A little background. I'm 32, married, contemplating my own short people... having had some practice. I had a roommate for seven years who had two sons, and I helped her raise these young gentlemen (for that's what they were) for those seven years.
No, you cannot be there every second - but you CAN teach them proper respect, for themselves, for others, for dangerous tools including weapons. You can also teach them how to react when proper respect is not shown. When you do that, you don't need censorship, you don't need gun control, because you have raised a kid who is, in short, bullshit-proof.
Been there.
Done that.
But noooooooooooooo, the Nice Nellies want to take all the sharp edges off the world and put warning labels on bottles of water "warning, too much of this and you could drown".... Yes, I can see a certain standard of merchantability, but they refuse to require that one of the requirements for remaining in the gene pool is a certain amount of common horse sense. What these idiots want to do is select for their own kind - idiots.
Am I the only one that is outraged that the free exchange of ideas, the right to defend oneself, and the concept of excellence are in the current sociopolitical climate topics to be reviled and demonized at all costs? THIS is genocide... slowly and painfully.
They stick that big fat cheesy headline up there so that the CEO's scanning the news will once again say "Bah! Linux again," and skip it... with that kind of support (no doubt fueled with Redmond ad dollars) VA Research's prediction won't make it.
It really is too bad we can't hold them to British libel standards.
"... which is why we're going to take over the world." -- Linus, 4/12/1999
Obviously somebody hasn't been keeping up. Caldera just announced the new version with Lizard, which takes you straight from Windoze thru Partition Magic to a full-gui setup thingy, don't pass the command line, don't rape the sheeple for $250 payable to Bill Gates.
To counter the question of online help, well, no, help isn't clickable yet, but somebody DID bother to write "Linux for Dummies" and related treeware... and I also thing that the first outfit to come out with the Linux equivalent of SyBooks is going to make a mint. I'm not even suggesting you open source TFonlineM or otherwise give it away. Sell the CD set for $50. You'll make millions, and those of us smart enough to do without don't pay a dime.
>What would be cool would be to have a complete OS kernel in flash ROM
Huh? Been done. Not on the die yet, but on a separate chip just like a regular BIOS, only like 8mb or so instead of however-big-a-usual-bios-is these days.... saw it on a NAS disk yesterday at AIIM. Turn on the NAS disk, it cries to Mama for DHCP, if it doesn't find it, it takes 10.10.10.10, then either way point a web browser at it, configure SMB, NCP, AFS, NFS, you name it, it's got it. No, I don't remember the name of the company, but they weren't the only ones doing it. This just happened to be Linux.... and this is not the first thing I've seen with linux-on-a-chip (the first being the automated CD jukebox), nor the last... watch this space....
Lemme elaborate on that a bit. The public, indoctrinated in government-run schools, is for the most part totally clueless. Even the script kiddie AC's who compete for "FIRST POST" are (educated guess) among the top ten percent of the brains in the free world (/eg). The rest of the world believes what the news media churn at them, from the FUD from Redmond to the delay, deny, discredit of a certain other Bill, which can of worms I do not wish to open....
That and even some of the Braniacs of the world still get their news from Tom, Dan, Peter, and Uncle Ted, and while they may have lots of letters after their names, the folks that rely only on this load of fertilizer for their news have no better handle on reality than the proletariat of Brave New World.
Letting he who has the best marketing machine rule the world is a Bad Idea. This is why the world gets kicked around by the likes of Bill Gates, McDonalds, and Time Warner. This is also why Linux is important as a social movement.... it lets the little guy get away from the cathedrals I mentioned and into the bazzar where they might learn something.... and maybe change the world.
"--- which is why we're going to take over the world." -- Linus, 4/14/1999
I'll tell you why he didn't have a forum to talk back at, he's in the business of selling papers (or net hits), not open discussion. Taco is in the business of open discussion, which is why we're here and not filling his mailbox.
There's a big difference in trying to change the world and trying to make a buck.
No, I don't like the new website. Being an "any browser" kinda guy, from my point of view the main page is already busted, because it REQUIRES Shockwave before you even get in the front door. The sound is obnoxious. What's more, the feedback page is busted (at least for my version of Netscape, which does have Shockwave); I had a devil of a time telling anyone over there it was, and gave them an earful when I finally got the right form to show up.
Graphic artists should DESIGN websites, but engineers should sanity-check them on plane-Jane 14.4 links before allowing promotion to production. Shockwave is cute, but it should be verboten on the main page and optional elsewhere; you should have at least a minimally functional set of pages that makes sense in lynx(1).
I believe the Linux Router Project ( http://www.linuxrouter.org/) may be what folks are looking for here.... the idea is a mini-Debian distro-on-a-floppy. 'Tis pretty slick, what little I've played with it. Amazing what you can cram into 1.44MB. (Reminds me of the old days of the 255-byte BASIC games:):)
der rezident old fsck...
