The site is a collection of links to other web sites with free SSH programs. So what, the next time I want a free SSH program, I won't go there?
If we are to assume Mr. Bertrand's letter is accurate (I analyze it in a previous post) and openssh.org is evil, shouldn't we register freeopenssh.org and provide truely free links to programs involving ssh that do not charge a fee thereby undercutting their target audience?
Well sir, please do not visit my domain. It contains even less than this openssh.org, but I wish to keep it for myself. Domain desputes should go to who likes your web page more anyhow.
Well, this is a refreshing way to look at the Free Software community. Get that knee-jerk reaction we are so known for, and put it to your use. Now, I'd like to look at Mr. Bertrand's letter.
The name was taken by a someone not affiliated with the OpenSSH development team when news of OpenSSH was first leaked to the community.
Hmm, "when news of OpenSSH was first leaked." Let's look at those seven words, shall we? When was this news leaked?
Performing a search on this here web site (Slashdot for those not in the know) for "openssh" yieds two results. This very article, and one from November 18, 1999, entitled, "OpenSSH Project Now at openssh.com."
Next I moved to LinuxTod ay.com. They have articles for everything under the sun. Their first article mentioning OpenSSH is one at Security Portal dated October 27, 1999.
I search Google (both plain Google and the Linux subsearch), and they have never heard of openssh.
Finally, I visted the very site for this project, openssh.com. Looking for an "about this project" sort of link, I clicked on the Project Goals link right up at the top of the left column of links. What's that it says at the very bottom? "OpenBSD: goals.html,v 1.4 1999/11/17 14:14:15 provos Exp $" That looks much like a cvs (or related) entry. That date is November 11, 1999. I also visited the link to the devel mail list archives, and the earliest date there is November 16, 1999.
Looking at all these, I'd guess their formal announcement was around November 17. But the "leak" award goes to Security Portal on October 27, 1999. I'm sure they got their information from somewhere else, but I'm tired of searching.:) Back on track, when did openssh.org register it's domain? Whois gives me the date of November 4, 1999. I count eight days from that "leak." That's not an extremely brief time, but it is before their formal announcement.
Back to the letter, Mr. Bertrand says, "The OpenSSH developers wanted to register under the.ORG top level domain,[...] but the name had already been taken. They settled for the.COM in the interim."
Ok. Well that sure sounds unfortunate. Let's take a look at when they registered openssh.com, shall we? Returning to my favorite domain searching services, whois, it yields October 25, 1999, as the date the record was created. What's this, I see? That looks a lot like a date before the openssh.org was registered. It's even two days before the slight mention by Security Portal. So, they "settled" on the COM top level domain ten days before the ORG one was "taken by a someone not affiliated with the OpenSSH development team." Uh huh, sure thing buddy.
Next Mr. Burtrand discusses the owner of openssh.org, "Mr. de Joode has repeatedly refused requests to sell or turn the.ORG name over to the OpenSSH developers.
Since when must anyone turn over a domain to anyone who asks for it? In my book, domain names are a first-come, first-served service. The OpenSSH group had plenty of time to register any domains they wanted. What if the real SSH group wants the openssh.com domain? Would you, Mr. Bertrand, be so giving and just surrender it?
Now comes the discussion of openssh.org's web site, "The OpenSSH.ORG web site currently is a blank page with a link to the official site."
Ok, this is somewhat true. Going to openssh.org, you are presented with a link to www.openssh.org. But Mr. Bertrand, did you really stop reading there and not see a few blank lines below (9 lines if you telnetted to port 80)? From openssh.org's page I quote, "For information about OpenBSD' OpenSSH implementation please goto..." and they link to the OpenSSH group's web site, openssh.com. This ommission is purely ridiculous, Mr. Bertrand.
Finally, Mr. Bertrand pushes one of the hottest buttons in the community, privacy. "This is more than just a request to boycott: there could be privacy issues, possibly data mining or building a mailing list of security conscious users. We simply don't know Mr. de Joode's motives, and we recommend caution." Hmm, a very strong accusation. None of us like being spammed, tracked where we go, etc. So, I asked myself, "What data mining is openssh.org doing?"
Let's take a gander at the HTML source code. This site is afterally a mere two pages. There could be some JavaScript performing some hidden actions users won't see when just using Netscape (or other JavaScript enabled browsers). And there it is, plain HTML. What?! No fancy, shmancy Netscape Composer, FrontPage or other editor META tags? No META tags at all to con search engines to pointing to them instead of openssh.com. I find it refreshing that someone else codes HTML in plain, simple HTML. But I see nothing hidden here.
