Not Hollywood but the record companies recently got punished for owing over 100 million in unpaid royalties to singers. The various CRIA-affiliated companies were using the songs on Greatest Hits CDs and not paying for them. "They deserve it".
>>>Women have a natural right not to be raped. [Wages/salary] are not a right at all. It's a privilege granted by "the people" to the laborer.
Fixed that for you. Just wanted to clarify where you stand on this issue - that you don't think authors, movie directors, actors don't deserve to be paid for their labor. Because if there's NO copyright, and everything is free to download through Piratebay, then that's exactly what will happen. No money for the book, song, movie creators.
>>>Yeah, blacks, get to the back of the bus. Don't you know you're breaking the law? >>>Don't give me none of that 'civil disobedience' crap, you're breaking the law!
Democrats always turn-everything into a race argument. Okay fine : PIRATEBAY OWNERS STEALING AUTHORS' WORKS IS THE SAME AS TREATING THEM LIKE SLAVES - making them do work without pay, while the owners get rich off the profits. Piratebay is like a modern day plantation, and these modernday "masters" deserve to be punished. (Got it? Clear enough for you? Racism seems to be the only thing you liberals comprehend.)
This is the first time I've posted it. Usually I'm on the side of NOT sending people $5000 extortion letters, or fining Jamie Thomas 10 million dollars.
BUT these guys are different. They are the modern equivalent of VHS or DVD copiers and profiting from the action. They deserve to be fined, just as a speeder going over 65 mph deserved to get a ticket. If you don't like it then change the law.
YOU on the other hand seem to think Authors deserve NO PAY for the work they perform (that all their books, movies should be free for us). That makes no logical sense. It's equivalent to a boss that makes you work all week, fires you, and then doesn't pay you any wages.
>>>So basically, it'd be a disaster with a non-functional economy where no one would dare take risks?
The U.S. economy functioned just fine before the limited-liability incorporation license was invented. Plenty of people took risks. The present condition where we give managers immunity when they produce exploding Ford Pintos, or steal customer funds like MF global, is NOT a good solution.
A distinction that matters not. YOU claimed a monopoly like Microsoft had over the OS and Web browser markets can never be defeated by other companies. Google & Apple (and to a lesser extent: Mozilla) have demonstrated your claim to be false.
I've seen this word before. Usually in liberal blogs that view everything profitable as "evil".
Ya know, it's not really possible for a company to exploit you if you don't buy their product. Like the Comcast cable I don't buy. Or the shiny new SUV I didn't buy. Or the $200 kindle fire I didn't buy. Or the hulu I didn't subscribe to. And so on. Companies can only rip-you-off if you play their game..... so don't play the game and they can't touch you.
Unless the idiot Democratic Congress rams-through a TARP bailout and Corporate Welfare "stimulus" as law. Government is the real danger because it can take your money against your will.
It's one thing to download a song or movie, say "That was crap", and erase it. It's another thing to actively copy millions of them, or assist others to do it, and distribute those copies to other people.
Only the original author(s) have the right to copy their creation. Maybe that law is unjust and needs to be changed (like downsizing the 110 year span to 20 years), but for now that is the law and these guys are clearly violating it.
>>>the mantra was "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". IBM pretty much wiped out every other microcomputer manufacturer except Apple after that, for almost ten years when Compaq cloned IBM's BIOS.....
You make it sound like the IBM PC was instantly dominant when it was released (1981) but that wasn't the case. It wasn't until six years later that the PC (and clones) became the #1 selling computer. Prior to that point it was the Commodore 64 (1983-86) and the Atari 800 (1981-82) that were the best-selling models.
>>>Only if a small startup can eat your [monopoly]
You mean like Google? In the 90s they were the "small startup" you describe, and they faced-off against the mighty monopoly that is Microsoft. The monopoly that had killed-off Atari, Commodore, DR-DOS, OS/2, Netscape. (Let's also include Apple which was not a startup but was definitely small.)
