And posting anonymously reveals the strength of your convictions pretty clearly, I think.
Meanwhile, the UN, EU, HRW and Amnesty have so little credbility left after cherry picking which human rights abusers they go after. The UN tends to put the world's worst offenders in charge of the project. You'll excuse me if I don't take them very seriously at all, even if once upon a time they were worthwhile organisations.
Thank you for highlighting the impossibly high standards to which Israel is held.
If nearly every country on Earth had been on the receiving end of terror and rocket attacks as had Israel, they would have bombed the origin of the missiles back to the stone age.
Yet if Israel harms a hair on a terrorist's head, you'll hear how "disproportionate" they were.
Well, if we want to play the numbers game, we can claim that the Israeli holocaust has lasted about 10 times as long as the Nazi holocaust (and the Israeli holocaust is still going strong).
Well, if you want to play the dishonest bullshit game, I suppose you can claim anything you want. It is still dishonest bullshit though.
Facts really aren't your strongpoint. So let me make it simple for you.
How can you have a "holocaust" where the victim population is growing?
The Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto weren't multiplying. They were being decimated.
Not only is your comparison offensive (and probably deliberately so) but it is so inaccurate it's amazing.
As for your claim that Israelis are much more likelyu to be killed by other Israelis, again you are mistaken. Intent matters.
I wasn't talking about Palestinian road fatalities, but internecine fighting. That is, Palestinians shooting at each other in the streets (something Israelis and most civilised nations' population don't do to each other).
More Palestinians were killed in fighting with other Palestinians than by Israel. Of course when Arabs shoot each other, you don't read about it. It's only when Jews are involved that everybody gets all hot and bothered.
For example, how many people were beheaded in Saudi Arabia this week? You don't know, but here you are getting all up in arms about a mere laptop being destroyed. Double Standards much?
without realising it, you are basically saying "they are just poor dumb Arabs, what could we possibly expect from them"?
It's also called a double standard. The double standards applied to Israel, the world's only Jewish state, are appalling and the background to them in many cases is obvious.
Arabs chop off someone's head? No big deal. Israelis shoot a laptop? Call Amnesty!
Most of the weapons at Ben Gurion airport are concealed, worn by very attractive officers as it happens. Sexy and deadly.
I saw plenty more German Shepherds and machine guns on display at Heathrow and Frankfurt airports, where the security was nowhere near as good when it all comes down to it. All show and no go.
Out of interest, if they had simply confiscated it without a trace, rather than shooting it (and offering her a refund) would we be having this discussion?
Try carrying a bible into Saudi Arabia, or a solid gold crucifix.
In just over four years of the 2nd Intifada, the total of Palestinian dead numbers just over 3,023 (BBC Numbers), including suicide bombers -- or an average of 2.26/day. If this is a genocide, then it has to be the most pathetic and lethargic genocide in history.
In fact -- the Palestinian Authority acknowledges a birth rate among PA territory Palestinians at 157 / day
So the Israelis would have to increase their alleged genocide by just under 7,000 per cent -- just to break even.
But go on... Call it a holocaust if it makes you feel better. It certainly isn't the truth. Nor do I imagine you'd care that more Palestinians were killed by other Palestinians in 2008, than by Israel.
Go on then. Tell us how her speech was limited in any way.
She's spouting her mouth off. Doesn't strike me as your typical prisoner of conscience. Just a spoiled attention whore who needed a dose of reality outside college campus.
Which members of her family have gone into hiding?
How long was she tortured for?
Oh, wait. I'm thinking of what happens to dissidents in Arab countries. In Israel, you get an apology and a cheque for a replacement laptop. Do tell us more, about how eeeeevil the Jewish state is. Your objectivity is remarkable!
Given the political statements on her laptop, one wonders what kind of provocation she might have tried with the guards. Exactly the sort that she would never try in an Arab country, where she would quietly disappear and it would be a very long time before she could post indignant messages on her blog like a spoiled little attention whore.
You are quite right about the TSA and the matter would receive no attention at all, except for the fact Israel was involved and some people can't help themselves.
most rational people understand that baiting Israelis is a rather dangerous sport.
I guess we can conclude that the Arabs aren't rational then. They've been baiting the Jewish state for the last century and always act surprised when they get their asses handed to them. Then again, you've got to question the rationale of someone who regards their child blowing himself up, as a good thing.
As for taunting border guards, a good rule of thumb is: Never hassle a guy who has the legal right and authority to fist your ass.
Why the hell was the above post marked "informative" when the writer is clueless?
They are not trying to set off explosives, plastic or otherwise, by shooting at it.
They are trying to interrupt the detonation in order to render a device safe.
I am calling bullshit on your qualifications, which I suspect involved a desk, plenty of videogames and occasionally playing with some toys at a tradeshow you shouldn't have attended, as opposed to any field experience.
I really was a Munitions Systems Specialist in the military.
Besides not getting primary charges and detonators confused, anyone who really was an anything, wouldn't have to preface it by saying "really", like an excited teenager. Go back to playing X-Box.
Congratulations. You know fuck all about EOD and bomb disposal, but were so busy with your little tirade, you didn't bother doing the most basic research before trying to bignote yourself.
