Csoft has a custom made command line control panel that is run from the shell. According to the tool they are opensourcing the next version, so you can question them on the status.
It controls mail/DNS/mysql amoung other things.
csoft: http://www.csoft.net
commands for csoftadm: http://hail-eris.com/~nekhbet/cadm/cadm.html
You forgot Jabber the best one of all. Usable not only AIM but also ICQ, Yahoo, MSN, IRC and it's own jabber protocol. Also, I got this Slashdot article's headline from the RSS Transport. Definitly the jack of all trades in instant messenging. The server is completely GPL'd and clients are finished or in the works for all major OS'.
Actually I believe this poster is 100% correct. Most technology comes with justified risk. Safety is often overlooked in favor of conveniance. If you guys want to live in a cabin in the klondyke eating enriched wheat bread and drinking stream water, be my guest.
I prefer my cell phones, vehicles, microwaves, electronics, escelators, guns, heaters, air conditioners, antibiotics, compressed air products and all the other modern convieniences that have been called health risks at one time or another.
And if you think cell phones are an unnecessary extravagance, talk to me again in a few years, when having a personal communications device is not only expected, but as required as normal telephones are today.
"Those who choose safety over freedom deserve neither"
I found this article interesting as a novelty, but since the virus you're refering to (according to this link) is out of date by 7 months the only thing this proves is that I don't have my degree in history:)
Also, another distinction I should point out is that this virus only affected Outlook Express, not Outlook which was the topic of conversation, and didn't work on NT or have a payload. This isolated incident does not support your image of an OS "totaly lacking any security" as the security hole was patched 7 months ago as can be seen here.
I see your point though, security on the net is a big issue and always will be. However, it's an issue for Microsoft OS' AND *nix. For every security feature implemented a couple more develop.
Outlook comes set up by default to open each mail you get for you (previews), and can run scripts in this fashion without you even being in front of the computer, or you can disable this in Outlook which would limit these dangers to only occur as you click on them to read them, which of course is great security (cough).
Melissa nor any other VBS/Macro based worm is spread in the manner you describe. It is spread via attachments as I previously stated. In fact, I don't have experience with any virus, trojen, worm or other type of 'pathogen' of any kind that is spread by viewing them in Outlook's preview pane.
Would you kindly post examples, or are you done being a Micro-bigot? It's fine if you don't like their OS or their software, but at least don't spread disinformation about it. There's plenty of tangable problems you can hit on without spewing vapor.
I hope you're not suggesting a script run as root on a unix machine can't do damage. As I remember, the first 'worm' ever was developed for unix machines. Also, it's not OPENING your mail that triggers the worm. It's RUNNING the SCRIPT. This can also be done outside of the email. This is a classic case of users having more control then they can handle. Fix? Remove some control. I personaly would rather be allowed to run whatever I want out of my email but obviously this is too much for average sheeple to handle.
You're assuming again there is a "hole" in VBScript. You're blaming the company for it's user's mistakes, when it works exactly how it's supposed to. Microsoft's "fix" for the "security hole" is to disable the running of VBS within mail so that it's uninformed users won't run attachments. I guess the next step is to disable the use of.exe's in the operating system.
The fansite can't claim they own the show "Iron Chef" just because Fuji never made them take down the images. Fuji owns the copyright regardless of whether they enforce it. It's obvious companies like this are shooting themselves in the foot by not being selective about WHERE they enforce their copyrights. As for the Iron Porn, that is already protected by parody laws... As long as it's original art!
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Csoft has a custom made command line control panel that is run from the shell. According to the tool they are opensourcing the next version, so you can question them on the status. It controls mail/DNS/mysql amoung other things. csoft: http://www.csoft.net commands for csoftadm: http://hail-eris.com/~nekhbet/cadm/cadm.html
IMs would be like gnutella if they were distributed, unlike IRC or jabber which are not...
*The server is the client.* Get it?
Learn to read.
You forgot Jabber the best one of all. Usable not only AIM but also ICQ, Yahoo, MSN, IRC and it's own jabber protocol. Also, I got this Slashdot article's headline from the RSS Transport. Definitly the jack of all trades in instant messenging. The server is completely GPL'd and clients are finished or in the works for all major OS'.
For more info:
www.jabber.org
www.jabber.com
www.jabbercentral.com
Actually I believe this poster is 100% correct. Most technology comes with justified risk. Safety is often overlooked in favor of conveniance. If you guys want to live in a cabin in the klondyke eating enriched wheat bread and drinking stream water, be my guest.
I prefer my cell phones, vehicles, microwaves, electronics, escelators, guns, heaters, air conditioners, antibiotics, compressed air products and all the other modern convieniences that have been called health risks at one time or another.
And if you think cell phones are an unnecessary extravagance, talk to me again in a few years, when having a personal communications device is not only expected, but as required as normal telephones are today.
"Those who choose safety over freedom deserve neither"
I found this article interesting as a novelty, but since the virus you're refering to (according to this link) is out of date by 7 months the only thing this proves is that I don't have my degree in history :)
Also, another distinction I should point out is that this virus only affected Outlook Express, not Outlook which was the topic of conversation, and didn't work on NT or have a payload. This isolated incident does not support your image of an OS "totaly lacking any security" as the security hole was patched 7 months ago as can be seen here.
I see your point though, security on the net is a big issue and always will be. However, it's an issue for Microsoft OS' AND *nix. For every security feature implemented a couple more develop.
Outlook comes set up by default to open each mail you get for you (previews), and can run scripts in this fashion without you even being in front of the computer, or you can disable this in Outlook which would limit these dangers to only occur as you click on them to read them, which of course is great security (cough).
Melissa nor any other VBS/Macro based worm is spread in the manner you describe. It is spread via attachments as I previously stated. In fact, I don't have experience with any virus, trojen, worm or other type of 'pathogen' of any kind that is spread by viewing them in Outlook's preview pane.
Would you kindly post examples, or are you done being a Micro-bigot? It's fine if you don't like their OS or their software, but at least don't spread disinformation about it. There's plenty of tangable problems you can hit on without spewing vapor.
References for you:
Info on the Melissa virus
Info on the ILOVEYOU virus
Is this enough or should I cross reference?
I hope you're not suggesting a script run as root on a unix machine can't do damage. As I remember, the first 'worm' ever was developed for unix machines. Also, it's not OPENING your mail that triggers the worm. It's RUNNING the SCRIPT. This can also be done outside of the email. This is a classic case of users having more control then they can handle. Fix? Remove some control. I personaly would rather be allowed to run whatever I want out of my email but obviously this is too much for average sheeple to handle.
You're assuming again there is a "hole" in VBScript. You're blaming the company for it's user's mistakes, when it works exactly how it's supposed to. Microsoft's "fix" for the "security hole" is to disable the running of VBS within mail so that it's uninformed users won't run attachments. I guess the next step is to disable the use of .exe's in the operating system.
The fansite can't claim they own the show "Iron Chef" just because Fuji never made them take down the images. Fuji owns the copyright regardless of whether they enforce it. It's obvious companies like this are shooting themselves in the foot by not being selective about WHERE they enforce their copyrights. As for the Iron Porn, that is already protected by parody laws... As long as it's original art!