...one claimed that Free Software wouldn't be cheaper to use because they would need to change their procedures and way of running (which would have a cost)
Sure, but wouldn't upgrading to Vista as well? The fruit is worth the work of the harvest....MS sells them pretty cheap licences
Cheap in relation to...? I met with the principal and director of technology for a pretty big school district yesterday and one of his main motivations for moving to Linux and LTSP was because Microsoft has decided to start charging them anually for licenses....they couldn't roll out updates through out the network with free software in the same way that they could MS and they couldn't control it with the same level of precision that they could with MS products
LTSP updates the terminal server. The terminal server is what all thin clients run off of, so they are "automatically" updated when the server is (with a couple of rare occasions when you must update the chroot environment, but that is a one-stop simple procedure as well). Also, control is done through the terminal server. If you have multiple terminal servers for multiple sites and you're worried about updating them all at once, then there are things like Zenworks (though I'm not sure how it works with LTSP servers) and others I'm sure.
I administrate a ~13 node LTSP setup for a non-profit after school hangout for kids. Before I came around (about a year ago), their hardware was running with Windows 95/98, and was riddled with illegal software, viruses and spyware. The machines were unusable and they were begging me to help.
So, I sold them a cheap dual processor server and a bunch of PXE bootable NICs for their computers, and had an Edubuntu network running for them in a few weeks.
They haven't had any major problems since. It just works. Now tell me that THIS kind of thing costs more than administrating Windows boxes.
It's only a matter of time until most schools realise the full potential of open source software, let alone things like LTSP. It just makes sense to use things like this in an educational environment. Reduced cost, reduced administration, more portability between students...
And given that the students will "know" Linux after they're out of school, it's only a matter of time until it starts populating in the business world.
First there was Apple in education...And then Microsoft. Microsoft is shafting the educational system with their inflated licensing costs, and trust me, educators aren't standing for it any more.
You're using this as an excuse NOT to have a voter receipt?? How about you grow some testicles and get a better job/sue his unfair-employee-treatment-ass, if your boss is that much of a moron.
The entire structure was made of comparatively lightweight materials, and was essentially a hollow tube.
Wrong. The structure is made up of 47 box columns a yard wide, steel 4" thick at base. Look at the picture there and tell me that the building is "hollow" instead of "built with 47 incredibly dynamic, redundant supportive steel cores".
What would have been amazing would have been some sideways force that would have caused the structure(s) to do anything but move in accordance to gravity.
If you watch one of the hundreds of videos online you will see that the top of the South tower DID start to fall sideways, and then seemingly got pulverized into dust and debris, and THEN fell straight down with the rest of the building. Gravity doesn't work like that, especially when you're talking about a steel-core building. It doesn't just go straight down, not that evenly, not that precicely. And even if it did, the steel frames would have stayed up. You don't just assume that 47 steel box columns fall apart that easily. It's COMMON SENSE. You're acting like the building was made of legos.
But what the fire and stress did to the middle of the building was exactly a demolition crew would have done: weaken the centeral supporting structures all at the same time.
Wrong. Fire and stress would have weakened the central supporting structures unevenly, on those precise floors, causing random fallout and collapse. Demolition crews weaken the supporting structures precisely and evenly with cutter charges so the building falls straight down and doesn't hit much else. I'm not a demolition expert, but I do know that causing a building to fall straight down is an incredibly hard thing to do, and requires a LOT of precision, thought and research. You don't just shove a flying jet into the side of a building and expect the whole thing to fall straight down! Again, it's common sense when you think about the physics of a building.
Why is it people use the phrase "open your mind" when they mean "take what I'm saying, however ridiculous, on faith, because it makes my loony position feel better by having more people not point out how wrong I am, which takes the fun out of trying to blame my idealogical opponents for something that was done by other people entirely, whose sociopathic outlook I can't personally grasp, so I'd rather project a fictional one on my local political opponents?" Why is that, anyway?
I'm not saying "take what I'm saying" at all. I'm saying, make up your own mind. I'm not combatting your opinion. I'm speaking my own, and that is just as valid as you speaking your opinion. I'm just trying to give people a different view of what happened so they can make their own minds up, instead of hearing the SAME OLD STORIES of how it happened from the mainstream media.
