This brings on the specter of legal action by Attachmate. While there has always been the thought that Mono could be sued by Microsoft, such as lawsuit would require Microsoft convincing a court that it was “just kidding” and the CLR/C# patent covenants are non-binding. Between their obligations to the ECMA standards body and the legal principal of equitable estoppel, the chance of this happening is slim to none.
Attachmate is a completely different story. Even if they aren’t supporting it, they do own a product that is in direct competition with Xamarin’s future offerings. Without some sort of legal arrangement between Attachmate and Xamarin, the latter would face the daunting prospect of proving that their new development doesn’t use any the technology that the old one did.
As a result of this, as well as the general uncertainty of any new product, some developers on the mono-android mailing list are stating that they are moving back to Java development for now.
Source: http://www.infoq.com/news/2011/05/Mono-II
Everything you see there except for the C# language and a few other bits, are all *at risk*. Things like ADO.NET (used by every persistence layer such as NHibernate, Entity Framework, Linq to SQL, etc), ASP.NET, Winforms, Silverlight, Parallel frameworks, Code Contracts, WCF, WF, etc. etc. Even WPF if they ever decide to clone it.
If Microsoft is so pro open source why don't they open up the rest of the stack (for instance WPF)?
No, it will be less than current *platforms* (as Mono is not a language) and the reason for this is because Microsoft can wipe the floor with it at any point it feels like.
Uhm no they're not doing "Just Fine" just like Microsoft is not doing Just Fine holding a much larger percentage, because the flood gates have opened. Actually it is very surprising how Apple managed to lose so much of its market share, when indeed it pioneered the *adoption* (as opposed to the inception of the table market, which is how fans would have you believe).
These are clearly scare tactics to try to curb the adoption of the platform. But will they succeed? Judging from how these types of things pan out with open source projects the answer is no, because there is little profit to be made. I say it is already too late to try and stop Android now.
I really do want an Android phone. It just isn't as functional yet. Another year or two of maturity and I think I'll finally get to switch.
You really think anyone here gives a flying fuck? Sorry to use this language but it getting irritating having to read stupid comments like parent, as if the commenter's opinion matter so damn much! Get a grip you self important armchair philosophers...
This way they have at least some chance of someone technically competent at Google solving the issue for them.
They only reason why this is the case now is because Google is trying to flog all their cloud infrastructure and technologies and this makes them technologies look very bad.
I didn't realize the difference. This tells me that all the Dead Space, Aliens and other horrific stuff I've played/watched will not come in handy if I'm ever going to be tortured in a Clockwork Orange kind of way.
+1 And I'm going to probably do so for the next 3-5 years, until tablets actually become useful instead of an expensive toy that is less usable than a net-book.
First of all, the link you provided leads to an opinion article. 'Nuff said.
Even if Microsoft bought some rights from Novell via the Attachmate deal, the current stack is *not* Microsoft tech. The Accenture/MS solution (TradElec) was binned as it was problematic, it crashed for a whole day and it never reached its performance targets (using Server 2003 and SQL 2000). The CEO who had brought it in was apparently fired.
The CEO who brought in the TradElec joint Accenture / Microsoft solution has been fired. As for the TradElec platform itself, it was binned. The main rival of TradElec was selected. I'd call this a major SNAFU. Where are the self-indulgent comments from MCSEs that 'choosing Microsoft never got anyone fired' now?
Now this is a game changer. If the PlayBook has all the enterprise-y features it claims, nice hardware as specified AND supports most of the Android Marketplace apps, I think I wouldn't want any other tablet device but that.
