However the fact that it was the VERY FIRST proposed law is a great example of the true colors of the post-revolution government.
Nonsense — all it shows is the lack of political savvy among the new rulers. The Bolsheviks' first decree was that of Peace. Did that mean, they were the most peaceful group of people ever to take power?..
here's the envoy of Ukraine in the UN saying that Bandera was a hero
And what exactly is wrong with that statement? He was a nationalist — wanting an independent and strong Ukraine. And though I'm suspicious of nationalism, because it is a form of Collectivism, he was not any more evil, than, for example, Charle de Gaulle of France.
Volyn sounds awful in the 21st century, but you are forgetting that Bandera himself was in a concentration camp, when that happened. And that Stalin was doing far worse before and after that. Heck, even de Gaulle was doing similar things later in Algier and "Indochina".
He allied with Hitler at some point, but so what? Stalin allied with Hitler too — in 1939, less than two years before Hitler attacked him. But Stalin, whose murderous monstrosity exceeds even that of Hitler, is a national hero in Russia today — and nobody so much as snickers about it.
Contrary to Russia's repeated assertions, Bandera was neither a "fascist" in general, nor a "nazi" in particular — his actual "crime" was rejection of Russia's "benevolence", certainly an anathema to any regime in Moscow's.
Yet, I see, how Russian propaganda succeeded with you...
All I see is one government trying to take control of a group of people from another government.
Putin is trying to rebuild the USSR. Piece by piece, little by little.
Until someone makes these points we aren't talking about liberty.
We are. Russia's modus operandi — since the times of Catherine the Great (who conquered Poland this way) — is sabotaging a neighbor's development to the point, where the country becomes a pushover. The easiest way to do this is to ensure, a Russia's puppet is the ruler (king, president, whatever).
Unexpectedly, Ukrainians overthrew Russia-supported Yanukovich, and Putin reacted... It is this liberty — to elect their own government — that America may wish to help preserve.
I believe the speaker of those words was shot through the face for his beliefs and direction he wanted to take the country.
There must be some reason, you brought up his fate here... Did you mean, we — the United States — renounced the words he spoke? If not, what did you mean?
cancellation of the law against the denial of nazi crimes or nazi propaganda
Funny, how we don't have such a law here in the US — and are doing just fine without it... Perhaps, we are all Nazis now...
And just yesterday - Ministry of International Affairs said that Russians in Ukraine are not a native nationality but a diaspora, so they don't have any rights of self-determination
Replace "Russians" with "Mexicans" and "Ukraine" with "United States" and "try to guess"...
Unless you're suggesting the Swedish neonazis are spetsnaz as well.
Who knows, who they are and why they went to Ukraine — if they did. But even if everything you are throwing onto the fan here were true, why does this give any justification to Putin's invasion?
Sheriff Joe, I hear, is being unkind to Mexicans in Arizona — can Mexican army invade and stage a referendum to annex the state for this reason?
How can they say with a straight face that the Crimea can't secede, when they themselves set a precedent for a local population to secede from a country?
Milosevic gave Kosovars the reason — and need — to secede, when he commenced ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. The same sort of atrocities are being constantly alleged by Russian propaganda to be happening in Ukraine, except — unlike in Kosovo — they aren't real. Putin is playing your kind like a violin.
One of the mistakes of today's "golden billion" (that's you and me) is that the days of the Big Lie are over...
In any case, the US and UK are in consultation with the UNSC, so the obligations of the US/UK to Ukraine under the agreement are fully met.
Seriously? For real? Engaging in consultations constitutes full meeting of obligations, as far as you are concerned?
Well, in that case, how could anyone be seriously concerned for their security — the US will always enter into "consultations" for them...
This must be the 21st century — Obama's — America...
We'll pay a bargain price, bear a reasonable burden, inconvenience ourselves a little bit, argue with friends, apologize to foes, in order to facilitate preconditions for the success of compliance.
And this is worse than the US backing a violent coup d'etat against a democratically elected leader.....how, exactly?
The primary — and objective — difference is that the US backing of that coup d'etat did not have annexing any territory as its goal.
