Isn't it is called conspiracy for global monopoly
on media control? If the little chance it will
might take, to become real, I hope government
will bust this deal, because then companies will
be excersizing something of governmental powers
of orwellinan touch.
Consumrtism and pop-culture made that made
corporations, should be banished by every
individual concerned with the future of this
earth, and his own future.
I am sure this can be resolved using conventional
talking. After all programmers are ones that are
reasonable people. 1337 d00dz that blow their
temper, are no better than some of the flamboyant
people that float atop of the salary classes in
large places(read suits). 'Sue me' type deal,
that became rubber stamp for california living,
shall not be the moral temlate to everything
else that goes in this world.
Take a deep breath, and lay out what went wrong,
rate what what is important, on scale 1-10,
organize your thoughts, perhaps talk to your lawyer, AFTER you laid organized your thoughts.
Then by yourself try to contact the offender,
in calm way. If they are rude, perhaps they
have their reasons, people are people at the end
of the day, so don't respond to negative remarks
in negative way, be balanced. If logically stuff
is going no where after couple of months, or
couple of week, depending on how much time you
are spending of conflict resolution, contact lawyer. BTW, document everything! Get one of the recording machines, tape your calls, tape of
summarize on paper your conversations, make copies
of fax transmissions, print out email, store
everything in one folder.
If they wish not to reason with you
take all the documentation to the court and get
court to mitigate a reasonable conversation.
HTH,
It was nice living in a free country, where can I find the same now?
Next major language. Gimme a break, most major
languages has been forced upon to us, like
COBOL, revolutionary, English like language.
Then there we byte compiled languages. No major
feat, just adding layers to isoltate things.
Really people have been adding layers everywhere.
So java took it over board, woo hoo...
I don't need a new language that I will have
to learn, because corporate mongers think I should. Improve on present ones.
There is no glory in impoving the old though...
just lots of effort reuse.
Make it easier? Here is a hype balloon that Sun
so eagerly tries to blow every time. Sometimes
it catches on, sometimes it doesn't. Bill Joy
is smart man and he made money at it.
I do not belive into stuff like easier, because
as always learning new infrastructures that
will make your life "easier" really means three things:
1. Spending more time educating yourself
2. trading things that you know by heart for new
easier methodology produced by a corporation
whose sole motive is to a. make money b. dominate
the world to keep making money.
3. Easier stuff means that inventors made it
easier to develop systems with tools that are
token sized.
New stuff in by no means bad. However computing
field being full of marketing people and others
who try to push their ideas into the wild, you
got to be really cautious of those hype bombs
that just may explode into your face.
Often people try to save their face, if they did
invest alot of time into something, stupid by
promoting it, thus justifying their effort.
Be cautios, do your homework, gain experience,
don't let misguided , misguide you =)
Ok this debate is prepetuated by publishing
industry over and over again for purpose of itself
When will we learn that any interpreted languages
are slower than compiled ones, like C++ and C,
and we just should use best language that fits the
task at hand, rather than reasoning what is faster
or better is some lofty unappliable way?
Consider this,
Team of developers is more expensive than rack of
fire breathing SCSI raid enabled with all power
extension rack of intel boxes. So hire two perl
geeks to do the job, if you want some big
dynamic website and give'em plenty of hardware,
instead of hiring a dozen of C/C++ or Java
developers to implement your site.
If you build a game, don't even think about any
of interpreted languages, or ones that even
started as interpreted, such as visual basic, java
or python. Stick with C++/C, you will benefit in
long run.
You want a cross platform gui that will interface
legacy severs around the world with little
resources on your side, get few Java hackers.
For gods sake, everyone should do their job to the
best and should not drag people into unproductive
holy wars like our assembler is better than your
assebler because it has more instructions...nyah
nyah...
this prompts the death of the web. If your data
is so freely circulated over the net, including
any authentication or indentification information,
whats to stop lazy government workers taking
shortcuts doing misjustice and getting away with
it? Things like where few FBI officers that rack
up huge bills trying to catch elusive drug
trafficer. Now they just have to snoop few passwords
do plant of evidence on few of people's accounts,
and haul innocent person's ass into jail for life
or even execution, so that they will not be
caught for misappropriation of funds.