Take a look at this. There is a lot of UN-BIASED, SCIENTIFIC research going on at this site. It's not done up by a bunch of whack-o conspiracy theorists, it's a place to do research and find the flaws in the NIST story based on FACT.
Like I said, open your mind instead of blindly believing the mass media and not taking anybody else's information into account. THEN make your decision.
I don't think that anyone would admit they were wrong about the physics of two 110 story buildings collapsing direclty DOWN into their own footprints (I invite you to show me a single building collapse in history that has fallen specifically onto itself without the aid of carefully placed explosives in a controlled demolition) after being hit at a very noticable ANGLE if they felt so strongly about it.
It's crazy to think that you're debunking scientific fact by so many professional scientists and highly educated individuals, blindly labelling it "conspiracy theory junk". This isn't a case of alien abductions or crop circles. This is a highly sensitive situation where, if you look at the way gravity works, how steel-framed buildings with multiple redundant cores work, and how reachable temperatures from jet-fuel fires versus these factors works, you simply CANNOT dismiss the fact that, even when the top of one of the falling towers starts to fall at an angle, away from the rest of the building, somehow it spontaneously turns to dust and debris instead of falling as one chunk. It just doesn't happen like that on Earth!! Think about it. Open your mind a little bit and think about it.
I'm sick of it too. I'm sick of the same stories about the heroes and the police and the victims and the terrorists. I've been sick of it for a LONG TIME now.
I was looking for a different angle on it, a Slashdot angle. An angle that focuses on the science and physics of 9/11. I'm sure you can agree that science and physics is geeky enough to talk about here, right?
Don't you think the physics of buildings falling because of aircraft crashing into them is amazing? Worth research, possibly to avoid it happening again? "Conspiracy theories" about how the buildings shouldn't have fallen straight down into their own footprints? What about WTC7? Do you even know what I'm talking about?
There's plenty of shit to talk about regarding the science and physics. How come we aren't interested? Are we all to scared to talk about it? Afraid you're gonna learn something you don't want to know?
Go ahead and flame the living shit out of me. Close your eyes and pretend it didn't happen, or it was 'far too long ago' to worry about anymore. Meanwhile, the fairy princess and her smurf friends are baking you happy cookies. Enjoy the spoonfeeding.
Can you even think of the science behind 9/11? Can't one story pose monument to it? How about how the buildings were structured? The theories behind it? How they just 'fell straight down'...isn't that a scientific and physical miracle??
I, for one, was looking for a non-mainstream story on 9/11, not the ABC story or the CNN story or whatever else the hypnotube is showing today.
I thought there could be some smart discussion. I guess this isn't the place for it anymore - just flamers and people who put you down for speaking your mind.
Fuck you. Try thinking before you react like that toward another human being.
IANAP but I think that 71 vulnerabilities in a FULL FEATURED web browser product is absolutely amazing. Just imagine if there was a chance to audit the source for IE? How many vulnerabilities do you think there would be, considering there are so many found without even LOOKING at the actual codebase?
I don't claim a damn thing. I just think that the collection of facts, reports, and things of the like are questionable. Is that so bad? Is it un-American to question your government? Fuck no.
You need to understand that the popular opinion isn't always, 100% the most informed, and you should think for YOURSELF and form your OWN opinion, with as little bias as possible. If you've done that, then great. I see very little of that these days, however, especially with all of the strange things happening with elections, sudden emergency NORAD terrorist alerts, long-standing wars on countries who apparently had NOTHING to do with the 9/11 disaster (WMDs? We don't need no stinking WMDs!)...Can't you admit that it's just a tad bit strange?
Ok, your theory might be true for the FIRST plane...but how about the second one (or third or fourth?), more than 15 minutes after the first plane who mysteriously went off track flew INTO A *$&#ING BUILDING..?
Very strange, I'm not sure either. You'd think that even BEFORE 9/11 happened, NORAD would have known about the planes' diverted flight path (and if not the first plane, the second one at least..??)...but for some reason they had no idea.
Talk about strange.
You'd think that 5 years after this horrible disaster, all of this "homeland security", increased taxpayer spending, would at least help us prepare for another homeland strike..but for some reason, most of us feel more at risk than before 9/11. Even our president tells us it could happen at any time, and the only thing to do is "fight the terrorists".
Talk about eerie...
