yeah you've got a point. still, i wish it was the advertising monkeys who come up with stupid ideas like this that had to field the calls instead of the poor techs. the advert guys always drop the real crap on some other dept. anyway...
and yeah, it was optimistic to think that a cust would thank you.;)
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yes,companies who run things need to make a profit to stay in business. so why do they have to do it with advertising on their web site? why can't they make money, say, on their products? woah, concept.
eudas
"With that half an exception, I have yet to see a use of javascript that didn't boil down to advertising, laziness, incompetence, or showing off."
er, i think you just described 90% of everything, not just javascript...
eudas
the term 'isp' has historically been applied to those who sell internet access, be it via dialup, isdn, or broadband networks. dyndns does not fall within that category.
eudas
they're not an isp, they provide dynamic dns services.
eudas
hey, what's the use of money if you can't use it to get your own way, right?
eudas
which of course brings TWICE as many people to the site, since now they've got two people doing the ordering -- the person who wanted the stuff, and the person who owns the computer (and now might be interested in ordering as well.)
eudas
this assumes that all email won't automatically be lowest priority, but do you really think that spammers are going to assign their messages a lower priority than the highest possible setting? by this i mean: if email message priorities are settable at all, spammers are of course going to assume that theirs is top priority all the time in order to abuse the system and spread their message.
hardly a revolutionary thought, i know, but it's a concern anyway. perhaps you and i are thinking of different concepts as far as this is concerned. feel free to correct me.
cheers,
eudas
it'd be one hot seller, as all the guys who got tired of hearing women go on and on about how it's so romantic and leo's so cute and what drama... blah blah blah. time to die, leo. muahahaha.
eudas
how do you know you haven't been shaped by marketing departments? let's think... coca cola? ford? marlboro? think again...
eudas
little. yellow. different.
eudas
"They aren't harboring spammers, but they are harboring spam-tool makers."
"It is software that is DESIGNED to extract email addresses and then 'stealth' send them... ie, send it illegally using hijacked equipment without getting caught."
okay, so they're not osama bin laden, but can we shoot missiles at them anyway?
eudas
well it's pretty fuckin' annoying, since instead of one item for the information (bugtraq list email) you now have to read two (email and website of src). big deal, you say, and you have a point: the person who's really interested was probably going to read more than just the email anyway, but come on -- it really looks like these two companies are just being... difficult... for little reason. they're playing games for control. in microsoft's case, they get to downplay security problems, and in l0pht's, well no clue there. i do fear for bugtraq, though, even though i don't actively read it -- corporations playing stupid fuckin' games like this can never end in anything good for the community at large.
just another $0.04 from
eudas
i think that, as with most problems, the answer lies somewhere in the middle. And that in the middle, both parties are going to send out their zealots to meet and come up with some red headed bastard stepchild of a standard that doesn't work well because it's a conglomeration of two totally different sets of ideas. then the world will go out and use this thing and wonder what a cohesive design would really be like.
eudas
"SPAM uses huge amounts of bandwidth."
so do slashdot posts. i don't see anybody stopping...
eudas
the post office is all in favor of this. then they can regulate the charge of sending email, finally! and raise the price whenever they want, to boot. no more whining about losing profits because of email from them...
eudas
"but also still have plenty of innovation left for the future."
whew! and i was afraid we were going to run out of innovation soon. thank goodness they let us know that they've stocked up.
eudas
you've just described, for the most part, the next four years of my life. ;)
eudas, student.
Main Entry: surreptitious
Pronunciation: "s&r-&p-'ti-sh&s, "s&-r&p-, &-"rep-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin surrepticius, from surreptus,
past participle of surripere to snatch secretly, from sub- + rapere to
seize -- more at RAPID
Date: 15th century
1 : done, made, or acquired by stealth : CLANDESTINE
2 : acting or doing something clandestinely : STEALTHY
synonym see SECRET
- surreptitiously adverb
eudas
"Of course Microsoft has a copyright in the text of the bug report -- copyright subsists in all original works of authorship fixed in a tangible medium."
wouldn't the copyright of the text then belong to the author of the bug report, and not to microsoft?
eudas
see here.
eudas
time to invest in the company that makes the yellow sticky notes...
eudas
1) the last thing i wanna see is your ugly mug when i'm talkin' to ya. ;)
2) i'm POSITIVE we can come up with better ways to spend our bandwidth than sending video and voice streaming data of your ugly mug (previously mentioned) over the internet.
3) videophones would make it alot harder to lie to your boss when you're calling in sick.
4) the pr0n lines would love videophones, eh?
just a few thoughts.
eudas
in the immortal words of daffy duck, 'oh ho ho, it is to laugh.'
eudas
also check out another similar-sounding site:
http://www.techcomedy.com/
eudas
yeah you've got a point. still, i wish it was the advertising monkeys who come up with stupid ideas like this that had to field the calls instead of the poor techs. the advert guys always drop the real crap on some other dept. anyway...
;)
and yeah, it was optimistic to think that a cust would thank you.
eudas