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Mozilla 1.7, Firefox 0.9 Release Candidates Out
An anonymous reader writes "mozilla.org have released what are expected to be the final release candidates for their next versions: Mozilla 1.7RC3 (MozillaZine article; download) should iron out any final bugs in what will replace 1.4 as the new stable branch and Firefox 0.9RC (MozillaZine article; download) features the new default theme ported from Mac OS on Windows (though please bear in mind that the theme is nowhere near finished yet). The final releases of these versions are due very soon."
...is here.
FWIW, CVS 1.11.17 - the security release that happened this morning - is up there too.
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What with all the changing standards on the web, we need browsers to continue to evolve and do... the same thing as before.
Debian is still shipping Netscape 4.7...
THe linux gtk installer version of this RC tells me to exit all Windows programs before running Setup.
DONE!
My main gripe with Mozilla is that when you leave it alone for about 30 minutes or so and come back, it takes like 15-50 seconds to be active again, which is extremely annoying (loading it from virtual mem ?). They really need to fix that
Also, some pages like WashingtonPost.com have a problem where it is constantly reloading itself (perhaps a JS error).
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Had I known that installing both these packages would cause a new version release the next day, I would have done it much sooner.
Time to go wash my car.
Is there a mozilla variant out there that mimicks the look and feel of IE yet? Jokes aside, I really hate installing mozilla only to uninstall it everytime because it simply doesn't work with my old habits.
Sigh...
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So, what will be the name of Firefox's new version? (I vote for Powercthüllu. Got to love Firesomething :)
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Anyone wanna seed the firefox d/l?
Anyone notice that there are editor holy wars (vi emacs), distro holy wars, but no 'browser' holy wars (yeah, ie vs mozilla, but that windows vs linux... I'm talking all in linux). Stuff like 'theme isn't finished' would be jumped on by the 'other browser' elitists. So linux needs a second open source free browser project so we can have a browser holywar.
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
Just installed, theme is hideous. But it's very snappy.
Has anyone noticed differences between the HTML engines in Mozilla? Using Mozilla/Firefox on a Linux distro, there are certain style sheets that do not display correctly (mostly hidden behind a graphic or otherwise), but seem to work fine under Mozilla/Firefox in Windows. An example is www.aicipc.com.
I'm very disappointed. I was under the impression that open source and the ingenuity of a team of dedicated, enthusiastic developers could finally push Rapid NameChange(TM) technology into the mainstream.
It was just discussed earlier today that some users cant install Mozilla on restricted systems but you can download the zip files on run from any directory. So there is no need to patch IE. Just start with mozilla.
Some option you will want to use are under edit -> preferences -> Navigator:
+ Tabbed browsing - turn on Load Links in background, Add, Tabs, Middle click and ctrl-enter
+ Smart browsing - Enable Internet Keywords, Auto complete, Domain Guessing
The key for someone new is to try it. Don't listen to everyone one trying to shove Mozilla at you, but simply check it out for say 3 days. If you don't like it then that is ok but I bet you will start saying that it's a great browser.
Since spyware has gone cross-platform thanks to the XPI extensions, they've now implemented a whitelist (see What's New) in retaliation.
This really is open source at its best. Microsoft has not responded to the same problems involving ActiveX.
Is Camino still being worked on at all? It's been 0.8b since like early 2003.
Sure there is...to some extent. Mostly it's between gecko-based and KHTML-based browsers.
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Why do they put a default theme that is "nowhere near finished" in a product that's "due very soon"?
Yes, I know Firefox is "for those on the cutting edge", and I guess we shouldn't expect cutting-edge products to be completely finished in every respect, but Firefox is the only open source product most of my Windows-using friends are willing to even try. It would be a shame to hamper its continued spread by making the default theme an unfinished one.
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I just installed the windows version (will install the linux version when I get home from work) nand in the installer it says that I am installing version .8. In the about dialog it says that I have version .8+.
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I don't know about Mozilla, but the last time I upgraded Firefix (0.8), the installer pick up all of the bookmarks, stored form information, etc.
... features the new default theme ported from Mac OS on Windows ...
Does that mean the next release of Camino will have the Windows look/feel ported to MacOS X? (I hope not!)
Also, didja notice that someone's already squatted mozzila.org?
The new "Winstripe" theme actually looks pretty good, considering it's only at an alpha stage.
Just remember how nasty Qute (The old Firefox theme) looked when it was alpha. =O
By the time Firefox 1.0 comes out, I'm sure it will look fine.
Download 0.9, and it owns! Yet again Mozilla comes out with an awesome browser ;). I've always loved the tabs, and the best part is that no matter how much adware I have on my system, it never pops up, because I don't use IE ;)
Am I the only one confused by a "release candidate" for version 0.9?
It's not even 1.0 yet, you can't rely on it to be stable (although I have found 0.8 to work better than IE, which is supposedly stable).
Why not call it 0.85 if it's not 0.9?
Seems a bit faster to start up than before and the warning on closing a window with multiple tabs open is long overdue. The new theme, however, is pretty disgusting (except the "throbber") and most of the themes out there don't seem to be backwards compatible.
Anybody know if old bug of HTML Rendering Crashes IE still works on some IE/Windows. If you're very brave, you can test/crash your IE by going here
Did you?
Am I the only one that both on windows and linux find the mozilla to be faster at startup, better working with plugins and more stable?
Excuse me but on real heavy load (like 60 tabs of large pages) mozilla manages well when firefox at least to me with the official binaries crashes.
I'm talking about the 0.8.
What about Konqueror, you jackass.