That is why I don't trust *anybody*. My computer
is as secure as a fortress - sufficently secure.
I do not use webmail services, except one hosted directly on my machine and used over ssl-128 bit.
Education of general computing populus about
encryption methods available today, is paradyne
of computer educated , encryption enlightened.
It was nice living in free county. Where can get the same again?
I would be charged based on data that is sold to
NSA by corporation for ananlysis on population
wide scan? WTF.
Canada was caught collecting data on all of its
citizens into one huge database. It is illegal by
canadian laws. They said that they have destroyed
it. Yeah right. Its like saying oh we just made
this a-bomb and we will forget that we even made it.
Truth is popluation is growing, so there is more
chances for very bad people to be out there.
Governments know that they want to tie everyone
into one knot and rule - its easier to police a
state with strong arm, then reason with state.
Presently there is a struggle by governments
to tie everybody into that big knot, so they can
black mail anybody, thus spending less money on
policing, thus be more popular with general
populus.
No it is liability issue. Someone can sue you and
have more chances to win now if offending traffic
has originated from your network and you don't
have any measures/time to trace such data, back
in time meaning logging of every fucking byte
that traverses your network to outside.
It is a blind sighted attemt to do something by
authorities who do not have any understanding of
of the internet(technology, communities, everything)
Think of it as a fat elephant trying to catch a
mouse. While it is is afraid of it, it has to
catch it, while it is really unable to do so,
because it has neither physical ablities nor cranial
functions to do that. So you get elephant that
jumps around as if it is own tail chasing, doing
whole lot of havoc around itself. Trying to calm
it would probably not work, using bare hands, so
all you can do is stand aside, whatch and be
amused. It is however not so amusing when elephant
is in small room jammed with entities, trying to do the same.(food for thought)
its like code bloat, except that now network
protocols are going to be stretched to the limits
of its spandexy vagueness.
Wait, 640K would be enough for everybody!
I hardly think that was a playoff off somebody's
reputation, because reputation was gained because
everybody used it. And everybody contributed.
OpenAL is great name, because it does make audio
libraries, sound like they are platform independent
And they are... so what is wrong with it?
Should they call ALO? that would be more confusing.
Lawyers for the SGI are shooting their own company
in the foot, because open[a-z]l may become the
naming convention for cross platform libraries out
there, just like lib*.so is, or x86 scheme that
used to be, and still is. For customers, us it is
great, not for ego bosses, that think company
should stand on its own and screw with people's
heads.
pavel
Both are to work for subsiduary of microsoft?
With worse and worse news coming about for the
microsoft harassing hell out of a companies,
why two mega men need to work for Active state?
They should but for O'Rielly. I would buy more
books from O'Rielly, if larry continues to produce
goodness he was until now. =)
that reminds me an article in vancouver sun recently,
apparently schools are not allowed to experiment
with networking technologies, they must allow
local telcos provide that for them. There are
hight tech neighborhoods sprining up everywhere.
Most midpriced condos that are built now have 1-2 ethernet jacks in every room. 50% of residences in
downtown area over here are wired for 100Mbps
fiberlink.Two way. 80 bucks. 59US or so.
Go Canada go.
monopolies breed on indiffence, mediocricity
and shortage of innovation. Innovation, whereever
it is, means expenses, and it does not bode well
with short sighted PHB type individuals that run
the companies.
A monopoly does not have to have negative
connotation. If company strives for bettering of
the world around them and they do have effective
100% control of the market, that may be a good
thing for a while. But people will come and go,
and eventually lazy, incompetent and power hunry
types would make their way up the ladder and spoil
it all.
Let me see, if the company is superpowerful and
trying to move itself as fast as it can with
encouraging others to do so, it is a good company.
If company is trying to presevrve status quo they
have acquired in the market place, whatever they
call it, research for just enough info so they
can patent it, FUD etc. They deserve to be
disciplined, or dissolved.
