I do not agree with you [but I will defend with my life your right to disagree with me].
Please re-read the sentence: "don't buy anything BECAUSE THE STORE DIDN'T OFFER ANYTHING WANTED BY THOSE PEOPLE". In other words: they would have bought if they would have found anything interesting. This is not loitering. Even if they have no initial intention of buying, it can happen that they enter and say: "oh, look at this, how convenient/cute/interesting/whatever" and buy it. In marketing this is called "impulse purchase". Supermarkets use a variation of this when they put non-essential articles by the cashier lines so people buy them without initial intention.
But going back to the point: Allowing customers to enter and walk around the shop hoping that they will be interested in something is one thing. A very different thing, and totally unethical from my point of view, is when the shop owner (or someone hired) stands in front of the shop and, when somebody passes in front, suddenly takes their arm and pulls them inside, not allowing them out until they have browsed the entire shop and seen the merchandise. THIS IS THE WEB ADVERTISING WHICH SHOULD BE BLOCKED: they force you to see uninteresting ads when you visit any unrelated web page.
Web advertising is acceptable if:
1) The format is not intrusive, i.e. it does not distract me from the main content. 2) The ads are related to the topic I'm visiting, i.e. if I'm visiting a gardening forum, I don't mind seeing ads about watering systems, but I DO mind seeing ads about insurance or loans.
Well, just my 2.68 cents (according to the Euro/USD change of today).
That's not correct. I ordered the DVD at the beginning of last December and got it a couple of weeks later. I live near Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain, Europe. So it looks like they send it worldwide (well, maybe except to the Axis of Evil... including Redmond, WA? hehehe).
By the way: the picture on the DVD cover features the "castellers" (castle makers), a very traditional Catalan (that is, from my homeland) show/sport/activity. The place appears to be Barcelona, in front of the City Council building. I guess the guys at Sun want to emphasize the importance of teamwork.
[WARNING: SOME FOUL LANGUAGE USED FOR A CLEARER EXPLANATION]
Besides that, his knowledge of English is quite despisable, because everyone knows that "coño" does not mean "fuck" but "cunt". If he wanted to say "fuck", he should have used "joder" instead of "coño".
I seldom use Wikipedia, precisely because I do not trust such an uncontrolled flow of information (and this case proved my point). But since Catalans are a minority in the world (Compare: how many people would be able to correct an offending article about the US, for example?) I decided to go ahead and fix it. Yes, I am not used to the Wikipedia interface, so I used the "Save" button in the middle of the work, and when I was going to do the second, definitive saving, I found that the article was "Protected or Half Protected". So much for an open and free encyclopedia!
By the way: I already have an account, created several months ago to post an article I don't remember what about, and somebody overwrote it a few days later with no apparent reason (both articles were quite similar).
Don't misunderstand me: I think Wikipedia is, by design, a good idea; the problem is the implementation. The Wikipedia fails to take into account the intrincacies of its own most important component: human beings. Wikipedia relies on the idea that each and every human being is perfect: no mistakes (like the one I apparently made) and no weasel-behaved, evil people who dump their hatred against minorities at each opportunity they have, even without thinking about the consequences their lies can have to third parties (which is what actually brought us to this thread).
We are to used to suffer such type of aggresions and we already learned to take them with a grain of humour but, were Catalan people from U.S. heritage, we probably would sue the producers of Elephants Dream.
By the way: I just clicked the link in Slashdot, then clicked on "Edit this article". Why did I get an outdated version? If this happens, something is flawed.
By the way: the term is not only offensive to us Catalans: it is also confusing and misleading for everyonoe else, since the actual meaning of the word used is "Polish" (from Poland). Any person who does not know about all this might think that in the NorthEast part of the Iberian peninsula, Polish is actually spoken...
Just for your info, guys: I just visited the article and removed the offensive terms, also leaving a small explanative note about the term itself just in case someone hears it again knows what it is all about.
A_10_es: si et plau, dóna-li una ullada quan puguis, a veure si m'he deixat alguna cosa. Gràcies. [A_10_es: please, give it an eyeball when you have a moment, to see if I forgot something. Thank you.]
