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Mono Comes To Android
hairyfeet writes "After releasing Monotouch for iPhone which allows c# development on iOS, Novell has announced the availability of Mono for Android. Will this give us the 'one language to rule them all' that Java failed to bring, or will the bad blood between the F/OSS groups and Microsoft make this a dead end?"
Guess I won't be kissing it for a week or so.
Will this give us the 'one language to rule them all' that Java failed to bring, or will the bad blood between the F/OSS groups and Microsoft make this a dead end?
Neither. It will be exactly what it already is today, just one of many programming languages.
This is awesome. I was waiting for this a long time.
Finally I can hear good quality music with just the one earbud.
No, wait...
Reuters Minas Tirith - Mordor Inc. has announced the release of Ring of Power Open Source Version, to be released to the Free Peoples of Middle Earth. Mordor VP of Marketing, the Mouth of Sauron, has announced that the purpose of this open source version of the Ring of Power is to demonstrate Mordor's goodwill to all people.
"We're really hoping that all those Elves and Numenoreans and Halflings take our Open Source version of the Ring of Power and use it to do all kinds of nifty things." the Mouth of Sauron said. "There has been some animosity in the past between Mordor and the rest of Middle Earth, but we're pretty keen to the idea that this is the time to put it all behind us, so we're releasing, with this commitment from Sauron himself, open source Rings of Power with no future obligations to the Dark Lord, the Nazgul or anyone else in our organization."
When asked about previous attempts to take control of the other competing powers in Middle Earth (such as the infamous "One Ring to Rule Them All One Ring to Bind Them" proprietary patent-encumbered master Ring), the Mouth of Sauron dismissed it out of hand. "That was just business. But this is the dawning of a new age, and Mordor commits to not trying to seize control of the minds of any wielders of any open source Rings of Power... honest!"
(With files from Rivendell Archives)
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
The iPhone developer licence forbids scripting engines or Just-In-Time (JIT) compilers, which .NET needs to run code.
Someone had better let all of the Unity IPhone developers know that they cannot use Mono C# on the iphone as it is forbidden. Really guys all of those apps you have been selling for the last two years for the IPhone is just not possible.
Got Code?
.net's WebClient is hilarious in handling errors, I for one welcome the inability to find response text for problems on my Android phones as well as at work, since a fair amount of Android apps use the internet.
How many hundreds of dollars is this thing going to cost? Bad enough to have the $400 license for iphone monotouch...
We already can program Android in Java (and Scala) and script it in Python, Lua, BeanShell, Perl, Tcl, JavaScript and Ruby. I hadn't noticed the multitudes crying out for Mono.
-=Maggie Leber=-
Congratulations! You won a heaping cup chock full to the brim with failure and abject destitution!
.NET 2 was a competitor to Java. Since then I believe the API has gone downhill so much that it really hinders development. Who comes up with data structures that throw an exception because you asked it if something was inside and the answer was 'no'?
Like all MS software, they will blunder on thinking they still drive the entire industry, completely ignoring EVERYTHING their customers tell them and fixing only security issues. Like Windows, .NET will one day be something we look back on while shaking our heads in wonder, with the same feeling you would get watching someone dial a rotary phone.
"...or will the bad blood between the F/OSS groups and Microsoft make this a dead end?"
>>Implying that F/OSS groups are the only ones or even the majority that makes apps for android.
I hear that .Net framework is pretty good for building good games. So it will be interesting to see what comes out of this.
Then: Elections have consequences! We won, get over it!
Now: Waaah!!!
Yeah, that's exactly what they are saying in Wisconsin today. Prosser the Tosser is out the door, Scott Walker's agenda will be killed in the courts now, the unions and working people will triumph, and the recall of the Republican senators is moving ahead full steam. The next national election will be very interesting, don't you think?
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
It's really great that there's finally a tool to make life easier for all the developers building Windows Phone 7 apps in C# that want to move their code base to the Android platform!
What about that?
Goddamnit, I would have got it too if I had both hands on the keyboard.
First, this is just flamebait.
Second, the only people who want everything to be done in one language are those clueless zealots everyone finds an excuse not to hang out with after work.
Third, even if one language completely dominated the niche category of handheld consumer devices, it would mean nothing outside that niche.
Slow news day?
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...I just wanted to say..."He's one hell of a programmer..." He definitely has lots of ambition. Google should pull him into Android programming for his [incredible] talent will be a plus to Android development.