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The subscriber agreement specifically says they reserve the right to advertise their own products to you, and the right to sell your info to other advertisers is opt-out, not opt-in. Sorry, no dice.
Furthermore, I get my news from Rueters, a British news agency with British libel standards for telling the truth (i.e. it's libel if it's not the truth, regardless of circumstances). I don't let AP parrot the latest spin at me. Rueters is free on Yahoo; they don't require so much as a cookie. (Cookies are required on NYT.)
So I'll simply wait a week for my Dilbert. It's not like it's the end of the world. Besides, I'm trying to show the world how TO do engineering, not how NOT to.
Now I see why Taco put the *cough* up there... I don't consider a site "open" if you can't get to first base without coughing up a steenking *cookie*... no thankee. This privacy nut will do his surfing elsewhere. Even msn.com isn't THAT bad.
Why does Bill Gates have a multi-billion dollar stock portfolio? Same reason McDonalds is synonymous with hamburger, or people think Intel when you say microchip, or Kelloggs for cereal. Not because they have a better product (none of them do, IMHO). Marketing.
Linux has begun this process. We've just had a big trade show in San Jose. There'll be another one in Raliegh in May (can you say, Red Hat?). I'm not so sure the commercialization of Linux is so bad... we're beginning to show up on people's radarscopes. Exposure of the product is what it's all about.
Sure, we're not in it for the same reason Borgie Boy up in Redmond is. But the way to dispel all this MS-FUD is to get the truth out there where it can be seen. And if it takes cozying up to somebody and convincing them to sink some ad bucks into the project, as long as one's general principles aren't violated, then go for it. Word of mouth will get you the little guys. And there are a lot of little guys out there. But to really go after the 800 pound gorilla, you need somebody to fund your safari and get you some weapons.
This guy isn't saying anything I hadn't heard ten years ago in my 1000-level philosophy courses. It's the same old Kant and Khun stuff we did before we were even script kiddies (before there was such a term as script kiddies) with a few microchips scattered around for visual effect.
Ho-hum. Ditch this guy, Taco, and keep Katz. At least he was interesting enough to start a good flame war.
Cliff Stoll wrote a book by that name a while ago... basically bemoaning the fact that the Net had taken over his life, and that it wasn't all it's cracked up to be.
The truth is somewhere between Stoll and Katz.
The problem is there's a fine line between using the net as a tool for expanding your horizons and using it to escape reality. Jon seems to be treading the hairy edge, where Cliff found himself way over the line and scrambled back over the precipice, as it were...
I've been on the Net in some form since '86, and I've seen a lot of stuff. I've flown 2500 miles just to meet folk face to face, and discovered folk right under my nose, including my lady wife. But I haven't forgotten what camping and hugs and just getting out of the house are like. I keep up with my brother in law on the net... the same one who taught me the simple peace of fishing last summer. The point is here there's a balance between hours spent on the keyboard, and hours with *somebody*. The suits haven't figured out how to do the former, and the supergeeks are missing out on the latter.
May I respectfully remind the community that it is the Libertarian Party, not the GOP, that is fully committed to less government and honesty therein. Of late we have seen the GOP present a sham trial of a known rapist and traitor, allow the lie that is the current "budget surplus" to go unchallenged, and generally sit idly by and allow government of the people to crumble.
Something all you netheads haven't figured out yet is that there IS universal net access.... in a place you haven't been in years, your local library. Granted, some of them run NetNanny, but you can still get NewsMax and such like....
You don't even have to have a library card. Just walk up to one and start surfing.
Funny I should read this on Sunday morning about the time when normal people are settling down for their weekly harangue about how we're all going to hell in a handbasket.
ESR took the movement to the level of sociology. This pegs it as something even bigger. And I think he's right. The hacker culture has a bigger sense of right and wrong than Joe Random Nonuser. It's not morals, it's ethics. It totally ignores all the dusty old books and figures out for itself (here's the Kantian Imperative again (you can't get out of your head to check something objectively)) the best course of action, ignoring things like laws and social taboos and concentrating on the real outcome. And in so doing, we give the Big Finger to the Cathedral folks, and we've scared the bejeezus out of them. This is Bigger Than The Both Of Us, folks.... we ARE history, in the raw. Make it count.
There are no dress rehearsals. We ARE professionals, and this IS the Big Time.
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Yeah, really, especially advice like that.
Aforementioned parent gave up.
A little background. I'm 32, married, contemplating my own short people... having had some practice. I had a roommate for seven years who had two sons, and I helped her raise these young gentlemen (for that's what they were) for those seven years.