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Since there'll probably be a 0.9 final out in a few days, I'll stick with my 0.8 at the moment. But I'd really like to get a look at the new theme. Unfortunately I can't find one on their site. Has anybody got a picture they can share?
what are the benefits of using firefox and thunderbird over using the normal mozilla?
I've been using mozilla for a long time, and haven't had a reason to try the new offsprings, so I'm mainly looking for an overview.
Well, I downloaded and installed Mozilla 0.9 for Windows here at work, and noticed the installer said that it was version 0.8. I thought maybe I downloaded the wrong file. I looked at my desktop and it said FirefoxSetup-0.9rc.exe. I went ahead with the install, and loaded up Firefox. It was definitley a different theme, but when I went to Help->About, it said it was version 0.8...
Did someone forget to update the installer and the about dialog boxes?
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I keep coming back to Konqueror simply because the font rendering is simple the best looking. I really hope Firefox's font rendering get's addressed before 1.0.
Shh.
Yeah, IE is so much more superior, I can't imagine why anyone would use Mozilla/Firefox...
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
While I think the new theme is fairly ok, even pretty. I like the old one, Qute, far, far better. At some point the reason for it to go was that the author's license was incompatible with Mozilla's - But I don't think that's an issue anymore - I wish they'd keep Qute, in my opinion it's far more consistant than the new pinstripe theme...
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I just happened to swing by the mozilla page today before the story broke, and happily downloaded and installed the release candidate.. It was on my system for about 5 minutes, and now I'm back to 0.8
.. so I figure they just haven't been updated, so I went to the bugzilla entry about themes and found some 0.9-upgraded themes.. downloaded just fine, but I was unable to switch to the new theme even after a browser restart ... the hideous new theme just wouldn't go away! (but I kinda like the new theme selector)
The new default theme looks UGLY... so I figure ok, I can change it. Every theme I tried from the themes site didn't work (wouldn't install)
As an extra irrotation, someone decided it's a good idea to change the hotkey that opens the downloads window.. that was the last straw for me.
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I can get fast load times and no pop-ups in lynx too. The trouble is, Explorer is full of holes and doesn't support CSS worth shit. Call me again when it supports the "hover" property correctly - or maybe even PNG alpha channels.
So what is new for those of us who don't care about a theme change?
Is there any chance that the pinstripe theme is going to be available for other platforms? Not this "winstripe" thing, I'm talking about exactly what you see on OSX. I use Firefox on Windows,Mac, and Linux and I have to say that I am a BIG fan of pinstripe.
It's sleek, minimalistic, while being quite attractive and intuitive. It's seriously the nicest looking browser there is (yeah, even nicer than safari IMHO). I don't really care what they do with the firefox interface if they would just allow me to theme firefox in pinstripe everywhere.
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I just installed .9, and unfortuanetly it doesn't allow you to use any old themes or extensions (and as far as I know there aren't any new ones). It did manage to bring over all of my setting to the new version quite nicily, though I have to say that the new default theme isn't nearly as nice as the old one.
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Most of IE is loaded when Windows starts. Compare the load time of IE with the time Mozilla takes to start the SECOND time you run it (when its files are in cache) if you want a valid comparison. And then, hard to say which is the fastest.
And Mozilla still has the best security, tabbed browsing, and so on...
I've been using Fire[bird|fox] for about a year - and I just can't get over the fact that the installer is so tiny: 4.7 mb ..
Where Mozilla and Firefox are concerned, you can have Autoscroll as an extension but it'll be jerky and flickery. You can get a smoothscroll extension that will scroll really smoothly, BUT it is not integrated with autoscroll and may never be.
So if you're looking for smooth autoscroll, IE remains the best.
It is the only reason I keep using IE.
Do a little thing like web standards mean anything to you? Common, Internet Explorer makes every single web developer's life HELL. It's almost impossible to make a decent page when Internet Explorer follows about 5% of web standards today. If Internet Explorer wasn't around the internet would be a much better place.
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Well.. since I am not able to install any software (work machine) I need something that is non MSI. I seem to remember there being an older verison that didn't require a Windows setup. Anyone have a link?
Hmmm.
Mozilla 1.7RC3 should iron out any final bugs in what will replace 1.4 as the new stable branch
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Mozilla 1.8 (currently on Alpha/Beta) the current "would be stable branch version"? I remember that, when the announce of 1.8 came along, it was pointed that this would be the new stable branch...
I'm confused...
I noticed a couple problems with .9rc so i reinstalled .8 until .9 is released. A couple of them were stylesheets didn't show up correctly, not all the themes/extentions worked yet. I realize that these can/will be fixed, but I will wait to install it until they are, I really like my mouse gestures extention that I couldn't get to work on .9 rc.
:)
I think I am going to like firefox's new extention manager/updator as well, looks cool.
All in all it looks like a good release, with just a couple bugs to iron out. Then the authors of the extentions need to update them too.
Windows is still shipping IE 6..
Signatures are for stupids.
Change the following items in classic.jar/skin/classic/browser/browser.css and the default theme looks WAY better:
.toolbarbutton-menubutton-button { padding: 3px; }
.toolbarbutton-1[open="true"], .toolbarbutton-menubutton-button[checked="true"], .toolbarbutton-menubutton-button[open="true"] { padding: 4px 2px 2px 4px !important; }
.toolbarbutton-1,
.toolbarbutton-1[checked="true"],
The spacing is less annoying and the icons look a lot better.
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The old theme, Qute, is now available from Arvid Axelsson's site. You can also install it in Firefox 0.8, which by default runs a version of Qute v1, whereas the version that was initially going to go into Firefox 0.9 was Qute v2.
