I just built some Linux boxen, and the motherboards that I used (EPoX 8KTA3+, no affiliation) supports APM/ACPI, even though the boxen are not laptops.
My question is, how do I use it? Do I enable it in the BIOS config, and then set up Linux to control it? Or is the control done on the BIOS side as well? (Do I just pretend they are laptops, and follow the HOWTOs for laptop APM?)
Any suggestions or links would be appreciated. I've never had a laptop, so I don't even know the basic terminology.
PS - I get this line in my dmesg:
apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.14)
However, a quick read indicates that it does not seem to include some of the suggestions already posted here, so some of you gurus may want to write the maintainer with suggestions.
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> Most people who visit/. sit around reading all the great things about Linux/Open Source and they convince themselves how great Linux is.
We must not read the same/., 'cause on the one I read, about half the posts bash people with pro-Linux mentalities. And get moderated up for it.
> So if the CA power companies were "properly" deregulated, I have no doubt that the normal residential customer would be taking in the rear with no lube. Of course I notice before these sorts of deregulation occur, that you see ads on TV and in your bill about "how competition through deregulation will cut costs to you..." Of course these ads are paid for by the regulated entity, so I am skeptical.
That's exactly what happened in California. People who followed the legislation in the media thought they were being treated to a sure-fire 10% rate cut. Almost no one knew that the legislation included spending $28.5 billion in taxpayer's money to bail out invester-owned utility companies.
Also, it's deceptive for the utilities to blame the problems on "incomplete" or "botched" deregulation, because the utilities were the ones who wanted the legislation. When part of the public found out where the shaft was headed, they set up a proposition to void the legislation between the time it was passed and the time it took effect, but the utilities spent something like $40 million (IIRC) on ads against the proposition. A spokesman for one of the groups pushing the proposition said that the utilities were outspending them by 10:1 in PR on the issue. It is perfectly obvious that the utilities wanted this legislation, and wanted it bad.
I posted a longer summary of all this here, complete with links to sources, several months ago. Elsewhere in this thread, unitron mentions that he hasn't seen the subtext story anywhere except in one column, and he's correct that the media aren't telling anything useful. But if you spend 30 minutes or an hour with a search engine you can turn up some interesting facts. I found a study done after the legislation passed but before it went into effect, showing that none of the vendors were interested in competing in the residential power supply game, so it should have been apparent even back then that deregulation wasn't really going to magically lead to competition that would result in lower prices.
This could have been averted, if the media had picked up on what some people knew even back then. Perhaps it could still be averted in Texas, if the citizens were informed and the politicians cared what the citizens think this long before the next election.
> You think it sucks your DSL went out, be thankful you still have electricity after the Texas buddies of George Bush try to rape you on your utility bills....
FWIW, the University of Texas sent out an energy conservation memo to its employees about a month ago, asking people to turn of lights and shut down computers because their power generation people were projecting that energy costs were going to run 30-40 million $$$ over budget in the coming year.
When I heard about it I just assumed that was an odd instance of badly mis-guessing the budget... until one of said employees told me about the insert in her electric bill a couple of weeks later, explaining that utility deregulation was about to start phasing in in Texas.
Prediction: Before this time next year, Texas will be in the news with energy problems just like California has been having: rolling blackouts, tax money poured into a black hole (aka investor owned utilities' bank acounts) to keep any lights on at all, and skyrocketing rates for consumers. Probably also the same scam where power companies fall down and bleed about how much money they're losing, while their parent companies score record profits.
Not sure GuuB (MHRIH) really has anything to do with it though; the California legislature passed their power deregulation bill with bipartisan contempt for the welfare of their citizens (touting the $28 billion bailout as a sure-fire path to a 10% rate reduction, yeah, sure).
> There is nothing in the article that even remotely points to Covad disappearing...
I don't know anything first hand, but I saw this on comp.lang.ada last week:
Subject: Re: oglada@niestu.com is dead
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 05:14:58 GMT
From: chipr@cuppie.niestu.com (Chip Richards)
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In article..., Louis Granger wrote:
>I have tried to send messages to oglada@niestu.com, and there are no
>answer from that server. Anyone from niestu.com knows what going on.