I'm 26, young and still have a lot of fight left in me...but I'm scared for the older people that are sitting at home, watching CNN/Fox news, scared that a terrorist will blow their house up. Or the kids (the kids!) who don't understand why two huge buildings "just fell down"... For some reason, these billions and billions of taxpayer dollars that are supposed to be going toward helping us all feel better about the security of a nation...just isn't there.
Get a cheap IDE hard drive and an external USB2.0 enclosure. Either copy the files, or if you want a restorable image, use Microsoft backup. It's easy. Seriously. It will do your whole system, a whole directory, whatever. Why would you want to waste time changing a bunch of DVDs when you can just plug in a USB hard drive and COPY THE FILES (or use a program that's pretty much on every version of Windows, or is easily copied once from the CD?)?
Bring it to your buddie's house, no proprietary crap to deal with if you just copied the damn files. No compression, whatever. Shit, even use it on Linux!
I'm with most of you - I'd rather use dd or tar...but for Windows, MS Backup isn't bad - especially for a simple home backup.
P.S. BOBS backup rocks for Linux and remote backup...very simple, just could use some interface tweaks! Programmers, anyone?;)
Ok, that makes a bit more sense... I saw a video on Youtube with someone playing it and it just looked like all they were doing was hitting the fret buttons. I'll have to check it out.
I mean, I haven't played GH myself before...but I mean... a guitar with buttons instead of strings? Why do you all like that so much? At LEAST have strings, and it doesn't matter much where you press them down, but strumming a guitar is what's makes playing fun, not pressing an electronic button...Are they even pressure sensitive?
Stop invading countries for the wrong reasons!! Maybe then they'll stop thinking about blowing us all up!! Instead of motivating ourselves to find better technology to find explosives, how about motivating the "terrorists" into NOT killing all of us by actually working with them to resolve our differences instead of battling on, invading and taking over their land in the name of "Democracy and Freedom" (READ: power and money)?
Could it ever work? Would we ever try this tactic?
...and the lack thereof is what really sickens me.
You can't ever trust a computer, no matter what, ESPECIALLY in such an important thing as a governmental election. We *need* checks and balances.
1) Vote with electronic voting machines. 2) Receive a paper reciept with a 'checksum' of sorts that add up to your specific votes (this is the only pitfall right now, since obviously printing a paper reciept is WAY too complex to code by Diebold programmers) 3) Submit your checksum to any number of third party, independent voting "Check & Balance" websites. These sites can independently tally votes from citizens in each voting district, and if descrepencies occur between the official count and any number of these sites, secondary validation routines/alerts can occur.
Why would this be such a hard solution? I'm sure any number of you can code a simple database/website that tallies citizens' votes. I'll do the hosting for free.
Let's open source this muther f*cker, whether they like it or not!
FTFA: cyanide is found in a number of foods and plants. In certain plant foods, including almonds, millet sprouts, lima beans, soy, spinach, bamboo shoots, and cassava roots (which are a major source of food in tropical countries), cyanides occur naturally as part of sugars or other naturally-occurring compounds.
C'mon. I'd like to see you take all of this stuff up to the self-checkout and get a deep rooted anal search for it.
I think it'd be safe to say that if you're doing a manual (I.E. not 'apt-get' / RPM equiv.) install, you should KNOW if you have multiple versions on your computer. You should further know that doing a manual install into/usr/bin is "universally stupid" (Thanks, Fruit Loops).
My *&$@ing jaw dropped when I saw the headline. 'I THOUGHT THE JUDGE JUST WENT FORWARD WITH THE CASE!!'... Halfway down the article 'Not to be confused with the 500 other stories this month about AT&T Lawsuits by the EFF'....
Go corporate America!! Way to get your message heard in the most unobtrusive, sincere fashion. I'm sure you'll gain a lot of proud customers through dumb marketing ideas, just like "Let's spam a million people and get 10 suckers to give us money! Woohoo!"
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...one claimed that Free Software wouldn't be cheaper to use because they would need to change their procedures and way of running (which would have a cost)
...MS sells them pretty cheap licences
...they couldn't roll out updates through out the network with free software in the same way that they could MS and they couldn't control it with the same level of precision that they could with MS products
Sure, but wouldn't upgrading to Vista as well? The fruit is worth the work of the harvest.