Oh, and that little bit about preventing the spread of Communism — the single most murderous school of thought known to man (even Hitler's strand of Fascism is but a distant second) — was a good part too.
It's no threat to you or your interests, so I have to ask: are you an incurable busybody
I suppose, I am an incurable busybody... When they came for Abhasia, I did not speak out, because I was not a Georgian. When they came for Crimea, I did not speak out, because I was not a Ukrainian.... When they came for Alaska, there was nobody left to speak out for me.
Well, if the National Aeronautics and Space Administration can engage in "Muslim Outreach" and research of "collapse of industrial civilization", then why can't Slashdot write about politics? It is "stuff that matters", at least...
How about we stay the fuck out of things for once and fix some problems back home.
Oh, and what, may I ask, happened to these fine words?
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
No one ever believed Russia's word, but if US and UK fail to keep theirs too, what sort of message will that send to Iran and others developing their own nuclear weapons? A very clear one: you do need these weapons to be taken seriously, and no foreign guarantees are worth the paper they are soiling...
Yes, eventually, this would help. Meanwhile, however, Ukraine needs military equipment — not just the drone-provided intelligence. The sort of massive airlift of military supplies, that helped Israel defend itself against the massive Arab armies back in the day...
Ukraine has soldiers, what it does not have is enough fuel for its tanks, airplanes, and other vehicles...
This being a propaganda war more of the first degree, among these guys' objectives was, likely, the staging of violent incidents to give Russian media more video clips of Ukraine's "nazis" persecuting "innocent civilians".
Russia keeps trying to portray Ukraine's new government as the sort of Serbs persecuting Albanians in Kosovo (or Bosniaks in Bosnia) — so as to give itself the same justification West used for intervention against Milosevic.
Because Ukraine, despite daily provocations, refuses to engage in ethnic cleansings, "convincing" spetznas operations may be in order...
Ever think that perhaps the media in the US doesn't allow you to see all the crap it does, exactly like the media in China?
Who is talking about media, you softheaded dimwit? The talk is about governments — US government is giving up control of the Internet, not US media. And what we yield, the Chinese and the Russian governments pick up.
They want the video for convictions, but they will make damn sure the video is lost or the camera is off when they go to beat the shit out of some innocent person.
Same is true for all evidence.
video should be stored by an independent third party
This is a possible solution, yes, to storage of all evidence. That said, I wonder, who would that reliable third party be — and what will prevent them from occasionally colluding with cops the same way, cops may already collude with each other.
Maybe, electronic evidence (including these videos) — that's so easily duplicated — can be stored in multiple places. Then we'll just need to ensure, the video-stream is continuously uploaded — even while the officer is still out there. And, of course, the cameras need to be proven against tampering and able to communicate wirelessly with all those multiple locations (or, at least, the cruiser) — even if there happens to be a piece of foil in there.
Pretty quick it becomes a very expensive device — if you can make it at all...
So, are you saying that we lost our Freedom around 1914? I'm very curious, what was happening then? Well, there was the build up to the Great Depression. I'm probably giving you too much credit. You probably just don't know how old our country is.
Federal Income Tax. Evidently, I know your history at least somewhat better than you do.
The Free Market is a lie. It has never existed, and it never will.
That's putting it straight, sure... Completely false, but nicely straightforward, thank you.
Mind you, the CIA and the NSA have been doing this shit for decades now
CIA and NSA are only invading my privacy. It is a serious transgression, to be sure, but they don't care, how I raise my children, what I am paid, what sort of light-bulbs I use (a new excuse for the government to check my bedroom), nor, indeed, where and I how I buy my car — just to put this conversation back on topic.
You should read up on what the US did in South America
Stopping the spread of Communism — the deadliest school of thought known to man (even Hitler's peculiar strand of Fascism is but a distant second) — was and remains something to be proud of. Compare Chile, where we succeeded, with Cuba, where we failed... One is Latin America's top economy, the other a crap-hole, which even Michael Moore's brilliant propaganda can't turn into a chicken sandwich.
But we are talking about domestic laws, not foreign policy, so let's stick to that.
