It comes with their computer. It was they use at work. Their documents do not look funny on other computers. It is stable (yes slashdotters it is not 1998 anymore as WIndows uses an NT kernel now), and most important RUNS ALL THEIR SOFTWARE. No WINE. No hacks, No clones of what they used on their work pcs.
Why would someone want to change? Why put up with xorg.conf files, drivers breaking after a release update, finding drivers, etc. I left linux a few years ago as my main OS and unless things have radically changed the lack of an ABI meant after a release update or 2 the distro would BREAK. ATI drivers would stop working etc.
So the answer is unless you run a server, do crazy development work in computer science or strange mathematical apis, then there is no reason to change. In 1998 Unix had the best development tools. In 2015 Vistual Studio 2015 has clang, java support, android SDK, typescript, and the same libraries.
Well truth be told to you and the grandparent here that Windows 7 is heading towards another WIndows XP. It is legacy now and in a short time will go EOL. Windows 7 won't be around forever.
Windows 10 is the last OS by Microsoft. Future versions will be MacOSX like 10.1, 10.2, etc.
I forced myself a few months ago to switch to Windows 8.1. Actually I found out I just did not like change mostly and didn't realize it. I put in a start menu replacement and modernMIX to make apps act like applications and found glass8. I have a surface now too which I am now getting comfortable without aero and the new flat look.
Windows 8.1 & 10 are less heavy and boot fast if you disable bios/CSM and go straight into uEFI. UEFI is wonderful! It just works and is very fast.
Cons: - Windows 10 is not stable and in my opinion very beta quality as No QA team is left at Microsoft and were laid off - They will be very frequent updates with only the pro version giving you the choise to skip every other update aka.1 release
So if anyone reading this is using Windows 7 I would think about switching... next summer after bloodstone and 10.1 get released and the nasty bugs get fixed. The applets are pretty cool if they are not full screen and it is nice to have a book reader for my MCSE books and pandora or Netflix going. Under Windows 7 I needed a browser and a million tabs to sort. A pain.
I own a surface and as annoying as using this for my hotmail account it is really nice to have Office 365, Onedrive, favorites, and even desktop wallpapers and settings synced together. Even if you use Android you can gain the cloud functionality portion and MS office too!
MS doesn't track your daily activities. The purpose is to get you on Onedrive and it's cloud offerings. You are free to use it or not. I use it because it is included. I have a truecrypt container I put on it for important files encrypted to be on the safe side for my passwords file and tax returns etc.
Which is why this ain't touching my desktop nor surface.
If I weren't an IT professional expected to be up to date I would still be on 7 to which is Microsoft's best OS. It is NO WHERE NEAR ready for primetime! I do not even run it on a vm in my lab as a simple vlan change can so a BSOD and there are no rsat tools?? wth. Now I read your post and it makes sense.
Window 7 beta 1 circa 2008 was faaar more stable than 10 now near RTM.
I will wait for bloodstone update then next one next summer and then upgrade because it's my job. It still will be flaky I am sure but oh well. Like I said if I were in another industry I would hold onto 7 for dear life
"You started at $40,000 if you had a degree in anything business. medical, or science related back then."
Simply, bullshit.
I graduated from high school in 1986, college (u of mn) in 1990 with a degree in international relations, with minors in German, geography, and European area studies, all of which at the time were considered desirable (if non specific) subjects. Minimum wage at the time was, iirc $4.25/hr. I started my first career level job in international business (specifically logistics) at $20k. I was delighted to make more than my age around age 27-28?
To suggest that $40k jobs were falling like manna is just complete nonsense.
FYI inflation is not accurate anymore as it does not cover food, cost, insurance, and higher education costs! So in essence image in 1990 if $20,000 required 5 years of experience to top it off:-)
That my friend is what recent grads have to contend with plus $1,000 a month for a 1 room apartment in most metropolitan areas to top it off which is not counted in inflation
I was hired by an Indian outsourced (I am local) and they brought in a consultant who would like for references and made a fake resume for me. I quit in disgust!
The problem is when people do this shit HR will simply demand more on a resume and look for keywords in Taleo and rank them by score and filter out all the good people. Resume inflation was also an issue but it really did start in outsourcing companies.