I just installed it. It looks good and all, but can anybody explain why the heck it copied the settings from IE, overwriting the settings I was already using? I had the browsers set up differently for a reason!
Jeez. It even copied the geometry settings.
And the banner ad at the top of this page has scrollbars on it for some reason. But who cares about ads?
I personally resisted the move to firefox (on non IE browser) for long, trying alternative browsers and giving up because one small function/feature is missing. The last straw with IE was when the web sites started getting popups inspite of the google blocker. That plus the undesirable images that come in webmails or websites made me switch.
FYI, the killer feature I like in firefox is its ability not to load any image in the current site/page that is not from that site, sure fire way to kill all those ads.
Only problem I see is the way firefox works in linux (KDE) vs windoze (esp the backspace key). guess, I just need to learn to use alt-arrow
For me Firefox loads just as fast, if not faster, then IE does.
You have to use the secret[shhhh] config options.
Type about:config in the location bar. Filter on image.
You're looking for image.animation_mode. The value I use is once. I'm not sure what the other values are (true, false?).
Good luck.
Ahhh yes, a troll because he is pointing out yet another reason why Mozilla shouldn't be used by the masses.
Go against the slashbots and pay.
It seems Firefox is still missing this "whole word only" checkbox in the search dialogue... or am I dumb or is there an extension for that or something?
Anybody else had the Googlebar melt after installing Firefox .9? I can't get it to install.
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Just a heads-up to anyone trying this out. I couldn't kill it because I couldn't find the process. Ultimately, the solution was:in the Terminal. Type in your password, and the disk image will poof.
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Found on a mozillazine blog. I liked the Qute icons, as did everyone else I know, and don't think that there needs to be single theme for all the platforms. But if the Qute artist is going to be a Nazi about how his icons are used I would just as soon change to something (anything) as well. And if a change is in order, then it is best to get it over with as soon as possible.
If you liked the theme from 0.8 (qute) better you can download it for 0.9. The author completely revamped qute for 0.9 and it's better than ever.
I don't know about the rest of you but this new theme doesn't look as nice to me. The icon's aren't as detailed or polished and it feels a little clunky compared to the old one.
Also, shame on the Mozilla folks for not letting the Qute author know all his hard work to support their project wouldn't be included.
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just installed the new version of Firefox over the previous version. All of the favorites from IE were imported, and I've lost all the bookmarks I had in the old version of FireFox ;(. It seems to do a great job if you're switching from IE to Firefox, but leaves a bit to be desired if you're simply upgrading and also have IE installed.
Lesson of the day: be sure to backup bookmarks.html if you're installing over a previous version and want to keep your bookmarks.
"release candidates for their next versions ... please bear in mind that the theme is nowhere near finished yet"
I thought the release candidates were content/feature frozen to help iron out the bugs before release.
It seems if the content is still changing then they really shouldn't be called release candidates -- because admittedly they are not.
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.8 plugins folder to the plugins folder of your .9rc installation.
all plug-ins seem to work. simply copy your plug-ins from your
Only Flash seems not to work correctly due to the flashblock extension. maybe it must be disabled in about:config (no gui for imported extensions) to use flash. mozplugger works fine too.
Does 1.7 fix the Slashdot Page Layout bug? Or do we have to wait for 1.8 on that one?
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Same engine. Are you sure you're using the same version of mozilla?
It's been a while since I used 1.4 but it wasn't very satisfying. I seem to recall that even Netscape 7.1 is based on Moz 1.5. Finally, the latest release version is 1.6, why is it released without an a or b suffix if it's not considered stable? It's probably just an issue of definitions, but could someone explain it to me?
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I believe it had licensing restrictions, thought don't hold me to that.
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I hate to bitch, but please remember that some sites require their ads to survive. I'm not talking about pop-ups (disgusting things) but plain and simple banner ads.
Do they really upset you that much that you can't even bear to look at them? You are the ones contributing to the growing commercialisation of the internet by forcing sites to resort to subscription services and ways around the pop-up blockers.
And, as a footnote, my own site has no pop-ups and all the ads are selected personally and screened by me. (http://www.pocketgamer.org) - do these ads really ruin your browsing experience?
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The windows installer said it was installing version 0.8, and the about box says 0.8.0, even though it seems to be themed, etc., as version 0.9.
So, not sure if they forgot to update the numbers, or if I'm now running a bizarre hybrid 0.85. Heh.
No, see, there has to be actual competition between the two, reason for a group to use one over the other, etc. Mozilla vs Konquerer isn't like Vi vs Emacs, it's like Vi vs ed.
(Note: tongue firmly in cheek.)
Anyone else think these new icons are ugly?
.8 had?
I hate having to mess with themes, why can't they use a reasonable default like
I really like Firefox but I must admit that IE loads faster with Wine here than Firefox does natively. :)
Many users will whine on and on about the most trivial differences. Case in point:
We used to use Eudora around here. I don't know why, it was before I got hired. Well we have lots of people that STILL USE IT! Version 3 even. We try to push them towards Thundirbird. I mean there is nothing I can think of that Eudora does that Thundirbird doesn't (other than suck) and lots of things it can't do. Also an e-mail client is an e-mail client. I mean they all get your mail, list it, and let you reply.
Nope. There is man who bitch and whine and refuse to change. It's too hard to learn, they say. A Eudora skin would make my life much easier, though I'd reeally rather they learn the new interface (it takes what, 10 seconds to learn?)
So never say "people won't care because it's a little different. They can, and will, for some damn reason.
