I had a glance at the wikipage you link to, and from what I see his feats are... "staying warm".
No, that seems to be it. Sure, in some contexts he does it while climbing mountains and running marathons, but really all he does is maintain bodyheat better than most.
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You seem to be the person here sticking to your guns religiously rather than objectively discussing the topic.
Honestly, I'm sitting here laughing at your increasingly desperate attempts to escape stepping outside your comfort zone. Then we get to the part where you said "well he's naturally inclined towards the cold", followed up by the impressively counterintuitive "people are evolved to hunt over long distances in the heat".
Now I know how bibles get written.
If those stories aren't fairy tales I look forward to seeing your non-anecdotal evidence of them.
Do I look like your research secretary? A poster above already referenced hysterical strength, dig through nazi survival archives on your own time.
True, he doesn't move at all in the ice boxes.
So in fact you just pulled nonsense out of your ass and ran with it, in a similar manner to the abovementioned hot/cold denigration.
And was it david blaine or some such that held his breath for 17 minutes under water? Not a mystic, just an illusionist who went through physical conditioning and training to do it. The human body is indeed capable of some crazy shit, and if you want to attribute that to mystical powers then well... To paraphrase a funny man - I don't know if there are drugs you are taking, or drugs you should be taking...
This gets funnier by the moment. Where do I attribute anything to mystical powers?
Or in other words, whatever floats your boat, but I'll stick to the science, thanks. You can keep your superstitions.
And for the record, I'm not atheist, I'm taoist.
Keeping things eastern, figure out this koan for me: what is the sound of laughter, when your face is in your palm?
Yes. This: "Mothers lifting overturned vehicles to free a trapped child, a prisoner in the Nazi concentration camps whose name escapes me at the moment describing seeing men literally give up, they ate their last potato, lay down, and died for no particular medical reason." are examples of old anecdotal fairy tales that you compared Wim Hof to.
Neither of those are fairy tales.
The fact that he does so under extreme physical exertion actually makes it easier, not harder
Except for the part where he doesn't move at all in the ice boxes.
Or, if your new claim is correct which I have no reason to doubt (like I said I was merely going off a skim of the wikipedia page, which I didn't see mention anything about a desert) to control his bodytemperature overall. It's the same methodology in both directions, so I don't really see the issue here. In fact staying cool in hot climates is a lot less impressive - humans evolved specifically to be able to run long distances in the heat without overheating.
Genetics is your god of the gaps, isn't it.
I have plenty of imagination and sense of wonder
No, you don't. What you have is a religion. A nice safe comfortable place where you can sit and look at the wonders of the world and say, nothing special. Then something like this comes along and your boat is rocked, and you don't like it.
Yes, he is clearly an exception specimen of the human race, I never tried to denigrate his achievements... as I said, compare him to the olympians, the best of the best. But don't compare him to fairytales or try to claim his powers are supernatural or mystical... that belittles his achievements as much as it belittles yourself.
So you denigrate his achievements with one post then deny you were doing so in the next, after hauling out a strawman about supernatural powers. You aren't rational, you aren't realistic, and you certainly aren't right. What you are is out of your depth.;-)
Why? Because Buddhist? Because yoga? If you're defining magic as something that science can't explain and never will explain, of course there's no magic here. But there certainly is a lot we don't understand yet. Tummo yoga is only one of many such disciplines, and its practices do in fact deal with internal body temperatures. Some of the wilder stories I'd be very doubtful of, but I'm equally certain that its not nearly as cut and dried as our still relatively primitive comprehension of ourselves would lead one to believe.
The bottom line is, if you have information that the people from the Guinness Book of World Records should know about Wim Hof, maybe you should give them a call. Until such time, it works, provably and repeatably.
I find it interesting that you translated what I said to "compare him to old anecdotal fairy tales of mystic powers". This I would view as a symptom of the bizarre extremist rational atheism (in fact irrational religion) which seems popular in certain circles, which views any expression of amazement at unusual events or people as being a direct challenge to all of science, when in fact its only a challenge to your dogmatism. That's dogmatism mind, not realism.