Yes. NiEstu got caught in the great Covad DSL purge of 2001. There are two things happening with regard to the OGLADA mailing list:
1. NiEstu has a new connection on order. It was supposed to be installed this week, but the provider is new to our area and is running a little behind. We're hopeful for next week.
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> It also allows you to program with confidence, something few of us can do. You can break out of the "I hope I don't break this" mentality to a "Let's see if this works" mentality.
Few of us can do? I wish some of my coworkers programmed with less confidence.
> In every company I have ever worked for, the attitude has always been to spend what you need to in order for your people to be productive.
Whoa! I need to consult you about job hunting tips. I've never met a boss who wouldn't waste a month having high-priced engineers dig a ditch by hand because he was too cheapskate to rent a backhoe.
> Except with the smallest of companies, software is rarely a major expense for companies, especially OS's.
On paper, at any rate. In practice, everywhere I've ever worked was really tight-assed about spending pocket change during tough times, presumably because everyone was afraid of getting a chewing from above every time they dropped a dime.
Also, correctly or no, employers tend to think labor is "free" in the sense that since you're already on the payroll they already have to pay you anyway. Most employeers ask their employees to do 4-5 times as much as they can realistically do, so adding on "learn a new trade" or "manage a bank of new machines" for your spare time is not likely to faze any boss I ever worked for.
Your argument has rational force, but PHBs and PHMMs are about as irrational as it comes.
> It may be cheaper for a company to pay a few grand for Windows, then save tens of thousands by hiring a generic Windows admin.
Or a tribe of them?
Reminds me of the joke about the town in the wild west that telegraphed Washington for help during a riot. The citizens were dismayed when a single US Marshal stepped off the train. His response was, "You've only got one riot."
I can't wait until we hear about the first "upgrade virus", an infection that gets on a shoveware server and then tells all the suckers they need to download an "upgrade" with the hostile payload in it.
Think of the thrill of destroying millions of computers in a matter of hours.
OK, pedantics will note that what I'm describing isn't stricly a virus or a worm, so call it what you will.
> It's only $30 to file a copyright deposit with the Library of Congress. And once you do that, the clock starts running on willful infringement and statutory damages.
What should you do if you have an OSS project and follow the "release early, release often" paradigm?
I have a GPL'd project that is out in pre-release form, though nowhere near ready for actual use. If I register it now, would I also need to re-register it every time I let a new version out?
Patents may be an issue as well; I am incorporating some novel features into the project, and I'd hate to have some jerk go out and patent them after seeing my demo.
> Another point that is relevant to this discussion is that only American programmers need to register their code with the Copyright Office to get statutory damages and attorney's fees. Foreign nationals don't have to do this because of the United States international copyright treaty obligations.
Always nice to know our government is looking after us. Land of the free, home of the brave, foreigners have more rights than you do.
> I know it's a simple mistake for most to make, but these guys are purveyors of supposedly correct info for christ's sake.
If they're smart they'll tell their customers that they were supposed to be charged extra for the version with the added BSD information, but there was a slip-up in accounting.
> Combine this new exploit with this old one that lets you read any file off someone's harddrive and I think Microsoft might be able to market these as.NET features.
It's the latest in peer-to-peer file sharing. They're marketing it under the name Hackster. --
> Does this mean that if I infect someone with the virus (deliberatly), I must give them the source, on request? (Answear: Yes)
I make sure all my viruses write their source to each partition after deleting everything else there. Wouldn't want to get in trouble for a license violation.
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I just built some Linux boxen, and the motherboards that I used (EPoX 8KTA3+, no affiliation) supports APM/ACPI, even though the boxen are not laptops.
My question is, how do I use it? Do I enable it in the BIOS config, and then set up Linux to control it? Or is the control done on the BIOS side as well? (Do I just pretend they are laptops, and follow the HOWTOs for laptop APM?)
Any suggestions or links would be appreciated. I've never had a laptop, so I don't even know the basic terminology.
