You're right. The linux.org website doesn't add junk to netscape 4.7. It's an equal opportunity website and trashes up any browser that connects to it.
Intel has a lot of resources to 'fab another die.' Heck, their next die-shrink is already on a schedule. And they have production capacity that is staggering. (one of the things that AMD does NOT have)
Transmeta has a lot of capital sunk into development, and their only revenue stream right now is that light up there, at the end of the tunnel. They won't be refabbing until they've sold their current part to somebody. Count on it.
Anybody who has $3000 to spend on a 'home computing solution' already has a number of boxes. And probably already has a lot of software s/he plans to run on any additional computers s/he purchases. It just doesn't seem like there would be much of a market for a prefab 'fleet' of home computers bought as a set. Not at a $3K price tag, anyway.
Your idea does sound like the perfect way to sink a company like VA Linux. Get them to spend a lot of capital designing it, then when nobody comes they get hauled into bankruptcy.
I'd rather own the wiring in my walls, and be able to upgrade it at will, than have to deal with 'Central Services' (ob. 'Brazil' reference) tearing into the walls anytime they liked, and prohibiting me from doing anything to it.
I was a US West customer about six months ago. I established a dialup account with them with the understanding that they would be billing me direct on my phone bill. A few months later I switched to Earthlink. I called up US West and told them to get rid of my account.
About two weeks ago I decided to give US West another try. I connected to their website to establish another account. When I submitted my phone number, it told me there was already an account at that phone number. So I dug out my old dialup settings for the US West account. Lo and behold it still works! And they've never, ever, charged me a dime for the account on my phone bill. My account must have slipped into a crack in the floor or something.
My friend has a DSL account with US West. He claims his phone bill since getting DSL (just a single line of regular service in addition to the DSL) has never been less than $70 a month.
So I would say that the 'slightly higher fee is more than infinitely times higher, at least in my case, since even infinity times zero dollars doesn't equal 70 dollars.
If I need broadband, say to grab the latest NetBSD ISO or some more Slackware, I can connect to my workplace (SecureID dialup) and telnet into an OS/2 machine at night and manually FTP a whole 600MB.ISO in less than an hour. I have a CD burner at work to bring it home.
Canada didn't gain independence until 1867 as a result. So they went through most of the 'industrial revolution' as a colony, and suffered the consequences.
People who want to share copyrighted files over Napster should be required to specific permission from the content owner for each and every single transfer of that content. That means every time you request a download, you have to get permission from the content owner first.
That's the same sort of logic that 'specific account, specific violation, delete account' games use.
Here in the United States the drug companies have to pay extortion to the FDA just to be allowed to market their products here. In Mexico there isn't a big building full of bureaucrats driving up the cost of marketing and developing drugs. The FDA is also the reason drugs take a year or more longer to be available in the US.
Sharply cut back the authority of the FDA, allow the private media to keep a close eye on what the drug companies do (to keep 'em honest) and drug prices will fall.
Of course, that isn't a very liberal thing for me to say. O0ps. Sorry.
The following was overheard in a chatroom on AOL recently:
-------------------- Smedley: dude, did you put the Quake III CD in your drive yet? Fester: yep, it's there now. go ahead. Smedley: okay, I'll start up the CDR drive. --------------------
Yep. People are using CDR drives to copy CD-ROMs and Music CD's right across the internet. It happens in chatrooms all across the country. There's a new plugin for AIM specifically for that purpose.
MIPS per Watt will only be a meaningful meausre if it includes all the watts necessary to deliver those MIPS to a user. In other words, make sure the rest of the computer is included, or it's a meaningless measure.
In this vein, Transmeta looses badly. Unless referring to a monochrome non-backlit LCD display, no hard drive, etc., the power that the CPU itself consumes is a fragment of the whole power equation for a machine.
But don't listen to me: Look at that cool Transmeta smoke and mirror show!! Neat!
You made that mistake again of assuming that every low-cost computer user is concerned with the framerate of Quake 3. They are not. Many people want a computer for simple tasks like sending email, participating in Online Chat, casual browsing of the WWW. For tasks such as these the CPU won't be the bottleneck for a long time to come. The market should decide on things like this, and carving $50 off the cost of a low end PC by putting in a Cyrix chip is a winning proposition.
Yes, it's distressing to people like you, who want everybody to subsidize your Quake III framerate by forcing them to buy overcapacity. (i.e. you'll badmouth and slime any manufacturer who doesn't fill your needs, and who threatens your perceived mandate that every little granny who wants to send email go out and buy an Athlon)
Deal with it.
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You have forgotten one detail:
This is NOT Usenet!
On Usenet discussion threads sometimes last for months. I've poked my head into newsgroups I've not visited in months only to discover the same title on a thread that's about something completely different than the last time I checked in.
On Slashdot, discussion threads last at most for two days.