Ack! Why did they move the Extensions and Themes configs out of the Tools -> Options dialog (which used to be the one-stop-shot for, uh, Options)? This is no fun. Also, there's no keyboard shortcut to either of the two new ones.
.8 in 5min.
This plus the ugly theme, and like a prvious poster, I'm back to
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Just a heads up to firefox users. SpyBot 1.3 now works with Firefox. It caught a few bad cookies on my work computer. I've never noticed them before with spybot 1.2, but it shows firefox isn't completely safe. However I'll take the 5-6 cookies over the 20+ cookie and registry problems SpyBot found when I was using IE.
a) Are you sure it's the same HTML/stylesheet/etc? Some broken sites try to alter their content for the user agent.
b) It could be that the stylesheet is broken and ASSumes the fonts and sizes being used are the Windows defaults, and not the Linux values you're using.
c) Blame it on Canada.
I was having major issues with Firefox 0.8 viewing /. in Mac OS X. It would completely push the news headers off the window, horizontally, until I refreshed a couple times.
That seems to have been addressed in 0.9rc (running it now).
I just had a strange experience, however, when I was running the 0.9rc app after taking it from the disk image..firefox kept trying to open and then closed itself after 3 seconds and did this over and over until I had to reboot.
Hopefully that was just a first-run thing
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You are very funny! Very funny indeed!
Seems to work ok in 1.8 alpha under Linux. Might be a bug that got taken care of in the 1.8 tree. I don't have 1.7 around anymore since 1.8 has the junk mail filter improvements and I use Mozilla mail.
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Yeah Firefox .9rc okay I guess, except it broke all my extensions. Goddamn, half the reason I used it was because there was a mouse gestures plugin, and now it won't even let me reinstall it. Thanks guys. Bravo.
"File" is the standard name, even if it includes access to printing or opening remote files (urls).
... is a 0.9 compatible version of Qute out? I certainly won't be using that new dead-ugly skin. :p
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I was looking for the ZIP files... Found here
Hmmm.
I have thunderbird in /usr/local/thunderbird, /usr/local/firefox, set as my system browser.
Firefox in
Clicking a link in thunderbird does nothing.
Seems to me this is a fairly basic piece of functionality to get working, so what's the secret?
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I use KDE.
I don't care how far along the new theme is, there's no redeeming value or promise in it for me. The old theme, designed to work with 0.9, is right here.
Watch out, new with Mozilla 1.7RC3 (not in RC2) is a crash every time you close Mozilla after you've used the Helix-sponsored RealPlayer plugin. I've filled out a few Talkback forms now, hopefully that'll get cleaned up before the final.
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I installed 0.9 and went "Ahhh! Ugly!". I thought the 0.8 theme was way better. I followed this guys tip now I'm really digging the 0.9 theme. I hope the developers follow suite and make the spacing smaller in the release version.
If you have the problem that after cancelling the bookmark import, firefox launches, quits, and repeats indefinitely, pop open activity monitor and quit the firefox-bin process. Flooding console.log makes me sad.
I just installed this on OS X 10.3.4
The app kept launching and quitting and relaunching and quitting. force quit? no dice. killall? useless, the process never even showed up in top.
I had to log out and log back in. Excellent.
A company that I consult for still uses *a lot* of Win 95 Machines. Of course, like everyone in the win32 world, they are begining to have lots of problems with spyware, adware and various other sorts of crapware that seem to do little more than destablize their computers.
/. confirm that this is a known issue that'll be fixed or there exists a work-around for?
Long story short: I did a fresh install of Win 95 C (the latest and greatest version of 95) and proceeded to download Mozilla 1.6 stable and 1.7rc3 and Firefox. However, none of these browsers would work... just a brief start-up splash-screen and then... nothing.
I know 95 is old, but Mozilla is a must these days. I'm no bug-hunting, bug-reporting expert, but could anyone on
Thanks
I noticed the exact same thing recently with a client site, whose specifications included a Flash animation, and a DHTML menu that would go over the Flash piece. To make it work, I had to enable background transparency (or some such thing) in the Flash animation, then give the menu a higher Z-index than the Flash. Worked fine with Firefox .8 on Windoze, but Moz 1.6 on Linux always rendered the Flash in the foreground. Not sure if that was using the new Flash plugin, though.
A few people have been having problems with the new Winstripe theme as the default, I don't even use the default theme, so it doesn't bother me
All installed extensions get disabled. But you can still install them anew.
You'll do this at you own risk, but removing the whole Extension folder inside the Profile folder seems to reliably remove all extensions.
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.. now its *very* stable
1. Downloaded FirefoxSetup-0.9rc.exe. Ran setup (which said "Thank you for installing Firefox 0.8"). Installed over old version.
2. Double-clicked exacutable. Firefox caught in an infinite startup loop.
3. Restart the computer to break the loop.
4. Try again, assuming my computer was just acting wacky.
5. Firefox caught in an infinite loop again. Restart computer again.
6. Try downloading the ZIP (Firefox-win32.zip) and extracting to a brand new folder.
7. Launched from the new folder. Firefox opened fine.
8. Went to About -> Firefox. Reports version as being 0.8.
Yippie! Not only did it not upgrade to 0.9 (although it appears to be build 20040609), but it also comes with a theme that is quite gay in comparison to the old one. Nice.
An example is www.aicipc.com
That example has invalid HTML and invalid CSS. It would greatly help a bug report if you could find a non-broken website that displays this bug.
... most of them, at least. Show Old Extentions 0.1.3
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With your opinion which is of no consequence at all
I you really want to start a flame war on /.,
and I have started several good ones (over 10 replies), I suggest picking a more incendiary topic.
