I would deviate slightly. folks should stop thinking of "the solution" as being "a solution" or "it" or some new unified thing. Instead, think of it as "what incremental things can we do that would make the mess less of a mess". If we then implement a few of those things, the world will be a better place, even if we do no more than that.
If we keep getting incrementally better, someday we'll arrive at a unified world.
so, for instance: we need a little API that allows reading and writing of hierarchical data, and an implementation of it that supports one file format. Use it in a project. Implement a second file format and now that project could write its data in either format. Approach other projects that use the same file formats and offer to switch them.
Note that the two different file formats represent polymorphism: but this should not dictate C++ (or whatever). Rather, there should be implementations of this small "project" in every common language, at least perl, C, C++ and "shell" if anybody has the 'nads.
I hope I made my point? each little step of this is one incremental thing and is good on its own.
I've got some other issues, but I don't want a long muddy post. But, f'rinstance, the.* files do not belong in my login directory, or I shouldn't log into that directory, and.* files that I hand edit should not be interspersed with.* files that are filled with computer gen'ed stuff. the ~ (home) directory is a huge stinky mess quite apart from the different file formats. Copying your.dot files to a new login dir is a nightmare. However, notice that with a new API being used to read and write them, the new API could silently move them whenever you're ready.
i host a number of different domains. i was using the/etc/aliases file for different users, but that means that sally@foo.com and sally@bar.com are the same person because the aliases file just has the sally part.
the result of doing it this way indicates that the spammers figured out what names I was hosting with no posting of any addresses on any website. Because, if there is a osama@bar.com but email comes to osama@foo.com, somebody must have "read" my aliases file (which doesn't contain the "foo" or the "bar" part). Mail does not come to random names at the wrong domains, just to the right names at the wrong domains.
do they connect up to my server and try many different combinations exhaustively, using an RSET in
between so they don't actually need to send and email? or do they have some way to connect to my server and directly suck down my aliases file?
and all what you said applies to SlashDot and SourceForge too... so you made no sense. Companies with other products to sell have a much better reason to entice traffic to their sites. I realize that bandwidth may seem expensive to someone with no money, but do you think IBM's bandwidth shows up on their income statement? that's a laugh.
you're a commercial company, but you've shown your dedication to open source. Please start hosting something like SourceForge so we can stop having to trust SourceForge. You seem safer.
Dear IBM,
you are new to open source, but you've produced a lot of great technology over the years, lost out to Microsoft for a dose of humility, and shown recent commitment you open source. You own Lotus Notes, and you host that free really cool patent database. Howsabout you start hosting something like Slashdot? it's a discussion forum just like Notes. Oh, and host something like SourceForge too while you're at it.
No, guys, not to drive these other guys out of business, but because competition makes everybody perform better, just like in the Olympics. It's so much easier to trust competitors than monopolists.
dude, I didn't say it wasn't a real reaction, I said thinking about it is having your mind on the wrong things. And you've brought us to lesson two: in a mating/dating/meeting situation do not jump in to argue the merit of scientific claims, and particularly, do not use science fiction as an example of anything.
"Love can not be much younger than the lust for murder" -- Sigmund Freud
I have a feeling that must have been.sigmund who said that, but in any case, unless you are sort of twisted, shouldn't it be "Love cannot be much older than the lust for murder"?
Watch for pupillary dilation; if they get wider when she looks back at you, you're winning. Conversely, if
her pupils shrink you are probably better off looking elsewhere.
... or maybe the bright light is behind you?
the sort of advice he dispenses indicates exactly why geeks should not think to hard about trying to pick up girls. if you are measuring her pupils, you are not in the game.
Evolutionary biology teaches us that humans being, like other animals, are adaptive machines; "feels good" is simply instinct's
way to steer us towards behaviors that were on average successful for our ancestors.
That statement indicates that he does not understand evolution. We are not the "average" of what came before. Each of us has a very distinct lineage. "feels good to us" represents some particular gene's survival strategy that has worked so far, not for us, but for that gene.
Erroneous belief in evolution is very widespread, and that's ironic because it is particularly silly to call creationists "ignorant" from a position of ignorance. Richard Dawkins' The Selfish Gene" is a great way to get educated.