There is more to replacing books, but simply
inventing something bettrer. One way it will happen,
technology is much cheaper and as easy to use as
books themselves are. The law is made that reading
paper books is illegal, so everyone hands them in
and starts to use new technology.
Other way, is it would offer nothing else was
offering to us before, like books were in the
beginning.
Simply being a better techology, is not always good
enough.
just 2c
taken from: http://www.eskimo.com/~matth/hobby.html
From "Historically Brewed" magazine:
And now it's time for the "ARE SOME THINGS BETTER LEFT UNSAID?" Department
The following is a reprint of a letter which Bill Gates, co-founder of
Microsoft, wrote and had published in the Homebrew Computer Club
newsletter on February 3, 1976.
Ouch Bill, take it easy guy!
An Open Letter to Hobbyists
To me, the most critical thing in the hobby market right now is the lack
of good software courses, books and software itself. Without good software
and an owner who understands programming, a hobby computer is wasted. Will
quality software be written for the hobby market?
Almost a year ago, Paul Allen and myself, expecting the hobby market to
expand, hired Monte Davidoff and developed Altair BASIC. Though the
initial work took only two months, the three of us have spent most of the
last year documenting, improving and adding features to BASIC. Now we have
4K, 8K, EXTENDED, ROM and DISK BASIC. The value of the computer time we
have used exceeds $40,000.
The feedback we have gotten from the hundreds of people who say they are
using BASIC has all been positive. Two surprising things are apparent,
however. 1) most of these "users" never bought BASIC (less than 10% of
all Altair owners have bought BASIC), and 2) The amount of royalties we
have received from sales to hobbyists makes the time spent on Altair BASIC
worth less than $2 an hour.
Why is this? As the majority of hobbyists must be aware, most of you
steal your software. Hardware must be paid for, but software is something
to share. Who cares if the people who worked on it get paid?
Is this fair? One thing you don't do by stealing software is get back at
MITS for some problem you may have had. MITS doesn't make money selling
software. The royalty paid to us, the manual, the tape and the overhead
make it a break-even operation. One thing you do do is prevent good
software from being written. Who can afford to do professional work for
nothing? What hobbyist can put 3-man years into programming, finding all
bugs, documenting his product and distribute for free? The fact is, no one
besides us has invested a lot of money in hobby software. We have written
6800 BASIC, and are writing 8080 APL and 6800 APL, but there is very
little incentive to make this software available to hobbyists. Most
directly, the thing you do is theft.
What about the guys who re-sell Altair BASIC, aren't they making money on
hobby software? Yes, but those who have been reported to us may lose in
the end. They are the ones who give hobbyists a bad name, and should be
kicked out of any club meeting they show up at.
I would appreciate letters from any one who wants to pay up, or has a
suggestion or comment. Just write me at 1180 Alvarado SE, #114,
Albuquerque, New Mexico 87108. Nothing would please me more than being
able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good
software.
Winmodem is something that uses CPU to create waveforms that will go to the DSP, that actually
sound like data line of regular modem.
MWaves, have their own processor that does this.
You upload microprograms and they toil away doing
whatever sound the device needs.
It also works as wavetable, where you upload
instuments to cards memory and software to take the samples mix them and output them into DAC.
very cool device, I wish they did have support for
it before. I'd rather use this that any of 'dumb' creative cards.
Paranonia breeds paranoia. Streess is everywhere
depressed people making comments, like that
obviously need help, not investigation.
Not a flame, but you are one of them, it seems,
that you would like to interrogate anyone who
says anything that would make you fear for your
life. Getting beat up is not a bad thing! You
learn from everything. Take every experience and
take whatever you can take from it.
Watch Fight Club.
Who said creative software development is dead?
I'd really like to see this happen, but it is has to overcome great obstacles, of complexities of webware.
Slashdot Mirror
Isn't it is called conspiracy for global monopoly
on media control? If the little chance it will
might take, to become real, I hope government
will bust this deal, because then companies will
be excersizing something of governmental powers
of orwellinan touch.
Consumrtism and pop-culture made that made
corporations, should be banished by every
individual concerned with the future of this
earth, and his own future.
