Not useless, but trickier to use. I have the same issue (and once showed up at Newark Penn waiting for what I later realized was an Amtrak train), but it still will show all of the trains in most cases. Where it isn't useful but could be is trips like Newark (NJ) to Wilmington. You CAN take NJT/SEPTA, but it will never show up because it is so much slower.
My commute is the same length as you and I live in a city. Plenty of people who live in cities commute possibly a little longer than that by train to work. 30 mins is probably a good average around here. Does that equate to 1/8 of a day in your bubble as well?
Seriously, go visit someplace that isn't Shitkicker, USA before you talk trash.
But that's not the way it works: the transit provider supplies the data. Google is there to receive it. If you want your local authority to have it, request it (and/or offer to help them do it).
I do agree with you that there are issues with the trip costs. In the US, the analogy is Amtrak. It will suggest it a lot of times because it is faster (even if only by 20 mins on a 60 minute journey) but it costs at least 3 times as much -- sometimes 6 times as much as public transit. There should be some sort of differentiator between public transit and more "premium" services.
I'd take high gasoline prices in a heartbeat now. I buy it about 4 times a year because I've chosen to live somewhere with decent transportation, and proper taxation of gasoline could turn Amtrak into more than a curiosity and into a real rail carrier.
You're right -- they changed the HTML site a lot and it will ultimately replace the Flash site. You still have to specifically go to it right now (the main site just fails with no Flash).
Apparently the HTML version has already been upgraded: http://supporthtml.oracle.com/ -- apparently an all-HTML version will replace the entire portal in not so long (which may or may not be this one at the supporthtml page, but I know that is not what the HTML version looked like a month ago).
As far as I know though they are planning to replace it (I believe they sent out a downtime memo) so that ought to be gone well before 5 years from now.
Choosing where to live does not have to mean choosing what country or state to live in. Most people I know do not look AT ALL at public transportation before they move, even in the same area... and then sometime down the road say they don't use public transportation because it doesn't go where they live. I could live somewhere within 20 mins of here that is not well served by transit... but I didn't.
That is quite possible. In my area, there was no single planner. NJTransit had tiny pieces of the NYC subway system and the PATH but that was about as far as it went.
I believe the spec does allow for adding frequency into the data (I see "train runs every 0 minutes" a lot) but I think that agencies are not using it.
Agreed one place Google doesn't do as well is major transport centers where it's a variable amount of time to get in and out the door. In New York Penn Station, Google always gives a ridiculous amount of time (like 15 mins minimum) even though it really doesn't take that long if you know where you're going. However, for most of these high-frequency situations, what you really need is the route anyway.
Oracle hasn't replaced that site yet -- the primary site is still Flash and you've now reminded me why this will be a big headache.
Honestly I read this and thought "WTF?!" I'm getting sick and tired of two steps forward and at least two steps back. I don't think Flash is great or anything, but we live in a world where people use it and I don't get to decide that I don't want to go to those sites.
Too bad you live somewhere where there is no public transit you mean. First, you are oversimplifying as there are plenty of places that don't fit your in to work out to home model. Regardless though (and we can't really have a conversation about it unless you say where you are), there are areas that are built so poorly that transit cannot support them because no one would ride and routes couldn't possibly anticipate where people are going. How is that public transit's fault? That is the fault of city planners and people who choose to live in those places. Southern Jersey is a good example -- how are you going to enact sane transportation policy when everywhere is the middle of nowhere?
Oh, yeah, California is awesome, man: an hour to go five miles stuck in traffic. What an asinine assertion, even leaving the environment out of it. Really great design.
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Not useless, but trickier to use. I have the same issue (and once showed up at Newark Penn waiting for what I later realized was an Amtrak train), but it still will show all of the trains in most cases. Where it isn't useful but could be is trips like Newark (NJ) to Wilmington. You CAN take NJT/SEPTA, but it will never show up because it is so much slower.
This comment shows a good understanding of the way the world works. Well done.
Have you reported it broken? I've fixed multiple places and it only took a couple of months each for them to get addressed.
