I think the two (God, universe) to hand in hand. Did one come before the other?....or have both always just been there?
Well, that's a new twist to the chicken-and-egg conundrum.. *grin* Which came first, God or the Universe!
Personally, I'd say the Universe came first. The perception of THE supreme being, would have come billions of years later, when Man started thinking in those lines
well, i would think it would be just the opposite. a volunteer group will have a larger number of people actively involved in various aspects of the development, rather than one division in a corporation.
However, if your thinking is correct, then the whole point of such a model is useless. i sure don;t want to wait for some 6-year old to get free from his school exams (who also happens to be THE volunteer requied) for support in a critical piece of software. The volunter group should be able to dynamically assign and re-assign responsibilites as required. If it cannot do that, soory, but the whole model is of no use.
As an aside, the company I am part of found a small bug in IE5x. We immediately reported it to MS and within a day we recieved an acknowledgement of the bug as well as the solution for it.
Yes, I do get fast responses for most open-source based stuff too. But if an open-source project is going downlhill all the time there is no need to save or defend it, only BECAUSE it is open source. This just shows a fixed mindset that cannot accept that any open source thing can be bad (in fact worse than any commercial/closed project).
vinod
Why can't everyone simply realize that each system has its own advantages as well as disadvantages? Both Windows and Linux are powerful and can do a lot of things. If the two work together, they end up doing even more things.
But the whole war of which is better really suxxx. Simply because, there are too many factors that have to be taken in account when doing this comparison.
I remember the time that I had setup a mail andn proxy server on a Windows NT box for a small Non-IT corporation and soon after started recieving calls of the system crashing and generally having problems. After reinstalling the entire system again, I started receiving those alls again. This time I investigated further and found out that the single "sysad" was using the server as his personal workstation, including playing games, MP3, installing and deleting programs at will. After a very stern warning to him that a repetition of that 1) would make me report it to his superiors and 2) a threat to replace NT w/ Linux, I haven't had a problem reported after that. The system has been working for over a year w/o a single crash.
these days i charge companies more money to setup a Linux box than an equivalent NT box. Why is that? Lots of reasons - Setting up a Linux box with everything as required (libraries, security, patches, upgrades, whatnot and not to forget system training) is much more involved and time consuming. NT makes this easy, much more easy. And with W2K, its easier still.
MS's claims on the myths more or less ARE true even these days. The part of delegation is extremely acurate. Try administring a Linux box for a LARGE corporation. There ain't no way to dlegate stuff to juniors... RHL7 has done nothing to promote the image of Linux with KERNEL panic reports not helping in the very least.
And as a Linux fanatic himself agreed to me privately, Linux 2000 is nowhere near Windows 95 in ease of use for the end user. Yeah, I like Helix code and am waiting for the final release of KDE2 to test it out. But here is no doubt Linux ain't ready for the desktop yet in any manner. And don;t get me started on Kernel 2.4, JFS and the other stuff mentioned there.
Linux has its uses. Hell, I use it a lot both as a server as well as desktop. As a consultant I also recommend Linux whenever the requirements fit Linux's specs. But as a person who sees both sides of the fence, I take it as my responsibiliy to inform my clients of their best options. Not something that is my personal liking.
Well AFAIK, IE4 and above have always used rediriection thru a redir.dll file for all their links. In at even on the website many links go thru that.
BTW is this a FP?
vinod
Sorry but this ain't true at all. Recently changed the m/b of my home machine as well as 1 office server from a CC820 to a VC820. SDRAM to RDRAM. Home had win2k pro and office had win2k srv. Both upgrades went off w/o a hitch at al And win2k worked absolutely fine with the new m/bs.
Way too much commercialization of sports spils everything. Take a look at where the greed of the South African cricket caption - Hansie Conje - took him. Instead of playing sports for the sake of the game, plyears have become walking talking billboards of their sponsers. Sheesh!
Even if Earth was deliberately seeded with life, as some scientists have speculated, it has been left alone since then.