We've essentially decided to give up any sense of privacy and protections against self-incrimination if it is
written down. This is wrong
Think of it from the other side for a minute. Allow me to make the crime hypothetically worse to make it seem more enticing to throw principle away: you believe Sen. Packwood tried to rape your daughter based on some credible testimony, but there's not yet enough evidence that's come to light. He's been referring to his diary in order to refresh his memory as to what happened at various times, but he's using the information only to help himself. His home has been legally searched for evidence to no avail. You want to see what he wrote down on the night in question... why should his diary be exempt from the search warrant?
Yes, we could have a legal system that respected diaries, but why? What's so precious about a diary?
Our constitutional safeguards against self-incrimination are primarily to remove torture or like punishments being used in advance to coerce testimony. If we as a species had infallible pinocchio-noses, we would not have such a right. It would be perfectly reasonable to ask a defendant questions to find out the truth behind allegations of victimization, as it is perfectly reasonable to find out what they told other people and what they wrote down.
Ignoring, of course, the fact that the price for
a handful of W keys is tiny and that replacement keys were donated.
actually, the real cost is the loss of productivity while the computers were unusable, if you really want to measure it, which you seem to have indicated that you do.
It's fairly funny as pranks go, though, so I don't think it's a big deal. Certainly nothing to start foaming at the mouth about on either side.
Surely this stink was never raised over blessèd Republicans
Quite a few stinks were raised over the Republicans. It's the nature of politics for the opposition to undermine party in power any way they can (which is more or less what you are trying to do). Every now and then, one of the scandals will "stick" with the public at large. While it seems ugly on its face, it's probably a good thing. The megalomania and egos in Washington (and Ottawa, and London, etc.) are big enough anyway, and this sort of stuff, deserved or not, provides for a steady deflation and erosion of power and probably keeps our democracy safe.
You've got an official voting station in your shower?
your official voting station doesn't have a shower? what happens when you go into the stall and pull that lever (the temptrol) and the shower curtain closes?
I think I heard they spun off or sold the book, but it used to be (in the 70s) the same company. I think the synergy is beer, barroom, drinking, doing stupid things, bragging, betting about stupid things, etc.
you're being redundant without shedding any new light... microwave radiation photons do not break molecular bonds directly in the sense that was posted, but molecular bonds do get broken in a microwave oven that is cooking things.
yes, it seems scary. I have no idea how it works or what the risks are. I do know that I've seen it/done it dozens of times and the light bulb glows on and off. Eerie.
Anybody know how it works? I'm trying to float my laptop now, I'll let you know how it works.
however, every linux distro (RedHat, Mandrake, Slackware, etc.) that I know of uses the "named" daemon that is in the "bind" package to serve the DNS protocol.
You say you've never had a need for it... It's pretty handy to be able to define your own names and to rename things that you want to rename. try it.
ckedge could, IYO, use some growing up? why? I thought it was a well written piece. disagreeing with you doesn't make them un-insightful, but it makes them immature?
I don't think that logic works. It's like saying that cars that break down a lot sell better than cars that don't because there are more mechanics who know how to fix them. Without being rigorous about it, there are probably the "right" number of each kind.
The Mac lost because it was introduced significantly after the PC and so had smaller market share, and couldn't gain share because it was expensive, proprietary (Compaq came not long after). Being small and not very exandable, it couldn't even attract the high end either. In the area that it was truly way ahead, graphic design and desktop publishing, it did quite well.
No, he actually meant linux. ESR hates GNU... His intent was to criticize the strict control over development of gcc, emacs, etc...
Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't making the point you thought, but you told me stuff I didn't know, so I came out a winner. The point I was trying to make was that if you consider the content of any typical linux distro disc, the software came from many places micro-managed many different ways. Taken as a whole, the wad is a completely decentralized unmanaged tangle that works as perfectly together as any software does.
My take on it is: ESR had a valid point. However he doesn't understand how cathedrals were
made, or what a bazaar actually is, and so he chose the wrong metaphor. I'm tempted to assign this
to religious prejudice, but it's probably just ignorance.
yes! That paper was making its point so poorly I couldn't keep reading it. Religious prejudice? How about "ordinance toting, gun stroking, anarcho-somethism":)
This forum is the
biggest bunch of complainers I've ever seen.
Hyperbole? I guess you've never browsed ZDNet's user comments?
And ZDNet's is moderated, we only get to see what they pick... I wonder what it's like raw!