Now both Google and Apple are whipping MS's butt in the operating system/browser market (Android, iOS, webkit). No monopoly lasts forever not even Microsoft which used to have 90% share, but has now dropped to around 50% overall.
>>>>>"Me and mine first, and fuck everyone else", that's what. Basic animal survival instincts, sans-humanity. >> >>just basic libertarian philosophy.
Nice slam. But libertarians believe in protecting human life and basic human rights (right to speech, expression, ownership, plus a shield against government bureaucrats overruling our freedom of choice). We also believe corporations shouldn't even exist, as they are an artificial creation & protectorate of the government.
In the libertarian world all companies would be directly-owned proprietorships or partnerships with the manager(s) directly responsible if one of their products blow-up, catch fire, or otherwise harm a customer. No immunity or limited liability or golden parachutes.
>>>And I like how you used "niggardly", considering how there's a dozen other, perfectly cromulent, words you could have used that don't sound racist.
Well to quote the Head of the NAACP (a black man in case you're dense): "It's a sad day when we must censor ourselves because of the ignorance of others. I suspect they are acting niggardly in their judgment," and "They should spend some money on dictionaries."
According to the Sherman Antitrust Act monopolies are not bad. In fact we have several of them (post office, amtrak, the electric company). Monopolies are only bad when they abuse their power, as defined by the act.
As for "economic notions", in a truly free market no monopoly lasts forever because new competitors rise-up and take it away. I think we're witnessing that now, as Microsoft has lost its 90s and early 2000s monopoly over browers and OSes. They have to share the spotlight with Mozilla, Google, and Apple.
>>>The constititution is not the whole of the law, and neither is it a sacred document. Over time there has been precendent and and affirmed that expand the power of congress.
Of course the constitution is not a "sacred" document. It's a piece of paper with words on it. BUT those words are the highest laws of this land. Precedent or court decisions can not override the written law of the land. As the 2nd Chief Justice said, anything contrary to the Constitution is null-and-void for the date of its creation. For example if some court decided, "Yes the Arkansas government has the right to round-up and eject all black people," the ruling is null-and-void because it violates the equal protection clause of the constitution (and I'm sure the Supreme Court would throw out the ruling).
LIKEWISE, and I'm sure we will see this on Thursday (if Obamacare is repealed), a congressional law that violates the 10th amendment is also void. Powers reserved to the State Legislatures can Not be exercised by the Congress. That is how the Constitution is written. (Else if congress had unlimited power, why have legislatures at all? They serve no function if they have no powers left.)
>>>Enough college credits can improve your paycheck,
I already earn $140,000 a year. How much more do you think it would improve?
>>>I'm sure that recording TV shows while you sleep and watching them later can be pleasant, but is it really what you want to do with your life? Is there enough value in it?
I enjoy science fiction stories (and some fantasy). Also political news. I enjoy sharing it with friends as well. If I stopped, I'd be really bored with nothing to do. ----- And no open source programming doesn't interest me; that feels like a deadend, especially when they keep wasting their times on prettying-up the interface instead of something useful (like making it work with less than 100 megabytes RAM and therefore: fast). Puppy Linux seems to be the only release doing it right.
The only useful 80s computer I ever had was the one my parents bought me... I spent weeks learning how to program. The ones in school were a joke that couldn't do crap (1977 technology). Even if I had wanted to use them, we were forbidden to touch them except under direct instruction. Which usually meant learning touch typing; what a waste that was. A $20 typewriter could have done the same thing rather than a $1000 computer.
>>>Several dozen US service members were killed by the Japanese in mainland China long before Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt knew war was coming with Japan and he was damn well determined to have the US prepared when it happened and that included supporting forces actively fighting the Japanese >>> And maybe that war could have been avoided if FDR was not actively killing the Japs. Maybe the Japanese would have turned their attention towards Australia or Russia or consolidating power in China, and left us alone. But no.