PS - I get this line in my dmesg:
apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.14)
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There is a recent Linux Ecology HOWTO at the indicated link.
However, a quick read indicates that it does not seem to include some of the suggestions already posted here, so some of you gurus may want to write the maintainer with suggestions.
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> Most people who visit /. sit around reading all the great things about Linux/Open Source and they convince themselves how great Linux is.
/., 'cause on the one I read, about half the posts bash people with pro-Linux mentalities. And get moderated up for it.
We must not read the same
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> So if the CA power companies were "properly" deregulated, I have no doubt that the normal residential customer would be taking in the rear with no lube. Of course I notice before these sorts of deregulation occur, that you see ads on TV and in your bill about "how competition through deregulation will cut costs to you..." Of course these ads are paid for by the regulated entity, so I am skeptical.
That's exactly what happened in California. People who followed the legislation in the media thought they were being treated to a sure-fire 10% rate cut. Almost no one knew that the legislation included spending $28.5 billion in taxpayer's money to bail out invester-owned utility companies.
Also, it's deceptive for the utilities to blame the problems on "incomplete" or "botched" deregulation, because the utilities were the ones who wanted the legislation. When part of the public found out where the shaft was headed, they set up a proposition to void the legislation between the time it was passed and the time it took effect, but the utilities spent something like $40 million (IIRC) on ads against the proposition. A spokesman for one of the groups pushing the proposition said that the utilities were outspending them by 10:1 in PR on the issue. It is perfectly obvious that the utilities wanted this legislation, and wanted it bad.
I posted a longer summary of all this here, complete with links to sources, several months ago. Elsewhere in this thread, unitron mentions that he hasn't seen the subtext story anywhere except in one column, and he's correct that the media aren't telling anything useful. But if you spend 30 minutes or an hour with a search engine you can turn up some interesting facts. I found a study done after the legislation passed but before it went into effect, showing that none of the vendors were interested in competing in the residential power supply game, so it should have been apparent even back then that deregulation wasn't really going to magically lead to competition that would result in lower prices.
This could have been averted, if the media had picked up on what some people knew even back then. Perhaps it could still be averted in Texas, if the citizens were informed and the politicians cared what the citizens think this long before the next election.
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> there's one explanation for the origin of the universe (1 Genesis) that is still going strong.
Don't be a fool. Everyone knows that Genesis is wrong, and Homer gave the real explanation.
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> You think it sucks your DSL went out, be thankful you still have electricity after the Texas buddies of George Bush try to rape you on your utility bills....
FWIW, the University of Texas sent out an energy conservation memo to its employees about a month ago, asking people to turn of lights and shut down computers because their power generation people were projecting that energy costs were going to run 30-40 million $$$ over budget in the coming year.
When I heard about it I just assumed that was an odd instance of badly mis-guessing the budget... until one of said employees told me about the insert in her electric bill a couple of weeks later, explaining that utility deregulation was about to start phasing in in Texas.
Prediction: Before this time next year, Texas will be in the news with energy problems just like California has been having: rolling blackouts, tax money poured into a black hole (aka investor owned utilities' bank acounts) to keep any lights on at all, and skyrocketing rates for consumers. Probably also the same scam where power companies fall down and bleed about how much money they're losing, while their parent companies score record profits.
Not sure GuuB (MHRIH) really has anything to do with it though; the California legislature passed their power deregulation bill with bipartisan contempt for the welfare of their citizens (touting the $28 billion bailout as a sure-fire path to a 10% rate reduction, yeah, sure).
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I don't know anything first hand, but I saw this on comp.lang.ada last week:
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> It also allows you to program with confidence, something few of us can do. You can break out of the "I hope I don't break this" mentality to a "Let's see if this works" mentality.
Few of us can do? I wish some of my coworkers programmed with less confidence.
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> Earlier today we saw a more advanced article about XP... Now we see an introductory story about XP.
We should regress enough to be ready for a Katz essay on XP by midnight or so.
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> In every company I have ever worked for, the attitude has always been to spend what you need to in order for your people to be productive.