Global warming is my personal favorite, transatlantic politics is another.
Who cares about Konqueror except a few KDE fanboys? Futhermore, be subtle. The best
responses come from people who don't know they
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A question for the whole forum: What was the greatest /. flamewar of all time?
an ill wind that blows no good
The Linux version of FIREFOX has been higged up the ass. First of ir uses a KDE like theme, but it is all optimized for GNOME!
I'll call it FiGefoKs. Could this be the end of KDE? It could well be with a painful transition into GNOME, this application is a fine example of it.
Bank of America does this. I've complained to BofA and they said my comment was passed on to the web developers. Nothing changed.
I'd originally posted this as a bug to bugzilla (several others have done the same, as I still occasionally get notices that other bugs were marked as dupes of mine) and so it means other people out there are having trouble. Someone posted a comment to my bug that it was a stylesheet after testing the same site on several platforms I don't have daily access to with the same date nightly.
I still get part of the login page shoved off the screen. It's only cosmetic, but it's still annoying that it's a quick stylesheet fix but still isn't working.
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That's the coder equivalent of saying 'l33t', or 'd00d'. If you ever want to be taken seriously, I advise you never mention this word again (unless you're talking about maths), and keep 'extreme programming' under wraps as well.
this turned into a major pain, because sometimes they would bookmark something in IE, sometimes in Zilla - then 'couldn't find the bookmark'
Can this be disabled?
I love Firefox. I download nightly builds to help test. I recommend it, but the new theme looks like crap. As their forum showed, many users are not happy with it, but I doubt they care or if they will change back.
If I had the points I'd do it myself. You couldn't be more right.
...and here goes my first post on slashdot with my brand new browser. It's good-looking than my previous 0.8, and it seems to be faster. My bookmars, passwords and all the stuff from older version are cleanly imported. How do the guys at Mozilla.org manage to make each release better and better? Just a thought, is it possible to include Firefox as default browser in various Linux distros? It sure is faster than the plain old Mozilla.
Firefox has great standards compatability, but has piss poor HCI.
URL fails to load -> url blanked
Switch from one tab to another while url loading -> old url displayed.
Page fails to load because of DNS lookup -> stored in the menu bar cache!.
Download -> gets sent somewhere whithout asking, doesn't tell the user that anythings happended.
Download again -> creates a new file blar+1 no continue/overwrite prompt or anything.
Close browser while downloading -> canceles all your downloads.
Download more than one extension -> get anoying prompts that are incorrect!
etc... etc.... etc.... etc.....
Firefox has to be one of the most anoying pieces of software I have ever used.
I only use it because it's more standards complient and faster than the alternitives.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
A classic ... another great line is "I'm really sorry your mom blew up Ricky". If you haven't seen One Crazy Summer, it's another funny Cusak flick by the same guy that did BOD.
Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws-Plato
http://quadrone.org/graphics/Qute/Qute.jar just install this and your back to it looking decent :)
0.9 won't install any themes and has broken up the ones I had installed on my profile...
Cozinha para as massas (e para geeks)
Update: on a whim, I uninstalled Firefox 0.9RC (or Firefox 0.8, as it likes to call itself), and re-installed Firefox 0.8, and all of my settings and bookmarks have returned. PHEW! That'll learn me... if this putrid piece of shit is a release candidate, I think I'll be sticking with 0.8 for the foreseeable future.
Go to:
about:config
Find "image.animation_mode"
Change it to "once" or "none"
Man, I don't want to know how many people think that Debian _reall_ still ships Netscape 4.7... Here's the truth:
;-)
1. Debian has never, nor ever will include Netscape 4.7 in the default branch, because it doesn't meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
2. Debian is actually one of the more up to date distros I've used. Just run unstable and you get almost everything just a few days after release, virtually always working.
I am sick of tired about people bashing Debian because they make every conceivable effort to guarantee that their stable distribution Just Works, even avoiding incompatibilities between versions of the same package.
At the same time, their unstable distribution gives you the latest software as soon as is feasible while still maintaining unmatched quality, and has (to my knowledge) the largest collection of packages of any distro, compiled for several architectures.
Combine all that with package management that is so good that other distros have eventually given up trying to match it and are now adopting apt one by one, and you have a distro that can turn intelligent people into zealots like me. Get on your knees and apologize!
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
Sneaky one, that. Unfortunately, I think you were right, free browsers aren't an incendiary topic. Also, I don't think you were subtle enough, you were so obviously trying to provoke that nobody fell for it. You suck at flame warfare. Try adherring to your own principles next time.
...ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
I love Mozilla, and use it as my number one browser. But the darn thing crashes about 10 times a day for me (on Windows 98) when I change profiles.
Anybody else?
-Dave
But is there a build for NetBSD/mac68k yet? Still looking for a decent GUI browser.
Constitutionally Correct
Apparently it's an early draft of the new theme, it should look (much?) better in the final version.
Good. Because I can't image it getting any worse.
Little Bricklets
I'm trying really hard not to complain about this new update to FireFox, but seriously... WTF.
.8.
Not only does the new default theme look like total ass (Gee, lets take a few steps back and make the default theme look like a Fisher-Price toy. Hello? Does anyone consider, I don't know... maybe a professional look a requirement if we want FireFox to be a browser that's taken seriously. This default theme looks like a child put it together.), but the "upgrade" also trashed all my extensions. What was the point of that? If it had to be done for the new extension manager, fine... but at least inform the user what's going on.
Oh, and make sure to update, I dunno... like version numbers or something. Everything still says
Does anyone else feel this entire release was just pushed out the door without any consideration at all just so people could see the new theme, which totally blows?