You put an unrealistic demand and a million headhunters from Bangalore say my guys have 10 years of experience in HTML 5 and what are you going to do?
Not saying your guys did this per say? But it hurts natives too as management gets the impression $45,000 a year is the average for a senior developer who has 8 years experience in 5 dozen languages and will now consider no less.
THe worst is Taleo that HR uses. It was never designed to do HR's job but the salespeople mentioned hey do your HR stuff while my website does the recruiting for you etc. So it scans for keywords and only the top 5 ranks get emailed to the secretary for the interview... all the ones from Bangalore with 10 years experience in HTML 5.
The average starting salary for CS graduates in 2014 is $60,000. Engineers are $62,000. The average business graduate is $54,000. So sorry, you are completely wrong.
Ok we are in a bubble right now for 1 major in particular. I was told by folks here to avoid IT as only Indians would do these jobs by now back in 2006.Most of you all were soo wrong.
I majored in business and yes only a few us had jobs that paid $13/hr - $16/hr.
I had experience so I could make just a little more less than 40% of what I used to make pre-Great Recession. Of course in 2015 the labor market is much better than this horrible one I was in back then.
Ask any young slashdotter here who is right on this? Can someone with an art degree make $50,000 a year fresh out of college with no experience??! Ha
We hire them at work for $12/hr to answer phones. Many are pissed off and end up being fired for no call no show as they somehow feel entitled to a job. Thankfully I make more but my point is major in what you love IS STUPID today. It is suicide unless it is in a high demand field and you already have years of experience and letters of recommendation from previous bosses from internships.
"Yes years of experience is what counts yada yada, but how do you get them?"
Apprenticeship and trades. Stop trying to take a short cut. your lazy 16 year old ass should have been in an apprenticeship program and you would have came out at age 21 with 5 years of experience as an electrician and making a LOT more than the dolts with a BA just graduating with $80K of debt.
FYI for the record I am not lazy and do make ok money thank you very much.
But my point was apprentice ships seem to be only for college kids. Not for Joe's working at 7-11 trying to better himself to a new life. So the point is if you go to school TAKE them.
Yes I would not be in the IT field if I did not have a degree as my 1st consulting gig. FYI they didn't care if it was IT the client demanded just a bachelors.
HR guy: "We need people who are 22 years old with an M.Sc. and 20 years of specific experience, and we can't find any."
C-level exec: "See, I told you we can't find qualified domestic hires and we need to ramp up the H-1B visas."
I know you meant this as silly but it really is hard to find people with specific skillsets in certain areas. A degree in CS won't give someome knowledge of a particular framework used by the company as an example. They need someone to come right in and work the 1st day and have a proven track record of holding onto a job for more than a year etc.
Yes years of experience is what counts yada yada, but how do you get them? A HS diploma won't mean much but what is your worth without even that or a GED? It is a rough world in 2015 for new grads compared to 2000 or any other time in US history. A degree in the right area, plus and I mean a big emphasis on plus internships + work experience. Even if you only work sorting files in a cabinet for HR one summer that means a letter of recommendation.
These 2 separate the students who move back in with their parents and work at Walmart and those who get a shot at a white collar entry level job in an office somewhere. Those that survive this then can move up and live a so called normal life from the previous generation.
So a right major in college is useful to gain that 1st experience in internships or temp agency work that seperates you from Joe Six pack who completed highschool with an IQ of 90 to the sea of resumes.
Seems like the biggest reason not to pick your career based on the economy is this: you'll probably won't like the job. So, instead of doing something you enjoy, you get to spend 50 years doing a job you hate.
Now, if you guessed right, maybe you'll hate your job, but at least make some money. But if you guessed wrong - you'll have huge student loans to pay, and a lifetime of misery, all because you' placed money above your happiness.
Beats no job at all and living with your parents when done.
Shoot. I graduated in 2009. 13/hrs was considered GOOD for recent graduates!
I was an older student who went to work 1st and went to college later and my HS classmates were class of 2000. Wow, what a change these younger millenials have no clue what life would be like if they were born 10 years earlier. If any reader graduated in 1970 - 2001 you know nothing what it is like to today and the kind of crappy jobs and low wages await someone with no experience here in 2015. For the younger slashdotters reading this did you know back in the good old days you could make up to $40,000 a year as en entry level salary? No really. You did not need 5 years experience and a major in the right area for an entry level job. You started at $40,000 if you had a degree in anything business. medical, or science related back then. Today these older folks say major in what you like?
