who ever said that patrick, or slackware users in general, had a disdain for GUI's? you sir, are either ignorantly repeating hearsay, or trolling. bad, bad, bad!
PS. by-the-way, if it were for patrick, GNOME would be booted rightaway *grin*
"first slashdot troll post investigation" (or something) is an old time threadslapped classic. i don't feel like looking it up, but maybe some other person in this thread?:)
because change requires organisation and time. the discussion was going on for quite a while already.
slackware is a pragmatic distro, and patrick listens to his users. he asked for opinions, created an email adress for it, and concluded that 4 to 1 in favour of X.Org, plus the compatibility issues, were arguments enough to switch.
slackware (patrick) has always been careful with changing stuff around. and although his opinions aren't popular sometimes, he keeps his users in mind. i've heard he would (for example) boot gnome if he could get away with it:)
yet it's still in slackware, which is one of the reasons we need two slack CDs instead of one nowadays.
hehe, that's just because linux users are so eager to compile and install every new kernel release:P
seriously, i would be worried if a system was up so long. of course it means that the system is stable, but it also means that security patches to the kernel have not been applied for a *long* time...
i prefer a secure sytem with an uptime of 2 minutes over and insecure one with an uptime of 2 years. but hey, that's just me...
"... and we think about software-based solutions to information technology problems and how our software can drive down cost. That's pretty distinct from, say, an IBM that is first and foremost a consulting company. Our focus is how to provide more out-of-the-box solutions that don't require those consulting services."
MS always uses the "low cost - no need for expertise" argument, yet always fails to deliver. windows consultants will always be needed. IMHO, when you make a swiss-knife piece of software, you'll always need an expert to implement that part of the swiss knife you actually need in a specific situation.
i don't think you'll spend less on consultancy, as compared to other solutions such as linux...
oh i agree withyou. arguments for and against cannot be found, simply because the experiment was never performed succesfully:)
you can speculate all you like about the feasibility of communism, i just object to someone who present it as a fact. because it's clearly not. mind you, i am not referring to you. your comment makes perfect sense
opinions i will always welcome, when presented as such. i personally think that many good principles of the communistic theories found their application in socialistic-democratic parties (yeah we have those in Europe:) )
"Most Chinese are not as savy as the average Slashdot reader."
how many Chinese people do you actually know? it amazes me someone can say something like this with a straight face. i have yet to encounter a site with so many political fuckwits (excusez-le mot) than slashdot. tech-savy? perhaps. being able to copy-paste links from sites that are heavily biased by media and propaganda? for sure.
we Westerners have too much of a superiority complex. China is struggling like hell to transform from yet another failing 'Communistic' dictature (notice the quotation marks!) to a free market economy.
the other day i saw a documentary where a guy was talking who studied transitions from dictatorial regimes to democracies. the paradoxical conclusion he gave was that the few countries who succesfully changed into democratical society were the ones where a dictator stayed in place, forcing things to evolve slowly, and then letting go when the infrastructure to support democarcy was sort-of in place. the countries where revolutions took place where the ones where one dictatorship was just replaced by another.
i found this highly insightful, and completely logic. revolutionaries are not the ones suitable to build democracy in the chaos after a revolution. the process of installing a democracy might be better off with gradual, *enforced* change. which is exactly what they are doing with China at the moment.
wait and see. within the next few decades, China will be a force to reckon with. and, with time, democracy will be the norm there.
(and yes, i am appaled by the images of students run over by tanks as much as any other person)
well show me the first real communist society, and i'll buy your argument that communism doesn't work. it was never applied anywhere in this world, so how do you know it doesn't work?
arguments over non-existant political systems are futile IMO
Raising kids in a religious environment is child abuse.
what an unnecessary.sig
very untrue as well, any atheist or agnostic (like me) with a proper mindset would not conclude this. just because you may have had some bad experiences doesn't mean that every child growing up in a religious environment is abused.
please think about removing it, because you will not achieve anything positive with it. you'll just irritate people, and induce flame.
i know this is OT, but i don't mind wasting some karma on this.
Actually, I've read everything up to my post and all of your post and I still believe that no bullshit was called let's agree to disagree then...
(AND that it's a stupid saying). focussing on an argument instead of on a pet peeve is much more productive in a discussion. all IMHO of course.