FDR was like a mosquito driving the Japs batty, until finally they struck back. He *instigated* the war. He WANTED the war. He could have avoided it easily just as Woodrow Wilson could have avoided WW1 (as he promised during reelection). I'm reminded of what Roosevelt's wife later wrote: that he was moving navies and armies across the map and smiling like a little kid with toy soldiers. For FDR the Japanese war was just a game and he sucked us right into it.
>>>One which we stole from the previous tenants, yes. Kind of erodes our moral superiority here.
I think it strengthens it. We don't want to have happen to us (our land forcibly taken by non-Americans) like what our european ancestors did to the Asians who had claimed America. Or what they did to the original peoples who were here before they came streaming across the land bridge ~20,000 years ago. Or what they did to the Neanderthals ~100,000 years ago. (I'm making a point here: All land is stolen from the previous residents.)
>>> Illegal immigrants generally work harder than citizens, for less pay.
Then they should ASK PERMISSION to enter, because if they are as great as you claim, we would approve their citizenship. We would welcome their hard work. But sneaking-in during the dead of night is dishonest & invasive. HOW you do things matters. "Under cover of darkness" is how thieves and rapists operate. Also secret agents.
>>>Food prices would go up if we didn't have near slave labor.
Probably true, but on the flip side food prices would go Down if the government stopped providing artificial protective tariffs for sugar, and corn, and other crops. (Also direct subsidies.)
Nice. You called me a racist, and then you want to act all innocent of the crime. NOTHING I said in my original post deserved your accusation that I hate black people. That was totally uncalled for.
>>>>>In an era of ever-increasing oil prices & food prices, it makes logical sense for the U.S. (or EU or China or any country) to try and stabilize the population at a sustainable level to make the coming crisis less painful. >> >>You seem to be unaware that the populations of both the EU and the USA are increasing solely because of immigration.
I have no idea how you reached that conclusion. Strawman argument on your part because I never said anything of the kind.
>>> this is not even about Steve Jobs, it's about the notion that a person who builds a successful business doesn't contribute anything to society.
I didn't see you weeping over the death of Jack Tramel, and he created a successful business (including the #1 and #2 best selling computers of all time)(see the Guinness World Record book). In fact he helped revive a 2nd company called Atari from near-extinction.
Or Dennis Ritchie; the guy who invented Unix which almost everything runs on (yes even your mac). But no. For modern jouranlists it's all about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs (and also Gates) as if they are the only two people who contributed anything to our modern computer age.
>>> TV is not only far and away better now, but through Pirate Bay and Netflix Instant, it's far easier to catch.....
But I talking about actual, live TV. Obviously today is better since we can stream crap off the internet, or piratebay but the live actual TV is pretty abysmal. As I mentioned I'm going home tonight and probably won't turn-on the TV at all..... because there's nothing there. It wasn't like in the 90s when there was usually something to watch/
The first two seasons of each were both excellent. They went downhill later on (after the original writers/creators quit) And even when they went downhill, they were still better than watching the Deadliest Catch or Jersey Sho.
>>>Arrested Development, The Office, 30 Rock, Eastbound and Down, Flight of the Conchords, Breaking Bad, Spartacus, Game of Thrones, Battlestar Gallactica, Lost, South Park, Futurama. >>> 30 rock, AD are not funny. But I love the office, south park. (Futurama was a late-90s show.) Lost was an incoherent mess. BSG and Thrones are both good. Spartacus was not (bit like watching a videogame; all action; almost no story). Never seen the others you mention.
Perhaps the difference is that in the 90s I could come home, pop on the TV, and find something to watch. NOW I come-home, pop on the TV, and see every channel is filled with reality shit.:-o Like today. I'm working late because the tv guide says there's NOTHING at home worth watching.
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>>>Without copyright an artists would want to sell the labor not the results. Concerts are one example of that.
Does this apply to programmers/engineers too? We get paid for doing live "concerts" but do not get paid for the result (program,schematic) we produce?
