Please explain how that is going to ruin anyone's productivity
many reasons, and i'm sure you will have a "but" for every one of them, except that most normal productive desktop users aren't aware of the "buts" so they aren't really relevent.
first and foremost, there is no start button... that will leave many users stumped... which will mean millions of cumulated wasted hours around the world with people merely figuring out how to open up the program they are supposed to be productive with
any changes to a once familiar system requires time to learn... which in terms of productivity is time lost
"snappier" is just marketing bullshit for "we can't say its faster because that would be misrepresentation because we can't actually prove it, so we'll just use something that sounds similar but that we can't get into legal hot water over"
i've read about it on wikipedia and seen some screen dumps. it has some bastardised version of vbscript (except it uses.NET). even the shills on wikipedia don't have that much to say about it
it has some complexities that *nix doesn't but that is because of the overcomplexity of the windows environment (ie: instead of simple settings files with ini extension, now they have simple settings files with ini extensions AND the windows registry), and windows/powershell needs things like COM because most windows apps are monolithic native guis that you can't do much with from a basic cli, whereas linux apps are mostly a collection of little cli apps/libs with added gui layers.
not that i'm saying powershell is bad... its definitely a step in the right direction for windows. powershell would be awesome if the underlying frameworks in windows were a bit simpler and consistent. *nix cli scripting is pretty simple because of the unix philosophy that also underpins linux [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy]
remember all the 16-bit apps that don't run on win7?
many win7 installs are 32-bit, so how long till 64-bit is "required"?
microsoft targets consumer dollars... at the moment consumers are app crazy, but microsoft has already missed the boat... won't be long till the next new thing comes along which will represent something new that microsoft will miss too. microsoft isn't a trend setter; they merely use their 20 year old monopolisation of the PC OEM market to mop up the slops from the market creators.
its funny that you qualified your statement about 'real' applications with "for some time".
Linux ALWAYS takes tweeking to get working 100%, regardless of how standardized your components are
...only because you have one hand stuck to your cock
...for the rest of us, there are rarely problems with hardware in linux (certainly less than for windows... i can't remember ever having to download drivers or use cd's to get a linux device working)
it used to be that you sometimes had to look up a command on linuxforums, but not for a long time
I am not chattin, texting, and facebooking all day. I write books, whole 110,000 word books, and sometimes, I actually have more than open at once! I edit large photoshops documents, once again, more than one open at once.
why don't you buy a typewriter? better, yet... buy 2... then you can really multitask!
i remember when they had a similar feature in ms-dos... you type the command and *shabang!!!* it happens as if by magic:)
pure genius... microsoft developers definitely aren't getting paid enough
you've obviously forgotten about when no new programs would install unless you had windows xp service pack 2 or greater... do you really think you'll have 5 years before the same happens for win7?
actually i didn't say that very well... what i means is that microsoft has ways of making you upgrade
you've obviously forgotten about when no new programs would install unless you had windows xp service pack 2 or greater... do you really think you'll have 5 years before the same happens for win7?
+1 mod parent up
also, w3c validation is important, and developing for ie6 is just stupid
html5 will become more and more popular (and i validate html5 which forces me to migrate more to css)
if a customer is using an old browser, there is a good chance they'll have trouble even getting to your site because even google probably doesn't work that well with it (and google has all sorts of other validation problems too). much of the web would now break under ie6, not from any fault of the web but simply because ie6 is broken
all you need is HTML 4.01 transitional, javascript, css and your favourite scripting language (php/perl,etc - python is an ass of a language so don't use it:)
...and any modern web browser (there are heaps, and they are all freely available for respective platforms)
why the hell would the linux community want an influx of whining ex-winbags?
"why isn't linux more like windows?"
"i can't find the start menu?"
"why would i type "apt-get wireless-tools" when i can rummage through a draw/box to find an old scratched cd, put it into the drive, wait for the autorun, click about 20 times till the setup program finishes and goes away, and then reboot my computer?"
"why isn't linux more like windows?"
powershell is just clambering (poorly) for some *nix shell cred
windows server is still windows... ie... it has windows, and windows (dialog hell) is what makes windows suck so much on a server. you should be able to manage a server from a simple command line and make scripts to automate things
good to know. i've never actually used cent myself. i started with debian, still use it, and haven't yet come across any reason to change (and debian being the grand daddy of other popular distros like ubuntu and mint is a good sign)
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Please explain how that is going to ruin anyone's productivity
many reasons, and i'm sure you will have a "but" for every one of them, except that most normal productive desktop users aren't aware of the "buts" so they aren't really relevent.