And this after attempting to denigrate his achievements as just "staying warm", with a tip of the hat towards the old genetics canard. The man climbed 7/8ths of the way up Mount Everest in his shorts, sits up to his neck in ice for hours at a stretch (they had to cut him out with axes in one demonstration, the thing had frozen solid), and hey, he just ran a marathon in one of the hottest deserts on earth, 40 degrees celcius, at age 52, without water. So much for just "staying warm".
If you know about cold, as you claim, you know very well just how lethal exposure can be and how quickly it can kill - survival training basics, the rule of threes, three hours of exposure, three days without water, three weeks without food, thats how long it will take to become incapacitated. And thats in relatively livable conditions, not north of the Arctic circle, making his achievements all the more remarkable.
My advice, grow an imagination and a sense of wonder, you're as much of a threat to science as any right wing religious nutjob at the moment.
Wim uses Buddhist meditation and yoga techniques, specifically Tummo (inner fire) yoga, to survive quite happily in conditions that would quite quickly kill most other people, so who knows what other doors we can open? The book isn't written yet by a long shot, if there's a mental switch in there I bet we can flip it! Buddhists, the hackers of the mind.
Wim Hof holds eighteen world records last time I counted, he appears to be perfectly capable of reproducing the events.;) I don't think we really want to reproduce concentration camps, but very serious survival literature is replete with similar stories.
There are many examples outside the laboratory to look at in order to see the power of the mind over the body. Mothers lifting overturned vehicles to free a trapped child, a prisoner in the Nazi concentration camps whose name escapes me at the moment describing seeing men literally give up, they ate their last potato, lay down, and died for no particular medical reason. On a more upbeat note, someone like Wim Hof, who can control the temperature of his body to an incredible degree, is a living example of what we can do. Science has really only begun to probe the full extent of the control that can be achieved.
Does Firefox have its own search engine? It would be great for them to set one up in competition with Google, turnabout is fair play after all, but I fear Google paying them so much money might put the kibosh on that. A fully fledged open source search engine with a behemoth like Firefox behind it, now that would be something to behold.
Hold on there. The only reason the mafia didn't vanish after prohibition ended was because they moved directly to heroin. They started using it to control prostitutes then cut out the middleman and just sold it directly to the vulnerable. Violence and crime will absolutely drop if drug prohibition ends. If the drug cartels have no or much less money, they have no power.
The main question here is whether or not crime rates are lower in these countries, and they are not, to my knowledge. The Netherlands with its much laxer narcotics regime however is taking in prisoners from other countries because they haven't enough to fill their own.
Personally I don't think its the best idea to try and turn Yahoo into Google, it needs to find its own strengths and play to them, and tackle new markets where there aren't many established superplayers just yet, in order to compete on a more even footing.
Yep, the end of meat is nowhere in sight. I can buy two chickens for six euros, that's five days of curry, fajita, teriyaki sushi, adobo, and plain old gravy dinners.
Navigating without electronic aids is still taught as a basic part of maritime training, in bushcraft and military training too.
I think the article is a bit heavy on the hyperbole, Google and the entire internet is a tool that can be used just like any tool. I've internalised it as much as I've internalised my keyboard or toaster.
So greedy corporations don't just wait for JK Rowling's works to expire and make a huge mint without paying her a penny. Same goes for book publishers. I'd prefer 12 years for free, then a modest sum for each work to 24 years, then much larger costs after that to maintain it, to a maximum of 48 years.
Yes you will get fat, and if you eat enough of anything, you will get sick. Its a simple equation, energy in, energy out. What isn't used up or turned into waste gets stored as fat. That's why its usually recommended for people who sit all day looking at screens to just eat less.
Taleb is an idiot whose success can be boiled down to watching which way the market is going, then doing the opposite. No black swans or other ominous-coloured fowl required. He has no particular insights to share on any other topics, as far as I'm aware.
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I never denigrated his achievements -
I had a glance at the wikipage you link to, and from what I see his feats are... "staying warm".
No, that seems to be it. Sure, in some contexts he does it while climbing mountains and running marathons, but really all he does is maintain bodyheat better than most.
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You seem to be the person here sticking to your guns religiously rather than objectively discussing the topic.
Honestly, I'm sitting here laughing at your increasingly desperate attempts to escape stepping outside your comfort zone. Then we get to the part where you said "well he's naturally inclined towards the cold", followed up by the impressively counterintuitive "people are evolved to hunt over long distances in the heat".
