If the GOP steals this one, too..I'm moving to Canada.
Let me be the first to say... do not let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
Suggest you try the Obama Paradise of Kenya or Zimbabwe first though. I have friends from Canada and I rather like it and I do not believe they would like you very much as a neighbor.
It's long been policy that government officials do not use non-government email and communications methods that circumvent the official logging of such communications.
And it's long been policy that said government officials "lose" official email as in the Clinton administration or deny it altogether as in Algore's "no controlling authority" statement.
This is truly a case of "everyone" does it. Perhaps the law is a good idea, but if you can't get your elected officials to ever obey it, what next?
I also think this has been misstated in the media, as Mrs. Palin has NOT been officially accused of any wrong doing.
Now, can we talk about former President Jimmy Carter's Community Reinvestment Act that precipitated the current economic meltdown?
In fact, he said several of the waiters at this (unnamed) establishment were on H1-Bs. I believed him, but maybe I was too gullible.
Actually, I would believe it. I've talked to such people who told me of their plans to do it and I've heard too many other related stories of OFWs that corroborate to disbelieve them all.
I'll bet you anything that 1) they had to pay for their job[1] and 2) they are not making anything near minimum wage.
[1] It's typical for an OFW (Overseas Filipino Worker and that's an official term) to pay the first two months wages to the agency that arranged the employment.
America has forgotten that it built its success on the back of the geniuses that migrated there.
Not really. The real problem is that certain people are blurring the distinction between legal and illegal immigration.
What really pisses me off in the current public "debates" regarding immigration and housing loans is that the people who are getting screwed the hardest are the ones who have obeyed the law and applied common sense.
Life can be based off of any atom with a valence higher than 2.
References, please. Silicon, valence 4, same as Carbon is a natural possibility, but I've never read anything seriously suggesting another base element.
So apparently Microsoft tried to make their own "D" long ago and failed.
I guess so and I admit to being confused a bit by that part too.
Anyone care to comment on the phenomenal success of Promal (which was a similar "product")?
"Now you do not need any other confusing computer language, now, you have Promal!" (Quote from an IBM PC trade rag in the early 1980s). Though even that was more cross platform than this "M" is supposed to be - it ran on 6502s too.
By âoecross platformâ, Microsoft means, âoecross platform as long the other platform authors write a backend for the code, and the SQL database MUST be hosted on MS SQL, a proprietary Microsoft Windows serviceâ.
Let me clarify that statement. By cross platform we mean that this is portable to both Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Vista.
I'll wait to vote with my pocket book until there's either 1.) a native client for Linux, or 2.) I know for sure that it'll work ok in Wine.
There's never going to be a native client unless we demonstrate support. And this is a chicken and egg thing.
As for 2), check out the Wine web pages. They devote a lot of effort into classifying programs that run under Wine and you might find they have already classified what you want to try as supported.
We are never going to win this thing with the Stallman approach - "you give me exactly what I want or fuck you". We can win it by giving as much encouragement as we can to our potential allies.
We also have to deal with the psychology of the matter. Some software should never be free as in beer and doesn't really have to be Open Source. MMOs as nicely controlled as they are by Blizzard, are absolutely worth paying money for.
We have our foot in the door here and with the most influential game maker of the time! This is an extraordinary opportunity. The "best" way we can blow it is to just blow them off.
I'll repeat again since people do not seem to understand. The #1 computer gaming company in the US, Blizzard supports Unix/OpenGL out of the box. Practically no one else does. This is only a very short chip shot to native Linux support. Let them know, support them all you can and they will listen.
Once Blizzard leads the way to native Linux support, everyone else will follow.
If we ride a high horse and ignore them, then we'll most definitely lose.
In general, yes. But normally one would trust files on your own hard disk.
Sigh. You're new here, let me try a car analogy.
This is like driving a car in the US with a large sign on top that lights up "I WANT TO BUY SEX FROM YOU, open the passenger side door and give it to me baby!" every time you drive by a person of your preferred gender on the sidewalk.
The people that grew up with the moon landings on TV are getting old and replaced...
Hey! I'm not dead yet! It's getting better. I think I'll go for a walk.
We need something like the moon landings to inspire children for a lifetime.
Totally agree. They considered me retarded (I think a different term would be used now), until I got interested in the space program in the 1st grade and they discovered that I had only been bored, not brainless. I thank God they didn't start force feeding me crap like Ritalin.
My "specialty" is diagnosing bugs in software (or any large system) and fixing them. My job will never be outsourced and they'll retire me when they close the door on the casket. So I can definitely say that I was inspired and helped by the space program of the 60s and early 70s.
I like Wine and it's a great effort to make some win32 applications (including games) work on Linux, but lets demand native Linux games.
I agree, but we have to vote strategically and economically here.