This just in: "Mono for Android includes the core Mono runtime, bindings for native Android APIs, a Visual Studio 2010 plug-in for developing and testing Android applications, and a software development kit (SDK). The enterprise edition costs $999 (£613) per developer per year, including maintenance and updates. A five-developer enterprise licence costs $3,999 per year, and a professional edition costs £399 per developer per year."
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/communication-breakdown-10000030/novell-releases-mono-for-android-toolset-10022167/?tag=mncol;txt
-=Maggie Leber=-
First, it is mono. Beside any technical argument. There are a lot of people who do not like mono, because it is an incarnation of evil (alias MS). I am not saying that it is, but many people feel that way. So this is definitely one obstacle. Second, Android and iOS are different enough to be different on the low level aka programming language level, which will result either in compatibility libraries which are wrappers and resemble at some point internal DSLs. And they result in another abstraction layer which costs memory and CPU power. When you used an iPhone 3G/3GS you already find your phone to slow. So why torture yourself with slow software. And fourth, there are other cross platform approaches which use external DSLs which do not introduce another layer of abstraction at runtime, only on built time. For example: http://code.google.com/p/applause/
nuff said
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
well, to be precise, it allows c# development _for_ iOS. you'd have to be insane to write code using your iphone
Man, I've programmed in everything on custom embedded to web apps ... and I have a confession ... I really like C#.
Of course I can nit-pick, but it is really the first language where the syntax and debugging does not hinder me.
For all those developers that really want to combine all the disadvantages of programming for Android with all the disadvantages of using a Microsoft-controlled API!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
As I understand it, here is the chief complaint that people have about Mono: Microsoft could have some sort of patents that could apply to Mono; and Microsoft could in the future use these patents to do something bad.
I have never seen any specific examples given, it's just a general "there could be some patents" argument. In fact, I believe the theory is that these could be "submarine" patents, not known now but lurking invisibly.
Here's a specific example. This is a long essay about this very issue. What is the danger if we use Mono? "[C#] was developed inside Microsoft, so it's likely they have many patents to cover different aspects of its implementation." Got that? "it's likely" Microsoft has "many patents". Citation needed.
This is the 21st Century, and patents are not only public, there are patent search engines. Where are the specific examples?
The situation is even crazier due to the passage of time. Microsoft introduced .NET in the year 2000. It is now the year 2011. Patents in the USA today have a term of 20 years. Presumably these submarine patents were not filed the same year as .NET was introduced; that would be far too obvious... they were probably filed a year or two ahead of time. So presumably these patents have a maximum life of under 9 years, and probably under 7 years.
In the past 11 or 12 years, nobody has noticed these deadly patents, lurking. But wait: these could be true "submarine" patents, where the patent was filed but not granted yet, and Microsoft is using sleazy tricks to extend the filing period and delay granting the patents. This implies that the patent must have been filed before 1995, when the US patent system was changed (patent term went from "17 years after patent granted" to "20 years after patent filed", specifically to fix the problem of submarine patents). Thus, a true "submarine" patent would have to have been kept going via sleazy tricks for over 16 years now, and nobody has noticed it yet.
So, if I understand correctly, we shouldn't use Mono because it could be a trap. Microsoft could have patents nobody has noticed for a dozen years that will expire within the next nine years that could apply to Mono. Or else they could have pending patent applications that have been pending for over 16 years without anybody noticing; those would apply for 17 years after the patent grant finally occurs in the future.
And if the above turns out to be true, and you wrote a program in C#, what would Microsoft's remedy be? Would you be forced to pay them huge sums of money? Would you be forced to give ownership of your source code to Microsoft? Not likely, and anybody who claims it is likely needs to provide legal precedents showing such a remedy in a similar case. No, the only realistic remedy would be that you would have to choose between buying some sort of licensed version of Mono (to comply with the patent licensing terms), or stop using Mono.
And the obvious exit strategy is to rewrite your C# app in Java. That would be a pain, granted, but hardly the end of the world.
And that is even assuming that Microsoft was successful in asserting these hidden patents. After offering C# up as a free standard, and not taking any action for a dozen years, to suddenly assert hidden patents would leave Microsoft wide open to the "unclean hands" legal doctrine. It's hard for me to imagine Microsoft prevailing in this.
And nobody has yet proposed a motive why Microsoft should do this. How does Microsoft gain by backstabbing the C# community? In the near term they could gain some patent licensing fees, but in the long term they would be alienating people they have been trying to woo. How likely is this, really?