Well that is a possiblity that hasn't been explored in the article at all. If there is a colonization "wave" as suggessted, maybe the ETs were moving on trying to colonize the galaxy (and beyond?;-) ) asap. So they quickly "seed" the "third rock from the sun" and move on. They ETs or their generations must way way beyond any reachable distance by now.
That also means that the ETs may be eactly like us... or us exactly like them. Am not a christian, but doesn't the old testament say something like "God created Man in his own image?" or something to that effect? i wonder if "God" are these possible ancestors who hovered around in the skies till they were sure that the seeding went properly...
Just FYI, Windows 2K (all versions) do come with a telnet server. Its just turned off by default, as it should be for security's sake. (any competant *nix admin will know that too.) But its there for using all the same.
And HOW in the world is UNIX supposed to prevent a virus that has already cropped in at the mastering stage - in an EXE, DLL, SCR, VBS or someother type of file? Those machines are Win- based, right?
The UNIX part is there simply to prevent viruses in MEMORY in the CD duplication stage...
I would think it is VERY true. Not (only?) for the reasons that the other posts mention (*nix more stable, etc. etc.) but also from a smart busness strategy move too.
MS wouldn't be where it is now (yeah, yeah evil corp. and all but it IS the most well known s/w producing co. around.) if it weren't for its smart business moves. It would be extremely childish and stupid of them being so fanatical about their own product(s) that they don't even take a look at what the other competition is doing and doing better than them.
Something I personally think that the FSF and OSI need to do too. I use both "sides" of the OS fence a lot and like and dislike a lot of things in each. Both have their strengths and weaknesses.
In this case, I would say MS has a more "OPEN" (hahaha!!) mind by actually using and understanding their competinios. You never see MS supports criticize the other side. However there are way too many people I know or have heard right here in/. that are so against anything MS that they refuse to speak, read, or do anything except slam them. An unbiased look at everything tehnical is what is required - not one with clouded eyes.
In all, my view is actually agreeing to this thread in an offhand manner:). The only difference being that I do think that MS must be using all the other OSs in the world - at least just to know what to use next.
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I think the two (God, universe) to hand in hand. Did one come before the other?....or have both always just been there?
Well, that's a new twist to the chicken-and-egg conundrum.. *grin* Which came first, God or the Universe!
Personally, I'd say the Universe came first. The perception of THE supreme being, would have come billions of years later, when Man started thinking in those lines
Vinodwell, i would think it would be just the opposite. a volunteer group will have a larger number of people actively involved in various aspects of the development, rather than one division in a corporation.
However, if your thinking is correct, then the whole point of such a model is useless. i sure don;t want to wait for some 6-year old to get free from his school exams (who also happens to be THE volunteer requied) for support in a critical piece of software. The volunter group should be able to dynamically assign and re-assign responsibilites as required. If it cannot do that, soory, but the whole model is of no use.
As an aside, the company I am part of found a small bug in IE5x. We immediately reported it to MS and within a day we recieved an acknowledgement of the bug as well as the solution for it.
Yes, I do get fast responses for most open-source based stuff too. But if an open-source project is going downlhill all the time there is no need to save or defend it, only BECAUSE it is open source. This just shows a fixed mindset that cannot accept that any open source thing can be bad (in fact worse than any commercial/closed project).
vinod
Why can't everyone simply realize that each system has its own advantages as well as disadvantages? Both Windows and Linux are powerful and can do a lot of things. If the two work together, they end up doing even more things.
But the whole war of which is better really suxxx. Simply because, there are too many factors that have to be taken in account when doing this comparison.
I remember the time that I had setup a mail andn proxy server on a Windows NT box for a small Non-IT corporation and soon after started recieving calls of the system crashing and generally having problems. After reinstalling the entire system again, I started receiving those alls again. This time I investigated further and found out that the single "sysad" was using the server as his personal workstation, including playing games, MP3, installing and deleting programs at will. After a very stern warning to him that a repetition of that 1) would make me report it to his superiors and 2) a threat to replace NT w/ Linux, I haven't had a problem reported after that. The system has been working for over a year w/o a single crash.
these days i charge companies more money to setup a Linux box than an equivalent NT box. Why is that? Lots of reasons - Setting up a Linux box with everything as required (libraries, security, patches, upgrades, whatnot and not to forget system training) is much more involved and time consuming. NT makes this easy, much more easy. And with W2K, its easier still.
