you keep returning which confirms you know I'm not trolling.
Stop pinging me and I will be able to. Leave it. You're not proving anything, neither am I. I'm not complaining to you though, we're on/. for god's sake. We discuss and complain about things like these here. Like we do about, you know, beta for instance.
I'm sorry, but I just have to pull your moral mountain on which you seem to be standing from under your feet. *pulls*
But that still does not give you any right whatsoever to tell the Debian developers
I *am* a developer. This was not the Debian "developer"'s decision. That's what a GR would have been for, for example. What happened there was pure politics, but you're too preoccupied with proving your silly point that no one has a right to complain against that decision, because everyone's lazy to understand that.
very very angry
Very very angry, very very lazy, go fuck yourself.
I don't care about Linux init systems
You keep riding around on this for 3 or 4 posts already, you are trolling. Also, You're not an admin obviously and don't have anything at stake here, so why do you keep talking to me about something you don't understand in such a condescending tone, as if you're the fucking light of the world?
something you have had exceptional difficulty understanding
Something you have exceptional difficulty understanding is what Debian is, what it's community is, and what a big part of the userbase needs.
drop those people and carry on as normal
You seem to not quite understand the issue, maybe you should check out a couple of the discussions?
they were just ad hominem attacks
SystemD is not an init system. Go have a look at one of the links I supplied to you.
I'm done with this discussion. We're talking about totally different things. I have the right to do whatever I fucking feel like, if you don't agree, it's your right to do so. If you don't like my "entitlist attitude" go speak to someone else. I for one know that this change is detrimental, because I'll actually have to deal with it, as part of the Debian community I also have the right to voice my opinion on this matter and demand that they continue on the path that they've been for the last decade and more. I also have the right to tell them to fuck off and go somewhere else (along with many others), which I'm gonna have to reluctantly do, if they don't solve this issue (which they probably will anyway).
Docker is a different, lightweight layer of abstraction
FTFY. (It's not another abstraction layer on top of VMs. I know you meant that.) The first link above is a pretty good introduction, actually.*
so you instead create a Docker container
You can also create (a) docker-file(s) and build it on the 1000 instances. Sometimes it is easier to distribute 1000 almost the same, but a bit different docker files than preparing a container that parses arguments.
*contrary to the information in the article, you can run more than one service/program in a docker container.
Get off your judgmental trip, please! I already said that I contribute at other places, most notably *way* upstream.
Also, Debian is my distro of choice that I was *actively* advocating whenever there was a choice to be made and a situation, where Debian would make sense (almost all of them).
Seeing myself as part of a greater community, of course I am pissed off, when decisions are made that make no. fucking. technical. sense. at. all! I don't care about redhat, ubuntu, mandriva, whatever. But I do care about Debian.
I'm happy there are still some distros available that know what the fuck they're doing and what they're supposed to do and who they serve (hint: it's their users).
This is not a commercial venture. It's for the greater good and as such should be bound to sound (technical) decisions. See, when people talk about MS fucking someone over, even though users pay money, no one ever get's this idea of telling them that "you don't contribute so go fuck yourself!"
I'd also recommend you to stop trying project your own flaws onto other people (me, in this case). As you don't know who the fuck you're dealing with, you are committing a grave error to think of me as lazy, clinging to your "I don't like entitlist people" bullshit. You have absolutely no clue as to who I am, or what I did/am doing. For all you know, I could be RMS, Linus or Tannenbaum, or making software that will create a cure for cancer, or prove that "fracking is bad m'key?" so you can live in a safe environment, or making sure that you have healthcare/electricity/whatever. It's very questionable to jump to such a conclusion (i.e. "bohoo, you're lazy-lazy, bad boy"), because maybe, I was working on something more important than an init system [oh wait, it isn't an init system, it's so much more, it even makes coffee] at the time? Of course, this is just a recommendation and you can do whatever the fuck you want as long as you respect the rights of other people (or not and face the consequences).
No, how should they have gone about the process of considering the change?
Please tell me why this change was necessary in the first place? Oh you can't? Because it wasn't! What this change does, however, is force thousands of people to work more, instead of being able to rely on a proven, working system and spend time with their families/hobbies/etc.
you chose not to give it so you lose out of pure laziness
It. doesn't. matter. whether. I. voted. or. not! If you want to insist on your argument, please prove to me that it did.