No, you cannot be there every second - but you CAN teach them proper respect, for themselves, for others, for dangerous tools including weapons. You can also teach them how to react when proper respect is not shown. When you do that, you don't need censorship, you don't need gun control, because you have raised a kid who is, in short, bullshit-proof.
Been there.
Done that.
But noooooooooooooo, the Nice Nellies want to take all the sharp edges off the world and put warning labels on bottles of water "warning, too much of this and you could drown".... Yes, I can see a certain standard of merchantability, but they refuse to require that one of the requirements for remaining in the gene pool is a certain amount of common horse sense. What these idiots want to do is select for their own kind - idiots.
Am I the only one that is outraged that the free exchange of ideas, the right to defend oneself, and the concept of excellence are in the current sociopolitical climate topics to be reviled and demonized at all costs? THIS is genocide... slowly and painfully.
It means us, too. -- epilogue, Brave New World
They stick that big fat cheesy headline up there so that the CEO's scanning the news will once again say "Bah! Linux again," and skip it... with that kind of support (no doubt fueled with Redmond ad dollars) VA Research's prediction won't make it.
It really is too bad we can't hold them to British libel standards.
"... which is why we're going to take over the world." -- Linus, 4/12/1999
Obviously somebody hasn't been keeping up. Caldera just announced the new version with Lizard, which takes you straight from Windoze thru Partition Magic to a full-gui setup thingy, don't pass the command line, don't rape the sheeple for $250 payable to Bill Gates.
To counter the question of online help, well, no, help isn't clickable yet, but somebody DID bother to write "Linux for Dummies" and related treeware... and I also thing that the first outfit to come out with the Linux equivalent of SyBooks is going to make a mint. I'm not even suggesting you open source TFonlineM or otherwise give it away. Sell the CD set for $50. You'll make millions, and those of us smart enough to do without don't pay a dime.
'scoo? 'scoo.
>What would be cool would be to have a complete OS kernel in flash ROM
Huh? Been done. Not on the die yet, but on a separate chip just like a regular BIOS, only like 8mb or so instead of however-big-a-usual-bios-is these days.... saw it on a NAS disk yesterday at AIIM. Turn on the NAS disk, it cries to Mama for DHCP, if it doesn't find it, it takes 10.10.10.10, then either way point a web browser at it, configure SMB, NCP, AFS, NFS, you name it, it's got it. No, I don't remember the name of the company, but they weren't the only ones doing it. This just happened to be Linux.... and this is not the first thing I've seen with linux-on-a-chip (the first being the automated CD jukebox), nor the last... watch this space....
Lemme elaborate on that a bit. The public, indoctrinated in government-run schools, is for the most part totally clueless. Even the script kiddie AC's who compete for "FIRST POST" are (educated guess) among the top ten percent of the brains in the free world (/eg). The rest of the world believes what the news media churn at them, from the FUD from Redmond to the delay, deny, discredit of a certain other Bill, which can of worms I do not wish to open....
That and even some of the Braniacs of the world still get their news from Tom, Dan, Peter, and Uncle Ted, and while they may have lots of letters after their names, the folks that rely only on this load of fertilizer for their news have no better handle on reality than the proletariat of Brave New World.
Letting he who has the best marketing machine rule the world is a Bad Idea. This is why the world gets kicked around by the likes of Bill Gates, McDonalds, and Time Warner. This is also why Linux is important as a social movement.... it lets the little guy get away from the cathedrals I mentioned and into the bazzar where they might learn something.... and maybe change the world.
"--- which is why we're going to take over the world." -- Linus, 4/14/1999
The time lost every time they had to reboot NT.
'nuff said.
I'll tell you why he didn't have a forum to talk back at, he's in the business of selling papers (or net hits), not open discussion. Taco is in the business of open discussion, which is why we're here and not filling his mailbox.
There's a big difference in trying to change the world and trying to make a buck.
No, I don't like the new website. Being an "any browser" kinda guy, from my point of view the main page is already busted, because it REQUIRES Shockwave before you even get in the front door. The sound is obnoxious. What's more, the feedback page is busted (at least for my version of Netscape, which does have Shockwave); I had a devil of a time telling anyone over there it was, and gave them an earful when I finally got the right form to show up.
Graphic artists should DESIGN websites, but engineers should sanity-check them on plane-Jane 14.4 links before allowing promotion to production. Shockwave is cute, but it should be verboten on the main page and optional elsewhere; you should have at least a minimally functional set of pages that makes sense in lynx(1).
RIP SGI, indeed. To shreds.
I believe the Linux Router Project ( http://www.linuxrouter.org/) may be what folks are looking for here.... the idea is a mini-Debian distro-on-a-floppy. 'Tis pretty slick, what little I've played with it. Amazing what you can cram into 1.44MB. (Reminds me of the old days of the 255-byte BASIC games :) :)
der rezident old fsck...