It took me 10 seconds to find this video of a bomb disposal robot firing a shotgun into a suspicious package in downtown Tel Aviv.
That's about half as long as it would have taken you to write your clueless little rant about fascism and other irrelevant nonsense.
"Please give me a single reference where in any modern world (modern being after XV century) police or military forces protocol, says that you should soot [sic] an object suspect of harboring explosive charges !"
Waah waah waah... She is obviously a troublemaker and she was identified as one. Moreover, they are going to send her a cheque.
I defy her, you or anyone to start mouthing off at an Egyptian or Iranian airport and see where you end up. It won't be in a queue filling out paperwork.
Personally, I think getting my laptop blown to shit would be a great story, and luckily I have a backup of its contents. The anti-Israel hysteria here is appalling.
They are not trying to blow up an explosive by shooting it. They are trying to interrupt a timing mechanism, circuitry or other actuator, which would prevent the bomb from blowing up and render a device safe.
Actually, it seems most people didn't read the part where he referred to: "access my banking, credit card, and investment accounts".
Instead of getting caught up in VPNs and other technical band-aids, he should be demanding that his bank provide a form of two-factor authentication such as a token, scratch-card or SMS, which should all work fine overseas.
Beyond that, I am willing to assume he's bumming around South America, not doing big business, so that should be most of the problem resolved, as long as he can live with someone potentially reading his oh-so-secret Facebook account etc.
I suspect you are that thin sliver of humanity that takes their laptop with them everywhere, including expensive dinner and shows, as opposed to leaving them in an ostensibly secure hotel room.
Either that or you've never been invited to do business in a foreign country (or outside your parent's basement).
Where exactly do you leave your laptop when you're getting the massage?
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And posting anonymously reveals the strength of your convictions pretty clearly, I think.
Meanwhile, the UN, EU, HRW and Amnesty have so little credbility left after cherry picking which human rights abusers they go after. The UN tends to put the world's worst offenders in charge of the project. You'll excuse me if I don't take them very seriously at all, even if once upon a time they were worthwhile organisations.
Thank you for highlighting the impossibly high standards to which Israel is held.
If nearly every country on Earth had been on the receiving end of terror and rocket attacks as had Israel, they would have bombed the origin of the missiles back to the stone age.
Yet if Israel harms a hair on a terrorist's head, you'll hear how "disproportionate" they were.
Well, if we want to play the numbers game, we can claim that the Israeli holocaust has lasted about 10 times as long as the Nazi holocaust (and the Israeli holocaust is still going strong).
Well, if you want to play the dishonest bullshit game, I suppose you can claim anything you want. It is still dishonest bullshit though.
Facts really aren't your strongpoint. So let me make it simple for you.
How can you have a "holocaust" where the victim population is growing?
The Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto weren't multiplying. They were being decimated.
Not only is your comparison offensive (and probably deliberately so) but it is so inaccurate it's amazing.
As for your claim that Israelis are much more likelyu to be killed by other Israelis, again you are mistaken. Intent matters.
I wasn't talking about Palestinian road fatalities, but internecine fighting. That is, Palestinians shooting at each other in the streets (something Israelis and most civilised nations' population don't do to each other).
More Palestinians were killed in fighting with other Palestinians than by Israel. Of course when Arabs shoot each other, you don't read about it. It's only when Jews are involved that everybody gets all hot and bothered.
For example, how many people were beheaded in Saudi Arabia this week? You don't know, but here you are getting all up in arms about a mere laptop being destroyed. Double Standards much?
Mate, try bringing a watermelon into an Australian airport. It will be thrown in an incinerator bin before you know it.
Are they also trampling your freedom and committing human rights violations?
Which is essentially a racist view.
without realising it, you are basically saying "they are just poor dumb Arabs, what could we possibly expect from them"?
It's also called a double standard. The double standards applied to Israel, the world's only Jewish state, are appalling and the background to them in many cases is obvious.
Arabs chop off someone's head? No big deal. Israelis shoot a laptop? Call Amnesty!
Google can answer that for you.
Most of the weapons at Ben Gurion airport are concealed, worn by very attractive officers as it happens. Sexy and deadly.
I saw plenty more German Shepherds and machine guns on display at Heathrow and Frankfurt airports, where the security was nowhere near as good when it all comes down to it. All show and no go.
Yes, but a wonderfully effective way to deal with a spoiled teenage brat.
Out of interest, if they had simply confiscated it without a trace, rather than shooting it (and offering her a refund) would we be having this discussion?
Try carrying a bible into Saudi Arabia, or a solid gold crucifix.
You are an idiot if you believe those are your only two choices.
It is possible that a modern liberal democracy can smack the crap out of terrorists, whilst maintaining the rule of law and freedom for its citizens.
Israel is a good example.
On the upside, there is another idiot present, who has marked your comment as insightful.
In just over four years of the 2nd Intifada, the total of Palestinian dead numbers just over 3,023 (BBC Numbers), including suicide bombers -- or an average of 2.26/day. If this is a genocide, then it has to be the most pathetic and lethargic genocide in history.
