Ron Paul and most Libertarians also said not to fill the census. Why? Because the census questions violate the Bill of Rights, sections 9 and 10. The only legal question is, "How many people live at this address?" for the purpose of enumeration, per the constitution. Any other questions about your income, color, sex, and so on violates our 9th and 10th Amendment rights. (Rights are reserved to the People..... the Congress shall not exercise powers never given to it.) .
>>>her recent claim that the founding fathers were against slavery, and "worked tirelessly" to get rid of it were another one.
But that's true. Slavery was outlawed in every State north of Maryland immediately in 1776. The first president of the Congress was a black man. And down south, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison submitted numerous bills to have slavery banned in Virginia because they recognized "all people" deserve the right to be free.
Even in the Constitution itself, slavery states were punished by only counting slaves as 3/5th people... thereby giving these states fewer votes in the central government. It was also a way to encourage the slave states to free blacks and thereby increase their Congressional representation by +20% (approximately).
As black man Frederick Douglas observed: The Constitution is an ANTI-slavery document.
>>>You had one and only one choice for service both before and after the breakup.
(pulls up phone website). You're wrong. I see almost 100 different companies listed here. I can choose any of them, and in any order I please (like ATT for local calling and MCI for long distance and Verizon for in-state calling). Or I could choose some lesser-known company like Suburban Phone.
That is a LOT better than the old monopoly where I had to buy an ATT line, had to buy an ATT phone, and had to buy an ATT 1200 baud modem.
Pentiums didn't exist 20 years ago (1990). People would have been using 80486s or 68040s (Macs,Ataris,Commodore Amigas) with a top speed of 33 or 40 MHz.
By your logic, there is no limit to what the U.S. congress can do. Might as well take the 50 State Legislatures and raze them to the ground, and let congress run everything.
"The States can best govern our home concerns and the general government our foreign ones. I wish, therefore... never to see all offices transferred to Washington, where, further withdrawn from the eyes of the people, they may more secretly be bought and sold at market." ----- "The opinion which gives the justices power to decide what is constitutional or not constitutional, makes the Judiciary a despotic oligarchy over the other two branches, and the State Legislatures." - Thomas Jefferson
>>>You simpletons didn't care one wit when George W Bush overreached his authority or when Congress passed the Patriot act.
Yes I did. You make a false ASSumption. I never voted for George Duh. First because I thought he was dumb. Second time because I was opposed to the war/spying that Bush passed.
Hello Governor Rendell. Welcome to/. - you liberals are all alike: going round insulting people because you assume we are all idiots. I have an IQ of 135. Implying I am stupid or incapable of researching SCOTUS cases? Flat wrong.
Next I suppose you'll compare us small-government, constitutionally-limited, Jeffersonian followers to be like Nazi propagandist Goebbels..... oh wait, that just happened yesterday. Nice insults. And they do NOTHING to persuade me.
Interstate commerce doesn't apply to businesses (ex: Pittsburgh Cable) who only serve customers INSIDE a member state.
INTRAstate commerce is outside the role of the central union government. The SCOTUS has made that ruling several times, most recently when they overturned a US Law to ban guns outside schools ("it is intrastate commerce, not 'commerce among the states'"). If Pittsburgh Cable is selling service and collecting money from that area, they never cross state lines. It's just like a farmer who raises chickens, and never sells to anyone outside PA (although he might have tourists from Ohio or Virginia stopping at his stand). The farmer is not subject to federal/congressional legislation because HE, personally, never crossed the border.
If the Founders had intended Congress to regulate *all* markets, then they would have written that in the Constitution. Since they specifically limited to commerce ACROSS the lines, clearly that's all they desired, and they intended INTRAstate commerce to remain *outside* the central government's control.
No need to abolish anything. Just amend the Constitution to make the EPA/FCC legal. I would support such an action rather than ignore our Bill of Rights, part 10.
Unless you can show me an ISP that only handles traffic within its own state
I can but the list is thousands of companies long. With names like MOM&popISP or County XXX Cable or Suburban Cable and so on. Since these are only involved in INTRAstate commerce, the union government has zero authority.
Ex post facto laws are unconstitutional. Verizon received that money with No Strings attached. The US Government can not later append rules to the money after the fact - that's illegal.
However the STATES could regulate Verizon, since verizon is on state land. Still: That means the FCC has zero authority. State land belongs to the Member State, not the FCC.
Disagree. Just because you accept money from the government (example: scholarship, unemployment, subsidy for a hybrid,diesel,electric,or other green car) should not mean the government automatically gains authority to regulate everything: your person, your property, your home. And yet: That's what you just argued.
I think the solution is to use the Sherman Antitrust Act to break-up the local Cable/ISP monopolies. Also the public lands belong to the MEMBER STATES not the Central Union government or the FCC. The FCC has zero authority to regulate lands owned by State Legislatures. Only the local state politicians have that authority.