Cheap in relation to...? I met with the principal and director of technology for a pretty big school district yesterday and one of his main motivations for moving to Linux and LTSP was because Microsoft has decided to start charging them anually for licenses.
LTSP updates the terminal server. The terminal server is what all thin clients run off of, so they are "automatically" updated when the server is (with a couple of rare occasions when you must update the chroot environment, but that is a one-stop simple procedure as well). Also, control is done through the terminal server. If you have multiple terminal servers for multiple sites and you're worried about updating them all at once, then there are things like Zenworks (though I'm not sure how it works with LTSP servers) and others I'm sure.
I administrate a ~13 node LTSP setup for a non-profit after school hangout for kids. Before I came around (about a year ago), their hardware was running with Windows 95/98, and was riddled with illegal software, viruses and spyware. The machines were unusable and they were begging me to help.
So, I sold them a cheap dual processor server and a bunch of PXE bootable NICs for their computers, and had an Edubuntu network running for them in a few weeks.
They haven't had any major problems since. It just works. Now tell me that THIS kind of thing costs more than administrating Windows boxes.
It's only a matter of time until most schools realise the full potential of open source software, let alone things like LTSP. It just makes sense to use things like this in an educational environment. Reduced cost, reduced administration, more portability between students...
And given that the students will "know" Linux after they're out of school, it's only a matter of time until it starts populating in the business world.
First there was Apple in education...And then Microsoft. Microsoft is shafting the educational system with their inflated licensing costs, and trust me, educators aren't standing for it any more.
You're using this as an excuse NOT to have a voter receipt?? How about you grow some testicles and get a better job/sue his unfair-employee-treatment-ass, if your boss is that much of a moron.
Sorry - the last link was bad. it's http://911research.wtc7.net/ .
The entire structure was made of comparatively lightweight materials, and was essentially a hollow tube.
Wrong. The structure is made up of 47 box columns a yard wide, steel 4" thick at base. Look at the picture there and tell me that the building is "hollow" instead of "built with 47 incredibly dynamic, redundant supportive steel cores".
What would have been amazing would have been some sideways force that would have caused the structure(s) to do anything but move in accordance to gravity.
If you watch one of the hundreds of videos online you will see that the top of the South tower DID start to fall sideways, and then seemingly got pulverized into dust and debris, and THEN fell straight down with the rest of the building. Gravity doesn't work like that, especially when you're talking about a steel-core building. It doesn't just go straight down, not that evenly, not that precicely. And even if it did, the steel frames would have stayed up. You don't just assume that 47 steel box columns fall apart that easily. It's COMMON SENSE. You're acting like the building was made of legos.
But what the fire and stress did to the middle of the building was exactly a demolition crew would have done: weaken the centeral supporting structures all at the same time.
Wrong. Fire and stress would have weakened the central supporting structures unevenly, on those precise floors, causing random fallout and collapse. Demolition crews weaken the supporting structures precisely and evenly with cutter charges so the building falls straight down and doesn't hit much else. I'm not a demolition expert, but I do know that causing a building to fall straight down is an incredibly hard thing to do, and requires a LOT of precision, thought and research. You don't just shove a flying jet into the side of a building and expect the whole thing to fall straight down! Again, it's common sense when you think about the physics of a building.
Why is it people use the phrase "open your mind" when they mean "take what I'm saying, however ridiculous, on faith, because it makes my loony position feel better by having more people not point out how wrong I am, which takes the fun out of trying to blame my idealogical opponents for something that was done by other people entirely, whose sociopathic outlook I can't personally grasp, so I'd rather project a fictional one on my local political opponents?" Why is that, anyway?
I'm not saying "take what I'm saying" at all. I'm saying, make up your own mind. I'm not combatting your opinion. I'm speaking my own, and that is just as valid as you speaking your opinion. I'm just trying to give people a different view of what happened so they can make their own minds up, instead of hearing the SAME OLD STORIES of how it happened from the mainstream media.
Take a look at this. There is a lot of UN-BIASED, SCIENTIFIC research going on at this site. It's not done up by a bunch of whack-o conspiracy theorists, it's a place to do research and find the flaws in the NIST story based on FACT.
Like I said, open your mind instead of blindly believing the mass media and not taking anybody else's information into account. THEN make your decision.