Yes it would if you selectively comment, whether you did that or you just didn't read the sentence: ", I don't contribute to the distro and I didn't contribute to the decision on it."
Well, I did contribute to it, and I don't identify with your opinion. Your sentence still sounds like it. You do contribute to society, don't you? So you're entitled to be heard, right? What you're saying sounds to me exactly like: "I'm not a politician, so they should do whatever they please." If you're really so submissive/obedient, it doesn't mean that everyone is.
Or are you just saying nobody should ever change from the UNIX way of doing things
No problem, go and make your SystemD/Linux, or SystemD Debian/Linux or your other project or downstream distro but LEAVE US THE FUCK ALONE WITH YOUR BLOATED SHIT, LENNART!
If it's so good, prove it by merit, not politics, marketing, and propaganda.
you have this entitlist mentality that all these people should do all this work for you when you contribute nothing to them.
You remind me of many Germans, maybe you should move here? You'll probably feel happy, most people here want money for everything they do/say/think, and many people adhere to the mentality that if you didn't pay
I'm in opposition of your entitlist mentality where you think the distro developers should do whatever you want them to do.
So, are you also one of the people that block the passing lane on the highway, because the sign says 55? And I'm in opposition of (stupid) knee-jerk decisions of a distro oriented more or less towards the knowledgeable crowd of users, unlike e.g. Ubuntu.
Let's have a look at the social contract (http://www.debian.org/social_contract), which was recently "upgraded":
First of all, Debian is no longer GNU/Linux. It's just "the Debian system" [1]. Debian doesn't promise to remain 100% Free software anymore, just "100% free." (Yes, yes, according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG), but these may change at a later point). It's now "free works" instead of "free software" and new developments are to be published according to the DFSG, instead of unambiguously as free software. They now "provide an integrated system of high-quality materials with no legal restrictions," instead of "an integrated system of high-quality, 100% free software [...]"
The choice should have been based on technical merit vs. political lobbying and that is what pisses me and many others off.
No, circular reasoning a-la we want gnome, because "think of the children/kittens/whatever", gnome wants systemd, so we want systemd shouldn't have been applied as the technical argument. It's a shame that the init choice is being taken away from the users.
"I have decided to not write anything in this section, considering the aggressive tone I'm getting in return, which is all but fun. Anyway, the problems with Systemd have been debated a lot already, so it is useless to list them here again." (https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/openrc)
http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3031 https://groups.google.com/foru...
Everything else is a google search away.
Oh, and here's the vote, btw: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bi... (the actual vote starts at #6236) "Please decide, because not having systemd as default is a bug"
I'm not going to whine and bitch about it because I am not a distro developer
That reads to me like: "I'm not going to oppose a government decision, because I'm not a politician."
How do you think they should have realistically approached this?
Simple, choose the UNIX way, let the systemd/gnome people create another downstream distro, and let their users have the choice.
[1] Why make the change, Debian GNU/kFreeBSD (or HURD) is basically out anyway, so why change to "Debian system", instead of a more conservative wording?
There's this dimension called time, you might have heard about it. There's a right time to do something and I was busy during that discussion. Yet, oddly, though unsurprising, no one asked me about my opinion. Maybe you want to tell me why you're such a fan of SystemD, or, if not, why you're still trying to troll me, 'cause I honestly don't give a fuck about your parenting attempt on democracy.
This is not about me, it's about a piece of shit software that got pushed down everyone's throat. So if you think you've got me on the defensive by trying to prove to me that all would have been different, if only I would have voiced my opinion during that "discussion", you're wrong. The decision was made somewhere else, and most people opposing this change have been banned.
I'm just a user in this case, my contributions to the FLOSS community lie elsewhere. Now I'll probably have to become a user of another distro, or finally switch my servers to BSD (as I intended a long time ago, before Debian became so convenient).
I'm not the only one, so when you start seeing more and more of the really interesting software come packaged (or documented) for BSD first, you'll understand ; )
Yeah, that position paper is full of FUD and utter BS. Some gems:
Systemd is well designed.
no comment... No, wait, I've got one: LMFAO!
[insert distro here] have already made the choice to use systemd
Great argument. Really! Wow, I'm totally convinced now. Did they jump out of the window too?