(Cmon people - this isn't hard. It's called separation of powers between States and the federal.)
If Congress says to you, "You are not subject to 'no antennas on roofs' neighborhood housing rules per the 1996 Telecommunications Act," that doesn't automagically give them authority to demand you paint your house white. INSTEAD you must first read the Constitution and find where the Member States granted authority to the Congress (or FCC) to regulate the color of your house. The answer is: They didn't (amend.10).
private cables rely on poles and underground tunnels on public land
Yes but that public land is owned by the STATE not the FCC. The commission (and the us congress) has zero authority to regulate lands owned by the Member State Government/legislature.
FCC are proposing no such thing as censoring.
Well you're right and I'm wrong. That's true. But the Congress has introduced bills to give the FCC authority to regulate what can/cannot be said on *private* cable channels and private news websites. That shouldn't be allowed (violates amendments 5, 14, 9, and most importantly: 10). But you're right: Has no relevance to net neutrality. It's a separate issue and I shouldn't have mentioned it.
Don't know, but obviously the government should say "NO" every time a private company begs for money. The company has no right to raid the taxpayer (our) wallets for cash. I consider that theft.
The FCC has authority over the public EM spectrum (as given to them by Congress) such as radio. They have no authority over private cables owned by private companies purchased by private homeowners. Nor do they have authority to censor content on the private cables.
Wonder if she threw a teeth-grinding "you are all a bunch of loons" temper tantrum like Governor Rendell did? Thanks for representing my state. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7220372n &client=seamonkey
Don't have a cow, man.
- Actually this topic is about the MOZILLA browser called firefox. I was merely suggesting people take a look at MOZILLA'S other browser which uses the same Mozilla/5.0 Gecko engine. If you don't want to do that, then don't..... but I thought other people might like to be made aware of MOZILLA's other options.
Other browsers don't have the huge numbers of Addons that Firefox has. For example I still haven't found a 3GP Youtube downloader for seamonkey or opera, but firefox has several of them*. So..... advantage firefox.
* * When they work. I notice none of the 3GB addons have worked since thanksgiving. Youtube altered their video code to block downloads.:-|
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Ron Paul and most Libertarians also said not to fill the census.
Why?
Because the census questions violate the Bill of Rights, sections 9 and 10. The only legal question is, "How many people live at this address?" for the purpose of enumeration, per the constitution. Any other questions about your income, color, sex, and so on violates our 9th and 10th Amendment rights. (Rights are reserved to the People..... the Congress shall not exercise powers never given to it.)
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>>>her recent claim that the founding fathers were against slavery, and "worked tirelessly" to get rid of it were another one.
But that's true. Slavery was outlawed in every State north of Maryland immediately in 1776. The first president of the Congress was a black man. And down south, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison submitted numerous bills to have slavery banned in Virginia because they recognized "all people" deserve the right to be free.
Even in the Constitution itself, slavery states were punished by only counting slaves as 3/5th people... thereby giving these states fewer votes in the central government. It was also a way to encourage the slave states to free blacks and thereby increase their Congressional representation by +20% (approximately).
As black man Frederick Douglas observed: The Constitution is an ANTI-slavery document.
>>>You had one and only one choice for service both before and after the breakup.
(pulls up phone website). You're wrong. I see almost 100 different companies listed here. I can choose any of them, and in any order I please (like ATT for local calling and MCI for long distance and Verizon for in-state calling). Or I could choose some lesser-known company like Suburban Phone.
That is a LOT better than the old monopoly where I had to buy an ATT line, had to buy an ATT phone, and had to buy an ATT 1200 baud modem.
That was my point. We need to break-up the monopolies. Net neutrality treats the symptom, while breaking the monopolies cures the disease.
>>>watch Beck's show, right?
Yeah actually I do. I watch Rachel Maddow even though I disagree with almost everything she says. It's a way to keep informed about the other side.
Pentiums didn't exist 20 years ago (1990). People would have been using 80486s or 68040s (Macs,Ataris,Commodore Amigas) with a top speed of 33 or 40 MHz.
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By your logic, there is no limit to what the U.S. congress can do. Might as well take the 50 State Legislatures and raze them to the ground, and let congress run everything.
"The States can best govern our home concerns and the general government our foreign ones. I wish, therefore... never to see all offices transferred to Washington, where, further withdrawn from the eyes of the people, they may more secretly be bought and sold at market." ----- "The opinion which gives the justices power to decide what is constitutional or not constitutional, makes the Judiciary a despotic oligarchy over the other two branches, and the State Legislatures." - Thomas Jefferson
>>>You simpletons didn't care one wit when George W Bush overreached his authority or when Congress passed the Patriot act.
Yes I did.
You make a false ASSumption.
I never voted for George Duh. First because I thought he was dumb.
Second time because I was opposed to the war/spying that Bush passed.
INTERSTATE COMMERCE. Go look it up.