In fact -- the Palestinian Authority acknowledges a birth rate among PA territory Palestinians at 157 / day
So the Israelis would have to increase their alleged genocide by just under 7,000 per cent -- just to break even.
But go on... Call it a holocaust if it makes you feel better. It certainly isn't the truth. Nor do I imagine you'd care that more Palestinians were killed by other Palestinians in 2008, than by Israel.
You are a liar and an antisemite. Fuck off.
Go on then. Tell us how her speech was limited in any way.
She's spouting her mouth off. Doesn't strike me as your typical prisoner of conscience. Just a spoiled attention whore who needed a dose of reality outside college campus.
Get a grip.
They shot her laptop. That's it. Not her, not her family, just a laptop.
When you bring stuff into Australia that they don't like, guess what? They incinerate it. It just doesn't get a writeup on Slashdot.
She should have tried carrying a Gideon's Bible into Saudi Arabia and seen how long it would be before she could update her blog. Get over yourself.
Exactly how was her speech restricted?
Which prison is she currently rotting in?
Which members of her family have gone into hiding?
How long was she tortured for?
Oh, wait. I'm thinking of what happens to dissidents in Arab countries. In Israel, you get an apology and a cheque for a replacement laptop. Do tell us more, about how eeeeevil the Jewish state is. Your objectivity is remarkable!
Given the political statements on her laptop, one wonders what kind of provocation she might have tried with the guards.
Exactly the sort that she would never try in an Arab country, where she would quietly disappear and it would be a very long time before she could post indignant messages on her blog like a spoiled little attention whore.
You are quite right about the TSA and the matter would receive no attention at all, except for the fact Israel was involved and some people can't help themselves.
most rational people understand that baiting Israelis is a rather dangerous sport.
I guess we can conclude that the Arabs aren't rational then. They've been baiting the Jewish state for the last century and always act surprised when they get their asses handed to them. Then again, you've got to question the rationale of someone who regards their child blowing himself up, as a good thing.
As for taunting border guards, a good rule of thumb is: Never hassle a guy who has the legal right and authority to fist your ass.
Why the hell was the above post marked "informative" when the writer is clueless?
They are not trying to set off explosives, plastic or otherwise, by shooting at it.
They are trying to interrupt the detonation in order to render a device safe.
I am calling bullshit on your qualifications, which I suspect involved a desk, plenty of videogames and occasionally playing with some toys at a tradeshow you shouldn't have attended, as opposed to any field experience.
I really was a Munitions Systems Specialist in the military.
Besides not getting primary charges and detonators confused, anyone who really was an anything, wouldn't have to preface it by saying "really", like an excited teenager. Go back to playing X-Box.
What colour was the boathouse at Hereford?
Congratulations. You know fuck all about EOD and bomb disposal, but were so busy with your little tirade, you didn't bother doing the most basic research before trying to bignote yourself.
It took me 10 seconds to find this video of a bomb disposal robot firing a shotgun into a suspicious package in downtown Tel Aviv.
That's about half as long as it would have taken you to write your clueless little rant about fascism and other irrelevant nonsense.
"Please give me a single reference where in any modern world (modern being after XV century) police or military forces protocol, says that you should soot [sic] an object suspect of harboring explosive charges !"
Fail.
Waah waah waah... She is obviously a troublemaker and she was identified as one. Moreover, they are going to send her a cheque.
I defy her, you or anyone to start mouthing off at an Egyptian or Iranian airport and see where you end up. It won't be in a queue filling out paperwork.
Personally, I think getting my laptop blown to shit would be a great story, and luckily I have a backup of its contents. The anti-Israel hysteria here is appalling.
They are not trying to blow up an explosive by shooting it. They are trying to interrupt a timing mechanism, circuitry or other actuator, which would prevent the bomb from blowing up and render a device safe.
Actually, it seems most people didn't read the part where he referred to: "access my banking, credit card, and investment accounts".
Instead of getting caught up in VPNs and other technical band-aids, he should be demanding that his bank provide a form of two-factor authentication such as a token, scratch-card or SMS, which should all work fine overseas.
Beyond that, I am willing to assume he's bumming around South America, not doing big business, so that should be most of the problem resolved, as long as he can live with someone potentially reading his oh-so-secret Facebook account etc.
Can you get it to run on Windows?
I suspect you are that thin sliver of humanity that takes their laptop with them everywhere, including expensive dinner and shows, as opposed to leaving them in an ostensibly secure hotel room.
Either that or you've never been invited to do business in a foreign country (or outside your parent's basement).
Where exactly do you leave your laptop when you're getting the massage?
So you're saying these people "With a computer" need to watch some kind of Google Earth simulation, and not (say) the video we all just watched?
Question: Would you rather watch Terminator, or read the screenplay and view the storyboards...
Just call them the 'Tech Department' or the 'Engineering Deptartment?'" [sic]
The spelling Deptartment just called. They need more budget.
It would generate more interest in Google. It would do nothing for NASA, compared to (say) IMAX and the video you just saw.
Oh, and towing Rosie O'Donnell behind the rockets.