Ok, but I have my Netscape set to just accept all cookies. I could have been slipped one of those and now they have access to my whole hard drive, right (I'm kidding, of course)? Let's give the Netscape cookies file a good grepping, shall we?
Hmm, exactly zero references to anything SSH related. I still haven't found any maliciousness. What about the "building a mailing list" bit? I've seen many sites with "Click here to receive our free newsletter" sort of links. No doubt many of them then give out your email address to every spammer in the universe. Is there any similar line in these web pages? Not that I can see, the bottom of the second page does contain a simple "For more information about freessh.org, please contact:" mailto link. I haven't sent an email to that address yet, so I can't say if it's a secret email net. But since I'm sending this analysis to Mr. Bertrand, I'll send one to that address as well with a brand new email address. If I get spammed there, I'll know who's to blame. If openssh.org really is using this link to catch people for a spam list, I must sahe's doing a poor job of it. At least claim you can get free porn if you send an email.;)
In closing, as Mr. Bertrand says "Any help or suggestions in breaking the deadlock are appreciated.", so I say, Mr. Bertrand, I sincerely hope you recosider your position, because well, it has no leg to stand on. A) You registered the.COM ten days prior to Mr. de Joode registered the.ORG one. That is a right-out lie, never a good thing to have right out the starting gate. I will ask, how do you base your allegation of data mining and mail list gathering? If it is also a lie, that's doubly bad. B) Openssh.org is not using the domain for squatting (there isn't a "Pay $10,000US if you want this domain" message like we've all seen so many times). It is about free SSH programs, perfectly reasonable and on target. C) Mr. de Joode provides links on both of it's web pages to openssh.com. Any users looking for it will easily see that and go to the appropriate web site.
If a reasonable agreement between these two parties is made, that's great, but to seek out the outrage of the free software communities by deceiving them like this is not the way to go about it. I sincerely hope you reconsider your position Mr. Bertrand.
Thank you. John Corey
Copies sent to both Mr. Bertrand and Mr. de Joode.
It's useful to tell the server what hostname you wanted when doing this, especially since everyone uses virtual domains nowadays.:)
123-1 Mon/11:08pm ~> telnet openssh.org 80 Trying 192.87.30.19... Connected to 192.87.30.19. Escape character is '^]'. GET / HTTP/1.0 Host: openssh.org
It seems odd that he wouldn't sell the domain name if he really supports cryptography
This line got me thinking. Could it be the OpenSSH folks just don't want to have to BUY the domain from them? Are they looking for a free ride by seeking the knee-jerk Slashdot crowd to flood them with "You homo, give up your domain" emails? The OpenSSH group did register.com and.net via Network Solutions. Perhaps they are just flat broke now.:) (a pun against NSI's prices, not their state of finance)
Two: Why won't this guy just let them use the domain name? He's not using it for anything.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who's position is it to decide what a site contains? As a new domain holder, I take great offense to this. If he were just begging $10,000US for the domain, it had just porn banners, I could see a case being made. But he isn't doing these. He is providing a list of free SSH programs. People here bitch about government "intruding" on the Internet with taxes, filters and the like. I will have much more fear if these decisions are made by bands of hooligans who are just unhappy. The OpenSSH group had a good ten days to register the.org (see whois listings for both), they didn't. They only registered openssh.com. Now is not the time to come back whining because they failed to do it.
Odd.and the page is simply a link. Looks like this guy registered the domain name for the project. We need some more information on what this guy is doing before an honest opinion could be made.
And what's stopping you from doing the research to learn what "this guy" is doing with the domain? This intro page points out right up front, "For information about OpenBSD' OpenSSH implementation please goto: http://www.openssh.com." If you're looking for the OpenSSH project, go there. This is perfectly legitimate use of a domain. If you are brave enough and actually click on the link to his www.openssh.org, you will learn his true evil cause. *GASP* A list of links to free SSH programs. Ohmigod, the horror!
I even like the use of HTML on this page. No Frontpage/Netscape crap in meta tags. Most likely hand coded. Let's hope he used vi to create it.;)
Has anyone besides me done a whois on the two domains? There was one bit in there that confuses me.
openssh.com: "Record created: 1999-10-25 08:44:41 MET by CORE-80" openssh.org: "Record created on 04-Nov-1999."