Our position is actually very good. Blizzard is #1. Blizzard supports Mac OS X (via Open GL) out of the box. It's not half-assed support, it is Blizzard-class support.
They've worked with us once before - getting WoW under Wine to work with the Warden. The solution, is obvious.
Buy their games and play them under Mac OS X and Wine (for now). When you get Blizzard customer polls (like I did earlier today), make sure you put in somewhere how much you love the fact they support Unix/non-MS Windows clients.
We have to start somewhere and with Blizzard we've already started because as big as they are, they're listening. It doesn't surprise me, as I've learned from 2 years of WoW how much Blizzard cares about their customers.
This is really a huge opportunity for us. Huge. They are the 900 pound gorillas here and where they lead all the other idiots (EA, etc.) will have to follow or die. Do not diss Blizzard for a current lack of native Linux support. They need education which we can provide them. With just a little bit of patience, we can give it to them.
Please go back through this article and read the messages I have posted. Blizzard cares enough about us to have worked with the wine guys to make the Warden work with wine.
That's better than anyone else and they are #1 and we to start somewhere.
I can look forward to every announcement by blizzard being slashdotted
Ur, Blizzard has a vastly larger customer base than Slashdot has readers. More likely, a link from www.worldofwarcraft.com would bring down slashdot.org. Inverse slashdotting?
Does anyone know if there will be Linux support this time around?
I submitted that question in the Ask Blizzard at Blizzcon article recently.
Blizzard supports Mac OS X out of the box. The support is *outstanding*. So there is no reason why they could not support a native Linux install with little additional cost to them.
Anyone who is seriously interested in breaking the monopoly on computer gaming, should buy Blizzard games and play them on Macs or Linux with Wine and make sure Blizzard knows that. I have done that.
Blizzard is #1 at the moment and they are receptive to us, so if you care, vote with your pocket book.
Blizzard says, "Hey! This is going to take a long time to produce to meet our quality expectations, and quite frankly designing a massive branching campaign with multiplayer in mind is a challenge.. we can either take from here until some time in 2015 to complete all three campaigns for one game..."
Dang, I just posted the same thing above and did not see your comment.
You are exactly correct. No Duke Nukem Forever IIs from Blizzard...
Starcraft II is exactly the same, and yet, people are whining now...? Am I missing something?
You're new here. Whining is a way of life with us.
What people are not thinking about it is that the real reason Blizzard is breaking this apart into pieces is prevent it from becoming Duke Nukem Forever II, instead of Starcraft 2.
I also find it interesting that I see so many World of Warcraft advertisements on slashdot pages...
The Wrath of the Lich King expansion if it makes its release date will be Game of the Year this year. Otherwise if it misses and comes next January, it will be Game of the Year next year.
Most of the time, people complain about things being posted here too late, like say after it appeared on digg a week ago. Consider the WotLK ads to be the PTB's at slashdot apology for all the late articles we've been given.
I think they're wasting money on their ads. Unlike Microsofties and Microsoft Vista, us WoWers are looking forward with great anticipation to the next expansion. It's Blizzard. They have a track record for quality and it WILL be awesome. Just like BC.
if they try to stagger the releases of this (easier for development, spread out profits, add in new bug fixes and balances with each release)
My take as a developer, though not a game developer. I've bolded the parts where you answer your own question. I think it will be staggered.
Give these guys a break. Sure they make great profit (which isn't a crime yet, when done honestly like Blizzard has done) and they deserve it! They make awesome and fun games and they take extremely good care of their customers. The easiest entertainment money I ever spent was setting up a second WoW account for my wife.
Where did it say that they were charging full price for each one?
It didn't, the summary was thankfully terse on what would have been interesting details.
I think I'm going to buy all of their new titles, just on general principles whether I play them or not. Blizzard is #1 in the industry at the moment. Blizzard supports Mac OS X out of the box and their developers worked with the Linux wine guys so the Warden didn't kick out people who want to play on Linux.
I'm sick and tired of people who claim Linux and Mac OS X are worthless because no one does games for them, but someone does. I, for one, am going to welcome Gaming Overlord Blizzard right where it counts - in giving them new sales.
Nope. And thank God for the color scheme they are using in the beta index and firehose which makes even article titles unreadable. We don't have to read anything now! W00t!
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If the GOP steals this one, too..I'm moving to Canada.
Let me be the first to say ... do not let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
Suggest you try the Obama Paradise of Kenya or Zimbabwe first though. I have friends from Canada and I rather like it and I do not believe they would like you very much as a neighbor.
It's long been policy that government officials do not use non-government email and communications methods that circumvent the official logging of such communications.
And it's long been policy that said government officials "lose" official email as in the Clinton administration or deny it altogether as in Algore's "no controlling authority" statement.