MS's claims on the myths more or less ARE true even these days. The part of delegation is extremely acurate. Try administring a Linux box for a LARGE corporation. There ain't no way to dlegate stuff to juniors... RHL7 has done nothing to promote the image of Linux with KERNEL panic reports not helping in the very least.
And as a Linux fanatic himself agreed to me privately, Linux 2000 is nowhere near Windows 95 in ease of use for the end user. Yeah, I like Helix code and am waiting for the final release of KDE2 to test it out. But here is no doubt Linux ain't ready for the desktop yet in any manner. And don;t get me started on Kernel 2.4, JFS and the other stuff mentioned there.
Linux has its uses. Hell, I use it a lot both as a server as well as desktop. As a consultant I also recommend Linux whenever the requirements fit Linux's specs. But as a person who sees both sides of the fence, I take it as my responsibiliy to inform my clients of their best options. Not something that is my personal liking.
Well AFAIK, IE4 and above have always used rediriection thru a redir.dll file for all their links. In at even on the website many links go thru that. BTW is this a FP? vinod
Sorry but this ain't true at all. Recently changed the m/b of my home machine as well as 1 office server from a CC820 to a VC820. SDRAM to RDRAM. Home had win2k pro and office had win2k srv. Both upgrades went off w/o a hitch at al And win2k worked absolutely fine with the new m/bs.
Way too much commercialization of sports spils everything. Take a look at where the greed of the South African cricket caption - Hansie Conje - took him. Instead of playing sports for the sake of the game, plyears have become walking talking billboards of their sponsers. Sheesh!
Even if Earth was deliberately seeded with life, as some scientists have speculated, it has been left alone since then.
Well that is a possiblity that hasn't been explored in the article at all. If there is a colonization "wave" as suggessted, maybe the ETs were moving on trying to colonize the galaxy (and beyond? ;-) ) asap. So they quickly "seed" the "third rock from the sun" and move on. They ETs or their generations must way way beyond any reachable distance by now.
That also means that the ETs may be eactly like us... or us exactly like them. Am not a christian, but doesn't the old testament say something like "God created Man in his own image?" or something to that effect? i wonder if "God" are these possible ancestors who hovered around in the skies till they were sure that the seeding went properly...
Just FYI, Windows 2K (all versions) do come with a telnet server. Its just turned off by default, as it should be for security's sake. (any competant *nix admin will know that too.) But its there for using all the same.
VinodAnd HOW in the world is UNIX supposed to prevent a virus that has already cropped in at the mastering stage - in an EXE, DLL, SCR, VBS or someother type of file? Those machines are Win- based, right? The UNIX part is there simply to prevent viruses in MEMORY in the CD duplication stage...
I would think it is VERY true. Not (only?) for the reasons that the other posts mention (*nix more stable, etc. etc.) but also from a smart busness strategy move too.
MS wouldn't be where it is now (yeah, yeah evil corp. and all but it IS the most well known s/w producing co. around.) if it weren't for its smart business moves. It would be extremely childish and stupid of them being so fanatical about their own product(s) that they don't even take a look at what the other competition is doing and doing better than them.
Something I personally think that the FSF and OSI need to do too. I use both "sides" of the OS fence a lot and like and dislike a lot of things in each. Both have their strengths and weaknesses.
In this case, I would say MS has a more "OPEN" (hahaha!!) mind by actually using and understanding their competinios. You never see MS supports criticize the other side. However there are way too many people I know or have heard right here in /. that are so against anything MS that they refuse to speak, read, or do anything except slam them. An unbiased look at everything tehnical is what is required - not one with clouded eyes.
In all, my view is actually agreeing to this thread in an offhand manner :). The only difference being that I do think that MS must be using all the other OSs in the world - at least just to know what to use next.