Systemd is not just init.
No shit, it's also a DHCP server/client, has NTP, PAM, (auto-) mount handling, system snapshotting, a GUI (WTF?!?),...
That's so totally in line with the unix philosophy and makes so much sense... We all learned in school that tight coupling is what achieves true modularity, which is totally unnecessary anyways. Not!
And then, a third into the page, the limitations start...
GNU/kFreeBSD? Oh, sorry, doesn't work. Corrupted logs? Sorry, won't fix. Etc. etc. etc.
if you don't like it then don't use it and instead support Slackware or Gentoo.
Of course, this is what it's all boiling down to, this group of people are forced to switch. But this group of people is the one going to be laughing when SHTF with systemd and consorts, and certainly, at some point we won't give a fuck, but it's still a hassle and it's the community at large that suffers due to the segregation. Eventually, this "vocal minority" as some people call this group, is the one who's got the brains, apparently.
Then we misunderstood each other, because I don't give a shit about redhat. Haven't used them since 5.x-6.x and never looked back since.
I was specifically talking about the over-the-community's-head decision in Debian, which so many other distros depend upon. It's basically a coup d'etat, IMHO.
Redhat's a different story, of course they should do whatever creates value for their customers (though I doubt systemd does that, as it's a short-term hack vs. a long-term solution and thus represents everything that's wrong with our world). Debian on the other hand serves the community, and introducing a hard dependency on systemd without providing an officially supported alternative is a by all means a disservice to a lot of people.
How do you consider this even an argument? Why do I have to provide them with something? There's a huge userbase that doesn't want this change. Whether it's huge in numbers, or huge in brain-power I can't tell you, but a lot of smart people don't like this change. You can read all about it on the internets, hear about it on the IRCs, or and see elaborate discourse on the place we don't talk about, due to Rule #1 of this place we don't talk about, as well as other venues and forums.
I'm sure you can find some examples around.
To come back to your question, and not be rude to you by replying to it with mine, they should do what the userbase needs, because that's what these projects (and certain news sites, by the way) used to be about, and the reason these communities thrived. This guy and his sith-like-alliance are bringing about a variant of the eternal september instead of the year of the linux desktop, they're the VHS in Betamax vs. VHS, the cheap - not good, the easy - not right way, the hack - not engineer, the symptom - not the cure. Understand? On top of all that, he's also a fucking jerk! [Pardon for this being the only reference.]
I didn't say it, they're saying it themselves. Learn to fucking read, stupid!
"systemd certainly covers more ground that it used to. It's not just an init system anymore, but the basic userspace building block to build an OS from" (http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html)
Did they ask their communities, or did they decide over their head? Come on now. Why should I have to switch systems, just because someone decided to break things, instead of going with the philosophy that built these communities?
I don't like that fucker trying to replace the GNU in GNU/Linux with systemd. You're welcome to go work for Microsoft if you don't like open source or Free software.
that should never even be noticed by an end user
You know, when the "end user" is the administrator, and you're replacing a core part (sorry, parts... Grrr!) of the system with a monolithic, insecure, bug-ridden piece of crap, it will come around and bite you, especially if you try to force it down their throats.
the description of a system component
Sorry to have proved you wrong that this is not an init system.
It's like religious fanaticism.
Yes it is. We want our systems pure, lean and clean.
Wanna make a mess? Go make your own fork, community and shit in your own backyard.
No, because both HTML output and mail merge are text operations that are (very close to the core) functions of an editor (i.e. process placeholders and output formats). DHCP, however, has NOTHING to do with an INIT system. Neither does a GUI, mountpoints or any of the other examples me (and many others) are pointing out all the time.
Now stop trolling and go fuck yourself!
Slashdot Mirror
it's not used in the "fair/equitable" sense in this context
No, it definitely is not ; )
Even so, you see a notification you lack the self control to not reply?
I always have the last word. Let's see who's got more endurance. Game on! ; )
you keep returning which confirms you know I'm not trolling.
Stop pinging me and I will be able to. Leave it. You're not proving anything, neither am I. I'm not complaining to you though, we're on /. for god's sake. We discuss and complain about things like these here. Like we do about, you know, beta for instance.