If you don't want to help the needy, fund basic education for the betterment of all
I don't want to be forced at gun-point to pay for all those things — and that's exactly, how IRS collects the monies. But, if I must subsidize those poor, would you accept their disenfranchisement? For any recipient of public assistance is to state the Pauper's Oath — and not participate in any poll while receiving such assistance and for, say, three more months after recovering their self-sufficiency?
Why wouldn't you accept that — the unfortunates temporarily down on their luck will not care, while the life-long takers will, at least, lose their say in the affairs of the country. No, it is neither a poll tax nor a property requirement — you can be dirt poor and still vote, as long as you don't ask for public assistance.
Still a no?..
I don't know where you got shelter and telephone service from...
From the government's subsidies for housing projects, fuel assistance, and the telephones — both wired and cellular (affectionately referred to as "Obamaphones"). Evidently, I know more about the country's present than you as well — not just history.
go live in fucking Somalia
(Manners, young man, manners. If you lose your temper, I win.) Why don't you instead go live in fancy North Korea — where laws abound, effective taxes exceed 90% (what is not government-provided is unaffordable) and every one is equally poor?
With my taxes, I buy civilization. I'm going to bike my hippy ass to work tomorrow on publicly funded roads
Is not it terrible, that one still has to pay for the bicycle to e
Free market principles? How about plain old freedom?
Contrary to some economists' arguments, free market originated from freedom. We didn't become a capitalist country, because it was an efficient way to run economy. We've developed the free markets, because we were free — one's only obligations were those, that were spelled out in the contracts one entered into voluntarily (plus family relations and patriotism).
Sadly, those freedoms have been chipped at for over 100 years now... Today we must feed all the hungry (without subjecting them even to the "indignity" of the Pauper's Oath — forget about disenfranchising), we must pay for other people's education. And shelter. And healthcare. And telephone service...
New Jersey legislature has been in Democratic hands forever — they'll find the rhetorics. We have this pseudo-Conservative Governor today, which makes for occasional fireworks, but it is legislature, that writes these laws. And the Governor will sign it — because he does not care enough to put up a fight.
There is already some flexibility on that front. Cancer immunotherapies like sipuleucel-T (Provenge, approved in 2010) are unique to each patient.
"Some flexibility" my sore back... Life-saving medicine is still denied patients, because of the FDA's approval cycle. And the additional obscenity of it all, it that the (would-be) manufacturer of the drug is portrayed as the villain...
It is my understanding, that FDA's current stance is that all such person-specific treatments/medicines must be individually approved... And, because the approval process is so horrendously difficult and expensive, few would be willing (nay, able) to do it. Companies do it for mass-market drugs, but for individually-tailored mixtures — where the expected market is numbered in mere scores or, at best, hundreds of people — it just makes no sense...
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Nonsense — all it shows is the lack of political savvy among the new rulers. The Bolsheviks' first decree was that of Peace. Did that mean, they were the most peaceful group of people ever to take power?..
And what exactly is wrong with that statement? He was a nationalist — wanting an independent and strong Ukraine. And though I'm suspicious of nationalism, because it is a form of Collectivism, he was not any more evil, than, for example, Charle de Gaulle of France.
Volyn sounds awful in the 21st century, but you are forgetting that Bandera himself was in a concentration camp, when that happened. And that Stalin was doing far worse before and after that. Heck, even de Gaulle was doing similar things later in Algier and "Indochina".
He allied with Hitler at some point, but so what? Stalin allied with Hitler too — in 1939, less than two years before Hitler attacked him. But Stalin, whose murderous monstrosity exceeds even that of Hitler, is a national hero in Russia today — and nobody so much as snickers about it.
Contrary to Russia's repeated assertions, Bandera was neither a "fascist" in general, nor a "nazi" in particular — his actual "crime" was rejection of Russia's "benevolence", certainly an anathema to any regime in Moscow's.
Yet, I see, how Russian propaganda succeeded with you...
Putin is trying to rebuild the USSR. Piece by piece, little by little.
We are. Russia's modus operandi — since the times of Catherine the Great (who conquered Poland this way) — is sabotaging a neighbor's development to the point, where the country becomes a pushover. The easiest way to do this is to ensure, a Russia's puppet is the ruler (king, president, whatever).