I am sure this can be resolved using conventional
talking. After all programmers are ones that are
reasonable people. 1337 d00dz that blow their
temper, are no better than some of the flamboyant
people that float atop of the salary classes in
large places(read suits). 'Sue me' type deal,
that became rubber stamp for california living,
shall not be the moral temlate to everything
else that goes in this world.
Take a deep breath, and lay out what went wrong,
rate what what is important, on scale 1-10,
organize your thoughts, perhaps talk to your lawyer, AFTER you laid organized your thoughts.
Then by yourself try to contact the offender,
in calm way. If they are rude, perhaps they
have their reasons, people are people at the end
of the day, so don't respond to negative remarks
in negative way, be balanced. If logically stuff
is going no where after couple of months, or
couple of week, depending on how much time you
are spending of conflict resolution, contact lawyer. BTW, document everything! Get one of the recording machines, tape your calls, tape of
summarize on paper your conversations, make copies
of fax transmissions, print out email, store
everything in one folder.
If they wish not to reason with you
take all the documentation to the court and get
court to mitigate a reasonable conversation.
HTH,
It was nice living in a free country, where can I find the same now?
I'd be damned if this is not +2
Next major language. Gimme a break, most major
languages has been forced upon to us, like
COBOL, revolutionary, English like language.
Then there we byte compiled languages. No major
feat, just adding layers to isoltate things.
Really people have been adding layers everywhere.
So java took it over board, woo hoo...
I don't need a new language that I will have
to learn, because corporate mongers think I should. Improve on present ones.
There is no glory in impoving the old though...
just lots of effort reuse.
Make it easier? Here is a hype balloon that Sun
so eagerly tries to blow every time. Sometimes
it catches on, sometimes it doesn't. Bill Joy
is smart man and he made money at it.
I do not belive into stuff like easier, because
as always learning new infrastructures that
will make your life "easier" really means three things:
1. Spending more time educating yourself
2. trading things that you know by heart for new
easier methodology produced by a corporation
whose sole motive is to a. make money b. dominate
the world to keep making money.
3. Easier stuff means that inventors made it
easier to develop systems with tools that are
token sized.
New stuff in by no means bad. However computing
field being full of marketing people and others
who try to push their ideas into the wild, you
got to be really cautious of those hype bombs
that just may explode into your face.
Often people try to save their face, if they did
invest alot of time into something, stupid by
promoting it, thus justifying their effort.
Be cautios, do your homework, gain experience,
don't let misguided , misguide you =)
The backbone of NASA geek team was from Canada.
figure that, Canadians launched the first rocket
to the moon! heheh...
Ok this debate is prepetuated by publishing
industry over and over again for purpose of itself
When will we learn that any interpreted languages
are slower than compiled ones, like C++ and C,
and we just should use best language that fits the
task at hand, rather than reasoning what is faster
or better is some lofty unappliable way?
Consider this,
Team of developers is more expensive than rack of
fire breathing SCSI raid enabled with all power
extension rack of intel boxes. So hire two perl
geeks to do the job, if you want some big
dynamic website and give'em plenty of hardware,
instead of hiring a dozen of C/C++ or Java
developers to implement your site.
If you build a game, don't even think about any
of interpreted languages, or ones that even
started as interpreted, such as visual basic, java
or python. Stick with C++/C, you will benefit in
long run.
You want a cross platform gui that will interface
legacy severs around the world with little
resources on your side, get few Java hackers.
For gods sake, everyone should do their job to the
best and should not drag people into unproductive
holy wars like our assembler is better than your
assebler because it has more instructions...nyah
nyah...
just give it up people.
this prompts the death of the web. If your data
is so freely circulated over the net, including
any authentication or indentification information,
whats to stop lazy government workers taking
shortcuts doing misjustice and getting away with
it? Things like where few FBI officers that rack
up huge bills trying to catch elusive drug
trafficer. Now they just have to snoop few passwords
do plant of evidence on few of people's accounts,
and haul innocent person's ass into jail for life
or even execution, so that they will not be
caught for misappropriation of funds.
That is why I don't trust *anybody*. My computer
is as secure as a fortress - sufficently secure.