But that still does not give you any right whatsoever to tell the Debian developers
I *am* a developer. This was not the Debian "developer"'s decision. That's what a GR would have been for, for example. What happened there was pure politics, but you're too preoccupied with proving your silly point that no one has a right to complain against that decision, because everyone's lazy to understand that.
very very angry
Very very angry, very very lazy, go fuck yourself.
I don't care about Linux init systems
You keep riding around on this for 3 or 4 posts already, you are trolling. Also, You're not an admin obviously and don't have anything at stake here, so why do you keep talking to me about something you don't understand in such a condescending tone, as if you're the fucking light of the world?
something you have had exceptional difficulty understanding
Something you have exceptional difficulty understanding is what Debian is, what it's community is, and what a big part of the userbase needs.
drop those people and carry on as normal
You seem to not quite understand the issue, maybe you should check out a couple of the discussions?
they were just ad hominem attacks
SystemD is not an init system. Go have a look at one of the links I supplied to you.
I'm done with this discussion. We're talking about totally different things. I have the right to do whatever I fucking feel like, if you don't agree, it's your right to do so. If you don't like my "entitlist attitude" go speak to someone else.
I for one know that this change is detrimental, because I'll actually have to deal with it, as part of the Debian community I also have the right to voice my opinion on this matter and demand that they continue on the path that they've been for the last decade and more. I also have the right to tell them to fuck off and go somewhere else (along with many others), which I'm gonna have to reluctantly do, if they don't solve this issue (which they probably will anyway).
people like you
Fuck you too ; )
Then show me.
I only show it to hot, nerdy red-heads I wanna impress. You don't sound like on, nor are you sitting across. Tough luck, friend.
Except you don't do that, it is their right to do what they want, not yours!
Who's they? The Debian community, or the couple of fuckwads deciding for everyone else?
Then you aren't reading [...] Are you actually retarded? I already told you multiple times that I don't give a shit about systemd
Uhm, dito. I was talking about Lennart ; )
I wonder how many times a mental detective such as yourself requires this to be told to them before they understand.
FTFY.
Thx. Bye : )
Docker is a different, lightweight layer of abstraction
FTFY. (It's not another abstraction layer on top of VMs. I know you meant that.) The first link above is a pretty good introduction, actually.*
so you instead create a Docker container
You can also create (a) docker-file(s) and build it on the 1000 instances. Sometimes it is easier to distribute 1000 almost the same, but a bit different docker files than preparing a container that parses arguments.
*contrary to the information in the article, you can run more than one service/program in a docker container.
I already said that I contribute at other places, most notably *way* upstream.
Also, Debian is my distro of choice that I was *actively* advocating whenever there was a choice to be made and a situation, where Debian would make sense (almost all of them).
Seeing myself as part of a greater community, of course I am pissed off, when decisions are made that make no. fucking. technical. sense. at. all!
I don't care about redhat, ubuntu, mandriva, whatever. But I do care about Debian.
I'm happy there are still some distros available that know what the fuck they're doing and what they're supposed to do and who they serve (hint: it's their users).
This is not a commercial venture. It's for the greater good and as such should be bound to sound (technical) decisions.
See, when people talk about MS fucking someone over, even though users pay money, no one ever get's this idea of telling them that "you don't contribute so go fuck yourself!"
I'd also recommend you to stop trying project your own flaws onto other people (me, in this case).
As you don't know who the fuck you're dealing with, you are committing a grave error to think of me as lazy, clinging to your "I don't like entitlist people" bullshit.
You have absolutely no clue as to who I am, or what I did/am doing.
For all you know, I could be RMS, Linus or Tannenbaum, or making software that will create a cure for cancer, or prove that "fracking is bad m'key?" so you can live in a safe environment, or making sure that you have healthcare/electricity/whatever.
It's very questionable to jump to such a conclusion (i.e. "bohoo, you're lazy-lazy, bad boy"), because maybe, I was working on something more important than an init system [oh wait, it isn't an init system, it's so much more, it even makes coffee] at the time?
Of course, this is just a recommendation and you can do whatever the fuck you want as long as you respect the rights of other people (or not and face the consequences).
No, how should they have gone about the process of considering the change?
Please tell me why this change was necessary in the first place? Oh you can't? Because it wasn't! What this change does, however, is force thousands of people to work more, instead of being able to rely on a proven, working system and spend time with their families/hobbies/etc.
you chose not to give it so you lose out of pure laziness
It. doesn't. matter. whether. I. voted. or. not!