That was a sample of Catalan language; will somebody give me a +1=Informative?;-)
Well, these "eurocentric morons/idiots" (BTW: you get a -1 to consistency), as you call them, did invent pasta themselves before Marco Polo brought the "state-of-the-art" technics and procedures from China. When he did, the Italians were more than quick in adopt (and adapt) them, effectively "masking out" their original style (which I imagine much worse than the Chinese one). There is evidence that they used to prepare shorter, thicker noodles with goldwheat semola. I am not Italian
Well, I feel like I made possible that more people get it for free today. I am a hero! And, besides that, I was a pioneer in using it before the masses do.
It actually works. No urban legend here. I did it myself. It was a dead SCSI disk which I had been trying to recover for three days, to no avail. Then I remembered the old saying from my country, "de perdidos al río" * and I left it in the freezer overnight. Well, IT WORKED. The dead hard drive revived for a period long enough to plug it into a computer, copy everything to another drive, verify the copy, and then power off and throw the poor thing to the garbage can.
*: Literally, "from lost to the river"; a Spanish saying which means that, if everything is lost, trying something else, no matter how absurd or desperate, won't do things worse.
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> in simple terms, since when cant people > understand the intent of "definately" or "shoud > of"????????? humans are capable of understanding > those to mean "definitely" and "should have". so > where is the loss of effectiveness? where is the > gain by using "proper" english?
As usual, somebody who does not think about non-native English speakers. We learned the rules of English language at a later stage of our life, so we lack the intuition to immediately grasp the meaning of a word through a grammar or spelling mistake. Of course we quickly do (most of the times), but we have to stop and think for a fraction of a second, thus losing efectiveness.
By the way, smalldick: "English", in English, requires upper case. Oh, and upper case is also required at the beginning of paragraphs, or after a question mark.
Upon reading the article I took my laptop with wireless card and climbed to a tree in my garden. Now I'm sitting here and writing this from the top. Does it count as a "strange place"?
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Man, in Linux it's the one-finger Ctrl-S! I use it often to momentarily hold long real-time log scrolls in/dev/tty12. Much more convenient in "hey, wait a second, what's this" situations: you just hit it with any finger you have handy - no neeed to locate two keys, one of them buried in the middle.
>Have any of you ever paid a bill slightly (or even very) late? Ever take out a loan, with which you intended to enrich yourself, and then take longer to pay it back than you originally contracted?
Never. Even when I had to sell personal property to avoid it, I made a point of honoring my debts on the appointed date. And I am not a fat-rich-corp-guy like the RIAA. In other words: even if I had answered "yes", probably it would have been "because I couldn't, since didn't have the money". Do you think the RIAA does not have the money or cannot pay to the artists?
So I am rightfully angry against these robbers.
And yes, it is an issue appropiate for/. because the ultimate subject in the war between RIAA and the rest of the non-corporate world is... di-gi-tal rights. "Digital" as in "geek".
The Beatles meant a revolution to popular music in their time. Even when they disappeared long ago, their influences are still present in today music, and their records are still widely sold.
Before modding me off-topic: do you catch the meaning?
BTW: I still use, maintain and improve a Quick-BASIC 4.5 program I wrote nine years ago. The reason? Portability: each machine I work with has an MS-DOS emulator! Talk about "write once, run everywhere!" Oh, and it's faster than Java, too:-P
> Yup. Clearly, the way to get the Spanish government to obey is to bomb a few trains.
You are not very informed, are you?
The Spanish government did not obey because of the bombs: it was obeying (Bush and Blair) until the bombs, and after the bombs. Then, when election time came, we just kicked them off, with a shoe mark on their butts (this is the common joke since the new President's last name means "Shoemaker" in Spanish). Now, our new government is obeying US, not U.S., as it has to be in any democratic country.
BTW: continuing with your information and education, Telefónica de España is no longer government-owned, since several years ago. Now it is a "private" company (ahem), so the train bombing is ineffective against them.
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I do not agree with you [but I will defend with my life your right to disagree with me].
Please re-read the sentence: "don't buy anything BECAUSE THE STORE DIDN'T OFFER ANYTHING WANTED BY THOSE PEOPLE". In other words: they would have bought if they would have found anything interesting. This is not loitering.