So, I'm no domain expert, only have one myself. But I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that the OpenSSH group registered the.com a good 10 days before this fellow registered the same.org. Was this a clerical error? Did some secretary fall on the job and not register both? Were walnuts involved in this incident?
This does sound like whining, and though it's nice to see a project like this hq'ed here in the Peoria, IL area, I will have to give my vote to the.org in this matter. They are giving links to free ssh products, even if it is a simple site with no graphics/javascript/bannerads/porn/buy-this-domain -for-$10,000US ad. Domains are a game of first come, first served. They had a ten day lead and fell asleep. That isn't reason enough to come whining to this fine community.
I came across some old PC magazines at a library a year or two ago. It was cute to see 1988/89 Gateway ads with 486 SX/25s and DX/33s for $4000. Ah, the memories...
I think we can learn from our friends at the X Files on this one. Create a gaming universe with AI bots. Then code all the females you need. With some luck, they will jump computers, learn new tricks on their own, and you could have a whole lab of a mix of The Sims, Quake, and The Matrix. Well, it'll be fun until someone shuts the computer off. Perhaps a minor in Backupology would go well with this.
Oh, and Nintendo already did this back 10 years ago up there in Canada with courses in SNESology including storytelling.
Not just that, but you know that smell that comes before a good rainstorm? That, my friend, is ozone. The government is letting millions of people breathe that stuff every day. With Spring coming upon us soon, I am fearing every second that goes by. Dear God let's hope someone takes action against this stuff.
Boy lemme tell ya, if anyone is gonna spend the $1200 (or whatever) for a 1000 Mhz chip, and doesn't overclock it, they are downright fools. I mean, how can you look at yourself in your monitor's reflection every day with a measly 1000 Mhz machine? Sure you compile kernels in 5 seconds, but look at the guy down the road. He's running his at 1700 Mhz right now, pulling in about 738 fps in . Yeah, that's right, you non-overclockin weirdo, you.
Ladies and gentlemen. Do not let this scenario happen to you. The next time you remortgage your home to buy a CPU, remember, overclock that puppy to heck. Thank you.
This has been a paid advertisement from the Go Ahead and Fry that CPU Foundation.
It's about time. I have succommed to the horrors of bad HTML a few times in my life. Last week's episode was espescially rivetting, "When Animated GIFs Attack."
MS only talked about this while mentioning "servers." Perhaps it is some add-on just meant for the file server. I know at the last place I worked, the admins were constantly fighting with various departments for having many, many copies of documents and such on their network drives. One user would create a howto document in their directory, say \accounting\joe\howto_balance_company_checkbook. Another user in Accounting would then copy that directory to his own directory to further add/edit/etc. Multiply this by many people and a 10mb document (filled with huge screenshots and the like) started eating up 100+ MB. In this situation, I can see an automatic cleanup and linking service (and unlinking on new writes) quite useful. Lord knows the users refuse to clean up after themselves.
With Quicken2000 at least, they don't like QIF files with "00" for the year, as my bank does. I just had to filter it through sed to turn that into 2000 to get it to import it. And yes, I've got all the updates.
Do either the binary or sourced drivers do the encryption stuff I see on the Gold card? I've been looking at these cards for a while now, but I can wait a few weeks if they'll lower the prices.:)
Oh yeah, there isn't enough closed applications out there already. We need more, lots more. I think you've changed me. Anything that promotes this damned "Free Software" idea is bunk! We need the freedom to not share with the community, to build upon all these years of source code without giving a damned thing back! This is the only true way now. Damn the QPL! Damn the GPL! Long live the new General Private License, "You have no right to do anything with this software. Do not touch it. Do not do nothing to it. If you are found to violate any terms of this license, you will be required to not release any source code. Good day, sir."
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The site is a collection of links to other web sites with free SSH programs. So what, the next time I want a free SSH program, I won't go there?
If we are to assume Mr. Bertrand's letter is accurate (I analyze it in a previous post) and openssh.org is evil, shouldn't we register freeopenssh.org and provide truely free links to programs involving ssh that do not charge a fee thereby undercutting their target audience?
Well sir, please do not visit my domain. It contains even less than this openssh.org, but I wish to keep it for myself. Domain desputes should go to who likes your web page more anyhow.
Well, this is a refreshing way to look at the Free Software community. Get that knee-jerk reaction we are so known for, and put it to your use. Now, I'd like to look at Mr. Bertrand's letter.