Not Hollywood but the record companies recently got punished for owing over 100 million in unpaid royalties to singers. The various CRIA-affiliated companies were using the songs on Greatest Hits CDs and not paying for them. "They deserve it".
>>>Women have a natural right not to be raped. [Wages/salary] are not a right at all. It's a privilege granted by "the people" to the laborer.
Fixed that for you.
Just wanted to clarify where you stand on this issue - that you don't think authors, movie directors, actors don't deserve to be paid for their labor. Because if there's NO copyright, and everything is free to download through Piratebay, then that's exactly what will happen. No money for the book, song, movie creators.
>>>Yeah, blacks, get to the back of the bus. Don't you know you're breaking the law?
>>>Don't give me none of that 'civil disobedience' crap, you're breaking the law!
Democrats always turn-everything into a race argument. Okay fine : PIRATEBAY OWNERS STEALING AUTHORS' WORKS IS THE SAME AS TREATING THEM LIKE SLAVES - making them do work without pay, while the owners get rich off the profits. Piratebay is like a modern day plantation, and these modernday "masters" deserve to be punished. (Got it? Clear enough for you? Racism seems to be the only thing you liberals comprehend.)
This is the first time I've posted it. Usually I'm on the side of NOT sending people $5000 extortion letters, or fining Jamie Thomas 10 million dollars.
BUT these guys are different. They are the modern equivalent of VHS or DVD copiers and profiting from the action. They deserve to be fined, just as a speeder going over 65 mph deserved to get a ticket. If you don't like it then change the law.
YOU on the other hand seem to think Authors deserve NO PAY for the work they perform (that all their books, movies should be free for us). That makes no logical sense. It's equivalent to a boss that makes you work all week, fires you, and then doesn't pay you any wages.
>>>So basically, it'd be a disaster with a non-functional economy where no one would dare take risks?
The U.S. economy functioned just fine before the limited-liability incorporation license was invented. Plenty of people took risks. The present condition where we give managers immunity when they produce exploding Ford Pintos, or steal customer funds like MF global, is NOT a good solution.
A distinction that matters not. YOU claimed a monopoly like Microsoft had over the OS and Web browser markets can never be defeated by other companies. Google & Apple (and to a lesser extent: Mozilla) have demonstrated your claim to be false.
I've seen this word before. Usually in liberal blogs that view everything profitable as "evil".
Ya know, it's not really possible for a company to exploit you if you don't buy their product. Like the Comcast cable I don't buy. Or the shiny new SUV I didn't buy. Or the $200 kindle fire I didn't buy. Or the hulu I didn't subscribe to. And so on. Companies can only rip-you-off if you play their game..... so don't play the game and they can't touch you.
Unless the idiot Democratic Congress rams-through a TARP bailout and Corporate Welfare "stimulus" as law. Government is the real danger because it can take your money against your will.
It's one thing to download a song or movie, say "That was crap", and erase it. It's another thing to actively copy millions of them, or assist others to do it, and distribute those copies to other people.
Only the original author(s) have the right to copy their creation. Maybe that law is unjust and needs to be changed (like downsizing the 110 year span to 20 years), but for now that is the law and these guys are clearly violating it.
>>>the mantra was "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". IBM pretty much wiped out every other microcomputer manufacturer except Apple after that, for almost ten years when Compaq cloned IBM's BIOS.....
You make it sound like the IBM PC was instantly dominant when it was released (1981) but that wasn't the case. It wasn't until six years later that the PC (and clones) became the #1 selling computer. Prior to that point it was the Commodore 64 (1983-86) and the Atari 800 (1981-82) that were the best-selling models.
Source: Ars Technica
>>>Only if a small startup can eat your [monopoly]
You mean like Google?
In the 90s they were the "small startup" you describe, and they faced-off against the mighty monopoly that is Microsoft. The monopoly that had killed-off Atari, Commodore, DR-DOS, OS/2, Netscape. (Let's also include Apple which was not a startup but was definitely small.)