So, in conclusion: because of this nebulously scary potential situation with possible unknown Microsoft patents, Mono and C# are
lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely
And here we keep telling clueless users that "it's not that kind of virus."
Let's see, Windows Phone apps are written in C#, iPhone apps are written in Objective C, and Android Apps are written in Java... so obviously using Mono on all three is going to be a big win for cross platform programming!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Penicillin for Android next?
To help with mono infections?
(Yes, I know penicillin doesn't work on real world mono. It's a joke.)
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Every time you do that god kills a kitten...
what we really want to know if what the Expensify CEO think about this. I'll wait to find out what the Oracle of Frisco decrees...
I am a programmer and I program in C# sometimes. C# like Java, VB, etc. was established with the idea of high level quick programming. A programming language that allows anyone to program. The problem with it is, that, anyone programs in it. I won't go to say that you can't program hard core staff with it...just most of its programmers don't.
.Net framework. Having that said it's not a bad framework and brings the ability to develop cross-platform in C#. However, the fact that it only includes the basics disables that "rapid programming" paradigm which exists around C# + .Net in quite a large part.
Mono, is a framework and not a programming language. And it does incorporate the basic stuff of the
Programming cross-platform has never been and never will be trivial. Java offers that capability at a high performance cost (still). Also, looking at many OSS developments in Java I tend to think that it brews bad habit. Again, that might not be Java, it may be simply poor programmers and poor architects.
If searching for that "one language to rule them all, one framework to rule them all" grail, have a look at C/C++ and the standard libraries. But don't look at that as being the fastest development path. It's simply the smallest common denominator and that poses some challenges. Programming cross-platform is definitely not an easy task and not for everyone.
Food for thought: Not all software has to be cross-platform.
I can write a .NET program on native windows and when I launch the EXE on a machine with no .NET it will simply fail with an error number. It doesn't ask you if you want to put .NET on or even explain to you that you need it to run the program, it just fails.
So... the same thing that happens whenever you launch any other program with its required libraries missing? Try copying a native VC++ program to a system that doesn't have the VC++ runtime installed. It won't spoon-feed you information about what the VC++ runtime is, why you need it, where to get it, and how to install it; it'll just give you a cryptic error.
If you want to do deployment properly, you need an installer. With Visual Studio it's dead simple to make a setup program that'll check for prerequisites like .NET and install them automatically.
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.NET is to mono as Cocoa is to GNUStep. Compatible in theory, unused in practice.
Plus it also use NDK I don't know how to program in java, and I refuse to learn java.
http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/28/necessitas/
i have to inspect the program before i download it so that i don't get patenttrap mono on my android phone
Use the HasValue property to check for null without causing an exception. Doesn't make that much sense to me, but it's not hard either.
C# and Linq To SQL is still way better than Java. I wonder if all this functionality will make it into Android...
This also is during the arrival of smell and taste addition to the iPad, as seen on TV news
Dear Microsoft,
If you were smart, you'd reinstate your Java to C# converter.
Signed,
Fed up Java dev...
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But it's not fixing the stray cat problem around my house.
Anything can be found funny, from a certain point of view.
anything novell is offering is better suited for use as an example of what *not* to use. sorry, but someone please kill mono with fire, and while your at it, drive a wooden stake through the lump under the blanket next to it - silverlight.
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Mono is not a language
Although you are technically correct that Mono is not a language, Mono IS a mechanism to use the C# language.
From there to actually develop applications for the iPhone, you make use of the Apple frameworks, which Mono has handily wrapped in C# wrappers.
So I wouldn't say it's "less" than anything, it's just basically a way to use C# for different platforms while still using the native libraries they offer.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Dance with the devil and you will pay his fee. There is no point to this. This Microsoft crap adds nothing you can't get without the taint.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
The real problem is that Mono only supports .NET 2.0.
The significant benefits available in newer released unfortunately tie .NET more and more to the Windows platform, though Mono could still incorporate a lot more than it does currently.
As a c# 4.0 Dev, but a long standing Linux advocate, I unfortunately cannot develop for Mono because it is so out dated and I have become very accustomed to utilizing all the contemporary language features such as lambdas, linq, expression trees, anonymous types, etc.