Whoa! I need to consult you about job hunting tips. I've never met a boss who wouldn't waste a month having high-priced engineers dig a ditch by hand because he was too cheapskate to rent a backhoe.
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> PCs are a necessity to modenr businesses, don't forget that.
What do modenr businesses do?
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> Except with the smallest of companies, software is rarely a major expense for companies, especially OS's.
On paper, at any rate. In practice, everywhere I've ever worked was really tight-assed about spending pocket change during tough times, presumably because everyone was afraid of getting a chewing from above every time they dropped a dime.
Also, correctly or no, employers tend to think labor is "free" in the sense that since you're already on the payroll they already have to pay you anyway. Most employeers ask their employees to do 4-5 times as much as they can realistically do, so adding on "learn a new trade" or "manage a bank of new machines" for your spare time is not likely to faze any boss I ever worked for.
Your argument has rational force, but PHBs and PHMMs are about as irrational as it comes.
> It may be cheaper for a company to pay a few grand for Windows, then save tens of thousands by hiring a generic Windows admin.
Or a tribe of them?
Reminds me of the joke about the town in the wild west that telegraphed Washington for help during a riot. The citizens were dismayed when a single US Marshal stepped off the train. His response was, "You've only got one riot."
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I can't wait until we hear about the first "upgrade virus", an infection that gets on a shoveware server and then tells all the suckers they need to download an "upgrade" with the hostile payload in it.
Think of the thrill of destroying millions of computers in a matter of hours.
OK, pedantics will note that what I'm describing isn't stricly a virus or a worm, so call it what you will.
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> All your top-secret spy plane are belong to us.
Who needs spy planes, when you have Cisco and Microsoft?
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> Now you can have the 500MHz powerbook for the price of the 400MHz one.
Steakhouses don't normally charge more for "well done", either.
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> You guys sound like nobody ever finds any holes in Linux.
> BIND? Remote execution of code? A self spreading trojan so simple an 8 year old could use it?
Woo-hoo! How many Windows holes have been discovered since the BIND hole was?
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> Wasn't that bug an April fools? Now Im *really* in trouble ;D
The exploit was an AF Joke, but the bug in the fix wasn't.
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> It's only $30 to file a copyright deposit with the Library of Congress. And once you do that, the clock starts running on willful infringement and statutory damages.
What should you do if you have an OSS project and follow the "release early, release often" paradigm?
I have a GPL'd project that is out in pre-release form, though nowhere near ready for actual use. If I register it now, would I also need to re-register it every time I let a new version out?
Patents may be an issue as well; I am incorporating some novel features into the project, and I'd hate to have some jerk go out and patent them after seeing my demo.
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> Another point that is relevant to this discussion is that only American programmers need to register their code with the Copyright Office to get statutory damages and attorney's fees. Foreign nationals don't have to do this because of the United States international copyright treaty obligations.
Always nice to know our government is looking after us. Land of the free, home of the brave, foreigners have more rights than you do.
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> One of the things that I thought of when I heard this story is that the term 'linux' has gone generic, like scotch tape or aspirin.
Remember "Solaris is our implementation of Linux" from a few weeks back?
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> I know it's a simple mistake for most to make, but these guys are purveyors of supposedly correct info for christ's sake.
If they're smart they'll tell their customers that they were supposed to be charged extra for the version with the added BSD information, but there was a slip-up in accounting.
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> Next week: NYT mistakes Linux + GNOME for MS Windows!
Actually, about a year ago one of my friends sat down at my Linux + GNOME computer system, and immediately said "Is this the new version of Windows?"
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> Combine this new exploit with this old one that lets you read any file off someone's harddrive and I think Microsoft might be able to market these as .NET features.
It's the latest in peer-to-peer file sharing. They're marketing it under the name Hackster.
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Attacker are entitled to ease of use too, ya' know.
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> Does this mean that if I infect someone with the virus (deliberatly), I must give them the source, on request? (Answear: Yes)
I make sure all my viruses write their source to each partition after deleting everything else there. Wouldn't want to get in trouble for a license violation.
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