Now both Google and Apple are whipping MS's butt in the operating system/browser market (Android, iOS, webkit). No monopoly lasts forever not even Microsoft which used to have 90% share, but has now dropped to around 50% overall.
>>>>>"Me and mine first, and fuck everyone else", that's what. Basic animal survival instincts, sans-humanity.
>>
>>just basic libertarian philosophy.
Nice slam. But libertarians believe in protecting human life and basic human rights (right to speech, expression, ownership, plus a shield against government bureaucrats overruling our freedom of choice). We also believe corporations shouldn't even exist, as they are an artificial creation & protectorate of the government.
In the libertarian world all companies would be directly-owned proprietorships or partnerships with the manager(s) directly responsible if one of their products blow-up, catch fire, or otherwise harm a customer. No immunity or limited liability or golden parachutes.
>>>And I like how you used "niggardly", considering how there's a dozen other, perfectly cromulent, words you could have used that don't sound racist.
Well to quote the Head of the NAACP (a black man in case you're dense): "It's a sad day when we must censor ourselves because of the ignorance of others. I suspect they are acting niggardly in their judgment," and "They should spend some money on dictionaries."
According to the Sherman Antitrust Act monopolies are not bad. In fact we have several of them (post office, amtrak, the electric company). Monopolies are only bad when they abuse their power, as defined by the act.
As for "economic notions", in a truly free market no monopoly lasts forever because new competitors rise-up and take it away. I think we're witnessing that now, as Microsoft has lost its 90s and early 2000s monopoly over browers and OSes. They have to share the spotlight with Mozilla, Google, and Apple.
>>>The constititution is not the whole of the law, and neither is it a sacred document. Over time there has been precendent and and affirmed that expand the power of congress.
Of course the constitution is not a "sacred" document. It's a piece of paper with words on it. BUT those words are the highest laws of this land. Precedent or court decisions can not override the written law of the land. As the 2nd Chief Justice said, anything contrary to the Constitution is null-and-void for the date of its creation. For example if some court decided, "Yes the Arkansas government has the right to round-up and eject all black people," the ruling is null-and-void because it violates the equal protection clause of the constitution (and I'm sure the Supreme Court would throw out the ruling).
LIKEWISE, and I'm sure we will see this on Thursday (if Obamacare is repealed), a congressional law that violates the 10th amendment is also void. Powers reserved to the State Legislatures can Not be exercised by the Congress. That is how the Constitution is written. (Else if congress had unlimited power, why have legislatures at all? They serve no function if they have no powers left.)
>>>Enough college credits can improve your paycheck,
I already earn $140,000 a year. How much more do you think it would improve?
>>>I'm sure that recording TV shows while you sleep and watching them later can be pleasant, but is it really what you want to do with your life? Is there enough value in it?
I enjoy science fiction stories (and some fantasy). Also political news. I enjoy sharing it with friends as well. If I stopped, I'd be really bored with nothing to do. ----- And no open source programming doesn't interest me; that feels like a deadend, especially when they keep wasting their times on prettying-up the interface instead of something useful (like making it work with less than 100 megabytes RAM and therefore: fast). Puppy Linux seems to be the only release doing it right.
The only useful 80s computer I ever had was the one my parents bought me... I spent weeks learning how to program. The ones in school were a joke that couldn't do crap (1977 technology). Even if I had wanted to use them, we were forbidden to touch them except under direct instruction. Which usually meant learning touch typing; what a waste that was. A $20 typewriter could have done the same thing rather than a $1000 computer.
>>>Several dozen US service members were killed by the Japanese in mainland China long before Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt knew war was coming with Japan and he was damn well determined to have the US prepared when it happened and that included supporting forces actively fighting the Japanese
>>>
And maybe that war could have been avoided if FDR was not actively killing the Japs. Maybe the Japanese would have turned their attention towards Australia or Russia or consolidating power in China, and left us alone. But no.