I don't think that anyone would admit they were wrong about the physics of two 110 story buildings collapsing direclty DOWN into their own footprints (I invite you to show me a single building collapse in history that has fallen specifically onto itself without the aid of carefully placed explosives in a controlled demolition) after being hit at a very noticable ANGLE if they felt so strongly about it.
It's crazy to think that you're debunking scientific fact by so many professional scientists and highly educated individuals, blindly labelling it "conspiracy theory junk". This isn't a case of alien abductions or crop circles. This is a highly sensitive situation where, if you look at the way gravity works, how steel-framed buildings with multiple redundant cores work, and how reachable temperatures from jet-fuel fires versus these factors works, you simply CANNOT dismiss the fact that, even when the top of one of the falling towers starts to fall at an angle, away from the rest of the building, somehow it spontaneously turns to dust and debris instead of falling as one chunk. It just doesn't happen like that on Earth!! Think about it. Open your mind a little bit and think about it.
I'm sick of it too. I'm sick of the same stories about the heroes and the police and the victims and the terrorists. I've been sick of it for a LONG TIME now.
I was looking for a different angle on it, a Slashdot angle. An angle that focuses on the science and physics of 9/11. I'm sure you can agree that science and physics is geeky enough to talk about here, right?
Don't you think the physics of buildings falling because of aircraft crashing into them is amazing? Worth research, possibly to avoid it happening again? "Conspiracy theories" about how the buildings shouldn't have fallen straight down into their own footprints? What about WTC7? Do you even know what I'm talking about?
There's plenty of shit to talk about regarding the science and physics. How come we aren't interested? Are we all to scared to talk about it? Afraid you're gonna learn something you don't want to know?
Go ahead and flame the living shit out of me. Close your eyes and pretend it didn't happen, or it was 'far too long ago' to worry about anymore. Meanwhile, the fairy princess and her smurf friends are baking you happy cookies. Enjoy the spoonfeeding.
I'm sorry, but you are an idiot.
Can you even think of the science behind 9/11? Can't one story pose monument to it? How about how the buildings were structured? The theories behind it? How they just 'fell straight down'...isn't that a scientific and physical miracle??
I, for one, was looking for a non-mainstream story on 9/11, not the ABC story or the CNN story or whatever else the hypnotube is showing today.
I thought there could be some smart discussion. I guess this isn't the place for it anymore - just flamers and people who put you down for speaking your mind.
Fuck you. Try thinking before you react like that toward another human being.
This has NOTHING to do with this story, and I apologize.
How come there are no 9/11/2001 stories today on Slashdot? Did we all forget? Is it not important enough anymore to warrant a story?
It's not only insulting, but downright strange that there hasn't been ONE main story about it today. What the hell is going on?
IANAP but I think that 71 vulnerabilities in a FULL FEATURED web browser product is absolutely amazing. Just imagine if there was a chance to audit the source for IE? How many vulnerabilities do you think there would be, considering there are so many found without even LOOKING at the actual codebase?
Way to stereotype.
I don't claim a damn thing. I just think that the collection of facts, reports, and things of the like are questionable. Is that so bad? Is it un-American to question your government? Fuck no.
You need to understand that the popular opinion isn't always, 100% the most informed, and you should think for YOURSELF and form your OWN opinion, with as little bias as possible. If you've done that, then great. I see very little of that these days, however, especially with all of the strange things happening with elections, sudden emergency NORAD terrorist alerts, long-standing wars on countries who apparently had NOTHING to do with the 9/11 disaster (WMDs? We don't need no stinking WMDs!)...Can't you admit that it's just a tad bit strange?
Ok, your theory might be true for the FIRST plane...but how about the second one (or third or fourth?), more than 15 minutes after the first plane who mysteriously went off track flew INTO A *$&#ING BUILDING..?
Very strange, I'm not sure either. You'd think that even BEFORE 9/11 happened, NORAD would have known about the planes' diverted flight path (and if not the first plane, the second one at least..??) ...but for some reason they had no idea.
Talk about strange.
You'd think that 5 years after this horrible disaster, all of this "homeland security", increased taxpayer spending, would at least help us prepare for another homeland strike..but for some reason, most of us feel more at risk than before 9/11. Even our president tells us it could happen at any time, and the only thing to do is "fight the terrorists".
Talk about eerie...