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This brings on the specter of legal action by Attachmate. While there has always been the thought that Mono could be sued by Microsoft, such as lawsuit would require Microsoft convincing a court that it was “just kidding” and the CLR/C# patent covenants are non-binding. Between their obligations to the ECMA standards body and the legal principal of equitable estoppel, the chance of this happening is slim to none. Attachmate is a completely different story. Even if they aren’t supporting it, they do own a product that is in direct competition with Xamarin’s future offerings. Without some sort of legal arrangement between Attachmate and Xamarin, the latter would face the daunting prospect of proving that their new development doesn’t use any the technology that the old one did. As a result of this, as well as the general uncertainty of any new product, some developers on the mono-android mailing list are stating that they are moving back to Java development for now. Source: http://www.infoq.com/news/2011/05/Mono-II
Just one word: VFAT
Everything you see there except for the C# language and a few other bits, are all *at risk*. Things like ADO.NET (used by every persistence layer such as NHibernate, Entity Framework, Linq to SQL, etc), ASP.NET, Winforms, Silverlight, Parallel frameworks, Code Contracts, WCF, WF, etc. etc. Even WPF if they ever decide to clone it.
If Microsoft is so pro open source why don't they open up the rest of the stack (for instance WPF)?
Somebody likes his Tolkien... :)
It's great, but there aren't that many to begin with, so I hope this atleast breaks even. I like plurality in my programming life!
Truth hurts?
Uhm, it does, but Mono uses AOT (Ahead of Time), which is different. Wikipedia is your friend.
No, it will be less than current *platforms* (as Mono is not a language) and the reason for this is because Microsoft can wipe the floor with it at any point it feels like.
+1 Stopped the time keeping operations is more appropriate that saying stopped time...
When you have no facts, all you have is beliefs.
Uhm no they're not doing "Just Fine" just like Microsoft is not doing Just Fine holding a much larger percentage, because the flood gates have opened. Actually it is very surprising how Apple managed to lose so much of its market share, when indeed it pioneered the *adoption* (as opposed to the inception of the table market, which is how fans would have you believe).
These are clearly scare tactics to try to curb the adoption of the platform. But will they succeed? Judging from how these types of things pan out with open source projects the answer is no, because there is little profit to be made. I say it is already too late to try and stop Android now.
It's a fail waiting to happen.
I really do want an Android phone. It just isn't as functional yet. Another year or two of maturity and I think I'll finally get to switch.
You really think anyone here gives a flying fuck? Sorry to use this language but it getting irritating having to read stupid comments like parent, as if the commenter's opinion matter so damn much! Get a grip you self important armchair philosophers...
My g/f needs a new laptop. A month ago I suggested she got a Sony VAIO. Now I'm telling her about how good ACER can be...
No can do, it's simply too much to ask bud.
This way they have at least some chance of someone technically competent at Google solving the issue for them.
They only reason why this is the case now is because Google is trying to flog all their cloud infrastructure and technologies and this makes them technologies look very bad.
I didn't realize the difference. This tells me that all the Dead Space, Aliens and other horrific stuff I've played/watched will not come in handy if I'm ever going to be tortured in a Clockwork Orange kind of way.
+1 And I'm going to probably do so for the next 3-5 years, until tablets actually become useful instead of an expensive toy that is less usable than a net-book.
I'm not a Java guy you insensitive clod.
Joining ints is really efficient, as opposed to joining strings. Well done.
First of all, the link you provided leads to an opinion article. 'Nuff said.
Even if Microsoft bought some rights from Novell via the Attachmate deal, the current stack is *not* Microsoft tech. The Accenture/MS solution (TradElec) was binned as it was problematic, it crashed for a whole day and it never reached its performance targets (using Server 2003 and SQL 2000). The CEO who had brought it in was apparently fired.
The CEO who brought in the TradElec joint Accenture / Microsoft solution has been fired. As for the TradElec platform itself, it was binned. The main rival of TradElec was selected. I'd call this a major SNAFU. Where are the self-indulgent comments from MCSEs that 'choosing Microsoft never got anyone fired' now?
Amen brother!
Now this is a game changer. If the PlayBook has all the enterprise-y features it claims, nice hardware as specified AND supports most of the Android Marketplace apps, I think I wouldn't want any other tablet device but that.