FDR was like a mosquito driving the Japs batty, until finally they struck back. He *instigated* the war. He WANTED the war. He could have avoided it easily just as Woodrow Wilson could have avoided WW1 (as he promised during reelection). I'm reminded of what Roosevelt's wife later wrote: that he was moving navies and armies across the map and smiling like a little kid with toy soldiers. For FDR the Japanese war was just a game and he sucked us right into it.
>>>One which we stole from the previous tenants, yes. Kind of erodes our moral superiority here.
I think it strengthens it. We don't want to have happen to us (our land forcibly taken by non-Americans) like what our european ancestors did to the Asians who had claimed America. Or what they did to the original peoples who were here before they came streaming across the land bridge ~20,000 years ago. Or what they did to the Neanderthals ~100,000 years ago. (I'm making a point here: All land is stolen from the previous residents.)
>>> Illegal immigrants generally work harder than citizens, for less pay.
Then they should ASK PERMISSION to enter, because if they are as great as you claim, we would approve their citizenship. We would welcome their hard work. But sneaking-in during the dead of night is dishonest & invasive. HOW you do things matters. "Under cover of darkness" is how thieves and rapists operate. Also secret agents.
>>>Food prices would go up if we didn't have near slave labor.
Probably true, but on the flip side food prices would go Down if the government stopped providing artificial protective tariffs for sugar, and corn, and other crops. (Also direct subsidies.)
Nice. You called me a racist, and then you want to act all innocent of the crime. NOTHING I said in my original post deserved your accusation that I hate black people. That was totally uncalled for.
>>>Besides, 750 -> 1000 = 33%, not 133%
Terrible math. 33% of 750 is 247.5
>>>>>In an era of ever-increasing oil prices & food prices, it makes logical sense for the U.S. (or EU or China or any country) to try and stabilize the population at a sustainable level to make the coming crisis less painful.
>>
>>You seem to be unaware that the populations of both the EU and the USA are increasing solely because of immigration.
I have no idea how you reached that conclusion.
Strawman argument on your part because
I never said anything of the kind.
>>>The same way Congress can tell you that you can't advertise an apartment for rent with "Whites only" in the ad.
That's actually a State law not a Congressional law.
>>> this is not even about Steve Jobs, it's about the notion that a person who builds a successful business doesn't contribute anything to society.
I didn't see you weeping over the death of Jack Tramel, and he created a successful business (including the #1 and #2 best selling computers of all time)(see the Guinness World Record book). In fact he helped revive a 2nd company called Atari from near-extinction.
Or Dennis Ritchie; the guy who invented Unix which almost everything runs on (yes even your mac). But no. For modern jouranlists it's all about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs (and also Gates) as if they are the only two people who contributed anything to our modern computer age.
>>> TV is not only far and away better now, but through Pirate Bay and Netflix Instant, it's far easier to catch.....
But I talking about actual, live TV. Obviously today is better since we can stream crap off the internet, or piratebay but the live actual TV is pretty abysmal. As I mentioned I'm going home tonight and probably won't turn-on the TV at all..... because there's nothing there. It wasn't like in the 90s when there was usually something to watch/
>>> Seriously, Sliders? Voyager?
The first two seasons of each were both excellent. They went downhill later on (after the original writers/creators quit) And even when they went downhill, they were still better than watching the Deadliest Catch or Jersey Sho.
>>>Arrested Development, The Office, 30 Rock, Eastbound and Down, Flight of the Conchords, Breaking Bad, Spartacus, Game of Thrones, Battlestar Gallactica, Lost, South Park, Futurama.
>>>
30 rock, AD are not funny. But I love the office, south park. (Futurama was a late-90s show.) Lost was an incoherent mess. BSG and Thrones are both good. Spartacus was not (bit like watching a videogame; all action; almost no story). Never seen the others you mention.
Perhaps the difference is that in the 90s I could come home, pop on the TV, and find something to watch. NOW I come-home, pop on the TV, and see every channel is filled with reality shit. :-o Like today. I'm working late because the tv guide says there's NOTHING at home worth watching.