If you want to insist on your argument, please prove to me that it did.
Yes it would if you selectively comment, whether you did that or you just didn't read the sentence: ", I don't contribute to the distro and I didn't contribute to the decision on it."
Well, I did contribute to it, and I don't identify with your opinion. Your sentence still sounds like it. You do contribute to society, don't you? So you're entitled to be heard, right? What you're saying sounds to me exactly like: "I'm not a politician, so they should do whatever they please." If you're really so submissive/obedient, it doesn't mean that everyone is.
Or are you just saying nobody should ever change from the UNIX way of doing things
No problem, go and make your SystemD/Linux, or SystemD Debian/Linux or your other project or downstream distro but LEAVE US THE FUCK ALONE WITH YOUR BLOATED SHIT, LENNART!
If it's so good, prove it by merit, not politics, marketing, and propaganda.
you have this entitlist mentality that all these people should do all this work for you when you contribute nothing to them.
You remind me of many Germans, maybe you should move here? You'll probably feel happy, most people here want money for everything they do/say/think, and many people adhere to the mentality that if you didn't pay
I'm in opposition of your entitlist mentality where you think the distro developers should do whatever you want them to do.
So, are you also one of the people that block the passing lane on the highway, because the sign says 55? And I'm in opposition of (stupid) knee-jerk decisions of a distro oriented more or less towards the knowledgeable crowd of users, unlike e.g. Ubuntu.
Let's have a look at the social contract (http://www.debian.org/social_contract), which was recently "upgraded":
First of all, Debian is no longer GNU/Linux. It's just "the Debian system" [1]. Debian doesn't promise to remain 100% Free software anymore, just "100% free." (Yes, yes, according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG), but these may change at a later point).
It's now "free works" instead of "free software" and new developments are to be published according to the DFSG, instead of unambiguously as free software.
They now "provide an integrated system of high-quality materials with no legal restrictions," instead of "an integrated system of high-quality, 100% free software [...]"
The choice should have been based on technical merit vs. political lobbying and that is what pisses me and many others off.
No, circular reasoning a-la we want gnome, because "think of the children/kittens/whatever", gnome wants systemd, so we want systemd shouldn't have been applied as the technical argument.
It's a shame that the init choice is being taken away from the users.
Since you've given me that systemd link, here's some more (I'll skip upstart):
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate...
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate...
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate...
Citation?
"I have decided to not write anything in this section, considering the aggressive tone I'm getting in return, which is all but fun. Anyway, the problems with Systemd have been debated a lot already, so it is useless to list them here again." (https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/openrc)
http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3031
https://groups.google.com/foru...
Everything else is a google search away.
Oh, and here's the vote, btw: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bi... (the actual vote starts at #6236) "Please decide, because not having systemd as default is a bug"
Some more arguments:
http://ewontfix.com/14/
http://boycottsystemd.org/
G2G, got more important matters to attend to.
I'm not going to whine and bitch about it because I am not a distro developer
That reads to me like: "I'm not going to oppose a government decision, because I'm not a politician."
How do you think they should have realistically approached this?
Simple, choose the UNIX way, let the systemd/gnome people create another downstream distro, and let their users have the choice.
[1] Why make the change, Debian GNU/kFreeBSD (or HURD) is basically out anyway, so why change to "Debian system", instead of a more conservative wording?
There's this dimension called time, you might have heard about it. There's a right time to do something and I was busy during that discussion. Yet, oddly, though unsurprising, no one asked me about my opinion. Maybe you want to tell me why you're such a fan of SystemD, or, if not, why you're still trying to troll me, 'cause I honestly don't give a fuck about your parenting attempt on democracy.
This is not about me, it's about a piece of shit software that got pushed down everyone's throat.
So if you think you've got me on the defensive by trying to prove to me that all would have been different, if only I would have voiced my opinion during that "discussion", you're wrong. The decision was made somewhere else, and most people opposing this change have been banned.
The politics didn't quite work out in our favor. There's no point, when the decisions are made elsewhere.
I'm just a user in this case, my contributions to the FLOSS community lie elsewhere.