:) Back on track, when did openssh.org register it's domain? Whois gives me the date of November 4, 1999. I count eight days from that "leak." That's not an extremely brief time, but it is before their formal announcement.
.ORG top level domain,[...] but the name had already been taken. They settled for the .COM in the interim."
.ORG name over to the OpenSSH developers.
.netscape/cookies
;)
.COM ten days prior to Mr. de Joode registered the .ORG one. That is a right-out lie, never a good thing to have right out the starting gate. I will ask, how do you base your allegation of data mining and mail list gathering? If it is also a lie, that's doubly bad. B) Openssh.org is not using the domain for squatting (there isn't a "Pay $10,000US if you want this domain" message like we've all seen so many times). It is about free SSH programs, perfectly reasonable and on target. C) Mr. de Joode provides links on both of it's web pages to openssh.com. Any users looking for it will easily see that and go to the appropriate web site.
The name was taken by a someone not affiliated with the OpenSSH development team when news of OpenSSH was first leaked to the community.
Hmm, "when news of OpenSSH was first leaked." Let's look at those seven words, shall we? When was this news leaked?
Performing a search on this here web site (Slashdot for those not in the know) for "openssh" yieds two results. This very article, and one from November 18, 1999, entitled, "OpenSSH Project Now at openssh.com."
Next I moved to LinuxTod ay.com. They have articles for everything under the sun. Their first article mentioning OpenSSH is one at Security Portal dated October 27, 1999.
I search Google (both plain Google and the Linux subsearch), and they have never heard of openssh.
Finally, I visted the very site for this project, openssh.com. Looking for an "about this project" sort of link, I clicked on the Project Goals link right up at the top of the left column of links. What's that it says at the very bottom? "OpenBSD: goals.html,v 1.4 1999/11/17 14:14:15 provos Exp $" That looks much like a cvs (or related) entry. That date is November 11, 1999. I also visited the link to the devel mail list archives, and the earliest date there is November 16, 1999.
Looking at all these, I'd guess their formal announcement was around November 17. But the "leak" award goes to Security Portal on October 27, 1999. I'm sure they got their information from somewhere else, but I'm tired of searching.
Back to the letter, Mr. Bertrand says, "The OpenSSH developers wanted to register under the
Ok. Well that sure sounds unfortunate. Let's take a look at when they registered openssh.com, shall we? Returning to my favorite domain searching services, whois, it yields October 25, 1999, as the date the record was created. What's this, I see? That looks a lot like a date before the openssh.org was registered. It's even two days before the slight mention by Security Portal. So, they "settled" on the COM top level domain ten days before the ORG one was "taken by a someone not affiliated with the OpenSSH development team." Uh huh, sure thing buddy.
Next Mr. Burtrand discusses the owner of openssh.org, "Mr. de Joode has repeatedly refused requests to sell or turn the
Since when must anyone turn over a domain to anyone who asks for it? In my book, domain names are a first-come, first-served service. The OpenSSH group had plenty of time to register any domains they wanted. What if the real SSH group wants the openssh.com domain? Would you, Mr. Bertrand, be so giving and just surrender it?
Now comes the discussion of openssh.org's web site, "The OpenSSH.ORG web site currently is a blank page with a link to the official site."
Ok, this is somewhat true. Going to openssh.org, you are presented with a link to www.openssh.org. But Mr. Bertrand, did you really stop reading there and not see a few blank lines below (9 lines if you telnetted to port 80)? From openssh.org's page I quote, "For information about OpenBSD' OpenSSH implementation please goto..." and they link to the OpenSSH group's web site, openssh.com. This ommission is purely ridiculous, Mr. Bertrand.
Finally, Mr. Bertrand pushes one of the hottest buttons in the community, privacy. "This is more than just a request to boycott: there could be privacy issues, possibly data mining or building a mailing list of security conscious users. We simply don't know Mr. de Joode's motives, and we recommend caution." Hmm, a very strong accusation. None of us like being spammed, tracked where we go, etc. So, I asked myself, "What data mining is openssh.org doing?"
Let's take a gander at the HTML source code. This site is afterally a mere two pages. There could be some JavaScript performing some hidden actions users won't see when just using Netscape (or other JavaScript enabled browsers). And there it is, plain HTML. What?! No fancy, shmancy Netscape Composer, FrontPage or other editor META tags? No META tags at all to con search engines to pointing to them instead of openssh.com. I find it refreshing that someone else codes HTML in plain, simple HTML. But I see nothing hidden here.
