You're so silly. Linux is not competitive on the desktop. I wish it was. IF they hadn't chosen the windows UI they might be... but its not like Apple has much to feel threatened of from linux.
Microsoft has linux and Mac taking market share away from it... Linux isn't taking marketshare away from Apple (though OS X has won a lot of converts among the elite of the unix hacker circles.)
Not only are you not a Mac game developer, you're not that familiar with the industry.
The installed base of PowerPC macs is huge, not huge compared to windows, but huge compared to Linux. Furthermore, linux games just don't sell well.
While interest in linux games may be growing rapidly, that bodes well for Mac games-- meaning you can do a windows version and a Unix version that runs on Linux and Mac.
They aren't going to kill Mac support after it goes to the x86 and choose Linux instead-- that's silly.
Especially since once they've ported it to Mac OS X, they get PowerPC support for free or very cheap.
You have that exactly backwards. Even in the mid 90s, most games were written in C. Now they are going more object oriented, and further from assembly.
Sure, some routines might be done in assembly, but generally its the API that is important in porting.
My experience as a game developer doing ports to Mac OS from Windows was that it really wasn't that hard-- but then I was working with developers who kept the need for multiple platforms in mind when they wrote their original code.
I don't think there really is a price premium on Macintoshes... but now we'll be able to see for sure.
I bet Apple products will be about the same prices as Dell, yet deliver more features and a lot more innovation.
Look at what happened when Aopen tried to make an x86 mac-mini competitor-- it was $100 more, without the OS, making it really $200 more expensive than the mini.
But I agree-- developing on the Mac platform is the best its ever been... the OS X API is complete (Though I'd have liked EnterpriseObjects back) and frozen in panther (interesting that they did that, and made a big deal out of it, cause it means they planned to move to Intel 2 years ago.)
Its a great time to write apps for the Mac as the Mac becomes less of an isolated fringe platform and more of a mainstream alternative to windows.
What makes the Mac OS what it is is the platform, and all the technologies involved with it. These are not going away.
Macs are %90 PCs anyway, they use products from Intel, AMD and other chip venders and they use the industry standard architecture of PCI. They just use a different CPU.
I think this move is being made to make the Mac platform more viable and vibrant, not less.
Though I don't quite see the path yet either... the platform is still wonderful, and Cocoa is still the best development environment ever.
Christians, Muslims, Republicans and Democrats are all labels for movements that have a generally evil agenda.... namely tyranny, oppression and socialism.
Show me someone who thinks the initiation of force is immoral, and I will say "long live..." about them.
But all these groups want to use violence to force people to give to "charity", follow a particular religion, even fund wars between these groups.
And that is immoral.
Unfortunately, most posters to slashdot, I think, are socialists who think capitalism is evil, and so I generally get modded down a lot.
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Godwins law? I'm amazed you deny the holocaust. Its well documented. But you must because you believe that it never happened and thus any reference to it is a reference to fiction.
But the fact is it did happen, and there are reasons it happened, and as they say "those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it".
Godwins law was meant for people who had no argument and were just calling people names. But it is invoked by those who have no counter argument-- ironically-- to call those who do names.
Not true. I listened to him read much of his ruling, and he found, as findings of fact, that ballots were added, and many other discrepencies.
He didn't call them fraud because he wasn't ruling on the intent of them--- but when more ballots are cast than there are registered voters, that's pretty clearly proof of fraud.
Well, it depends on if that investor thinks Apple is a hardware company or a software company. I'm pretty sure they make more on an upgrade of OS X than they do on selling the machine to the person in the first place.
So, if they upgrade OS X once or twice in those three years that the person owns the Mac, they probably double or triple the profit they make from that customer, as compared to just the margin on the original hardware.
But you're probably right- most people think of Apple as a hardware company, Apple seems to as well.
Yeah, I think they vote republican too. But that's the national level where we have a mass murderer in office who's flagrantly violating the constitution.
On the local level, its not clear that they voted for Rossi.
For sure all those fabricated ballots in king county were for gregoire, so that goes to show you that democrats can be just as criminal as republicans.
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That's a good point-- both Repbulcians and Democrats have shown themselves to be irresponsible with money, and the only real difference is how they choose to damage the economy to do it.