Unexpectedly, Ukrainians overthrew Russia-supported Yanukovich, and Putin reacted... It is this liberty — to elect their own government — that America may wish to help preserve.
There must be some reason, you brought up his fate here... Did you mean, we — the United States — renounced the words he spoke? If not, what did you mean?
Funny, how we don't have such a law here in the US — and are doing just fine without it... Perhaps, we are all Nazis now...
Replace "Russians" with "Mexicans" and "Ukraine" with "United States" and "try to guess"...
On the other hand, the actual Nazis have denounced Ukraine's revolutionaries — including the Svoboda's leader — as "judes". Funny, how neither scum are arguing with each other, while decent folks have to defend themselves from both sides...
Who knows, who they are and why they went to Ukraine — if they did. But even if everything you are throwing onto the fan here were true, why does this give any justification to Putin's invasion?
Sheriff Joe, I hear, is being unkind to Mexicans in Arizona — can Mexican army invade and stage a referendum to annex the state for this reason?
Milosevic gave Kosovars the reason — and need — to secede, when he commenced ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. The same sort of atrocities are being constantly alleged by Russian propaganda to be happening in Ukraine, except — unlike in Kosovo — they aren't real. Putin is playing your kind like a violin.
One of the mistakes of today's "golden billion" (that's you and me) is that the days of the Big Lie are over...
Lawyer much? I see, that it was not just Bill Clinton, who would deny, that a blow job constitutes sex...
Seriously? For real? Engaging in consultations constitutes full meeting of obligations, as far as you are concerned?
Well, in that case, how could anyone be seriously concerned for their security — the US will always enter into "consultations" for them...
This must be the 21st century — Obama's — America...
The primary — and objective — difference is that the US backing of that coup d'etat did not have annexing any territory as its goal.
Oh, and that little bit about preventing the spread of Communism — the single most murderous school of thought known to man (even Hitler's strand of Fascism is but a distant second) — was a good part too.
I suppose, I am an incurable busybody... When they came for Abhasia, I did not speak out, because I was not a Georgian. When they came for Crimea, I did not speak out, because I was not a Ukrainian. ... When they came for Alaska, there was nobody left to speak out for me.
Well, if the National Aeronautics and Space Administration can engage in "Muslim Outreach" and research of "collapse of industrial civilization", then why can't Slashdot write about politics? It is "stuff that matters", at least...
Oh, and what, may I ask, happened to these fine words?
But, if you must have a cold reason for helping this particular liberty, let me remind you, that Ukraine was a nuclear power — until it agreed to give up its nukes in exchange for guarantees given jointly by Russia, US, and UK... The guarantors promised to ensure Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity.
No one ever believed Russia's word, but if US and UK fail to keep theirs too, what sort of message will that send to Iran and others developing their own nuclear weapons? A very clear one: you do need these weapons to be taken seriously, and no foreign guarantees are worth the paper they are soiling...
Yes, eventually, this would help. Meanwhile, however, Ukraine needs military equipment — not just the drone-provided intelligence. The sort of massive airlift of military supplies, that helped Israel defend itself against the massive Arab armies back in the day...
Ukraine has soldiers, what it does not have is enough fuel for its tanks, airplanes, and other vehicles...
This being a propaganda war more of the first degree, among these guys' objectives was, likely, the staging of violent incidents to give Russian media more video clips of Ukraine's "nazis" persecuting "innocent civilians".
Russia keeps trying to portray Ukraine's new government as the sort of Serbs persecuting Albanians in Kosovo (or Bosniaks in Bosnia) — so as to give itself the same justification West used for intervention against Milosevic.
Because Ukraine, despite daily provocations, refuses to engage in ethnic cleansings, "convincing" spetznas operations may be in order...
Whatever wrong you can accuse US of, China and/or Russia have done worse both to their own citizens and to other countries.
Back from the dead, maybe. But not as National Aeronautics and Space Administration... Damn it...
Who is talking about media, you softheaded dimwit? The talk is about governments — US government is giving up control of the Internet, not US media. And what we yield, the Chinese and the Russian governments pick up.
And if it were gone — from the softer among the minds — the events unfolding in Ukraine should put it right back, where it belongs.
