Some people enjoy mucking around with the internals of their system all day, but I just want mine to work with as little fuss as possible, so I can use it to get my work done.
Amen. I really love linux, but the one thing I really miss from Windoze is not having to deal with all the library dependencies like I do under linux. Anyone who says the DLL hell under Windoze is worse is a few cards short of a deck.
Now that the rant is out... I have a question. Does the RPM apt really solve all the dependency issues? I installed KDE2 recently, and there was two ways to go as far as I could tell.
rpm -i --force or --nodeps every package
uninstall every KDE 1.x package I had,and anything that depended on them(like kpackage) and then install the new version.
I ended up doing the latter. Would apt automate all of this? If so, would it auto-replace all of the packages that depended on the old packages it had to get rid of (like the aforementioned kpackage)? I'm doubtful (but hopeful;-)
I do have a plain paper fax, and the number is unlisted. What costs me so much money is the film paper, or the "ink". A roll is only good for a hundred pages or so, and the spammers go through that in a month. They find the number buy doing "cold calls". Surely you have answered your phone at some point to be greeted by the beep of a fax machine? Accident? I think not. Then they sell the numbers they find to other fax spammers, and before you know it you are getting a hundred pages of fax spam a month.
Japan: some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. Look at how much (read: how little) violent crime there is.
Odd, I was under the impression that the main reason that the street crime was so low was that the uzi wielding yakuza kept it that way so the government would look the other way and not bust up the massive organized prostitution rings, or ban the legalized loan sharking.
You know what burns me up? I can live with the email spam, whatever you delete it. But I got a fax machine a while back and the damn fax spammers have ran three rolls of transfer paper out already (at $25 a roll). I didn't buy a fourth. It is nuts, I can't even leave my fax machine turned on.
Don't feel bad, I expected them to call it flambait.
I could give a shit about my karma, I just was hoping someone could spread some light as to why in the world Helix Code Inc. would be using windows when their focus is to provide an alternative to it. I mean, if it isn't good enough for their marketing department, how is it ever gonna be good enough for mine?
You know what kills me about Helix? My LUG got an email from them a while back, take a look at the header. Thats right, they use WINDOWS. I realize she is just some marketing puke, but wouldn't you think a company formed around the idea of *nix software would atleast eat their own? If Evolutions is so great... Why arent they using it themselves?
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I have an old Voodoo2 and Glide + Mesa + X3.3.x crashed constantly while running accelerated programs, and occasionally even locked the system up tight (Linux 2.2.1x).
I've been using X 4.01 for several months now. OpenGL stuff is MUCH more stable then it was under X 3.3.x. Not a single lockup so far, and I don't remember the last time it crashed.
Christoph Bugel said above:
//C++ standard defines stringstream in .
//g++ defines strstream in .
stringstream and strstream are BOTH in the standard library. strstream is a stripped down version of stringstream. They are not the same class. THis is not the case where a header was named incorrectly, but rather where an entire class of the standard library is missing from libstdc++ (as is valarray).
Also, in the current libstdc++ the functional stream mainpulators are missing. IE:
cout setw(30) right "Right justified";
This works find under VC++ 5, Borland Cpp Builder 3, even Visual Age C++, but is not implemented under libstdc++.
How are we supposed to know whether it worked at home or not? In any case, a little bit of investigation usually showed that the program had a combination of bugs that gcc/glibc/Solaris trigged but DroolIDE's compiler environment didn't.
Lets be fair.... The C++ io library that came with my distro (RH 6.2) is missing a whole lot of stuff. AFAIK none of the function stream manipulators are implemented (left, right, setw, etc). Not to mention that stringstream is conspicuously absent, as well as valarray. I don't know about you, but I use string stream all the time in parsing, and strstream is a rotten substitute.
So be nice to the windoze (C++) compilers, the compiler may or may not stink, but (as much as I hate it) the standard library for that windoze compiler is almost certainly much more complete then the one on your (and my) Unix box.
You are missing the point. Sure I can make gcc cross compile to anything from my 68HC11 to my Coldfire all the way up to Linux or Win32 apps. This is all very nice, but it dosen't address toolkit/library issues.
QT does ease the pain of cross platform GUI dev. However QT is far from ideal in many, many ways. If Borland can keep the VCL very compatible between Win32/Linux, then I can literally write one piece of code including GUI/Socket/Database code and never port a single line of any of it. Will Code Warrior allow you to do that?
If you are coding device drivers all day you probably wouldn't care, but I do database front ends for a living and this would be nice option for someone like me.