I do not use webmail services, except one hosted directly on my machine and used over ssl-128 bit.
Education of general computing populus about
encryption methods available today, is paradyne
of computer educated , encryption enlightened.
It was nice living in free county. Where can get the same again?
I would be charged based on data that is sold to
NSA by corporation for ananlysis on population
wide scan? WTF.
Canada was caught collecting data on all of its
citizens into one huge database. It is illegal by
canadian laws. They said that they have destroyed
it. Yeah right. Its like saying oh we just made
this a-bomb and we will forget that we even made it.
Truth is popluation is growing, so there is more
chances for very bad people to be out there.
Governments know that they want to tie everyone
into one knot and rule - its easier to police a
state with strong arm, then reason with state.
Presently there is a struggle by governments
to tie everybody into that big knot, so they can
black mail anybody, thus spending less money on
policing, thus be more popular with general
populus.
No it is liability issue. Someone can sue you and
have more chances to win now if offending traffic
has originated from your network and you don't
have any measures/time to trace such data, back
in time meaning logging of every fucking byte
that traverses your network to outside.
It is a blind sighted attemt to do something by
authorities who do not have any understanding of
of the internet(technology, communities, everything)
Think of it as a fat elephant trying to catch a
mouse. While it is is afraid of it, it has to
catch it, while it is really unable to do so,
because it has neither physical ablities nor cranial
functions to do that. So you get elephant that
jumps around as if it is own tail chasing, doing
whole lot of havoc around itself. Trying to calm
it would probably not work, using bare hands, so
all you can do is stand aside, whatch and be
amused. It is however not so amusing when elephant
is in small room jammed with entities, trying to do the same.(food for thought)
its like code bloat, except that now network
protocols are going to be stretched to the limits
of its spandexy vagueness.
Wait, 640K would be enough for everybody!
bugs == features
I hardly think that was a playoff off somebody's
reputation, because reputation was gained because
everybody used it. And everybody contributed.
OpenAL is great name, because it does make audio
libraries, sound like they are platform independent
And they are... so what is wrong with it?
Should they call ALO? that would be more confusing.
Lawyers for the SGI are shooting their own company
in the foot, because open[a-z]l may become the
naming convention for cross platform libraries out
there, just like lib*.so is, or x86 scheme that
used to be, and still is. For customers, us it is
great, not for ego bosses, that think company
should stand on its own and screw with people's
heads.
pavel
Both are to work for subsiduary of microsoft?
With worse and worse news coming about for the
microsoft harassing hell out of a companies,
why two mega men need to work for Active state?
They should but for O'Rielly. I would buy more
books from O'Rielly, if larry continues to produce
goodness he was until now. =)
that is schools in US are not allowed to do so,
but common practice here.
that reminds me an article in vancouver sun recently,
apparently schools are not allowed to experiment
with networking technologies, they must allow
local telcos provide that for them. There are
hight tech neighborhoods sprining up everywhere.
Most midpriced condos that are built now have 1-2 ethernet jacks in every room. 50% of residences in
downtown area over here are wired for 100Mbps
fiberlink.Two way. 80 bucks. 59US or so.
Go Canada go.
monopolies breed on indiffence, mediocricity
and shortage of innovation. Innovation, whereever
it is, means expenses, and it does not bode well
with short sighted PHB type individuals that run
the companies.
A monopoly does not have to have negative
connotation. If company strives for bettering of
the world around them and they do have effective
100% control of the market, that may be a good
thing for a while. But people will come and go,
and eventually lazy, incompetent and power hunry
types would make their way up the ladder and spoil
it all.
Let me see, if the company is superpowerful and
trying to move itself as fast as it can with
encouraging others to do so, it is a good company.
If company is trying to presevrve status quo they
have acquired in the market place, whatever they
call it, research for just enough info so they
can patent it, FUD etc. They deserve to be
disciplined, or dissolved.
There is more to replacing books, but simply
inventing something bettrer. One way it will happen,
technology is much cheaper and as easy to use as
books themselves are. The law is made that reading
paper books is illegal, so everyone hands them in
and starts to use new technology.