He quotes ESR as saying "the development of
the Linux operating system by a loose confederation of thousands of
programmers -- without central project management or control" to hint/point out that the statement is misleading. But, ESR meant to say something more like GNU/Linux, or even GNU/BSD/Linux/X/and_then_some which was a collection of many disparate projects. Not that the whole thing managed itself anyway: Unix has been around and honed for a long time, so there was a central architecture that was being worked toward.
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I would deviate slightly. folks should stop thinking of "the solution" as being "a solution" or "it" or some new unified thing. Instead, think of it as "what incremental things can we do that would make the mess less of a mess". If we then implement a few of those things, the world will be a better place, even if we do no more than that. If we keep getting incrementally better, someday we'll arrive at a unified world.
so, for instance: we need a little API that allows reading and writing of hierarchical data, and an implementation of it that supports one file format. Use it in a project. Implement a second file format and now that project could write its data in either format. Approach other projects that use the same file formats and offer to switch them.
Note that the two different file formats represent polymorphism: but this should not dictate C++ (or whatever). Rather, there should be implementations of this small "project" in every common language, at least perl, C, C++ and "shell" if anybody has the 'nads.
I hope I made my point? each little step of this is one incremental thing and is good on its own.
I've got some other issues, but I don't want a long muddy post. But, f'rinstance, the .* files do not belong in my login directory, or I shouldn't log into that directory, and .* files that I hand edit should not be interspersed with .* files that are filled with computer gen'ed stuff. the ~ (home) directory is a huge stinky mess quite apart from the different file formats. Copying your .dot files to a new login dir is a nightmare. However, notice that with a new API being used to read and write them, the new API could silently move them whenever you're ready.
the result of doing it this way indicates that the spammers figured out what names I was hosting with no posting of any addresses on any website. Because, if there is a osama@bar.com but email comes to osama@foo.com, somebody must have "read" my aliases file (which doesn't contain the "foo" or the "bar" part). Mail does not come to random names at the wrong domains, just to the right names at the wrong domains.
do they connect up to my server and try many different combinations exhaustively, using an RSET in between so they don't actually need to send and email? or do they have some way to connect to my server and directly suck down my aliases file?
and all what you said applies to SlashDot and SourceForge too... so you made no sense. Companies with other products to sell have a much better reason to entice traffic to their sites. I realize that bandwidth may seem expensive to someone with no money, but do you think IBM's bandwidth shows up on their income statement? that's a laugh.
you're a commercial company, but you've shown your dedication to open source. Please start hosting something like SourceForge so we can stop having to trust SourceForge. You seem safer.
Dear IBM,
you are new to open source, but you've produced a lot of great technology over the years, lost out to Microsoft for a dose of humility, and shown recent commitment you open source. You own Lotus Notes, and you host that free really cool patent database. Howsabout you start hosting something like Slashdot? it's a discussion forum just like Notes. Oh, and host something like SourceForge too while you're at it.
No, guys, not to drive these other guys out of business, but because competition makes everybody perform better, just like in the Olympics. It's so much easier to trust competitors than monopolists.
dude, I didn't say it wasn't a real reaction, I said thinking about it is having your mind on the wrong things. And you've brought us to lesson two: in a mating/dating/meeting situation do not jump in to argue the merit of scientific claims, and particularly, do not use science fiction as an example of anything.
I have a feeling that must have been .sigmund who said that, but in any case, unless you are sort of twisted, shouldn't it be "Love cannot be much older than the lust for murder"?
Wow, this is good advice. Anybody know where I can get a Klingon-French dictionary? I'm going to make her shiver...
... or maybe the bright light is behind you?
the sort of advice he dispenses indicates exactly why geeks should not think to hard about trying to pick up girls. if you are measuring her pupils, you are not in the game.
Evolutionary biology teaches us that humans being, like other animals, are adaptive machines; "feels good" is simply instinct's way to steer us towards behaviors that were on average successful for our ancestors.
That statement indicates that he does not understand evolution. We are not the "average" of what came before. Each of us has a very distinct lineage. "feels good to us" represents some particular gene's survival strategy that has worked so far, not for us, but for that gene.
Erroneous belief in evolution is very widespread, and that's ironic because it is particularly silly to call creationists "ignorant" from a position of ignorance. Richard Dawkins' The Selfish Gene" is a great way to get educated.
Think of it from the other side for a minute. Allow me to make the crime hypothetically worse to make it seem more enticing to throw principle away: you believe Sen. Packwood tried to rape your daughter based on some credible testimony, but there's not yet enough evidence that's come to light. He's been referring to his diary in order to refresh his memory as to what happened at various times, but he's using the information only to help himself. His home has been legally searched for evidence to no avail. You want to see what he wrote down on the night in question... why should his diary be exempt from the search warrant?