I believe everyone CAN boycott the RIAA if the will is there. face it, the will is not there in the majority of the population.
and i still think it's BS, because boycots will kill your favorite "teet-sucking band" before the RIAA feels anything.
anyway you can scream from your side of the fence and me from the other. it's silly, we don't disagree that much. you're an idealits, i lost many of my ideals a while ago and became a bit more realistic. gotta pay the mortgage, right?
ok the issue is about code that reads subtitles. other comments here already pointed out that (at least some of the) source is available at the KISS website
besides possible GPL violation what i find disturbing is that apparently no credit was given to the mplayer developers.
one of the main motivations of working on something for free is being appreciated and acknowledged for the work you do. kill the motivation, and you kill the incentive to release for free. it's a gift, right?
but the comparison you made was between the USA and europe, not denmark. it's a bit unfair to compare the costs in this way, and this was the point i was trying to make.
but nevermind:) i'm going to celebrate 2004 tonight, no more/. today! hurray!
in europe, the caller only pays if it's a local call. when you travel outside your own country a lot (like me) *you* pay!
the idea of warning what it will cost you is great, but get the phone companies to do this... i guess not. if you go outside your own country in europe, the even charge you for voicemail messages you receive (not sure about sms, though). so if you refuse the call, and forgot to disable the voicemail service, you pay. nice, eh...
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yeah i should learn to keep my big mouth shut when someone takes someone else too seriously. nevermind me. :)
lol!
10 years ago there was no google.
funny guy
hey fred! is that you?
(probably now ex) as400 programmer living in the NL polder?
who ever said that patrick, or slackware users in general, had a disdain for GUI's? you sir, are either ignorantly repeating hearsay, or trolling. bad, bad, bad!
PS. by-the-way, if it were for patrick, GNOME would be booted rightaway *grin*
nothing. nothing at all...
:D
then again, why the hell are you browisng slashdot?
this is a post to remember (tm)
"And don't tell me that that's "just like in Windows"."
no, that's just like in midnight commander. you know, the predecessor to GMC, later replaced by nautilus?
funny how things go
"And this is where something like Grokdoc would come in handy, though it doesn't cover Samba."
well, it's a friggin' wiki, start the topic i'd say
use of kioslaves doesn't require a full kde desktop running.
i run enlightenment, and use konqueror for filemanagement (especially transferring to remote hosts and vice versa).
this setup uses a lot less resources than a full kde desktop, i can tell you.
"first slashdot troll post investigation" (or something) is an old time threadslapped classic. i don't feel like looking it up, but maybe some other person in this thread? :)
because change requires organisation and time. the discussion was going on for quite a while already.
:)
slackware is a pragmatic distro, and patrick listens to his users. he asked for opinions, created an email adress for it, and concluded that 4 to 1 in favour of X.Org, plus the compatibility issues, were arguments enough to switch.
slackware (patrick) has always been careful with changing stuff around. and although his opinions aren't popular sometimes, he keeps his users in mind. i've heard he would (for example) boot gnome if he could get away with it
yet it's still in slackware, which is one of the reasons we need two slack CDs instead of one nowadays.
hehe, that's just because linux users are so eager to compile and install every new kernel release :P
seriously, i would be worried if a system was up so long. of course it means that the system is stable, but it also means that security patches to the kernel have not been applied for a *long* time...
i prefer a secure sytem with an uptime of 2 minutes over and insecure one with an uptime of 2 years. but hey, that's just me...
the guy says:
"... and we think about software-based solutions to information technology problems and how our software can drive down cost. That's pretty distinct from, say, an IBM that is first and foremost a consulting company. Our focus is how to provide more out-of-the-box solutions that don't require those consulting services."