Douche bag.
Hello Governor Rendell. Welcome to /. - you liberals are all alike: going round insulting people because you assume we are all idiots. I have an IQ of 135. Implying I am stupid or incapable of researching SCOTUS cases? Flat wrong.
Next I suppose you'll compare us small-government, constitutionally-limited, Jeffersonian followers to be like Nazi propagandist Goebbels..... oh wait, that just happened yesterday. Nice insults. And they do NOTHING to persuade me.
Interstate commerce doesn't apply to businesses (ex: Pittsburgh Cable) who only serve customers INSIDE a member state.
INTRAstate commerce is outside the role of the central union government. The SCOTUS has made that ruling several times, most recently when they overturned a US Law to ban guns outside schools ("it is intrastate commerce, not 'commerce among the states'"). If Pittsburgh Cable is selling service and collecting money from that area, they never cross state lines. It's just like a farmer who raises chickens, and never sells to anyone outside PA (although he might have tourists from Ohio or Virginia stopping at his stand). The farmer is not subject to federal/congressional legislation because HE, personally, never crossed the border.
If the Founders had intended Congress to regulate *all* markets, then they would have written that in the Constitution. Since they specifically limited to commerce ACROSS the lines, clearly that's all they desired, and they intended INTRAstate commerce to remain *outside* the central government's control.
I imagine the breakup of the Cable/ISP monopolies would work similar to the ATT Phone breakup in the 1980s.
No need to abolish anything. Just amend the Constitution to make the EPA/FCC legal. I would support such an action rather than ignore our Bill of Rights, part 10.
Unless you can show me an ISP that only handles traffic within its own state
I can but the list is thousands of companies long. With names like MOM&popISP or County XXX Cable or Suburban Cable and so on. Since these are only involved in INTRAstate commerce, the union government has zero authority.
Ex post facto laws are unconstitutional. Verizon received that money with No Strings attached. The US Government can not later append rules to the money after the fact - that's illegal.
However the STATES could regulate Verizon, since verizon is on state land. Still: That means the FCC has zero authority. State land belongs to the Member State, not the FCC.
Never 'erd of it.
(just joking)
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Disagree.
Just because you accept money from the government (example: scholarship, unemployment, subsidy for a hybrid,diesel,electric,or other green car) should not mean the government automatically gains authority to regulate everything: your person, your property, your home. And yet: That's what you just argued.
I think the solution is to use the Sherman Antitrust Act to break-up the local Cable/ISP monopolies. Also the public lands belong to the MEMBER STATES not the Central Union government or the FCC. The FCC has zero authority to regulate lands owned by State Legislatures. Only the local state politicians have that authority.
(Cmon people - this isn't hard. It's called separation of powers between States and the federal.)
The post above is fallacious logic.
If Congress says to you, "You are not subject to 'no antennas on roofs' neighborhood housing rules per the 1996 Telecommunications Act," that doesn't automagically give them authority to demand you paint your house white. INSTEAD you must first read the Constitution and find where the Member States granted authority to the Congress (or FCC) to regulate the color of your house. The answer is: They didn't (amend.10).
private cables rely on poles and underground tunnels on public land
Yes but that public land is owned by the STATE not the FCC. The commission (and the us congress) has zero authority to regulate lands owned by the Member State Government/legislature.
FCC are proposing no such thing as censoring.
Well you're right and I'm wrong. That's true. But the Congress has introduced bills to give the FCC authority to regulate what can/cannot be said on *private* cable channels and private news websites. That shouldn't be allowed (violates amendments 5, 14, 9, and most importantly: 10). But you're right: Has no relevance to net neutrality. It's a separate issue and I shouldn't have mentioned it.
Don't know, but obviously the government should say "NO" every time a private company begs for money. The company has no right to raid the taxpayer (our) wallets for cash. I consider that theft.
The FCC has authority over the public EM spectrum (as given to them by Congress) such as radio. They have no authority over private cables owned by private companies purchased by private homeowners. Nor do they have authority to censor content on the private cables.
Wonder if she threw a teeth-grinding "you are all a bunch of loons" temper tantrum like Governor Rendell did?
Thanks for representing my state.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7220372n &client=seamonkey
>>>This is about FIREFOX 4, not SeaMonkey ...
Don't have a cow, man.
- Actually this topic is about the MOZILLA browser called firefox. I was merely suggesting people take a look at MOZILLA'S other browser which uses the same Mozilla/5.0 Gecko engine. If you don't want to do that, then don't..... but I thought other people might like to be made aware of MOZILLA's other options.
Other browsers don't have the huge numbers of Addons that Firefox has. For example I still haven't found a 3GP Youtube downloader for seamonkey or opera, but firefox has several of them*. So..... advantage firefox.
* :-|
* When they work. I notice none of the 3GB addons have worked since thanksgiving. Youtube altered their video code to block downloads.
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