first and foremost, there is no start button... that will leave many users stumped... which will mean millions of cumulated wasted hours around the world with people merely figuring out how to open up the program they are supposed to be productive with
any changes to a once familiar system requires time to learn... which in terms of productivity is time lost
"snappier" is just marketing bullshit for "we can't say its faster because that would be misrepresentation because we can't actually prove it, so we'll just use something that sounds similar but that we can't get into legal hot water over"
i've read about it on wikipedia and seen some screen dumps. it has some bastardised version of vbscript (except it uses .NET). even the shills on wikipedia don't have that much to say about it
it has some complexities that *nix doesn't but that is because of the overcomplexity of the windows environment (ie: instead of simple settings files with ini extension, now they have simple settings files with ini extensions AND the windows registry), and windows/powershell needs things like COM because most windows apps are monolithic native guis that you can't do much with from a basic cli, whereas linux apps are mostly a collection of little cli apps/libs with added gui layers.
not that i'm saying powershell is bad... its definitely a step in the right direction for windows. powershell would be awesome if the underlying frameworks in windows were a bit simpler and consistent. *nix cli scripting is pretty simple because of the unix philosophy that also underpins linux [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy]
remember all the 16-bit apps that don't run on win7?
many win7 installs are 32-bit, so how long till 64-bit is "required"?
microsoft targets consumer dollars... at the moment consumers are app crazy, but microsoft has already missed the boat... won't be long till the next new thing comes along which will represent something new that microsoft will miss too. microsoft isn't a trend setter; they merely use their 20 year old monopolisation of the PC OEM market to mop up the slops from the market creators.
its funny that you qualified your statement about 'real' applications with "for some time".
Linux ALWAYS takes tweeking to get working 100%, regardless of how standardized your components are
it used to be that you sometimes had to look up a command on linuxforums, but not for a long time
dork
lame
...was the cause of it all
actually his mother cut his balls off at birth
I am not chattin, texting, and facebooking all day. I write books, whole 110,000 word books, and sometimes, I actually have more than open at once! I edit large photoshops documents, once again, more than one open at once.
why don't you buy a typewriter? better, yet... buy 2... then you can really multitask!
resistance is futile
i remember when they had a similar feature in ms-dos... you type the command and *shabang!!!* it happens as if by magic :)
pure genius... microsoft developers definitely aren't getting paid enough
you've obviously forgotten about when no new programs would install unless you had windows xp service pack 2 or greater... do you really think you'll have 5 years before the same happens for win7?
actually i didn't say that very well... what i means is that microsoft has ways of making you upgrade
you've obviously forgotten about when no new programs would install unless you had windows xp service pack 2 or greater... do you really think you'll have 5 years before the same happens for win7?
Windows 8 is the way it is because Microsoft is preparing their OS for the touchscreen usage on every device long before any Linux distro is.
yeah you tell em tiger... just make sure not to mention android, android-x86, arch (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchscreen), etc.
oh, and ajax/json/etc are for morons
+1 mod parent up
:)
...and any modern web browser (there are heaps, and they are all freely available for respective platforms)
also, w3c validation is important, and developing for ie6 is just stupid
html5 will become more and more popular (and i validate html5 which forces me to migrate more to css)
if a customer is using an old browser, there is a good chance they'll have trouble even getting to your site because even google probably doesn't work that well with it (and google has all sorts of other validation problems too). much of the web would now break under ie6, not from any fault of the web but simply because ie6 is broken
all you need is HTML 4.01 transitional, javascript, css and your favourite scripting language (php/perl,etc - python is an ass of a language so don't use it
woops... i mean "apt-get install wireless-tools" of course
dammit...
why isn't linux more like windows?
why the hell would the linux community want an influx of whining ex-winbags?
"why isn't linux more like windows?"
"i can't find the start menu?"
"why would i type "apt-get wireless-tools" when i can rummage through a draw/box to find an old scratched cd, put it into the drive, wait for the autorun, click about 20 times till the setup program finishes and goes away, and then reboot my computer?"
"why isn't linux more like windows?"
what is this "microsoft" that everyone keeps blathering on about?
:)
*goes back to bash prompt* - cos he really hates prompt
so windows server is becoming more like linux... go figure
bash,ssh,nfs,samba,etc
powershell is just clambering (poorly) for some *nix shell cred
windows server is still windows... ie... it has windows, and windows (dialog hell) is what makes windows suck so much on a server. you should be able to manage a server from a simple command line and make scripts to automate things
telnet
why don't you just hand over your car keys to the nearest group of thugs while you're at it
if you honestly think win8 is essentially the same and faster than win7 in the sense that productivity is increased you are truly a moron
there will always be bash
byo (build your own) + debian = save a crapload of money... works for me :)
good to know. i've never actually used cent myself. i started with debian, still use it, and haven't yet come across any reason to change (and debian being the grand daddy of other popular distros like ubuntu and mint is a good sign)