Visual Studio 2010 also provides a development experience which Mono developers can only dream of (though it is not without its problems, as with any M$ product of course)
Mono: don't you get it! Mono is something to avoid (literally) like the plague! Its got crappy mickeysoft technology (which is bad enough), but its tied in mickeysoft legalese. The GPL is good. Mickeysoft legalese is bad. They no doubt have submarine patents all over this junk. With all the bright lights over at Google, none of them clue up about the legal minefields around this. So here's the first, last and only clue from me to the mavens over at Google: Stay Away From This! Mono: Don't You Catch It! Was that so hard?
Death to curly braces and semicolons. We should just erase them from ASCII already. Disaster. Absolute worst way to organize language ever.
What does Java have that Python doesn't in two weeks?
"There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell them." ~ Louis Armstrong
.Net is not a programming language.
Common misconception.
It is a huge pile of junk m$ cobbled together to try and play catchup with everyone else and consolidate the glorious mess that was DCOM.
I don't even agree with Mono, I think its a waste of time, but then I use Wine and more and more m$ apps are written on this garbage platform.
Roll on full hardware virtualization I say.
Every time you do that god kills a kitten...
and uses the fur to wrap a pair of handcuffs so you can get off the way you should, via punishment!
You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
It this succeeds, it validates their development framework: "See, it's so good the freetards even abandon their precious GNU and Java for it." But Miguel cannot possibly keep mono current, so the thing will always be obsolete. And then whenever MS wants they can shut down not only Mono, but all the projects built with it. That's the crippling blow they are waiting for. They are already directly suing over Android and that's not even slightly derived from MS products.
There are just too many good toolchains to invest the grey matter and training time in this trap.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
What "bad blood"? There was a Mono presentation by Novell at the Microsoft TechDays 2011 in february in Paris. I was there.
Can't find an official page on the official site. But here is a link in french. http://blogs.dotnet-france.com/jeanphilippeg/post/TechDays2011-Mono-et-son-ecosysteme.aspx
Google released C and C++ tools as well.
It would be cool if Android includes Java 7 lambda so more languages could be ported. Python is not officially supported but is a hack of Jython as it runs unmodified on android. Any app would have to include it to run.
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Is the ring red?
I wont let mono anywhere near my phones and will strongly advice against it to anyone i know.
Mono is a big red flag with Microsoft infront of it just waiting to attack. Microsoft is in an all out patent war against anything related to Android and Linux.
HTTP/1.1 400
get up with blood-sucking, litigious fleas.
someNullableInt ?? 0
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Anyone have some secrets they might want to share about this ...I was thinking about getting into it, dont know if it is properly established yet as a framework...
Who comes up with data structures that throw an exception because you asked it if something was inside and the answer was 'no'?
Guido, that's who. One of the Pythonic principles is that forgiveness (try/except) is easier than permission (testing first).
To me it looks as if it would be counter-intuitive and suicidal to start going after everyone over Mono. It would kill the language everywhere, including Windows.
Would it kill the .NET languages on Xbox Live Indie Games and Windows Phone 7, which can't use anything but .NET languages?
What's the appropriate sentinel value to return from an unsuccessful data structure query?
Null pointer. In Python, some_dict.get('tires') returns None if tires don exits in the dictionary. Likewise, in PHP, @$some_array['tires'] returns null (the @ means turn warnings into null returns). For extra credit, the caller could specify the sentinel value, which Python incidentally allows as the second optional argument to dict.get(key, sentinel=None).
The Python (and .NET, if you believe the OP) approach of throwing exceptions makes a lot more sense than something like "if(value = get('foo') == 0) { printf("not found\n");}" for most situations.
Unless you're trying to write something in a functional paradigm, such as in a Python generator expression. There is no facility for try/except within Python generator expressions; instead, you have to def an inner function and catch the exception inside that. (But then the details of Python are probably off-topic here, as the cases where you'd need Mono probably involve portability to some platform without the System.Reflection.Emit that IronPython requires.)
Did I miss something or is this Mono for Android not going to be available on Linux?
Windows Phone 7 is stillborn
Even after Nokia's deal?
Porting [Xbox 360 Indie] games to a phone is still going to require a major rewrite anyways
How so? I've read reports that porting between XNA on WP7 and XNA on Xbox 360 requires 1. rewriting the input and 2. using lower detailed meshes and textures on the phone. That's it. Even in a case where you'd have to replace the entire graphics engine, such as between XNA and Mono for Android, game logic elements such as collision detection and enemy behaviors would remain unchanged across platforms that support the same programming language. See my article about multitier architecture.