Godwin's law applies to the sort of long drawn-out messages I describe above. Here on/. it's important to get your opinion in fast and succinct, because it's likely nobody at all will ever read it if you're more than a few hours into the discussion. Here, dropping a Nazi or two into a comment just provides some color.
Granted a Nazi comparison is still an incredibly weak way to make an arguement, on Usenet,/., or anywhere. It's just not a very descriptive word anymore in common usage (unless referring to a literal National Socialist).
Historically ad copy gets generated on Macintosh computers, as pre-press layout is one of Apples biggest niche markets. It makes sense that when they need a screen shot for a computer ad, they'll throw in something they generated locally.
At least in some cases the layout artist is enjoying the irony when putting together an ad for a Windows PC.
It's just hard to believe that on a supposedly 'tech' site like this I can scroll down through dozens and dozens of comments and find not a single one that talks about the technical innovations (or lack thereof) of this new processor from Intel.
Now, I know Intel wouldn't dare (or would they?) release a 'next generation' of chips without having some technical improvements and/or significant architecture changes.
Instead, the flouncy Slashdotters rant and rave and carry on about the brand name. Come on guys, can't we do better than that? What are the substantive improvements in this part over the previous generation (the Pentium III)?
On the other hand, I don't see a single thing about any technical change in this part? Where do I download the data sheet? All I could find was a link to download an even bigger bitmap of the new logo.
Ummm, am I wrong? Is the only thing new about the Pentium 4 the branding??
Yikes! (having scanned the whole press release) This is scary! No technical details at all???
I guess you guys were working with as much info as Intel has provided...
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They are using CPM/86. Obviously it's Caldera, at it again.
You're right. The linux.org website doesn't add junk to netscape 4.7. It's an equal opportunity website and trashes up any browser that connects to it.
Intel has a lot of resources to 'fab another die.' Heck, their next die-shrink is already on a schedule. And they have production capacity that is staggering. (one of the things that AMD does NOT have)
Transmeta has a lot of capital sunk into development, and their only revenue stream right now is that light up there, at the end of the tunnel. They won't be refabbing until they've sold their current part to somebody. Count on it.
I don't think so.
Anybody who has $3000 to spend on a 'home computing solution' already has a number of boxes. And probably already has a lot of software s/he plans to run on any additional computers s/he purchases. It just doesn't seem like there would be much of a market for a prefab 'fleet' of home computers bought as a set. Not at a $3K price tag, anyway.
Your idea does sound like the perfect way to sink a company like VA Linux. Get them to spend a lot of capital designing it, then when nobody comes they get hauled into bankruptcy.
Yes. My USR Courier says 'V.everything' on it's front badge, and it started out as an x2, so it better be possible to upgrade it from v.90 to v.92.
I'd rather own the wiring in my walls, and be able to upgrade it at will, than have to deal with 'Central Services' (ob. 'Brazil' reference) tearing into the walls anytime they liked, and prohibiting me from doing anything to it.
For a slightly higher fee?
.ISO in less than an hour. I have a CD burner at work to bring it home.
I have an amusing anecdote to tell.
I was a US West customer about six months ago. I established a dialup account with them with the understanding that they would be billing me direct on my phone bill. A few months later I switched to Earthlink. I called up US West and told them to get rid of my account.
About two weeks ago I decided to give US West another try. I connected to their website to establish another account. When I submitted my phone number, it told me there was already an account at that phone number. So I dug out my old dialup settings for the US West account. Lo and behold it still works! And they've never, ever, charged me a dime for the account on my phone bill. My account must have slipped into a crack in the floor or something.
My friend has a DSL account with US West. He claims his phone bill since getting DSL (just a single line of regular service in addition to the DSL) has never been less than $70 a month.
So I would say that the 'slightly higher fee is more than infinitely times higher, at least in my case, since even infinity times zero dollars doesn't equal 70 dollars.
If I need broadband, say to grab the latest NetBSD ISO or some more Slackware, I can connect to my workplace (SecureID dialup) and telnet into an OS/2 machine at night and manually FTP a whole 600MB
Canada didn't gain independence until 1867 as a result. So they went through most of the 'industrial revolution' as a colony, and suffered the consequences.
They're 'independent' now. So is Zimbabwe.
How can a chain restraunt be the best in a town that was practically built on cows?
They must be doing a good job.
And these NeXT computers would run on finely crafted, hand carved silicon chips??
That's chickenshit logic and everybody knows it.
People who want to share copyrighted files over Napster should be required to specific permission from the content owner for each and every single transfer of that content. That means every time you request a download, you have to get permission from the content owner first.
That's the same sort of logic that 'specific account, specific violation, delete account' games use.
Here in the United States the drug companies have to pay extortion to the FDA just to be allowed to market their products here. In Mexico there isn't a big building full of bureaucrats driving up the cost of marketing and developing drugs. The FDA is also the reason drugs take a year or more longer to be available in the US.
Sharply cut back the authority of the FDA, allow the private media to keep a close eye on what the drug companies do (to keep 'em honest) and drug prices will fall.