This is truly a case of "everyone" does it. Perhaps the law is a good idea, but if you can't get your elected officials to ever obey it, what next?
I also think this has been misstated in the media, as Mrs. Palin has NOT been officially accused of any wrong doing.
Now, can we talk about former President Jimmy Carter's Community Reinvestment Act that precipitated the current economic meltdown?
In fact, he said several of the waiters at this (unnamed) establishment were on H1-Bs. I believed him, but maybe I was too gullible.
Actually, I would believe it. I've talked to such people who told me of their plans to do it and I've heard too many other related stories of OFWs that corroborate to disbelieve them all.
I'll bet you anything that 1) they had to pay for their job[1] and 2) they are not making anything near minimum wage.
[1] It's typical for an OFW (Overseas Filipino Worker and that's an official term) to pay the first two months wages to the agency that arranged the employment.
America has forgotten that it built its success on the back of the geniuses that migrated there.
Not really. The real problem is that certain people are blurring the distinction between legal and illegal immigration.
What really pisses me off in the current public "debates" regarding immigration and housing loans is that the people who are getting screwed the hardest are the ones who have obeyed the law and applied common sense.
That's just wrong.
Life can be based off of any atom with a valence higher than 2.
References, please. Silicon, valence 4, same as Carbon is a natural possibility, but I've never read anything seriously suggesting another base element.
So apparently Microsoft tried to make their own "D" long ago and failed.
I guess so and I admit to being confused a bit by that part too.
Anyone care to comment on the phenomenal success of Promal (which was a similar "product")?
"Now you do not need any other confusing computer language, now, you have Promal!" (Quote from an IBM PC trade rag in the early 1980s). Though even that was more cross platform than this "M" is supposed to be - it ran on 6502s too.
From TFA:
By âoecross platformâ, Microsoft means, âoecross platform as long the other platform authors write a backend for the code, and the SQL database MUST be hosted on MS SQL, a proprietary Microsoft Windows serviceâ.
Let me clarify that statement. By cross platform we mean that this is portable to both Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Vista.
"The thieves choose the wrong van to break into when they burglarized an FBI SWAT team's van."
Were they ever caught? YFL says:
The FBI asks anyone with information that could help recover the rifles to call their Jacksonville office at (904) 721-1211.
Seems to me that they got away with it and that's a heckuva better reward than could have gotten if they had broken into my car ...
This is Slashdot and if you're going to do a car analogy, you're going to have to do much better than that.
Yeah. Can someone who saw this before the site went down at least give us a car analogy or something?
Microsoft should be shot for leaving this feature on by default.
? They are the idiots who incorporated the misfeature ignoring decades of prior experience in the field.
I'll wait to vote with my pocket book until there's either 1.) a native client for Linux, or 2.) I know for sure that it'll work ok in Wine.
There's never going to be a native client unless we demonstrate support. And this is a chicken and egg thing.
As for 2), check out the Wine web pages. They devote a lot of effort into classifying programs that run under Wine and you might find they have already classified what you want to try as supported.
We are never going to win this thing with the Stallman approach - "you give me exactly what I want or fuck you". We can win it by giving as much encouragement as we can to our potential allies.
We also have to deal with the psychology of the matter. Some software should never be free as in beer and doesn't really have to be Open Source. MMOs as nicely controlled as they are by Blizzard, are absolutely worth paying money for.
We have our foot in the door here and with the most influential game maker of the time! This is an extraordinary opportunity. The "best" way we can blow it is to just blow them off.
I'll repeat again since people do not seem to understand. The #1 computer gaming company in the US, Blizzard supports Unix/OpenGL out of the box. Practically no one else does. This is only a very short chip shot to native Linux support. Let them know, support them all you can and they will listen.
Once Blizzard leads the way to native Linux support, everyone else will follow.
If we ride a high horse and ignore them, then we'll most definitely lose.
In general, yes. But normally one would trust files on your own hard disk.
Sigh. You're new here, let me try a car analogy.
This is like driving a car in the US with a large sign on top that lights up "I WANT TO BUY SEX FROM YOU, open the passenger side door and give it to me baby!" every time you drive by a person of your preferred gender on the sidewalk.
Clear now?
A prompt will only decrease the percent of people that fall victim.
Exactly, hence my comment "it's a remarkably stupid design."
Prompt or no, it's still a stupid thing to do. You do not want to run anything new landing on a system by default or even prompt to have it run.
It's a remarkably stupid design.
The people that grew up with the moon landings on TV are getting old and replaced ...
Hey! I'm not dead yet! It's getting better. I think I'll go for a walk.
We need something like the moon landings to inspire children for a lifetime.