What's the weather like in your bubble?
My commute is the same length as you and I live in a city. Plenty of people who live in cities commute possibly a little longer than that by train to work. 30 mins is probably a good average around here. Does that equate to 1/8 of a day in your bubble as well?
Seriously, go visit someplace that isn't Shitkicker, USA before you talk trash.
Like I said, you don't get it: data is supplied by the transport providers.
But that's not the way it works: the transit provider supplies the data. Google is there to receive it. If you want your local authority to have it, request it (and/or offer to help them do it).
I do agree with you that there are issues with the trip costs. In the US, the analogy is Amtrak. It will suggest it a lot of times because it is faster (even if only by 20 mins on a 60 minute journey) but it costs at least 3 times as much -- sometimes 6 times as much as public transit. There should be some sort of differentiator between public transit and more "premium" services.
If more people would ride it and quit fucking up traffic with their shitty driving, maybe it would.
Sounds like you would benefit from the Weekender: http://www.mta.info/weekender.html
Doesn't help full time, but there are seldom major reroutes except late nights or weekends.
One really needs to read the paper signs in the stations. They're almost always there now and they are easier to understand than they used to be.
What are shapes?
Says someone it doesn't sound like has ever been to Europe... or NYC for that matter.
That is not the total cost of driving.
I'd take high gasoline prices in a heartbeat now. I buy it about 4 times a year because I've chosen to live somewhere with decent transportation, and proper taxation of gasoline could turn Amtrak into more than a curiosity and into a real rail carrier.
That is also nowhere near the total cost of a trip by car (which is admittedly difficult to calculate).
You're right -- they changed the HTML site a lot and it will ultimately replace the Flash site. You still have to specifically go to it right now (the main site just fails with no Flash).
Apparently the HTML version has already been upgraded: http://supporthtml.oracle.com/ -- apparently an all-HTML version will replace the entire portal in not so long (which may or may not be this one at the supporthtml page, but I know that is not what the HTML version looked like a month ago).
As far as I know though they are planning to replace it (I believe they sent out a downtime memo) so that ought to be gone well before 5 years from now.
Choosing where to live does not have to mean choosing what country or state to live in. Most people I know do not look AT ALL at public transportation before they move, even in the same area... and then sometime down the road say they don't use public transportation because it doesn't go where they live. I could live somewhere within 20 mins of here that is not well served by transit... but I didn't.
So you're saying he never chose where to live? C'mon.
That is quite possible. In my area, there was no single planner. NJTransit had tiny pieces of the NYC subway system and the PATH but that was about as far as it went.
I believe the spec does allow for adding frequency into the data (I see "train runs every 0 minutes" a lot) but I think that agencies are not using it.
Agreed one place Google doesn't do as well is major transport centers where it's a variable amount of time to get in and out the door. In New York Penn Station, Google always gives a ridiculous amount of time (like 15 mins minimum) even though it really doesn't take that long if you know where you're going. However, for most of these high-frequency situations, what you really need is the route anyway.
Oracle hasn't replaced that site yet -- the primary site is still Flash and you've now reminded me why this will be a big headache.
Honestly I read this and thought "WTF?!" I'm getting sick and tired of two steps forward and at least two steps back. I don't think Flash is great or anything, but we live in a world where people use it and I don't get to decide that I don't want to go to those sites.
Yeah, because that was the most important point in this article.
What is the point of this long rambling nonsense exactly?
Too bad you live somewhere where there is no public transit you mean. First, you are oversimplifying as there are plenty of places that don't fit your in to work out to home model. Regardless though (and we can't really have a conversation about it unless you say where you are), there are areas that are built so poorly that transit cannot support them because no one would ride and routes couldn't possibly anticipate where people are going. How is that public transit's fault? That is the fault of city planners and people who choose to live in those places. Southern Jersey is a good example -- how are you going to enact sane transportation policy when everywhere is the middle of nowhere?
Oh, yeah, California is awesome, man: an hour to go five miles stuck in traffic. What an asinine assertion, even leaving the environment out of it. Really great design.
Only for iPhone though, yah?