Even if they have no initial intention of buying, it can happen that they enter and say: "oh, look at this, how convenient/cute/interesting/whatever" and buy it. In marketing this is called "impulse purchase". Supermarkets use a variation of this when they put non-essential articles by the cashier lines so people buy them without initial intention.
But going back to the point: Allowing customers to enter and walk around the shop hoping that they will be interested in something is one thing. A very different thing, and totally unethical from my point of view, is when the shop owner (or someone hired) stands in front of the shop and, when somebody passes in front, suddenly takes their arm and pulls them inside, not allowing them out until they have browsed the entire shop and seen the merchandise. THIS IS THE WEB ADVERTISING WHICH SHOULD BE BLOCKED: they force you to see uninteresting ads when you visit any unrelated web page.
Web advertising is acceptable if:
1) The format is not intrusive, i.e. it does not distract me from the main content.
2) The ads are related to the topic I'm visiting, i.e. if I'm visiting a gardening forum, I don't mind seeing ads about watering systems, but I DO mind seeing ads about insurance or loans.
Well, just my 2.68 cents (according to the Euro/USD change of today).
...or with: "Wow! You play baseball too? Great, I'm an excellent pitcher myself! Come over here and let's have some strikes at the backyard!"
That's not correct. I ordered the DVD at the beginning of last December and got it a couple of weeks later. I live near Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain, Europe. So it looks like they send it worldwide (well, maybe except to the Axis of Evil... including Redmond, WA? hehehe).
By the way: the picture on the DVD cover features the "castellers" (castle makers), a very traditional Catalan (that is, from my homeland) show/sport/activity. The place appears to be Barcelona, in front of the City Council building. I guess the guys at Sun want to emphasize the importance of teamwork.
English article about castellers: http://www.castellersdebarcelona.org/eng/
...especially now that everyone hates the US for their foreign policy...
[WARNING: SOME FOUL LANGUAGE USED FOR A CLEARER EXPLANATION]
Besides that, his knowledge of English is quite despisable, because everyone knows that "coño" does not mean "fuck" but "cunt". If he wanted to say "fuck", he should have used "joder" instead of "coño".
I seldom use Wikipedia, precisely because I do not trust such an uncontrolled flow of information (and this case proved my point). But since Catalans are a minority in the world (Compare: how many people would be able to correct an offending article about the US, for example?) I decided to go ahead and fix it.
Yes, I am not used to the Wikipedia interface, so I used the "Save" button in the middle of the work, and when I was going to do the second, definitive saving, I found that the article was "Protected or Half Protected". So much for an open and free encyclopedia!
By the way: I already have an account, created several months ago to post an article I don't remember what about, and somebody overwrote it a few days later with no apparent reason (both articles were quite similar).
Don't misunderstand me: I think Wikipedia is, by design, a good idea; the problem is the implementation. The Wikipedia fails to take into account the intrincacies of its own most important component: human beings. Wikipedia relies on the idea that each and every human being is perfect: no mistakes (like the one I apparently made) and no weasel-behaved, evil people who dump their hatred against minorities at each opportunity they have, even without thinking about the consequences their lies can have to third parties (which is what actually brought us to this thread).
We are to used to suffer such type of aggresions and we already learned to take them with a grain of humour but, were Catalan people from U.S. heritage, we probably would sue the producers of Elephants Dream.
By the way: I just clicked the link in Slashdot, then clicked on "Edit this article". Why did I get an outdated version? If this happens, something is flawed.
By the way: the term is not only offensive to us Catalans: it is also confusing and misleading for everyonoe else, since the actual meaning of the word used is "Polish" (from Poland). Any person who does not know about all this might think that in the NorthEast part of the Iberian peninsula, Polish is actually spoken...
Fixed? I fixed it myself, and your comment appears to be previous to mine! :-S
Just for your info, guys: I just visited the article and removed the offensive terms, also leaving a small explanative note about the term itself just in case someone hears it again knows what it is all about.
;-)
A_10_es: si et plau, dóna-li una ullada quan puguis, a veure si m'he deixat alguna cosa. Gràcies.
[A_10_es: please, give it an eyeball when you have a moment, to see if I forgot something. Thank you.]
That was a sample of Catalan language; will somebody give me a +1=Informative?