Yes, we could have a legal system that respected diaries, but why? What's so precious about a diary?
Our constitutional safeguards against self-incrimination are primarily to remove torture or like punishments being used in advance to coerce testimony. If we as a species had infallible pinocchio-noses, we would not have such a right. It would be perfectly reasonable to ask a defendant questions to find out the truth behind allegations of victimization, as it is perfectly reasonable to find out what they told other people and what they wrote down.
actually, the real cost is the loss of productivity while the computers were unusable, if you really want to measure it, which you seem to have indicated that you do.
It's fairly funny as pranks go, though, so I don't think it's a big deal. Certainly nothing to start foaming at the mouth about on either side.
Surely this stink was never raised over blessèd Republicans
Quite a few stinks were raised over the Republicans. It's the nature of politics for the opposition to undermine party in power any way they can (which is more or less what you are trying to do). Every now and then, one of the scandals will "stick" with the public at large. While it seems ugly on its face, it's probably a good thing. The megalomania and egos in Washington (and Ottawa, and London, etc.) are big enough anyway, and this sort of stuff, deserved or not, provides for a steady deflation and erosion of power and probably keeps our democracy safe.
your official voting station doesn't have a shower? what happens when you go into the stall and pull that lever (the temptrol) and the shower curtain closes?
I think I heard they spun off or sold the book, but it used to be (in the 70s) the same company. I think the synergy is beer, barroom, drinking, doing stupid things, bragging, betting about stupid things, etc.
you're being redundant without shedding any new light... microwave radiation photons do not break molecular bonds directly in the sense that was posted, but molecular bonds do get broken in a microwave oven that is cooking things.
why does it go on and off with a period measured in seconds? is the water necessary? why doesn't it work with Xmas tree lights?
I understand conservation of energy and all, I'm curious about the process in this case.
don't forget how microwave ovens work, though.
yes, it seems scary. I have no idea how it works or what the risks are. I do know that I've seen it/done it dozens of times and the light bulb glows on and off. Eerie.
Anybody know how it works? I'm trying to float my laptop now, I'll let you know how it works.
IIRC, Singer was also very big in avionics for fighter jets. I don't know if it was stuff they developed internally or just a company they acquired.
This is more or less the reason why that corporations exist, so it doesn't follow from anything... rethink.
however, every linux distro (RedHat, Mandrake, Slackware, etc.) that I know of uses the "named" daemon that is in the "bind" package to serve the DNS protocol.
You say you've never had a need for it... It's pretty handy to be able to define your own names and to rename things that you want to rename. try it.
ckedge could, IYO, use some growing up? why? I thought it was a well written piece. disagreeing with you doesn't make them un-insightful, but it makes them immature?
The Mac lost because it was introduced significantly after the PC and so had smaller market share, and couldn't gain share because it was expensive, proprietary (Compaq came not long after). Being small and not very exandable, it couldn't even attract the high end either. In the area that it was truly way ahead, graphic design and desktop publishing, it did quite well.
Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't making the point you thought, but you told me stuff I didn't know, so I came out a winner. The point I was trying to make was that if you consider the content of any typical linux distro disc, the software came from many places micro-managed many different ways. Taken as a whole, the wad is a completely decentralized unmanaged tangle that works as perfectly together as any software does.
My take on it is: ESR had a valid point. However he doesn't understand how cathedrals were made, or what a bazaar actually is, and so he chose the wrong metaphor. I'm tempted to assign this to religious prejudice, but it's probably just ignorance.
yes! That paper was making its point so poorly I couldn't keep reading it. Religious prejudice? How about "ordinance toting, gun stroking, anarcho-somethism" :)
Hyperbole? I guess you've never browsed ZDNet's user comments? And ZDNet's is moderated, we only get to see what they pick... I wonder what it's like raw!
He quotes ESR as saying "the development of the Linux operating system by a loose confederation of thousands of programmers -- without central project management or control" to hint/point out that the statement is misleading. But, ESR meant to say something more like GNU/Linux, or even GNU/BSD/Linux/X/and_then_some which was a collection of many disparate projects. Not that the whole thing managed itself anyway: Unix has been around and honed for a long time, so there was a central architecture that was being worked toward.