Ok, but I have my Netscape set to just accept all cookies. I could have been slipped one of those and now they have access to my whole hard drive, right (I'm kidding, of course)? Let's give the Netscape cookies file a good grepping, shall we?
316-1 Mon/11:55pm ~> grep -i ssh
317-1 Mon/11:56pm ~>
Hmm, exactly zero references to anything SSH related. I still haven't found any maliciousness. What about the "building a mailing list" bit? I've seen many sites with "Click here to receive our free newsletter" sort of links. No doubt many of them then give out your email address to every spammer in the universe. Is there any similar line in these web pages? Not that I can see, the bottom of the second page does contain a simple "For more information about freessh.org, please contact:" mailto link. I haven't sent an email to that address yet, so I can't say if it's a secret email net. But since I'm sending this analysis to Mr. Bertrand, I'll send one to that address as well with a brand new email address. If I get spammed there, I'll know who's to blame. If openssh.org really is using this link to catch people for a spam list, I must sahe's doing a poor job of it. At least claim you can get free porn if you send an email.
In closing, as Mr. Bertrand says "Any help or suggestions in breaking the deadlock are appreciated.", so I say, Mr. Bertrand, I sincerely hope you recosider your position, because well, it has no leg to stand on. A) You registered the
If a reasonable agreement between these two parties is made, that's great, but to seek out the outrage of the free software communities by deceiving them like this is not the way to go about it. I sincerely hope you reconsider your position Mr. Bertrand.
Thank you.
John Corey
Copies sent to both Mr. Bertrand and Mr. de Joode.
It's useful to tell the server what hostname you wanted when doing this, especially since everyone uses virtual domains nowadays. :)
123-1 Mon/11:08pm ~> telnet openssh.org 80
Trying 192.87.30.19...
Connected to 192.87.30.19.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET / HTTP/1.0
Host: openssh.org
Give it a couple returns and there you go.
It seems odd that he wouldn't sell the domain name if he really supports cryptography
.com and .net via Network Solutions. Perhaps they are just flat broke now. :) (a pun against NSI's prices, not their state of finance)
This line got me thinking. Could it be the OpenSSH folks just don't want to have to BUY the domain from them? Are they looking for a free ride by seeking the knee-jerk Slashdot crowd to flood them with "You homo, give up your domain" emails? The OpenSSH group did register
Two: Why won't this guy just let them use the domain name? He's not using it for anything.
.org (see whois listings for both), they didn't. They only registered openssh.com. Now is not the time to come back whining because they failed to do it.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who's position is it to decide what a site contains? As a new domain holder, I take great offense to this. If he were just begging $10,000US for the domain, it had just porn banners, I could see a case being made. But he isn't doing these. He is providing a list of free SSH programs. People here bitch about government "intruding" on the Internet with taxes, filters and the like. I will have much more fear if these decisions are made by bands of hooligans who are just unhappy. The OpenSSH group had a good ten days to register the
Odd.and the page is simply a link. Looks like this guy registered the domain name for the project. We need some more information on what this guy is doing before an honest opinion could be made.
;)
And what's stopping you from doing the research to learn what "this guy" is doing with the domain? This intro page points out right up front, "For information about OpenBSD' OpenSSH implementation please goto: http://www.openssh.com." If you're looking for the OpenSSH project, go there. This is perfectly legitimate use of a domain. If you are brave enough and actually click on the link to his www.openssh.org, you will learn his true evil cause. *GASP* A list of links to free SSH programs. Ohmigod, the horror!
I even like the use of HTML on this page. No Frontpage/Netscape crap in meta tags. Most likely hand coded. Let's hope he used vi to create it.
Has anyone besides me done a whois on the two domains? There was one bit in there that confuses me.
.com a good 10 days before this fellow registered the same .org. Was this a clerical error? Did some secretary fall on the job and not register both? Were walnuts involved in this incident?
.org in this matter. They are giving links to free ssh products, even if it is a simple site with no graphics/javascript/bannerads/porn/buy-this-domain -for-$10,000US ad. Domains are a game of first come, first served. They had a ten day lead and fell asleep. That isn't reason enough to come whining to this fine community.
openssh.com: "Record created: 1999-10-25 08:44:41 MET by CORE-80"
openssh.org: "Record created on 04-Nov-1999."