Now I know how bibles get written.
If those stories aren't fairy tales I look forward to seeing your non-anecdotal evidence of them.
Do I look like your research secretary? A poster above already referenced hysterical strength, dig through nazi survival archives on your own time.
True, he doesn't move at all in the ice boxes.
So in fact you just pulled nonsense out of your ass and ran with it, in a similar manner to the abovementioned hot/cold denigration.
And was it david blaine or some such that held his breath for 17 minutes under water? Not a mystic, just an illusionist who went through physical conditioning and training to do it. The human body is indeed capable of some crazy shit, and if you want to attribute that to mystical powers then well... To paraphrase a funny man - I don't know if there are drugs you are taking, or drugs you should be taking...
This gets funnier by the moment. Where do I attribute anything to mystical powers?
Or in other words, whatever floats your boat, but I'll stick to the science, thanks. You can keep your superstitions.
And for the record, I'm not atheist, I'm taoist.
Keeping things eastern, figure out this koan for me: what is the sound of laughter, when your face is in your palm?
Yes. This: "Mothers lifting overturned vehicles to free a trapped child, a prisoner in the Nazi concentration camps whose name escapes me at the moment describing seeing men literally give up, they ate their last potato, lay down, and died for no particular medical reason." are examples of old anecdotal fairy tales that you compared Wim Hof to.
Neither of those are fairy tales.
The fact that he does so under extreme physical exertion actually makes it easier, not harder
Except for the part where he doesn't move at all in the ice boxes.
Or, if your new claim is correct which I have no reason to doubt (like I said I was merely going off a skim of the wikipedia page, which I didn't see mention anything about a desert) to control his bodytemperature overall. It's the same methodology in both directions, so I don't really see the issue here. In fact staying cool in hot climates is a lot less impressive - humans evolved specifically to be able to run long distances in the heat without overheating.
Genetics is your god of the gaps, isn't it.
I have plenty of imagination and sense of wonder
No, you don't. What you have is a religion. A nice safe comfortable place where you can sit and look at the wonders of the world and say, nothing special. Then something like this comes along and your boat is rocked, and you don't like it.
Yes, he is clearly an exception specimen of the human race, I never tried to denigrate his achievements... as I said, compare him to the olympians, the best of the best. But don't compare him to fairytales or try to claim his powers are supernatural or mystical... that belittles his achievements as much as it belittles yourself.
So you denigrate his achievements with one post then deny you were doing so in the next, after hauling out a strawman about supernatural powers. You aren't rational, you aren't realistic, and you certainly aren't right. What you are is out of your depth. ;-)
Why? Because Buddhist? Because yoga? If you're defining magic as something that science can't explain and never will explain, of course there's no magic here. But there certainly is a lot we don't understand yet. Tummo yoga is only one of many such disciplines, and its practices do in fact deal with internal body temperatures. Some of the wilder stories I'd be very doubtful of, but I'm equally certain that its not nearly as cut and dried as our still relatively primitive comprehension of ourselves would lead one to believe.
The bottom line is, if you have information that the people from the Guinness Book of World Records should know about Wim Hof, maybe you should give them a call. Until such time, it works, provably and repeatably.
I find it interesting that you translated what I said to "compare him to old anecdotal fairy tales of mystic powers". This I would view as a symptom of the bizarre extremist rational atheism (in fact irrational religion) which seems popular in certain circles, which views any expression of amazement at unusual events or people as being a direct challenge to all of science, when in fact its only a challenge to your dogmatism. That's dogmatism mind, not realism.
And this after attempting to denigrate his achievements as just "staying warm", with a tip of the hat towards the old genetics canard. The man climbed 7/8ths of the way up Mount Everest in his shorts, sits up to his neck in ice for hours at a stretch (they had to cut him out with axes in one demonstration, the thing had frozen solid), and hey, he just ran a marathon in one of the hottest deserts on earth, 40 degrees celcius, at age 52, without water. So much for just "staying warm".