That's why you should vote for another party! Oh, wait, it seems the republicans and democrats have made running a third party campaing effectively illegal with their "Election reform" laws.
No big surprise there.
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Yes, Bush has fraudulently won two elections while Gregoire has fraudulently won one election.
"Democracy" is a joke, at least in this country.
Why isn't Bush working to bring democracy here? Oh, that's right, if we could oust him by simple vote we would, and did.
But Bush knows well the maxim attributed to Stalin: It doesn't matter who they vote for, it matters who counts the votes.
I love it when christians think that all muslims are terrorists, and have a monopoly on it.
Christians were the inventors of the "convert or die" message. And that's what the war on "terror" is.
IF you religious types want to battle it out-- why don't you go fight each otehr and leave us sane people out of it-- and that means, you don't get to waste any of our money on it either.
Notice the USA USA aspect of the republican administration-- that's nationalism. Notice the massive spending and massive increase in regulation of the private sector? That's socialism.
No, they had to rely on stats because the Judge told them that was the only way they could try to make their case.
Since the ballots are secret, they can't tie the ballots to the voters. So they can't say definitively whether the manufactured and illegal votes were for gregoire or rossi.
But a little thinking will make it obvious-- in fact, the judge in his summary talked about incidence of fraud (my word) covering what I think was as many as 10,000 ballots.
Its clear from this trial that wholesale fraud occured.
The problem is, that they can't prove that the fraud was for gregoire, even though it was obvious: Every time they recounted, the king county election workers "Found" a bunch of new gregoire ballots. Often many hundreds of them at a time.
This is a stolen election. Its a small picture of the election stealing that went on nationwide to get bush into office. (Does anyone really believe that all the counties in florida voted the exact opposite of their party affiliciations? EG: %70 democratic counties went exactly %70 republican, while %70 republican counties also went %70 republican?)
Election fraud is part of the strategy. IT is flagrant, it is proven many times, and it is ignored by the mainstream media. Since both parties engage in it, neither party wants to do anything about it.
And this means our democractic "checks and balances" is no longer effective (if it ever was.)
I think the really radical prediction is that about the time the US is imposing this level of control, China will be busy *disassembling* it.
China's in a weird state right now, embracing capitalism on one hand, but still trying to stifle free-expression.
The US is clearly working against capitalism and free expression-- but has a lot further to go.
When china decides that its capitalist economy requires free expression, it will have another "cultural revolution" and within 5 years or so, China will be a freer country than the US.
Of course, even then Americans will be complaining about the "Communist" chinese while working for our nationalised industries....
People sometimes wonder how the regular germans could let an evil dictator come to power. Lucas has shown us the process in his movies, and you can see it in action here in the US where are political choices are between national socialists like the republicans and communalist socialists like the democrats.
Either way, freedom and capitalism lose.
And if Germany wasn't proof that democracy is no check against fascism, the US will be another proof of it. (Look how easily the republicans perverted the last election and manipulated the results-- with no outcry.)
Don't be silly. Those who use Macs are constantly reminded about how crappy things are on PCs, and generally quite grateful to have purchased Macs.
Sure, Apple's not perfect, but a day doesn't go by that you don't see some friend with PC problems, or a virus, or just general incompatibility.
And have you ever gone to your typical PC retailer and gotten a question answered?
I haven't. PC sales guys make used car sales guys look knowledgable about the product. The Apple store employees are sometimes not up to date, but there's always someone there who can answer your question.
With Apple its a question of whether the first apple store employee can answer it or if they have to get someone else.
With PC sales dudes, its rare that anyone can ever answer any of my questions. (And the pathetic thing is usually I'm asking whether something actually supports the protocol it claims.) Nobody in the store has a clue...
And the really pathetic thing about it is, these ignorant PC sales droids don't even seem to feel guilty about having no clue how to answer the question... even basic ones, like "Is this PCI or PCI-express?"
The grass is a LOT greener on the Apple side.
I'm not sure what Intel adds to the equation... physics seems to be owrking against them and for the PowerPC, but I'll reserve judgement until I see some actual hardware.
For what its worth, Apple's marketshare-- their proportion of the installed base is %16. This has only recently been measured.