So, I'm no domain expert, only have one myself. But I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that the OpenSSH group registered the
This does sound like whining, and though it's nice to see a project like this hq'ed here in the Peoria, IL area, I will have to give my vote to the
Most importantly, when will these come out in Dual/Quad configurations? Anyone who only uses one phone at a time is borderline Amish if you ask me.
I came across some old PC magazines at a library a year or two ago. It was cute to see 1988/89 Gateway ads with 486 SX/25s and DX/33s for $4000. Ah, the memories...
What ever happened with LinuxOne? The last I read their IPO was due on January 31. What it postponed, and perhaps why?
I think we can learn from our friends at the X Files on this one. Create a gaming universe with AI bots. Then code all the females you need. With some luck, they will jump computers, learn new tricks on their own, and you could have a whole lab of a mix of The Sims, Quake, and The Matrix. Well, it'll be fun until someone shuts the computer off. Perhaps a minor in Backupology would go well with this.
Oh, and Nintendo already did this back 10 years ago up there in Canada with courses in SNESology including storytelling.
Come now, it's a decent joke for geeks. Let the commie environmentalist liberals fall for it if they don't understand it. ;)
Not just that, but you know that smell that comes before a good rainstorm? That, my friend, is ozone. The government is letting millions of people breathe that stuff every day. With Spring coming upon us soon, I am fearing every second that goes by. Dear God let's hope someone takes action against this stuff.
The food one was very nice. You mustn't let these slip ups happen again. Get yourself a Tivo. That takes care of everything.
Wow, such an enlightening site. This stuff really needs to be reigned in quickly. People are dieing because if our lack of action.
Their studies were very nice as well. The remind me of the UCB bit where they got signatures to stop Women's Suffrage.
Boy lemme tell ya, if anyone is gonna spend the $1200 (or whatever) for a 1000 Mhz chip, and doesn't overclock it, they are downright fools. I mean, how can you look at yourself in your monitor's reflection every day with a measly 1000 Mhz machine? Sure you compile kernels in 5 seconds, but look at the guy down the road. He's running his at 1700 Mhz right now, pulling in about 738 fps in . Yeah, that's right, you non-overclockin weirdo, you.
Ladies and gentlemen. Do not let this scenario happen to you. The next time you remortgage your home to buy a CPU, remember, overclock that puppy to heck. Thank you.
This has been a paid advertisement from the Go Ahead and Fry that CPU Foundation.
next week is "When Good HTML Goes Bad.... THREE!
It's about time. I have succommed to the horrors of bad HTML a few times in my life. Last week's episode was espescially rivetting, "When Animated GIFs Attack."
MS only talked about this while mentioning "servers." Perhaps it is some add-on just meant for the file server. I know at the last place I worked, the admins were constantly fighting with various departments for having many, many copies of documents and such on their network drives. One user would create a howto document in their directory, say \accounting\joe\howto_balance_company_checkbook. Another user in Accounting would then copy that directory to his own directory to further add/edit/etc. Multiply this by many people and a 10mb document (filled with huge screenshots and the like) started eating up 100+ MB. In this situation, I can see an automatic cleanup and linking service (and unlinking on new writes) quite useful. Lord knows the users refuse to clean up after themselves.
With Quicken2000 at least, they don't like QIF files with "00" for the year, as my bank does. I just had to filter it through sed to turn that into 2000 to get it to import it. And yes, I've got all the updates.
And how's that different from the $180 Gold Wavelan card that does encryption? This doesn't seem like that much of a savings. ;)
Do either the binary or sourced drivers do the encryption stuff I see on the Gold card? I've been looking at these cards for a while now, but I can wait a few weeks if they'll lower the prices. :)
Oh yeah, there isn't enough closed applications out there already. We need more, lots more. I think you've changed me. Anything that promotes this damned "Free Software" idea is bunk! We need the freedom to not share with the community, to build upon all these years of source code without giving a damned thing back! This is the only true way now. Damn the QPL! Damn the GPL! Long live the new General Private License, "You have no right to do anything with this software. Do not touch it. Do not do nothing to it. If you are found to violate any terms of this license, you will be required to not release any source code. Good day, sir."
USSR or China [...], as far as I know you haven't fought a war with either of them
Except for the fifty years of cold war, including the space race. In the end, USSR was done in by a movie actor and a pope, go figure.
It's been an old trick to change the sid= to be any sort of forum you want.