If you know about cold, as you claim, you know very well just how lethal exposure can be and how quickly it can kill - survival training basics, the rule of threes, three hours of exposure, three days without water, three weeks without food, thats how long it will take to become incapacitated. And thats in relatively livable conditions, not north of the Arctic circle, making his achievements all the more remarkable.
My advice, grow an imagination and a sense of wonder, you're as much of a threat to science as any right wing religious nutjob at the moment.
Yes, that was my point.
Wim uses Buddhist meditation and yoga techniques, specifically Tummo (inner fire) yoga, to survive quite happily in conditions that would quite quickly kill most other people, so who knows what other doors we can open? The book isn't written yet by a long shot, if there's a mental switch in there I bet we can flip it! Buddhists, the hackers of the mind.
Wim Hof holds eighteen world records last time I counted, he appears to be perfectly capable of reproducing the events. ;) I don't think we really want to reproduce concentration camps, but very serious survival literature is replete with similar stories.
There are many examples outside the laboratory to look at in order to see the power of the mind over the body. Mothers lifting overturned vehicles to free a trapped child, a prisoner in the Nazi concentration camps whose name escapes me at the moment describing seeing men literally give up, they ate their last potato, lay down, and died for no particular medical reason. On a more upbeat note, someone like Wim Hof, who can control the temperature of his body to an incredible degree, is a living example of what we can do. Science has really only begun to probe the full extent of the control that can be achieved.
Indeed, witness Silverlight. I can't wait for the accepted standard to be implemented in browsers though, it opens a whole world of possibilities.
Does Firefox have its own search engine? It would be great for them to set one up in competition with Google, turnabout is fair play after all, but I fear Google paying them so much money might put the kibosh on that. A fully fledged open source search engine with a behemoth like Firefox behind it, now that would be something to behold.
I don't think any of the young people I know are even aware of what twitter is. Hope the police didn't pay too much for the training!
Men mass murdering women because of an alien parasite is plausible?
Hold on there. The only reason the mafia didn't vanish after prohibition ended was because they moved directly to heroin. They started using it to control prostitutes then cut out the middleman and just sold it directly to the vulnerable. Violence and crime will absolutely drop if drug prohibition ends. If the drug cartels have no or much less money, they have no power.
No drug, not even alcohol, can bring out of a person something that was not already in that person.
In Vino Veritas is nonsense. Here's one link and there's a lot more research done out there on the mechanics of narcotic-induced personality changes.
http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=28482
The main question here is whether or not crime rates are lower in these countries, and they are not, to my knowledge. The Netherlands with its much laxer narcotics regime however is taking in prisoners from other countries because they haven't enough to fill their own.
http://googleblog.blogspot.ie/2011/02/microsofts-bing-uses-google-search.html
Personally I don't think its the best idea to try and turn Yahoo into Google, it needs to find its own strengths and play to them, and tackle new markets where there aren't many established superplayers just yet, in order to compete on a more even footing.
So in fact the summary is completely nonsensical?
How could this happen on /. of all places?
Sure yeah, raw fish isn't allowed hereabouts so everything is cooked. Teriyaki chicken sushi, delicious. Road food for warriors.
Yep, the end of meat is nowhere in sight. I can buy two chickens for six euros, that's five days of curry, fajita, teriyaki sushi, adobo, and plain old gravy dinners.
Navigating without electronic aids is still taught as a basic part of maritime training, in bushcraft and military training too.
I think the article is a bit heavy on the hyperbole, Google and the entire internet is a tool that can be used just like any tool. I've internalised it as much as I've internalised my keyboard or toaster.
The downside is some Cantons didn't give women the vote until the 1990s.
So greedy corporations don't just wait for JK Rowling's works to expire and make a huge mint without paying her a penny. Same goes for book publishers. I'd prefer 12 years for free, then a modest sum for each work to 24 years, then much larger costs after that to maintain it, to a maximum of 48 years.
Yes you will get fat, and if you eat enough of anything, you will get sick. Its a simple equation, energy in, energy out. What isn't used up or turned into waste gets stored as fat. That's why its usually recommended for people who sit all day looking at screens to just eat less.
Taleb is an idiot whose success can be boiled down to watching which way the market is going, then doing the opposite. No black swans or other ominous-coloured fowl required. He has no particular insights to share on any other topics, as far as I'm aware.