A. We checked everything, except for the fonts (which are difficult to identicalify -- yes, I just made up a new word), copied stylesheets over, new installs, etc... it's been doing it for the past 3 or so revisions of Mozilla. B. Check out the website, you'll see what I mean. Click on "products" and try to select a chassis size. Onwindows. the cascading sheet appears, in Linux, it is overlapped by the flash, and it's VERY difficult to get to the next level. C. How did you know I was from Canada? :)
I installed it for my mother in law (who's had a stroke) just to keep the spyware removal trips to a minimum. I removed the IE icon from her desktop, replaced it with a shortcut to Firefox, but with the IE icon and labled "Internet Explorer", set the theme to Luna, imported her bookmarks, and she was off to the races.
She's delighted that now she does not get pop ups and hasn't had any crap installed on her machine just because she can't read the fine print on the whacko games she browses to.
Wu-Tang Name: Half-Cut Skeleton Get your own Wu-Na
> Bank of America does this.
;)
What, the blaming of Canada? Sounds about right...
+5, homophobic
i browse alterslash in order to NOT see this shit.
Does anyone know where to get a build for linux/ppc? The firefox website (and the mirrors I have seen) have only linux/x86 versions only...
Yeah, I know there's already a google search field in the main menu, but is there a way to install the Googlebar here: http://googlebar.mozdev.org/installation.html
Why can't I use any of my extensions?!!!
Looking at the release notes on the Mozilla side of the browers, I see they've added support for CSS opacity, very cool. Not something I'd incorporate into the core design of my pages yet, but I might toss it in as a bonus to Moz users.
since it's causing massive page widening.
at least on safari.
(amazed that slashdot didn't reject it.)
For anyone who's interested, Firefox 0.9 now supports the ability to run from a USB key without any major changes AND be able to take your entire profile with you. I've repackaged the Firefox 0.9 Release Candidate as a ZIP that will create an 8.1Mb install of Firefox on your USB key, complete with a built-in profile. Full details of the changes (if you're curious, or so you can try it yourself) as well as a ZIP are available here:
/
http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/portable_firefox
Any commentary or questions on this new feature can be addresses in this thread on mozillaZine.
Portable versions of Firefox, GIMP, LibreOffice, etc
For once, I'd like Mozilla's "back" button to work truly like a bloody BACK button and take me to the previous page, **REGARDLESS** of whether it's a POST or a GET or whatever. Some sites are form-driven (like my bank's), and I HATE it when Mozilla insists on resubmitting the form when you hit the back button. JUST TAKE ME TO THE PREVIOUS PAGE, DAMMIT! Show me what you were showing me; don't try to be too smart and resubmit the form (or, at least give me the option of NOT resubmitting the form; it doesn't give you a choice, you either have to resubmit, or you can't go back).
Well, my experience was about as opposite as they get :
1. Downloaded FirefoxSetup-0.9rc.exe.
2. Ran setup.
3. Chose to install to a new directory (this is an RC, not the final version, and common wisdom says to not install windows software over old versions)
4. Started via shortcut.
5. Firefox asked me politely what profile I want to import.
6. Firefox launched smoothly and looked very nice. All existing preferences, history, etc. migrated from my 0.8.
7. About->Firefox says 0.8+ (which is the terminology for versions past 0.8 but not yet 0.9 release)
The theme is maybe not as nice as the Qute theme, but thanks to Arvids work you can quickly install a brand new version of Qute to go with 0.9 from
his site.
life+universe+everything=42
that 4.7 MB is considered small...
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You don't get laid much, do you?
(says he who's pissed there's no Orbit theme for Firefox 0.9 yet. The default theme is fugly! )
Opportunity knocks. Karma hunts you down.
I've noticed a lot of linux applications have Cancel/OK instead of OK/Cancel. Mozilla on Windows has OK/Cancel, so I think they are just trying to fit the OS.
-no broken link
Since the link on the mozilla.org homepage is still pointing to 0.8, here's a link to the official
Firefox 0.9 RC Release Notes.
but if you are crating a product, and your web boards fill up with your customers who are angry about a change, you should pay attention.
I am not invlved with the fire???? versions of mozilla. Have no real desire for it. I have been involved in very large software projects, and good software is, in fact, designed and built by committee.
To say its not shows a very intense focus on ignoring reality. Yes you need a decsion maker, but that person has to be able to think about decisions even AFTER they have been made.
Properly designed software will be diesigned by a committee, a comittee of software developers, but a committee non the less.
No group of people, or person, who makes decsions behind closed doors and be trusted to keep anybodies best interests then there own. It also show that they are affraid of there decsions. You can't get good anything fom people who are affraid of there decisions.
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I like to grab there inages and email them ack to them..
"Are these the images you don't want me to get?"
heh... I got a lot of angry responses. I like the ones where they call me stupid.
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It's not Open Source, but there's a Linux version, and I'm sorry, but Opera beats the pants off of Mozilla in all departments.
You can try IErad.
!!! Not for use with Windows 2000sr2 or Windows XP
You may not be able to run windows update any more (that is the only reason I keep IE around on my windows machine).
It doesn't remove 100% of IE, but close enough.
My sister: "What's this Firefox thing?"
Me: "That's the browser I use."
My sister: "Oh, so you use that instead of Internet?"
Me: "Internet explorer."
My sister: "Same thing!"
Member of Orkut? Annoyed with spam?
Best stick with the 0.8 version if you want the simple yet elegant functionality that has gained Firefox many friends.
Examples: I 404 error just returns the in browser text "Nicht gefunden!". Themes are not yet working. Etc.
