Hum... I see your first point. The second point, not as accurate as I did not say that "government = private citizen" I merely said that it has things it wants to keep private. Your third point I also gree with "you can't subpoena" what is not know. As citizens, however it is our job to ask enough questions to uncover what we don't know and then get the information... somehow you found out about the "German Citizens" information. I disagree with your fourth point as the government has been held liable for wrong doings. So the Government is still, apparently to some degree, liable for breaking the Law.
I do not see a contradiction as one is an example of a law that caries equal protection. Perhaps I could have worded that differently. Thanks for your comments.
BobMcD, It looks like we agree on the wikileaks thing in priciple.
I think that there is someone to enforce the laws. However imperfect, we have a system of checks and balances in our US government. So if the military is engaged in "nefarius acts", Congress and the Suppreme Courts can balance it out. I quess, maybe, the fact you know all this is a testament that maybe the system is working?
"It is difficult to watch these clips from yesterday's House hearings investigating the absolute, deliberate lies regarding Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch fed to the American public by the U.S. military -- with an eager and accommodating assist from our excellent and intrepid media -- and feel anything other than disgust (and this is just beyond comment). But as anger-inducing as it all is, there is really nothing remarkable about any of it. " from Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2007/04/25/tillman_lynch)
People, is this really transparency? Or is this espionage? Frankly I think that all the wikileaks documents fall on the side of espionage. Allow me a minute to elaborate my position. The government, private industry, and even individuals. Have private things that they want to keep private. By law, everyone's privacy is protected. When documents that are supposed to be private are "stolen" that is espionage and theft. How would you guys like it if the content of your hard drives was stolen and then posted on the internet? How would you like it if they did it under the guise of keeping you honest? I am sure all would agree that even under this "explanation" you would still feel like and have the rights under the law that information was stolen.
Yes I understand that our government has to be transparent. There are however, methods to get information in the properway. Using the law, one can subpena the governemet, private industry, and individuals. Using legal ways information can be forced to be released. So what is my point? Basically, the protections must be in place to protect everyone, lest they be excluded whimsically. Much like our right to free speech. Everyone, has the right to free speech in the US. Even people that speak with hate.
Any lawyers care to chime in?
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Tatoos that show all the best ways to infiltrate our military. All you need is one dopey "gomer pile" jailbreaking and installing a bad app that sends all communications with the device to terrorists.
No clue. yesterday, I was advocating Net Neutrality in a discussion here on Slashdot, and I continue to advocate for it. What the FCC is showing here, however, is not what I and other like-minded folks are advocating. I think the first post has it right...money runs things.
PS: Sincere apologies to those who told me to read up yesterday...now that I have, I can see why you're calling bullshit. Please note that my support of Net Neutrality stands, but not this version of it.
Agreed this is a BS compromise. I already give too much money for internet my car payments are less than my internet bills combined for cell phones and cable internet. These companies are really NOT spending that much money compared to the money they make on the services they over charge for.
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Hum... I see your first point. The second point, not as accurate as I did not say that "government = private citizen" I merely said that it has things it wants to keep private. Your third point I also gree with "you can't subpoena" what is not know. As citizens, however it is our job to ask enough questions to uncover what we don't know and then get the information... somehow you found out about the "German Citizens" information. I disagree with your fourth point as the government has been held liable for wrong doings. So the Government is still, apparently to some degree, liable for breaking the Law. I do not see a contradiction as one is an example of a law that caries equal protection. Perhaps I could have worded that differently. Thanks for your comments.
I think that there is someone to enforce the laws. However imperfect, we have a system of checks and balances in our US government. So if the military is engaged in "nefarius acts", Congress and the Suppreme Courts can balance it out. I quess, maybe, the fact you know all this is a testament that maybe the system is working?
"It is difficult to watch these clips from yesterday's House hearings investigating the absolute, deliberate lies regarding Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch fed to the American public by the U.S. military -- with an eager and accommodating assist from our excellent and intrepid media -- and feel anything other than disgust (and this is just beyond comment). But as anger-inducing as it all is, there is really nothing remarkable about any of it. " from Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2007/04/25/tillman_lynch)
People, is this really transparency? Or is this espionage? Frankly I think that all the wikileaks documents fall on the side of espionage. Allow me a minute to elaborate my position. The government, private industry, and even individuals. Have private things that they want to keep private. By law, everyone's privacy is protected. When documents that are supposed to be private are "stolen" that is espionage and theft. How would you guys like it if the content of your hard drives was stolen and then posted on the internet? How would you like it if they did it under the guise of keeping you honest? I am sure all would agree that even under this "explanation" you would still feel like and have the rights under the law that information was stolen. Yes I understand that our government has to be transparent. There are however, methods to get information in the properway. Using the law, one can subpena the governemet, private industry, and individuals. Using legal ways information can be forced to be released. So what is my point? Basically, the protections must be in place to protect everyone, lest they be excluded whimsically. Much like our right to free speech. Everyone, has the right to free speech in the US. Even people that speak with hate. Any lawyers care to chime in? 01110000 01100101 01100001 01100011 01100101
Lame to link to your own blog... Who are you anyways?
Tatoos that show all the best ways to infiltrate our military. All you need is one dopey "gomer pile" jailbreaking and installing a bad app that sends all communications with the device to terrorists.
That is MY underware!
No clue. yesterday, I was advocating Net Neutrality in a discussion here on Slashdot, and I continue to advocate for it. What the FCC is showing here, however, is not what I and other like-minded folks are advocating. I think the first post has it right...money runs things.
PS: Sincere apologies to those who told me to read up yesterday...now that I have, I can see why you're calling bullshit. Please note that my support of Net Neutrality stands, but not this version of it.
Agreed this is a BS compromise. I already give too much money for internet my car payments are less than my internet bills combined for cell phones and cable internet. These companies are really NOT spending that much money compared to the money they make on the services they over charge for.