See subject-line above, & these "prime examples" below via links to the originals of WHY hairyfeet shouldn't have gone to "ITT Tech", in his TECHNICAL BLUNDERS, & more (regarding HOSTS files):
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Static vs. Dynamic Adbanner addressing (lol, "according to hairyfeet"):
(Which even BestBuy Techs know!)
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35681060
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DNS Client Cache turn off for HOSTS, a TECHNICAL Blunder by Hairyfeet:
(Which even BestBuy Techs know also (just like the one above!))
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35686054
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Hairyfeet's single solutions SECURITY FAILURES? See inside:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690260
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Your sources on "security" vs. mine (actual security people) (AND myself, a source on it):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690328
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Lastly, as to your LIBEL of myself (w/ arstech):
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35668740
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The defeat of hairyfeet by APK (video analogy - hilarious, BUT, apt):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690536
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They say it all, & usually vs. hairyfeet's own words quoted! I wouldn't pay him too much heed, especially after you read the above b.s., lies, changing figures, & even LIBEL of others that hairyfeet likes to do. After all - he's from "ITT Tech" (student)...
Worst part of ALL, here?
Hairyfeet just clearly doesn't even understand how HOSTS files benefit you for:
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1.) ADDED Reliability (vs. DNS going down, or being 'poisoned', & even DNSBL (DNS Block Lists))
2.) ADDED "layered" Security online (vs. known bad sites &/or servers (botnet C&C) + maliciously scripted adbannners by BLOCKING them out)
3.) ADDED Speed (not loading adbanners, and hardcoding your fav. sites into it)
4.) Even more ADDED 'anonymity' online (vs. DNS request logs)
(Even server admins might NOT mind having the load on their DNS servers lightened up also, bonus!)
---
APK
P.S.=> Personally though - because hairyfeet is only a "techie"? I suspect he doesn't want people to know about HOSTS files' added LAYERED SECURITY benefits to the end-user: Why?? Because if users stop getting so much "malware-in-general" which layered security (and HOSTS) give you added layered protection against, he's out money...apk
See subject-line above, & these "prime examples" below via links to the originals of WHY hairyfeet shouldn't have gone to "ITT Tech", in his TECHNICAL BLUNDERS, & more (regarding HOSTS files):
---
Static vs. Dynamic Adbanner addressing (lol, "according to hairyfeet"):
(Which even BestBuy Techs know!)
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35681060
---
DNS Client Cache turn off for HOSTS, a TECHNICAL Blunder by Hairyfeet:
(Which even BestBuy Techs know also (just like the one above!))
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35686054
---
Hairyfeet's single solutions SECURITY FAILURES? See inside:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690260
---
Your sources on "security" vs. mine (actual security people) (AND myself, a source on it):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690328
---
Lastly, as to your LIBEL of myself (w/ arstech):
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35668740
---
The defeat of hairyfeet by APK (video analogy - hilarious, BUT, apt):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690536
---
They say it all, & usually vs. hairyfeet's own words quoted! I wouldn't pay him too much heed, especially after you read the above b.s., lies, changing figures, & even LIBEL of others that hairyfeet likes to do. After all - he's from "ITT Tech" (student)...
Worst part of ALL, here?
Hairyfeet just clearly doesn't even understand how HOSTS files benefit you for:
---
1.) ADDED Reliability (vs. DNS going down, or being 'poisoned', & even DNSBL (DNS Block Lists))
2.) ADDED "layered" Security online (vs. known bad sites &/or servers (botnet C&C) + maliciously scripted adbannners by BLOCKING them out)
3.) ADDED Speed (not loading adbanners, and hardcoding your fav. sites into it)
4.) Even more ADDED 'anonymity' online (vs. DNS request logs)
(Even server admins might NOT mind having the load on their DNS servers lightened up also, bonus!)
---
APK
P.S.=> Personally though - because hairyfeet is only a "techie"? I suspect he doesn't want people to know about HOSTS files' added LAYERED SECURITY benefits to the end-user: Why?? Because if users stop getting so much "malware-in-general" which layered security (and HOSTS) give you added layered protection against, he's out money...apk
Microsoft? The key to Android app portability? What the heck are you smoking?
Help stamp out iliturcy.