As an avid 0.8 version user, my advice is wait for 0.9 instead of 0.8+ they call it. I think.
In post Patriot Act America, the library books scan you.
Beats me. I use Opera.
I really dont like the new download manager introduced in .8, mainly because it does not give you the option of executing a file after it has been downloaded. (And I didnt particularly like the name change, though I've gotten used to it) Some may say this is a minor issue, but it is little things like that that will make or break a product.
And with .9 its got an absolutly hideious theme, I dont know a single person (besides a blind person maybe) who could actully say this new theme looks better than the old one without cracking a smile. I at least expected there'd be an option to use the old theme but aparently not (even Windows XP had that feature with the Windows Classic theme) And I might be the only one on slashdot to say this but I really dont care about free/open source liscencing issues, firefox is free, thats all that matters to me. Even the Quete theme for .9 does not look right, the icons look blury and it screws up the menus. So its back to .8 for me as well.
Hopefully the mozilla/firefox developers listen to their users and get these issues fixed before 1.0, cause despite my concerns it is still by far the best browser out there
Bigger Picture
You want the second section (what's new since 0.8 on the 0.9 branch).
What's the difference between using Mozilla's browser and Firefox's browser?
I can freely install just the Mozilla browser if I want. What is Firefox going to offer? Is there a difference in the code? Is it just the interface? What is it?
Anyone use Yahoo! Mail? I've found that my inbox mail screen frequently won't render correctly using either Firefox or Mozilla under linux, but renders perfectly using Windows version. Been like this for at least the last two or three releases. Haven't tried 1.7 as of yet.
at this rate, microsoft is going to have a fully 64bit application suite before linux. :-(
Blame Gnome and their HIG.
Since there is no actual Mozilla for KDE (QT), there's only the GTK version which follows the Gnome guidelines - including the backwards buttons. They need to do it this way to be a good Gnome app (which makes it a bad KDE app).
Unfortunately, it looks like they just don't have enough people to keep the QT version up to date (it is, AFAIK, totally broken at this point).
I don't know about the rest of you but this new theme doesn't look as nice to me. The icon's aren't as detailed or polished and it feels a little clunky compared to the old one.
No offense, but isn't that why this Firefox is only a release candidate, and this theme has already been stated as an "early draft"?
I have to access some websites which has user defined fonts (i.e. fonts not normally present in Windows, but those which can be downloaded from the site and installed). But unfortunately, firefox does not display the webpage using its own font. Anyone knows how to correct this? e.g. The malayalam language newspaper site http://www.mathrubhumi.com gets displayed properly in IE after the font is installed, but does not get displayed in Firefox.
Start -> Run -> Iexplore
Which is better : apple or linux ?
In previous versions (0.7, 0.8) Firefox automatically imported my IE bookmarks, but 0.9 does not. Anyone know an easy way to do so?
Thanks!
Haha, silly debian users...I run Gentoo. I'll let you guys know what 0.9 is like next week, when it finishes compiling. ;)
But there is another kind of evil that we must fear most... and that is the indifference of good men.
downloaded. ....
curled my lip at the theme.
installed qute.
restarted.
installed some of my old extensions.
restarted.
restarted.
restarted
hm. nothing happening. yep, one of the extensions crashes it. silently. not a lick of output, process starts, process stops immediately. not even a window. yep, that's sure user-friendly.
I think i'll let 0.9 bake for a few more MONTHS. I'm sure as hell not going to jump on the final release they plan for monday.
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
sorry i can't remember where i saw this, but the autheor of Qute said he'd have had no problem changing the license... but the leadership was not clear with him about any of this, either. it would have changed if they'd asked directly. sounds like more stupid shit to me.
anyways, as i've tested every major version of firefox for the mac for the past year or so, this one miserably failed in a few short seconds:
and with that, it was closed and deleted immediately. maybe they'll fix those two things that are absolustely essential to me one day. oh well, in the mean time i'll just stick with camino (which is buggy as shit right now).
- tristan
... depending on where you live.
Flash animations may hang the browser on Mac OS X.
See bugs: 106397, 172312, 233702, and 244987...
When you receive a message with an attachment, you should be able to right-click on the attachment in the attachment box and choose "Delete" from the popup menu. That would mark the attachment as deleted and if the message is moved or the folder is compressed, the attachment data itself would be removed, but the rest of the message would remain unmodified.
YES, A portable thunderbird would be nice. Maybe even portable Mozilla
Help fight continental drift.
> will replace 1.4 as the new stable branch
Mozilla 1.4 is considered STABLE? It crashes on me fairly frequently; locks up and refuses to respond to keyboard input even more frequently; and after running for a day or so suddenly becomes painfully, glacially slow and unresponsive. Mozilla 1.4 was a giant step BACKWARD from Mozilla 1.0-1.1.
I just hope that Mozilla 1.7 actually fixes some of 1.4's bugs, instead of just cramming more features in.
Also, I've seen screenshots of it where there are more toolbar buttons on top. You have to add these through the toolbar configuration window right? Or are my defaults screwed up?
- sigs are for wimps.
Alt+PrtScr?
If you are like me ( and others) who absolutely hate the "download manager", and how there is no way to turn this damn thing off in Firefox, please vote for Bug 233122 (note I think bugzilla will block URLs from slashdot).
For me, the download manager is simply unusable. I *need* to have my downloads in the taskbar, in seprate windows. I do *not* want them all grouped in a hodgepodge window.
Now Opera and Konqueror just need to support it too.