MS always uses the "low cost - no need for expertise" argument, yet always fails to deliver. windows consultants will always be needed. IMHO, when you make a swiss-knife piece of software, you'll always need an expert to implement that part of the swiss knife you actually need in a specific situation.
i don't think you'll spend less on consultancy, as compared to other solutions such as linux...
yes, this was one of the examples the man was referring to in this documentary. one of the few.
oh i agree withyou. arguments for and against cannot be found, simply because the experiment was never performed succesfully :)
:) )
you can speculate all you like about the feasibility of communism, i just object to someone who present it as a fact. because it's clearly not. mind you, i am not referring to you. your comment makes perfect sense
opinions i will always welcome, when presented as such. i personally think that many good principles of the communistic theories found their application in socialistic-democratic parties (yeah we have those in Europe
"Most Chinese are not as savy as the average Slashdot reader."
how many Chinese people do you actually know? it amazes me someone can say something like this with a straight face. i have yet to encounter a site with so many political fuckwits (excusez-le mot) than slashdot. tech-savy? perhaps. being able to copy-paste links from sites that are heavily biased by media and propaganda? for sure.
we Westerners have too much of a superiority complex. China is struggling like hell to transform from yet another failing 'Communistic' dictature (notice the quotation marks!) to a free market economy.
the other day i saw a documentary where a guy was talking who studied transitions from dictatorial regimes to democracies. the paradoxical conclusion he gave was that the few countries who succesfully changed into democratical society were the ones where a dictator stayed in place, forcing things to evolve slowly, and then letting go when the infrastructure to support democarcy was sort-of in place. the countries where revolutions took place where the ones where one dictatorship was just replaced by another.
i found this highly insightful, and completely logic. revolutionaries are not the ones suitable to build democracy in the chaos after a revolution. the process of installing a democracy might be better off with gradual, *enforced* change. which is exactly what they are doing with China at the moment.
wait and see. within the next few decades, China will be a force to reckon with. and, with time, democracy will be the norm there.
(and yes, i am appaled by the images of students run over by tanks as much as any other person)
well show me the first real communist society, and i'll buy your argument that communism doesn't work. it was never applied anywhere in this world, so how do you know it doesn't work?
arguments over non-existant political systems are futile IMO
It's not wasted karma, it's invested karma.
you are right.
it's good to see that some people here do have an open mind. i agree 100% with your post.
PS browsing at -1, woah. that's masochism!
Raising kids in a religious environment is child abuse.
.sig
what an unnecessary
very untrue as well, any atheist or agnostic (like me) with a proper mindset would not conclude this. just because you may have had some bad experiences doesn't mean that every child growing up in a religious environment is abused.
please think about removing it, because you will not achieve anything positive with it. you'll just irritate people, and induce flame.
i know this is OT, but i don't mind wasting some karma on this.
Actually, I've read everything up to my post and all of your post and I still believe that no bullshit was called
let's agree to disagree then...
(AND that it's a stupid saying).
focussing on an argument instead of on a pet peeve is much more productive in a discussion. all IMHO of course.
I believe everyone CAN boycott the RIAA if the will is there.
face it, the will is not there in the majority of the population.
and i still think it's BS, because boycots will kill your favorite "teet-sucking band" before the RIAA feels anything.
anyway you can scream from your side of the fence and me from the other. it's silly, we don't disagree that much. you're an idealits, i lost many of my ideals a while ago and became a bit more realistic. gotta pay the mortgage, right?
software is not the same as art/music. it serves a practical purpose.
and even if i would follow you analogy of RIAA/indie is like M$/GNU... most people prefer M$. i might not like it, you might not, but many people do.
so you disagree with the system, and create an alternative, and expect the rest of the world to agree with that?
i happen to like some of the "industry teat-sucking bands"! in your scheme i'm not allowed to support them out of idealism?
i agree that the system sucks. but i like music, not only indie music.
ok the issue is about code that reads subtitles. other comments here already pointed out that (at least some of the) source is available at the KISS website
besides possible GPL violation what i find disturbing is that apparently no credit was given to the mplayer developers.
one of the main motivations of working on something for free is being appreciated and acknowledged for the work you do. kill the motivation, and you kill the incentive to release for free. it's a gift, right?
of course you are right :)
:) i'm going to celebrate 2004 tonight, no more /. today! hurray!
but the comparison you made was between the USA and europe, not denmark. it's a bit unfair to compare the costs in this way, and this was the point i was trying to make.
but nevermind
in europe, the caller only pays if it's a local call. when you travel outside your own country a lot (like me) *you* pay!
the idea of warning what it will cost you is great, but get the phone companies to do this... i guess not. if you go outside your own country in europe, the even charge you for voicemail messages you receive (not sure about sms, though). so if you refuse the call, and forgot to disable the voicemail service, you pay. nice, eh...