People say Apple has %5 market share, but they are only looking at new sales, and oftend double count windows machines, and ignore the fact that Macs last a lot longer than PCs in use.
Ah, gotta love those PC weenies... its amazing how ignorant you guys always seem to be about basic technology.
Or is it because you're a journalist? Its not very clear.
Why is it journalists are so incompetant about what they write about? They always get it wrong, at least every time they talk about something I know enough about to verify.
Anyway, you wouldn't know how to measure CPU performance in the first place, so shut your pie hole about it.
Oh, and kill yourself. Do the world a favor... journalists are right up there with lawyers and used car salesman-- alkies with no ethics.
I love it. It seems every time rumor mongers throw out a silly rumor about Apple, and then it doesn't happen, the excuse is that Steve Jobs threw a hissy fit.
Have you ever seen Jobs throw a hissy fit? Certainly nobody's managed to catch one on camera.
Apple could be talking to Intel about a wide variety of things.... but that never stops you guys from making this claim every 2 years or so that Apple is going to switch.
Why would Apple want to pay MORE MONEY and have MORE HEAT ISSUES to deal with in its processors?
If you really were at Computex, maybe you saw the AOpen Mac Mini "competitor" that was bigger, and costs $200 more than the Mac Mini when you include OS.... IF PCs are so cheap, why couldn't they compete on price with the mini?
Sure, if you know about the suit, you can opt out. But most people involved in class actions don't even know they've been declared part of the class.
They never hear about it, and their option to opt out expires after 30, 60 or 90 days or whatever.
I once got a notification that said I could opt out by showing myself in front of the judge and declaring myself to not be part of the class... course I got this notification 2 weeks after the date by which I would have had to opt out.
The "opt out" option is irrelevant-- I should not have to take action to protect my rights-- thats what rights are.
I support Venture Capitalists but I oppose class action lawsuits.
This isn't directly on your point- but the reason is that class action lawsuits claim to represent people as a class- eg: "All people who bought 1G iPods" not people as a GROUP eg: "All people who are a party to lthe lawsuit".
Which means that if they win this class action lawsuit, then they limit my right to compensation as a member of that class, EVEN IF I AM NOT A PARTY TO THE SUIT. That's a violation of my rights. I have not waived my rights to sue Apple over this same issue explicityl, and part of the reasn the Lawyers get so much is that the suit removes my right to sue seperately over this issue.
Yeah, thugs armed with machine guns taking down a bunch of 12-18 year old kids and some silly 20 year olds sure makes me feel great about the patriot act.
The reality is that most of the people they arrested did not commit crimes and weren't even capable of committing crimes-- they were just kids who wanted to be hackers who read these forums.
There may have been a thief or two there, but they were not significant criminals.
Its all propaganda, and the blatant spin put on the article from businessweek is funny... "Because some members were known to have firearms". Hmmmm...well we should arrest all teh cops too because not only do they have firearms, many of them have machine guns!
Government extends its power by making everyone subject to laws-- it doesn't matter whether a moral crime has been committed or not, the more they make the populace criminals the more they can use violence to control the populace without a revolt. That's all this is.
IF someone leaves tehir computer unprotected, and some kid logs into it and looks around and copies some pictures-- that kid has not committed a crime, but he has broken a law. The law is immoral, and thus criminal... but when they justify busting these kids for this stuff, they make it just that much easier to bust anyone who uses encrpytion or who uses spoofing services for anonymity, etc.
Accepting this immoral harassment makes it easier for them to add more immoral harassment-- such as an iron curtain of firewalls to keep track of every packet, and filter out "bad" websites, etc.
They already have the former, with carnivore which watches every email sent on every ISP... the latter is only a matter of time.
ITs time to throw out EVERY politican that supported the PATRIOT act-- whether democrat or republican, they have all shown themselves to be criminals who deserve prison sentences, not political careers. (IF you broke into someones house and got caught, you belong in jail-- if you make a law that legalizes the same kinds of rights violations, then the same punishment should apply.)
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You're so silly. Linux is not competitive on the desktop. I wish it was. IF they hadn't chosen the windows UI they might be... but its not like Apple has much to feel threatened of from linux.
Microsoft has linux and Mac taking market share away from it... Linux isn't taking marketshare away from Apple (though OS X has won a lot of converts among the elite of the unix hacker circles.)