Of course, that isn't a very liberal thing for me to say. O0ps. Sorry.
The following was overheard in a chatroom on AOL recently:
--------------------
Smedley: dude, did you put the Quake III CD in your drive yet?
Fester: yep, it's there now. go ahead.
Smedley: okay, I'll start up the CDR drive.
--------------------
Yep. People are using CDR drives to copy CD-ROMs and Music CD's right across the internet. It happens in chatrooms all across the country. There's a new plugin for AIM specifically for that purpose.
Uh-huh.
Ah yes, "Rough Boys" off the Empty Glass album.
That would be Townshend's tribute to the Sex Pistols, written, ummm... back in the late 70's when Pete was starting to feel old....
Hmmm....
Godwin's law doesn't apply to Slashdot threads.
It applies to Usenet threads that often run on and on for weeks and months.
The discussions on Slashdot die after a day and a half by design. Not enough time for Godwin's law to even become relevant.
Gonna sic Ralph Nader and the Green Gang on me because I have a Mac SE/30 running NetBSD that logs huge amounts of uptime?
Ah, but there soon will be a net-wide security standard. It will, of course, be based on features in IPV6.
I'm not bemoaning that reality, by the way. It will clear up a lot of the growing pains of the net thus far.
The under-13 portion of their userbase is probably the portion they get the least direct revenue from.
They're probably not weeping over it.
Ummm, you've long been an AMD fan? I have a few chips to remind you of, then.
I have this AMD '486' chip that fits into a 386 socket. It makes a 386-25 into a 486-50 *snicker*
I have this K5 chip. *snicker*
Or is *long time* a relative term, and you've been running Linux a *long time* too, since the 2.0 kernel release??
MIPS per Watt will only be a meaningful meausre if it includes all the watts necessary to deliver those MIPS to a user. In other words, make sure the rest of the computer is included, or it's a meaningless measure.
In this vein, Transmeta looses badly. Unless referring to a monochrome non-backlit LCD display, no hard drive, etc., the power that the CPU itself consumes is a fragment of the whole power equation for a machine.
But don't listen to me: Look at that cool Transmeta smoke and mirror show!! Neat!
You made that mistake again of assuming that every low-cost computer user is concerned with the framerate of Quake 3. They are not. Many people want a computer for simple tasks like sending email, participating in Online Chat, casual browsing of the WWW. For tasks such as these the CPU won't be the bottleneck for a long time to come. The market should decide on things like this, and carving $50 off the cost of a low end PC by putting in a Cyrix chip is a winning proposition.
Yes, it's distressing to people like you, who want everybody to subsidize your Quake III framerate by forcing them to buy overcapacity. (i.e. you'll badmouth and slime any manufacturer who doesn't fill your needs, and who threatens your perceived mandate that every little granny who wants to send email go out and buy an Athlon)
Deal with it.
You have forgotten one detail:
/. it's important to get your opinion in fast and succinct, because it's likely nobody at all will ever read it if you're more than a few hours into the discussion. Here, dropping a Nazi or two into a comment just provides some color.
/., or anywhere. It's just not a very descriptive word anymore in common usage (unless referring to a literal National Socialist).
This is NOT Usenet!
On Usenet discussion threads sometimes last for months. I've poked my head into newsgroups I've not visited in months only to discover the same title on a thread that's about something completely different than the last time I checked in.
On Slashdot, discussion threads last at most for two days.
Godwin's law applies to the sort of long drawn-out messages I describe above. Here on
Granted a Nazi comparison is still an incredibly weak way to make an arguement, on Usenet,
Why stop at unplugging the fan? Why not also hire your kid brother to stand there blowing a hair drier into the opening where the fan was.
If you're going to be a complete idiot, do it with flair, I say.
Historically ad copy gets generated on Macintosh computers, as pre-press layout is one of Apples biggest niche markets. It makes sense that when they need a screen shot for a computer ad, they'll throw in something they generated locally.
At least in some cases the layout artist is enjoying the irony when putting together an ad for a Windows PC.
It's just hard to believe that on a supposedly 'tech' site like this I can scroll down through dozens and dozens of comments and find not a single one that talks about the technical innovations (or lack thereof) of this new processor from Intel.
Now, I know Intel wouldn't dare (or would they?) release a 'next generation' of chips without having some technical improvements and/or significant architecture changes.
Instead, the flouncy Slashdotters rant and rave and carry on about the brand name. Come on guys, can't we do better than that? What are the substantive improvements in this part over the previous generation (the Pentium III)?
On the other hand, I don't see a single thing about any technical change in this part? Where do I download the data sheet? All I could find was a link to download an even bigger bitmap of the new logo.
Ummm, am I wrong? Is the only thing new about the Pentium 4 the branding??
Yikes! (having scanned the whole press release) This is scary! No technical details at all???
I guess you guys were working with as much info as Intel has provided...