Well, at least they were not dating Carbon, were they?
Well, mine was not. Hope it adds something positive to the discussion.
Well, these "eurocentric morons/idiots" (BTW: you get a -1 to consistency), as you call them, did invent pasta themselves before Marco Polo brought the "state-of-the-art" technics and procedures from China. When he did, the Italians were more than quick in adopt (and adapt) them, effectively "masking out" their original style (which I imagine much worse than the Chinese one). There is evidence that they used to prepare shorter, thicker noodles with goldwheat semola.
I am not Italian
Well, I feel like I made possible that more people get it for free today. I am a hero! And, besides that, I was a pioneer in using it before the masses do.
In my Mandrake it is just "rpm -Uvh ..."
But, of course, "cada uno cuenta la feria según le va en ella" ("people will tell you about the fair depending on how it was for them").
*: Literally, "from lost to the river"; a Spanish saying which means that, if everything is lost, trying something else, no matter how absurd or desperate, won't do things worse.
I... see... dead... people!
> in simple terms, since when cant people
> understand the intent of "definately" or "shoud
> of"????????? humans are capable of understanding
> those to mean "definitely" and "should have". so
> where is the loss of effectiveness? where is the
> gain by using "proper" english?
As usual, somebody who does not think about non-native English speakers. We learned the rules of English language at a later stage of our life, so we lack the intuition to immediately grasp the meaning of a word through a grammar or spelling mistake. Of course we quickly do (most of the times), but we have to stop and think for a fraction of a second, thus losing efectiveness.
By the way, smalldick: "English", in English, requires upper case. Oh, and upper case is also required at the beginning of paragraphs, or after a question mark.
Of course, man! Poland is the country with the highest percent of Catolic population! (except the Vatican, of course).
> That's no doubt one reason why the French are so irrationally angry at countries like the US where the spiral continues upward.
Excuse me... the spiral continues WHAT???
Where do you live in the States? Bangladesh (AL)? Or maybe Shanghai (TX)?
Upon reading the article I took my laptop with wireless card and climbed to a tree in my garden. Now I'm sitting here and writing this from the top. Does it count as a "strange place"?
Have you ever heard of... Microsoft Borg?
Man, in Linux it's the one-finger Ctrl-S! I use it often to momentarily hold long real-time log scrolls in /dev/tty12. Much more convenient in "hey, wait a second, what's this" situations: you just hit it with any finger you have handy - no neeed to locate two keys, one of them buried in the middle.
>Have any of you ever paid a bill slightly (or even very) late? Ever take out a loan, with which you intended to enrich yourself, and then take longer to pay it back than you originally contracted?
/. because the ultimate subject in the war between RIAA and the rest of the non-corporate world is... di-gi-tal rights. "Digital" as in "geek".
Never. Even when I had to sell personal property to avoid it, I made a point of honoring my debts on the appointed date. And I am not a fat-rich-corp-guy like the RIAA. In other words: even if I had answered "yes", probably it would have been "because I couldn't, since didn't have the money". Do you think the RIAA does not have the money or cannot pay to the artists?
So I am rightfully angry against these robbers.
And yes, it is an issue appropiate for
The Beatles meant a revolution to popular music in their time. Even when they disappeared long ago, their influences are still present in today music, and their records are still widely sold.
Before modding me off-topic: do you catch the meaning?
BTW: I still use, maintain and improve a Quick-BASIC 4.5 program I wrote nine years ago. The reason? Portability: each machine I work with has an MS-DOS emulator! Talk about "write once, run everywhere!" Oh, and it's faster than Java, too :-P
> Yup. Clearly, the way to get the Spanish government to obey is to bomb a few trains.
You are not very informed, are you?
The Spanish government did not obey because of the bombs: it was obeying (Bush and Blair) until the bombs, and after the bombs. Then, when election time came, we just kicked them off, with a shoe mark on their butts (this is the common joke since the new President's last name means "Shoemaker" in Spanish). Now, our new government is obeying US, not U.S., as it has to be in any democratic country.
BTW: continuing with your information and education, Telefónica de España is no longer government-owned, since several years ago. Now it is a "private" company (ahem), so the train bombing is ineffective against them.