The subscriber agreement specifically says they reserve the right to advertise their own products to you, and the right to sell your info to other advertisers is opt-out, not opt-in. Sorry, no dice.
Furthermore, I get my news from Rueters, a British news agency with British libel standards for telling the truth (i.e. it's libel if it's not the truth, regardless of circumstances). I don't let AP parrot the latest spin at me. Rueters is free on Yahoo; they don't require so much as a cookie. (Cookies are required on NYT.)
So I'll simply wait a week for my Dilbert. It's not like it's the end of the world. Besides, I'm trying to show the world how TO do engineering, not how NOT to.
--
Linux - the choice of a GNU generation
Now I see why Taco put the *cough* up there... I don't consider a site "open" if you can't get to first base without coughing up a steenking *cookie*... no thankee. This privacy nut will do his surfing elsewhere. Even msn.com isn't THAT bad.
Why does Bill Gates have a multi-billion dollar
stock portfolio? Same reason McDonalds is synonymous with hamburger, or people think Intel
when you say microchip, or Kelloggs for cereal. Not because they have a better product (none of them do, IMHO). Marketing.
Linux has begun this process. We've just had a big trade show in San Jose. There'll be another one in Raliegh in May (can you say, Red Hat?). I'm not so sure the commercialization of Linux is so bad... we're beginning to show up on people's radarscopes. Exposure of the product is what it's all about.
Sure, we're not in it for the same reason Borgie Boy up in Redmond is. But the way to dispel all this MS-FUD is to get the truth out there where it can be seen. And if it takes cozying up to somebody and convincing them to sink some ad bucks into the project, as long as one's general principles aren't violated, then go for it. Word of mouth will get you the little guys. And there are a lot of little guys out there. But to really go after the 800 pound gorilla, you need somebody to fund your safari and get you some weapons.
This guy isn't saying anything I hadn't heard ten years ago in my 1000-level philosophy courses. It's the same old Kant and Khun stuff we did before we were even script kiddies (before there was such a term as script kiddies) with a few microchips scattered around for visual effect.
Ho-hum. Ditch this guy, Taco, and keep Katz. At least he was interesting enough to start a good flame war.
Cliff Stoll wrote a book by that name a while ago... basically bemoaning the fact that the Net had taken over his life, and that it wasn't all it's cracked up to be.
The truth is somewhere between Stoll and Katz.
The problem is there's a fine line between using the net as a tool for expanding your horizons and using it to escape reality. Jon seems to be treading the hairy edge, where Cliff found himself way over the line and scrambled back over the precipice, as it were...
I've been on the Net in some form since '86, and I've seen a lot of stuff. I've flown 2500 miles just to meet folk face to face, and discovered folk right under my nose, including my lady wife. But I haven't forgotten what camping and hugs and just getting out of the house are like. I keep up with my brother in law on the net... the same one who taught me the simple peace of fishing last summer. The point is here there's a balance between hours spent on the keyboard, and hours with *somebody*. The suits haven't figured out how to do the former, and the supergeeks are missing out on the latter.
Ah, well, c'est la guerre...
May I respectfully remind the community that it is the Libertarian Party, not the GOP, that is fully committed to less government and honesty therein. Of late we have seen the GOP present a sham trial of a known rapist and traitor, allow the lie that is the current "budget surplus" to go unchallenged, and generally sit idly by and allow government of the people to crumble.
Makes Nero look like George Washington.
And it makes me sick.
For more info, go peek at the Libertarian Party website. You might learn something.
"We cannot legislate against every stupid thing people will do."
-- Jesse "The Mind" Ventura, Governor of Minnesota
Something all you netheads haven't figured out yet is that there IS universal net access.... in a place you haven't been in years, your local library. Granted, some of them run NetNanny, but you can still get NewsMax and such like....
You don't even have to have a library card. Just walk up to one and start surfing.
So there.
Funny I should read this on Sunday morning about the time when normal people are settling down for their weekly harangue about how we're all going to hell in a handbasket.
ESR took the movement to the level of sociology. This pegs it as something even bigger. And I think he's right. The hacker culture has a bigger sense of right and wrong than Joe Random Nonuser. It's not morals, it's ethics. It totally ignores all the dusty old books and figures out for itself (here's the Kantian Imperative again (you can't get out of your head to check something objectively)) the best course of action, ignoring things like laws and social taboos and concentrating on the real outcome. And in so doing, we give the Big Finger to the Cathedral folks, and we've scared the bejeezus out of them. This is Bigger Than The Both Of Us, folks.... we ARE history, in the raw. Make it count.
There are no dress rehearsals.
We ARE professionals, and
this IS the Big Time.