Mod parent up! While useful, the grandparent post's suggestion indeed does not address the original complaint, which was to stop animated GIFs on demand, not every time on every page ever.
One simple rule for its versus it's
Quit jerking off with which theme is the default.
.ics file in a new browser window.
Create a fully functional calendar. One that *works*
No, "Sunbird" doesn't count. No, the current nightlies aren't even close.
When you right click -> "Send Event" to someone else using the same version of Mozilla, it should add the event to their calendar, not open the
Make the calendar work. Please. Help organizations that are tied to Outlook simply for calendaring break free.
No, phpgroupware doesn't count. Integrated mail & calendaring. Needed!
THemes = fluff.
Calendaring = required.
C'mon, people..
BitDefender understands Mozilla Mail/Thunderbird's mail format, and properly deletes infected messages from your mail folders. It doesn't integrate with Thunderbird, though.
The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet.
--Aristotle
Well, someone wrote a mozilla extension to do just that. I just installed it; kudos to them.
"Clone Window 0.2.2" it is called.
A preposition is a terrible thing to end a sentence with.
Second, the extensions provide some great features, but are often inconsistent. I installed AdBlock, and it's preferences show up in the tools menu. With mousegestures, however, the preferences don't show up anywhere.
Do they now let us know why yahoo mail passwords cannot be stored?
Or you could just download the keyconfig extension. With it, you can assign whatever key you want for 'Back'.
Take it easy, man. Some people just refuse to accept corporate brainwashing. This is one reason why open source is so successful. Linux wouldn't exist if its users bent over for corporate software interests, like Microsoft and commercial Unix. Similarly, you won't get much sympathy from Slashdot users with respect to ad blocking.
People that want stability use Mozilla. An old, stable version of Mozilla, even. This is a release candidate to an 0.x release of a spin-off web browser, that doesn't include any fatal data ("I lost my Inbox"-class disasters).
Maybe it was a good choice, maybe it was bad. The GPL doesn't in any way prevent you from being an ass. If it's going off in the wrong direction, fork or patch or do whatever you want. But this is hardly such a big deal as slashdot makes it out to be...
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Firefox has great standards compatability, but has piss poor HCI.
That's a bit unfair! It's a pre-1.0 release. You should be expecting quirks and filing bugs when encountering them.
zWhat would an EWOULDBLOCK block, if an EWOULDBLOCK could block would? -- me
few things that firefox needs -
the ability *stop* downloading images while the page is being loaded. very useful for modumb users.
the ability to open unloaded images 'in place' as opposed to opening them in a new page. ffs even IE can do this.
page size/image count indicators
the ability to reload the previous session in case of a crash/power off etc etc.
a permanent tab for displaying tabbed-windows. in opera the tab is always visible so one can just double click on it to open a new page. in firefox (v0.8) you have to click File->Open new page before the tab appears.
Clearly, it will need a lot of work to look anything like the Windows XP artwork it's supposed to blend in with. My point with these screenshots is that we should probably wait with our opinions on Winstripe until it gets time to mature. However, this raises a valid question:
Why are we replacing an almost-perfect Windows XP theme with a nowhere near finished one barely at version 0.1? Why is waiting for Winstripe to mature not an option?
This is what I wanna know too? This new theme needs a lot of work to compare to Qute. It's a step backwards for Firefox.
zWhat would an EWOULDBLOCK block, if an EWOULDBLOCK could block would? -- me
At the end of the install, it still says "Launch Firefox 0.8"
firefox always manages to hang or crash on me while i'm tabbing between (in particular when i ctrl+shift+tab to move to the left) -- win32)
The new version of Qute doesn't work on Firefox 0.8. I just installed it and it immediately crashed my browser. After restarting it, the Theme manager was broken and I couldn't see the entry for the new Qute. Nonetheless, Firefox still works. Did you try the theme on 0.8 before you wrote that comment, or did you just make up the idea that it was compatible?
I love C++
to track the average amount of time users spend reading a single page.
I love C++
I like to grab there inages and email them ack to them.
I'm sorry, this sentence hurt a little too much to read. Let's see if we can fix it.
I like to grab their images and email them back to them.
Ah, that's better. Now the humor comes shining through. I'm no spelling nazi, just a concerned netizen. Do yourself and everyone you expect to read your posts a huge favor and proof read them. It only takes a second. No one expects perfection, but do have a little sympathy for the rest of us.
heh... I got a lot of angry responses. I like the ones where they call me stupid.
How profound. Meditate on that one for a couple minutes.
Speak truth to power.
Before slipping to total oblivion the author of Arachne managed to do the right thing and released the source code under GPL.
So no, it's not quite dead yet, and now there's a small community of old dososaurs hacking on it.
It would be interesting to check if the Linux port can be resurrected, it had promise for all those Pentiums collecting dust in closets, even though the few released versions were all betas and pretty broken.
Two things you can do to help:
1. File a bug in bugzilla.mozilla.org.
2. Create a testcase that shows the problem and is as simple as possible. (The Flash can probably be left alone, but the HTML/CSS/JS need to be simplified.) Attach the testcase to the bug.
Creating a testcase makes it much more likely that a Mozilla developer will look at the bug, and it might also give you an idea about how to work around the bug. Or you might even find out that it's a bug in your code, although it doesn't sound like it is.
The shareholder is always right.
Please file bugzilla entries for these. And for all the etc's too.
Closing the browser and cacncelling the downloads without any warning is bad. An easy solution would be auto-pausing the downloads so one can resume it after restarting.
But please file you complaints, so people can vote. most of them are quite easy to fix.
Bye egghat.
-- "As a human being I claim the right to be widely inconsistent", John Peel