Not only are you not a Mac game developer, you're not that familiar with the industry.
The installed base of PowerPC macs is huge, not huge compared to windows, but huge compared to Linux. Furthermore, linux games just don't sell well.
While interest in linux games may be growing rapidly, that bodes well for Mac games-- meaning you can do a windows version and a Unix version that runs on Linux and Mac.
They aren't going to kill Mac support after it goes to the x86 and choose Linux instead-- that's silly.
Especially since once they've ported it to Mac OS X, they get PowerPC support for free or very cheap.
You have that exactly backwards. Even in the mid 90s, most games were written in C. Now they are going more object oriented, and further from assembly.
Sure, some routines might be done in assembly, but generally its the API that is important in porting.
My experience as a game developer doing ports to Mac OS from Windows was that it really wasn't that hard-- but then I was working with developers who kept the need for multiple platforms in mind when they wrote their original code.
Uh, that's the point. Current macs just use a different CPU, they are almost identical as it is.
I don't think there really is a price premium on Macintoshes... but now we'll be able to see for sure.
I bet Apple products will be about the same prices as Dell, yet deliver more features and a lot more innovation.
Look at what happened when Aopen tried to make an x86 mac-mini competitor-- it was $100 more, without the OS, making it really $200 more expensive than the mini.
But I agree-- developing on the Mac platform is the best its ever been... the OS X API is complete (Though I'd have liked EnterpriseObjects back) and frozen in panther (interesting that they did that, and made a big deal out of it, cause it means they planned to move to Intel 2 years ago.)
Its a great time to write apps for the Mac as the Mac becomes less of an isolated fringe platform and more of a mainstream alternative to windows.
What makes the Mac OS what it is is the platform, and all the technologies involved with it. These are not going away.
Macs are %90 PCs anyway, they use products from Intel, AMD and other chip venders and they use the industry standard architecture of PCI. They just use a different CPU.
I think this move is being made to make the Mac platform more viable and vibrant, not less.
Though I don't quite see the path yet either... the platform is still wonderful, and Cocoa is still the best development environment ever.
PS Am I really first post? Weird.
What, by the way, would you suggest I do about it besides complain? Change who I vote for?
Do you see the irony in voting to try and change the fact that the voting system is rigged?
By definition, if they are counting more ballots than there were voters, there was fraud.
Christians, Muslims, Republicans and Democrats are all labels for movements that have a generally evil agenda.... namely tyranny, oppression and socialism.
Show me someone who thinks the initiation of force is immoral, and I will say "long live..." about them.
But all these groups want to use violence to force people to give to "charity", follow a particular religion, even fund wars between these groups.
And that is immoral.
Unfortunately, most posters to slashdot, I think, are socialists who think capitalism is evil, and so I generally get modded down a lot.
Godwins law? I'm amazed you deny the holocaust. Its well documented. But you must because you believe that it never happened and thus any reference to it is a reference to fiction.
But the fact is it did happen, and there are reasons it happened, and as they say "those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it".
Godwins law was meant for people who had no argument and were just calling people names. But it is invoked by those who have no counter argument-- ironically-- to call those who do names.
Not true. I listened to him read much of his ruling, and he found, as findings of fact, that ballots were added, and many other discrepencies.
He didn't call them fraud because he wasn't ruling on the intent of them--- but when more ballots are cast than there are registered voters, that's pretty clearly proof of fraud.
Well, it depends on if that investor thinks Apple is a hardware company or a software company. I'm pretty sure they make more on an upgrade of OS X than they do on selling the machine to the person in the first place.
So, if they upgrade OS X once or twice in those three years that the person owns the Mac, they probably double or triple the profit they make from that customer, as compared to just the margin on the original hardware.
But you're probably right- most people think of Apple as a hardware company, Apple seems to as well.
Yeah, I think they vote republican too. But that's the national level where we have a mass murderer in office who's flagrantly violating the constitution.
On the local level, its not clear that they voted for Rossi.
For sure all those fabricated ballots in king county were for gregoire, so that goes to show you that democrats can be just as criminal as republicans.
That's a good point-- both Repbulcians and Democrats have shown themselves to be irresponsible with money, and the only real difference is how they choose to damage the economy to do it.