Now I'll probably have to become a user of another distro, or finally switch my servers to BSD (as I intended a long time ago, before Debian became so convenient).
I'm not the only one, so when you start seeing more and more of the really interesting software come packaged (or documented) for BSD first, you'll understand ; )
You keep running around in circles clinging on to your misinformed opinion. Don't worry, I won't try to confuse you with facts any further.
Systemd is well designed.
no comment... No, wait, I've got one: LMFAO!
[insert distro here] have already made the choice to use systemd
Great argument. Really! Wow, I'm totally convinced now. Did they jump out of the window too?
Systemd is not just init.
No shit, it's also a DHCP server/client, has NTP, PAM, (auto-) mount handling, system snapshotting, a GUI (WTF?!?), ...
That's so totally in line with the unix philosophy and makes so much sense... We all learned in school that tight coupling is what achieves true modularity, which is totally unnecessary anyways. Not!
And then, a third into the page, the limitations start...
GNU/kFreeBSD? Oh, sorry, doesn't work. Corrupted logs? Sorry, won't fix. Etc. etc. etc.
if you don't like it then don't use it and instead support Slackware or Gentoo.
Of course, this is what it's all boiling down to, this group of people are forced to switch. But this group of people is the one going to be laughing when SHTF with systemd and consorts, and certainly, at some point we won't give a fuck, but it's still a hassle and it's the community at large that suffers due to the segregation. Eventually, this "vocal minority" as some people call this group, is the one who's got the brains, apparently.
Then we misunderstood each other, because I don't give a shit about redhat. Haven't used them since 5.x-6.x and never looked back since.
I was specifically talking about the over-the-community's-head decision in Debian, which so many other distros depend upon. It's basically a coup d'etat, IMHO.
Redhat's a different story, of course they should do whatever creates value for their customers (though I doubt systemd does that, as it's a short-term hack vs. a long-term solution and thus represents everything that's wrong with our world).
Debian on the other hand serves the community, and introducing a hard dependency on systemd without providing an officially supported alternative is a by all means a disservice to a lot of people.
Apparently, you're a retard.
How do you consider this even an argument? Why do I have to provide them with something? There's a huge userbase that doesn't want this change. Whether it's huge in numbers, or huge in brain-power I can't tell you, but a lot of smart people don't like this change. You can read all about it on the internets, hear about it on the IRCs, or and see elaborate discourse on the place we don't talk about, due to Rule #1 of this place we don't talk about, as well as other venues and forums.
I'm sure you can find some examples around.
To come back to your question, and not be rude to you by replying to it with mine, they should do what the userbase needs, because that's what these projects (and certain news sites, by the way) used to be about, and the reason these communities thrived.
This guy and his sith-like-alliance are bringing about a variant of the eternal september instead of the year of the linux desktop, they're the VHS in Betamax vs. VHS, the cheap - not good, the easy - not right way, the hack - not engineer, the symptom - not the cure. Understand? On top of all that, he's also a fucking jerk! [Pardon for this being the only reference.]
"systemd certainly covers more ground that it used to. It's not just an init system anymore, but the basic userspace building block to build an OS from" (http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html)
In response to your
Yes it is.
Punk!
Did they ask their communities, or did they decide over their head? Come on now. Why should I have to switch systems, just because someone decided to break things, instead of going with the philosophy that built these communities?
switch to something else rather than doing work to change it.
All because of some assholes that wanted to decide for everyone else.
that should never even be noticed by an end user
You know, when the "end user" is the administrator, and you're replacing a core part (sorry, parts... Grrr!) of the system with a monolithic, insecure, bug-ridden piece of crap, it will come around and bite you, especially if you try to force it down their throats.
the description of a system component
Sorry to have proved you wrong that this is not an init system.
It's like religious fanaticism.
Yes it is. We want our systems pure, lean and clean.
Wanna make a mess? Go make your own fork, community and shit in your own backyard.
No, because both HTML output and mail merge are text operations that are (very close to the core) functions of an editor (i.e. process placeholders and output formats).
DHCP, however, has NOTHING to do with an INIT system. Neither does a GUI, mountpoints or any of the other examples me (and many others) are pointing out all the time.
Now stop trolling and go fuck yourself!
here you go
What a jerk!
RDBMS
Don't worry, they'll integrate Oracle soon enough.