Other way, is it would offer nothing else was
offering to us before, like books were in the
beginning.
Simply being a better techology, is not always good
enough.
just 2c
taken from: http://www.eskimo.com/~matth/hobby.html
From "Historically Brewed" magazine:
And now it's time for the "ARE SOME THINGS BETTER LEFT UNSAID?" Department
The following is a reprint of a letter which Bill Gates, co-founder of
Microsoft, wrote and had published in the Homebrew Computer Club
newsletter on February 3, 1976.
Ouch Bill, take it easy guy!
An Open Letter to Hobbyists
To me, the most critical thing in the hobby market right now is the lack
of good software courses, books and software itself. Without good software
and an owner who understands programming, a hobby computer is wasted. Will
quality software be written for the hobby market?
Almost a year ago, Paul Allen and myself, expecting the hobby market to
expand, hired Monte Davidoff and developed Altair BASIC. Though the
initial work took only two months, the three of us have spent most of the
last year documenting, improving and adding features to BASIC. Now we have
4K, 8K, EXTENDED, ROM and DISK BASIC. The value of the computer time we
have used exceeds $40,000.
The feedback we have gotten from the hundreds of people who say they are
using BASIC has all been positive. Two surprising things are apparent,
however. 1) most of these "users" never bought BASIC (less than 10% of
all Altair owners have bought BASIC), and 2) The amount of royalties we
have received from sales to hobbyists makes the time spent on Altair BASIC
worth less than $2 an hour.
Why is this? As the majority of hobbyists must be aware, most of you
steal your software. Hardware must be paid for, but software is something
to share. Who cares if the people who worked on it get paid?
Is this fair? One thing you don't do by stealing software is get back at
MITS for some problem you may have had. MITS doesn't make money selling
software. The royalty paid to us, the manual, the tape and the overhead
make it a break-even operation. One thing you do do is prevent good
software from being written. Who can afford to do professional work for
nothing? What hobbyist can put 3-man years into programming, finding all
bugs, documenting his product and distribute for free? The fact is, no one
besides us has invested a lot of money in hobby software. We have written
6800 BASIC, and are writing 8080 APL and 6800 APL, but there is very
little incentive to make this software available to hobbyists. Most
directly, the thing you do is theft.
What about the guys who re-sell Altair BASIC, aren't they making money on
hobby software? Yes, but those who have been reported to us may lose in
the end. They are the ones who give hobbyists a bad name, and should be
kicked out of any club meeting they show up at.
I would appreciate letters from any one who wants to pay up, or has a
suggestion or comment. Just write me at 1180 Alvarado SE, #114,
Albuquerque, New Mexico 87108. Nothing would please me more than being
able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good
software.
Bill Gates
General Partner, Micro-Soft
Winmodem is something that uses CPU to create waveforms that will go to the DSP, that actually
sound like data line of regular modem.
MWaves, have their own processor that does this.
You upload microprograms and they toil away doing
whatever sound the device needs.
It also works as wavetable, where you upload
instuments to cards memory and software to take the samples mix them and output them into DAC.
very cool device, I wish they did have support for
it before. I'd rather use this that any of 'dumb' creative cards.
looks pertty sweet, with current hardware, it is a
must to have AA!
Yow!
We had one of these in the office, in company that
ceased to exist, they are interesting for limited
access terminals, and such. Hardware in diskless
slimlined cases is about year or two behind and
costs just as much. Great thing,though they have
'expected' diminshed breakdown rate, because of
absense of mechanical parts... that is expected.
that would infringe on DCMA. Cool however, If I had DriecTV ...
Paranonia breeds paranoia. Streess is everywhere
depressed people making comments, like that
obviously need help, not investigation.
Not a flame, but you are one of them, it seems,
that you would like to interrogate anyone who
says anything that would make you fear for your
life. Getting beat up is not a bad thing! You
learn from everything. Take every experience and
take whatever you can take from it.
Watch Fight Club.
Who said creative software development is dead?
I'd really like to see this happen, but it is has to overcome great obstacles, of complexities of webware.