That's why you should vote for another party! Oh, wait, it seems the republicans and democrats have made running a third party campaing effectively illegal with their "Election reform" laws.
No big surprise there.
Yes, Bush has fraudulently won two elections while Gregoire has fraudulently won one election.
"Democracy" is a joke, at least in this country.
Why isn't Bush working to bring democracy here? Oh, that's right, if we could oust him by simple vote we would, and did.
But Bush knows well the maxim attributed to Stalin: It doesn't matter who they vote for, it matters who counts the votes.
I love it when christians think that all muslims are terrorists, and have a monopoly on it.
Christians were the inventors of the "convert or die" message. And that's what the war on "terror" is.
IF you religious types want to battle it out-- why don't you go fight each otehr and leave us sane people out of it-- and that means, you don't get to waste any of our money on it either.
Notice the USA USA aspect of the republican administration-- that's nationalism. Notice the massive spending and massive increase in regulation of the private sector? That's socialism.
Know what the name of nationalist socialism is?
No, they had to rely on stats because the Judge told them that was the only way they could try to make their case.
Since the ballots are secret, they can't tie the ballots to the voters. So they can't say definitively whether the manufactured and illegal votes were for gregoire or rossi.
But a little thinking will make it obvious-- in fact, the judge in his summary talked about incidence of fraud (my word) covering what I think was as many as 10,000 ballots.
Its clear from this trial that wholesale fraud occured.
The problem is, that they can't prove that the fraud was for gregoire, even though it was obvious: Every time they recounted, the king county election workers "Found" a bunch of new gregoire ballots. Often many hundreds of them at a time.
This is a stolen election. Its a small picture of the election stealing that went on nationwide to get bush into office. (Does anyone really believe that all the counties in florida voted the exact opposite of their party affiliciations? EG: %70 democratic counties went exactly %70 republican, while %70 republican counties also went %70 republican?)
Election fraud is part of the strategy. IT is flagrant, it is proven many times, and it is ignored by the mainstream media. Since both parties engage in it, neither party wants to do anything about it.
And this means our democractic "checks and balances" is no longer effective (if it ever was.)
Yeah, I don't know if it will be 20 years, or 10.
I think the really radical prediction is that about the time the US is imposing this level of control, China will be busy *disassembling* it.
China's in a weird state right now, embracing capitalism on one hand, but still trying to stifle free-expression.
The US is clearly working against capitalism and free expression-- but has a lot further to go.
When china decides that its capitalist economy requires free expression, it will have another "cultural revolution" and within 5 years or so, China will be a freer country than the US.
Of course, even then Americans will be complaining about the "Communist" chinese while working for our nationalised industries....
People sometimes wonder how the regular germans could let an evil dictator come to power. Lucas has shown us the process in his movies, and you can see it in action here in the US where are political choices are between national socialists like the republicans and communalist socialists like the democrats.
Either way, freedom and capitalism lose.
And if Germany wasn't proof that democracy is no check against fascism, the US will be another proof of it. (Look how easily the republicans perverted the last election and manipulated the results-- with no outcry.)
Don't be silly. Those who use Macs are constantly reminded about how crappy things are on PCs, and generally quite grateful to have purchased Macs.
Sure, Apple's not perfect, but a day doesn't go by that you don't see some friend with PC problems, or a virus, or just general incompatibility.
And have you ever gone to your typical PC retailer and gotten a question answered?
I haven't. PC sales guys make used car sales guys look knowledgable about the product. The Apple store employees are sometimes not up to date, but there's always someone there who can answer your question.
With Apple its a question of whether the first apple store employee can answer it or if they have to get someone else.
With PC sales dudes, its rare that anyone can ever answer any of my questions. (And the pathetic thing is usually I'm asking whether something actually supports the protocol it claims.) Nobody in the store has a clue...
And the really pathetic thing about it is, these ignorant PC sales droids don't even seem to feel guilty about having no clue how to answer the question... even basic ones, like "Is this PCI or PCI-express?"
The grass is a LOT greener on the Apple side.
I'm not sure what Intel adds to the equation... physics seems to be owrking against them and for the PowerPC, but I'll reserve judgement until I see some actual hardware.