Totally agree. They considered me retarded (I think a different term would be used now), until I got interested in the space program in the 1st grade and they discovered that I had only been bored, not brainless. I thank God they didn't start force feeding me crap like Ritalin.
My "specialty" is diagnosing bugs in software (or any large system) and fixing them. My job will never be outsourced and they'll retire me when they close the door on the casket. So I can definitely say that I was inspired and helped by the space program of the 60s and early 70s.
I like Wine and it's a great effort to make some win32 applications (including games) work on Linux, but lets demand native Linux games.
I agree, but we have to vote strategically and economically here.
Our position is actually very good. Blizzard is #1. Blizzard supports Mac OS X (via Open GL) out of the box. It's not half-assed support, it is Blizzard-class support.
They've worked with us once before - getting WoW under Wine to work with the Warden. The solution, is obvious.
Buy their games and play them under Mac OS X and Wine (for now). When you get Blizzard customer polls (like I did earlier today), make sure you put in somewhere how much you love the fact they support Unix/non-MS Windows clients.
We have to start somewhere and with Blizzard we've already started because as big as they are, they're listening. It doesn't surprise me, as I've learned from 2 years of WoW how much Blizzard cares about their customers.
This is really a huge opportunity for us. Huge. They are the 900 pound gorillas here and where they lead all the other idiots (EA, etc.) will have to follow or die. Do not diss Blizzard for a current lack of native Linux support. They
need education which we can provide them. With just a little bit of patience, we can give it to them.
Please go back through this article and read the messages I have posted. Blizzard cares enough about us to have worked with the wine guys to make the Warden work with wine.
That's better than anyone else and they are #1 and we to start somewhere.
I can look forward to every announcement by blizzard being slashdotted
Ur, Blizzard has a vastly larger customer base than Slashdot has readers. More likely, a link from www.worldofwarcraft.com would bring down slashdot.org. Inverse slashdotting?
Does anyone know if there will be Linux support this time around?
I submitted that question in the Ask Blizzard at Blizzcon article recently.
Blizzard supports Mac OS X out of the box. The support is *outstanding*. So there is no reason why they could not support a native Linux install with little additional cost to them.
Anyone who is seriously interested in breaking the monopoly on computer gaming, should buy Blizzard games and play them on Macs or Linux with Wine and make sure Blizzard knows that. I have done that.
Blizzard is #1 at the moment and they are receptive to us, so if you care, vote with your pocket book.
Blizzard says, "Hey! This is going to take a long time to produce to meet our quality expectations, and quite frankly designing a massive branching campaign with multiplayer in mind is a challenge.. we can either take from here until some time in 2015 to complete all three campaigns for one game..."
Dang, I just posted the same thing above and did not see your comment.
You are exactly correct. No Duke Nukem Forever IIs from Blizzard ...
Starcraft II is exactly the same, and yet, people are whining now...? Am I missing something?
You're new here. Whining is a way of life with us.
What people are not thinking about it is that the real reason Blizzard is breaking this apart into pieces is prevent it from becoming Duke Nukem Forever II, instead of Starcraft 2.
I also find it interesting that I see so many World of Warcraft advertisements on slashdot pages...
The Wrath of the Lich King expansion if it makes its release date will be Game of the Year this year. Otherwise if it misses and comes next January, it will be Game of the Year next year.
Most of the time, people complain about things being posted here too late, like say after it appeared on digg a week ago. Consider the WotLK ads to be the PTB's at slashdot apology for all the late articles we've been given.
I think they're wasting money on their ads. Unlike Microsofties and Microsoft Vista, us WoWers are looking forward with great anticipation to the next expansion. It's Blizzard. They have a track record for quality and it WILL be awesome. Just like BC.
if they try to stagger the releases of this (easier for development, spread out profits, add in new bug fixes and balances with each release)
My take as a developer, though not a game developer. I've bolded the parts where you answer your own question. I think it will be staggered.
Give these guys a break. Sure they make great profit (which isn't a crime yet, when done honestly like Blizzard has done) and they deserve it! They make awesome and fun games and they take extremely good care of their customers. The easiest entertainment money I ever spent was setting up a second WoW account for my wife.
Where did it say that they were charging full price for each one?
It didn't, the summary was thankfully terse on what would have been interesting details.
I think I'm going to buy all of their new titles, just on general principles whether I play them or not. Blizzard is #1 in the industry at the moment. Blizzard supports Mac OS X out of the box and their developers worked with the Linux wine guys so the Warden didn't kick out people who want to play on Linux.
I'm sick and tired of people who claim Linux and Mac OS X are worthless because no one does games for them, but someone does. I, for one, am going to welcome Gaming Overlord Blizzard right where it counts - in giving them new sales.
Nope. And thank God for the color scheme they are using in the beta index and firehose which makes even article titles unreadable. We don't have to read anything now! W00t!