Whatever wrong you can accuse US of, China and/or Russia have done worse both to their own citizens and to other countries.
Every modicum of control we give up, surrender, or otherwise lose, is a gain for the much less savory regimes. There is no escaping it...
Same is true for all evidence.
This is a possible solution, yes, to storage of all evidence. That said, I wonder, who would that reliable third party be — and what will prevent them from occasionally colluding with cops the same way, cops may already collude with each other.
Maybe, electronic evidence (including these videos) — that's so easily duplicated — can be stored in multiple places. Then we'll just need to ensure, the video-stream is continuously uploaded — even while the officer is still out there. And, of course, the cameras need to be proven against tampering and able to communicate wirelessly with all those multiple locations (or, at least, the cruiser) — even if there happens to be a piece of foil in there.
Pretty quick it becomes a very expensive device — if you can make it at all...
Federal Income Tax. Evidently, I know your history at least somewhat better than you do.
That's putting it straight, sure... Completely false, but nicely straightforward, thank you.
CIA and NSA are only invading my privacy. It is a serious transgression, to be sure, but they don't care, how I raise my children, what I am paid, what sort of light-bulbs I use (a new excuse for the government to check my bedroom), nor, indeed, where and I how I buy my car — just to put this conversation back on topic.
Stopping the spread of Communism — the deadliest school of thought known to man (even Hitler's peculiar strand of Fascism is but a distant second) — was and remains something to be proud of. Compare Chile, where we succeeded, with Cuba, where we failed... One is Latin America's top economy, the other a crap-hole, which even Michael Moore's brilliant propaganda can't turn into a chicken sandwich.
But we are talking about domestic laws, not foreign policy, so let's stick to that.
I don't want to be forced at gun-point to pay for all those things — and that's exactly, how IRS collects the monies. But, if I must subsidize those poor, would you accept their disenfranchisement? For any recipient of public assistance is to state the Pauper's Oath — and not participate in any poll while receiving such assistance and for, say, three more months after recovering their self-sufficiency?
Why wouldn't you accept that — the unfortunates temporarily down on their luck will not care, while the life-long takers will, at least, lose their say in the affairs of the country. No, it is neither a poll tax nor a property requirement — you can be dirt poor and still vote, as long as you don't ask for public assistance.
Still a no?..
From the government's subsidies for housing projects, fuel assistance, and the telephones — both wired and cellular (affectionately referred to as "Obamaphones"). Evidently, I know more about the country's present than you as well — not just history.
(Manners, young man, manners. If you lose your temper, I win.) Why don't you instead go live in fancy North Korea — where laws abound, effective taxes exceed 90% (what is not government-provided is unaffordable) and every one is equally poor?
Is not it terrible, that one still has to pay for the bicycle to e
It most certainly does. And always did.
Contrary to some economists' arguments, free market originated from freedom. We didn't become a capitalist country, because it was an efficient way to run economy. We've developed the free markets, because we were free — one's only obligations were those, that were spelled out in the contracts one entered into voluntarily (plus family relations and patriotism).
Sadly, those freedoms have been chipped at for over 100 years now... Today we must feed all the hungry (without subjecting them even to the "indignity" of the Pauper's Oath — forget about disenfranchising), we must pay for other people's education. And shelter. And healthcare. And telephone service...
Freedom, you say?..
New Jersey legislature has been in Democratic hands forever — they'll find the rhetorics. We have this pseudo-Conservative Governor today, which makes for occasional fireworks, but it is legislature, that writes these laws. And the Governor will sign it — because he does not care enough to put up a fight.
"Some flexibility" my sore back... Life-saving medicine is still denied patients, because of the FDA's approval cycle. And the additional obscenity of it all, it that the (would-be) manufacturer of the drug is portrayed as the villain...
It is my understanding, that FDA's current stance is that all such person-specific treatments/medicines must be individually approved... And, because the approval process is so horrendously difficult and expensive, few would be willing (nay, able) to do it. Companies do it for mass-market drugs, but for individually-tailored mixtures — where the expected market is numbered in mere scores or, at best, hundreds of people — it just makes no sense...