I grew my hair long to Metallica. I worshiped them when I was 15 (anyone remember Cliff?). Ten years later, I would really like to listen to my old favorite, "Jump in the Fire!". But how? The EP is out of print. Same goes for much of the music I like ( like Motley Crue Decade of Decadence). Give me a web site where I can pull down my favorite tunes of yesterday at a buck or two a pop and we will both be happy.
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I know of several ISPs in town that use M$ for various things, but aren't exactly playing the licensing game fairly either.
They take up a bit of land, and are likely an eyesore. Then again, they are confined to the middle of the desert.
I got it! We cover the Sahara with these things and Africa produces power for the world!
Amen. I really love linux, but the one thing I really miss from Windoze is not having to deal with all the library dependencies like I do under linux. Anyone who says the DLL hell under Windoze is worse is a few cards short of a deck.
Now that the rant is out... I have a question. Does the RPM apt really solve all the dependency issues? I installed KDE2 recently, and there was two ways to go as far as I could tell.
rpm -i --force or --nodeps every package
uninstall every KDE 1.x package I had ,and anything that depended on them(like kpackage) and then install the new version.
I ended up doing the latter. Would apt automate all of this? If so, would it auto-replace all of the packages that depended on the old packages it had to get rid of (like the aforementioned kpackage)? I'm doubtful (but hopeful ;-)
I do have a plain paper fax, and the number is unlisted. What costs me so much money is the film paper, or the "ink". A roll is only good for a hundred pages or so, and the spammers go through that in a month. They find the number buy doing "cold calls". Surely you have answered your phone at some point to be greeted by the beep of a fax machine? Accident? I think not. Then they sell the numbers they find to other fax spammers, and before you know it you are getting a hundred pages of fax spam a month.
Odd, I was under the impression that the main reason that the street crime was so low was that the uzi wielding yakuza kept it that way so the government would look the other way and not bust up the massive organized prostitution rings, or ban the legalized loan sharking.
You know what burns me up? I can live with the email spam, whatever you delete it. But I got a fax machine a while back and the damn fax spammers have ran three rolls of transfer paper out already (at $25 a roll). I didn't buy a fourth. It is nuts, I can't even leave my fax machine turned on.
I could give a shit about my karma, I just was hoping someone could spread some light as to why in the world Helix Code Inc. would be using windows when their focus is to provide an alternative to it. I mean, if it isn't good enough for their marketing department, how is it ever gonna be good enough for mine?
You know what kills me about Helix? My LUG got an email from them a while back, take a look at the header. Thats right, they use WINDOWS. I realize she is just some marketing puke, but wouldn't you think a company formed around the idea of *nix software would atleast eat their own? If Evolutions is so great... Why arent they using it themselves?
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I've been using X 4.01 for several months now. OpenGL stuff is MUCH more stable then it was under X 3.3.x. Not a single lockup so far, and I don't remember the last time it crashed.
Christoph Bugel said above:
//C++ standard defines stringstream in .
//g++ defines strstream in .
stringstream and strstream are BOTH in the standard library. strstream is a stripped down version of stringstream. They are not the same class. THis is not the case where a header was named incorrectly, but rather where an entire class of the standard library is missing from libstdc++ (as is valarray).
Also, in the current libstdc++ the functional stream mainpulators are missing. IE:
cout setw(30) right "Right justified";
This works find under VC++ 5, Borland Cpp Builder 3, even Visual Age C++, but is not implemented under libstdc++.
So be nice to the windoze (C++) compilers, the compiler may or may not stink, but (as much as I hate it) the standard library for that windoze compiler is almost certainly much more complete then the one on your (and my) Unix box.
You are missing the point. Sure I can make gcc cross compile to anything from my 68HC11 to my Coldfire all the way up to Linux or Win32 apps. This is all very nice, but it dosen't address toolkit/library issues.
QT does ease the pain of cross platform GUI dev. However QT is far from ideal in many, many ways. If Borland can keep the VCL very compatible between Win32/Linux, then I can literally write one piece of code including GUI/Socket/Database code and never port a single line of any of it. Will Code Warrior allow you to do that?
If you are coding device drivers all day you probably wouldn't care, but I do database front ends for a living and this would be nice option for someone like me.
Besides, is having a choice ever a bad thing?
I grew my hair long to Metallica. I worshiped them when I was 15 (anyone remember Cliff?). Ten years later, I would really like to listen to my old favorite, "Jump in the Fire!". But how? The EP is out of print. Same goes for much of the music I like ( like Motley Crue Decade of Decadence). Give me a web site where I can pull down my favorite tunes of yesterday at a buck or two a pop and we will both be happy.