For what its worth, Apple's marketshare-- their proportion of the installed base is %16. This has only recently been measured.
People say Apple has %5 market share, but they are only looking at new sales, and oftend double count windows machines, and ignore the fact that Macs last a lot longer than PCs in use.
The PC Weenies prefer that you don't bring up the facts.... they operate on pure dilusion and re-writing history as convenient.
Ah, gotta love those PC weenies... its amazing how ignorant you guys always seem to be about basic technology.
Or is it because you're a journalist? Its not very clear.
Why is it journalists are so incompetant about what they write about? They always get it wrong, at least every time they talk about something I know enough about to verify.
Anyway, you wouldn't know how to measure CPU performance in the first place, so shut your pie hole about it.
Oh, and kill yourself. Do the world a favor... journalists are right up there with lawyers and used car salesman-- alkies with no ethics.
I love it. It seems every time rumor mongers throw out a silly rumor about Apple, and then it doesn't happen, the excuse is that Steve Jobs threw a hissy fit.
Have you ever seen Jobs throw a hissy fit? Certainly nobody's managed to catch one on camera.
Apple could be talking to Intel about a wide variety of things.... but that never stops you guys from making this claim every 2 years or so that Apple is going to switch.
Why would Apple want to pay MORE MONEY and have MORE HEAT ISSUES to deal with in its processors?
If you really were at Computex, maybe you saw the AOpen Mac Mini "competitor" that was bigger, and costs $200 more than the Mac Mini when you include OS.... IF PCs are so cheap, why couldn't they compete on price with the mini?
Actually my statements are correct.
Sure, if you know about the suit, you can opt out. But most people involved in class actions don't even know they've been declared part of the class.
They never hear about it, and their option to opt out expires after 30, 60 or 90 days or whatever.
I once got a notification that said I could opt out by showing myself in front of the judge and declaring myself to not be part of the class... course I got this notification 2 weeks after the date by which I would have had to opt out.
The "opt out" option is irrelevant-- I should not have to take action to protect my rights-- thats what rights are.
I support Venture Capitalists but I oppose class action lawsuits.
This isn't directly on your point- but the reason is that class action lawsuits claim to represent people as a class- eg: "All people who bought 1G iPods" not people as a GROUP eg: "All people who are a party to lthe lawsuit".
Which means that if they win this class action lawsuit, then they limit my right to compensation as a member of that class, EVEN IF I AM NOT A PARTY TO THE SUIT. That's a violation of my rights. I have not waived my rights to sue Apple over this same issue explicityl, and part of the reasn the Lawyers get so much is that the suit removes my right to sue seperately over this issue.
Yeah, thugs armed with machine guns taking down a bunch of 12-18 year old kids and some silly 20 year olds sure makes me feel great about the patriot act.
The reality is that most of the people they arrested did not commit crimes and weren't even capable of committing crimes-- they were just kids who wanted to be hackers who read these forums.
There may have been a thief or two there, but they were not significant criminals.
Its all propaganda, and the blatant spin put on the article from businessweek is funny... "Because some members were known to have firearms". Hmmmm...well we should arrest all teh cops too because not only do they have firearms, many of them have machine guns!
Government extends its power by making everyone subject to laws-- it doesn't matter whether a moral crime has been committed or not, the more they make the populace criminals the more they can use violence to control the populace without a revolt. That's all this is.
IF someone leaves tehir computer unprotected, and some kid logs into it and looks around and copies some pictures-- that kid has not committed a crime, but he has broken a law. The law is immoral, and thus criminal... but when they justify busting these kids for this stuff, they make it just that much easier to bust anyone who uses encrpytion or who uses spoofing services for anonymity, etc.
Accepting this immoral harassment makes it easier for them to add more immoral harassment-- such as an iron curtain of firewalls to keep track of every packet, and filter out "bad" websites, etc.
They already have the former, with carnivore which watches every email sent on every ISP... the latter is only a matter of time.
ITs time to throw out EVERY politican that supported the PATRIOT act-- whether democrat or republican, they have all shown themselves to be criminals who deserve prison sentences, not political careers. (IF you broke into someones house and got caught, you belong in jail-- if you make a law that legalizes the same kinds of rights violations, then the same punishment should apply.)