I'm 26, young and still have a lot of fight left in me...but I'm scared for the older people that are sitting at home, watching CNN/Fox news, scared that a terrorist will blow their house up. Or the kids (the kids!) who don't understand why two huge buildings "just fell down"... For some reason, these billions and billions of taxpayer dollars that are supposed to be going toward helping us all feel better about the security of a nation...just isn't there.
Talk about a completely unbalanced proportion. 5 years later, we still don't know what happened on 9/11.
Get a cheap IDE hard drive and an external USB2.0 enclosure. Either copy the files, or if you want a restorable image, use Microsoft backup. It's easy. Seriously. It will do your whole system, a whole directory, whatever. Why would you want to waste time changing a bunch of DVDs when you can just plug in a USB hard drive and COPY THE FILES (or use a program that's pretty much on every version of Windows, or is easily copied once from the CD?)?
;)
Bring it to your buddie's house, no proprietary crap to deal with if you just copied the damn files. No compression, whatever. Shit, even use it on Linux!
I'm with most of you - I'd rather use dd or tar...but for Windows, MS Backup isn't bad - especially for a simple home backup.
P.S. BOBS backup rocks for Linux and remote backup...very simple, just could use some interface tweaks! Programmers, anyone?
Sorry..just a 2000 number..I guess i'm a n00b. =p
Ok, that makes a bit more sense... I saw a video on Youtube with someone playing it and it just looked like all they were doing was hitting the fret buttons. I'll have to check it out.
I mean, I haven't played GH myself before...but I mean... a guitar with buttons instead of strings? Why do you all like that so much? At LEAST have strings, and it doesn't matter much where you press them down, but strumming a guitar is what's makes playing fun, not pressing an electronic button...Are they even pressure sensitive?
How about this...
..... ....
Are you ready for it?
Stop invading countries for the wrong reasons!! Maybe then they'll stop thinking about blowing us all up!! Instead of motivating ourselves to find better technology to find explosives, how about motivating the "terrorists" into NOT killing all of us by actually working with them to resolve our differences instead of battling on, invading and taking over their land in the name of "Democracy and Freedom" (READ: power and money)?
Could it ever work? Would we ever try this tactic?
*clap clap clap clap*
...and the lack thereof is what really sickens me.
You can't ever trust a computer, no matter what, ESPECIALLY in such an important thing as a governmental election. We *need* checks and balances.
1) Vote with electronic voting machines.
2) Receive a paper reciept with a 'checksum' of sorts that add up to your specific votes (this is the only pitfall right now, since obviously printing a paper reciept is WAY too complex to code by Diebold programmers)
3) Submit your checksum to any number of third party, independent voting "Check & Balance" websites. These sites can independently tally votes from citizens in each voting district, and if descrepencies occur between the official count and any number of these sites, secondary validation routines/alerts can occur.
Why would this be such a hard solution? I'm sure any number of you can code a simple database/website that tallies citizens' votes. I'll do the hosting for free.
Let's open source this muther f*cker, whether they like it or not!
FTFA: cyanide is found in a number of foods and plants. In certain plant foods, including almonds, millet sprouts, lima beans, soy, spinach, bamboo shoots, and cassava roots (which are a major source of food in tropical countries), cyanides occur naturally as part of sugars or other naturally-occurring compounds.
C'mon. I'd like to see you take all of this stuff up to the self-checkout and get a deep rooted anal search for it.
What a day to shop.
I think it'd be safe to say that if you're doing a manual (I.E. not 'apt-get' / RPM equiv.) install, you should KNOW if you have multiple versions on your computer. You should further know that doing a manual install into /usr/bin is "universally stupid" (Thanks, Fruit Loops).
My *&$@ing jaw dropped when I saw the headline. 'I THOUGHT THE JUDGE JUST WENT FORWARD WITH THE CASE!!'... Halfway down the article 'Not to be confused with the 500 other stories this month about AT&T Lawsuits by the EFF'....
...I was about to start a riot.
A win for those who dislike governments breaking their own laws!
*does a little dance*
*realises that we still have a LONG way to go*
*frowns*
Go corporate America!! Way to get your message heard in the most unobtrusive, sincere fashion. I'm sure you'll gain a lot of proud customers through dumb marketing ideas, just like "Let's spam a million people and get 10 suckers to give us money! Woohoo!"