We won, you lost, despite your side outspending ours 4 to 1. And Prosser was a shoe in! He got 99.54% of the vote last time! You can keep on whining and spinning, I will let you keep doing that as it must provide you with some small comfort. In short, be prepared to lose your majority in the house next election, as well as most of the governor's seats you picked up. We won't let you traitors fuck up our country.
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See subject-line above, & these "prime examples" below via links to the originals of WHY hairyfeet shouldn't have gone to "ITT Tech", in his TECHNICAL BLUNDERS, & more (regarding HOSTS files):
---
Static vs. Dynamic Adbanner addressing (lol, "according to hairyfeet"):
(Which even BestBuy Techs know!)
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35681060
---
DNS Client Cache turn off for HOSTS, a TECHNICAL Blunder by Hairyfeet:
(Which even BestBuy Techs know also (just like the one above!))
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35686054
---
Hairyfeet's single solutions SECURITY FAILURES? See inside:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690260
---
Your sources on "security" vs. mine (actual security people) (AND myself, a source on it):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690328
---
Lastly, as to your LIBEL of myself (w/ arstech):
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35668740
---
The defeat of hairyfeet by APK (video analogy - hilarious, BUT, apt):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690536
---
They say it all, & usually vs. hairyfeet's own words quoted! I wouldn't pay him too much heed, especially after you read the above b.s., lies, changing figures, & even LIBEL of others that hairyfeet likes to do. After all - he's from "ITT Tech" (student)...
Worst part of ALL, here?
Hairyfeet just clearly doesn't even understand how HOSTS files benefit you for:
---
1.) ADDED Reliability (vs. DNS going down, or being 'poisoned', & even DNSBL (DNS Block Lists))
2.) ADDED "layered" Security online (vs. known bad sites &/or servers (botnet C&C) + maliciously scripted adbannners by BLOCKING them out)
3.) ADDED Speed (not loading adbanners, and hardcoding your fav. sites into it)
4.) Even more ADDED 'anonymity' online (vs. DNS request logs)
(Even server admins might NOT mind having the load on their DNS servers lightened up also, bonus!)
---
APK
P.S.=> Personally though - because hairyfeet is only a "techie"? I suspect he doesn't want people to know about HOSTS files' added LAYERED SECURITY benefits to the end-user: Why?? Because if users stop getting so much "malware-in-general" which layered security (and HOSTS) give you added layered protection against, he's out money...apk
See subject-line above, & these "prime examples" below via links to the originals of WHY hairyfeet shouldn't have gone to "ITT Tech", in his TECHNICAL BLUNDERS, & more (regarding HOSTS files):
---
Static vs. Dynamic Adbanner addressing (lol, "according to hairyfeet"):
(Which even BestBuy Techs know!)
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35681060
---
DNS Client Cache turn off for HOSTS, a TECHNICAL Blunder by Hairyfeet:
(Which even BestBuy Techs know also (just like the one above!))
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35686054
---
Hairyfeet's single solutions SECURITY FAILURES? See inside:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690260
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Your sources on "security" vs. mine (actual security people) (AND myself, a source on it):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690328
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Lastly, as to your LIBEL of myself (w/ arstech):
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2061048&cid=35668740
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The defeat of hairyfeet by APK (video analogy - hilarious, BUT, apt):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2064694&cid=35690536
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They say it all, & usually vs. hairyfeet's own words quoted! I wouldn't pay him too much heed, especially after you read the above b.s., lies, changing figures, & even LIBEL of others that hairyfeet likes to do. After all - he's from "ITT Tech" (student)...
Worst part of ALL, here?
Hairyfeet just clearly doesn't even understand how HOSTS files benefit you for:
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1.) ADDED Reliability (vs. DNS going down, or being 'poisoned', & even DNSBL (DNS Block Lists))
2.) ADDED "layered" Security online (vs. known bad sites &/or servers (botnet C&C) + maliciously scripted adbannners by BLOCKING them out)
3.) ADDED Speed (not loading adbanners, and hardcoding your fav. sites into it)
4.) Even more ADDED 'anonymity' online (vs. DNS request logs)
(Even server admins might NOT mind having the load on their DNS servers lightened up also, bonus!)
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APK
P.S.=> Personally though - because hairyfeet is only a "techie"? I suspect he doesn't want people to know about HOSTS files' added LAYERED SECURITY benefits to the end-user: Why?? Because if users stop getting so much "malware-in-general" which layered security (and HOSTS) give you added layered protection against, he's out money...apk