For the older slashdotters it is 2015 and having a job you hate for 40 years is better than moving in with your parents and working at Walmart with your art degree while your phone rings from debt collectors wanting student loan repayment and threatening car repossessions. Which is where many if not half of new recent college grads end up shockingly. Of course graduating in 2009 was the worst in 70 years but it shocked me as my friends who made it big all started in 2000 and are now frankly much more successful as a result. Sigh.
I lucked out as I had a resume and even if I made less money after a degree as I put some career prospects on hold and HR only cares about experience and the degree today is worth toilet paper as you are a dime a dozen and you are marked for life if God forbid you majored in the wrong area or do not already have 3 - 5 years experience before entering the workforce complete with 3 professional references for that golden $40,000 a year job.
Oddly incompetent management will do the headache from 2000 to 2013 and spend 6 figures on consultants then say NEVER AGAIN will we upgrade for the sake of upgrading!
You're funny, the size of company that worries about PCI compliance is not the kind where most win 2003 is running.
if employer doesn't want to spend money, then it won't get done. IT people still need their jobs even if their employer is like that. Stop talking big, you're not going to cough up money to solve anyone's problem
I see so when shit hits the fan it will be on you! If you agree with this then you endorse it and are part of the problem. I would update my resume as it is a losing situation at this stage. Part of the job is selling to management.
Go to peacemaker benchmarks? Firefox uses less ram and cpu bloat. On my atom surface chrome is twice as slow and borderline unusable.
FYI you could... gulp use IE for your work sites? You won't continue your cpu with that filth of IE 6. IE 11 is bug free and us ok. Not awesome but usable and standards compliant now.
EDGE in Windows 10 will be the best browser from what I see so far so if you're willing to upgrade next year that may solve your problem
Get rich quick scheme didn't work out and now that they've been caught, they don't want to face the consequences.
Besides all the rants and angry cries about H1B1 Visas the market for any skilled coders IS HOT!
If you have any coding experience you can make $65,000 tomorrow! Sometimes without a college degree. Add 5 years and more buzzwords to your resume and a degree and you can start pulling close to 6 figures easily if your skills are up to the challenge.
So why take that risk? It is the argument that most drug dealers make less than minimum wage and live with their momma according to Freakeconomics. Seriously, it is the only hope to get ahead by taking that risk if that is all you know. But if you know how to break into systems, corporate security, coding, encryption, networking then you have the skills to get rich by working which is 0 risk.
I do not understand why someone would do this? Those that write these scare encyption malware are Russians who make much less than a western programmer.
Now let's all turn our thermostats up to 75 in the summer and down to 65 in the winter and start driving no faster than 55 MPH... (Excuse me, I mean 24C, 18C and 90K/h)
Which is why people had enough and voted for Reagan. The issue is clearly it would cost money and hassle for no benefit when at the time people were paying 90% of their income to the government. ENOUGH! Inflation back then was caused by high oil prices and a government doing everything it can to limit the money supply by debt and high taxation.
At least corporations care about the people unlike the government.
Corporations are made good by the free market so there is no incentive to take away your encryption. Infact corporations love encryption because they secure stuff.
Government on the otherhand interest is to invade peoples' lives and take away encryption.
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Because it works!
It comes with their computer. It was they use at work. Their documents do not look funny on other computers. It is stable (yes slashdotters it is not 1998 anymore as WIndows uses an NT kernel now), and most important RUNS ALL THEIR SOFTWARE. No WINE. No hacks, No clones of what they used on their work pcs.
Why would someone want to change? Why put up with xorg.conf files, drivers breaking after a release update, finding drivers, etc. I left linux a few years ago as my main OS and unless things have radically changed the lack of an ABI meant after a release update or 2 the distro would BREAK. ATI drivers would stop working etc.
So the answer is unless you run a server, do crazy development work in computer science or strange mathematical apis, then there is no reason to change. In 1998 Unix had the best development tools. In 2015 Vistual Studio 2015 has clang, java support, android SDK, typescript, and the same libraries.
Well truth be told to you and the grandparent here that Windows 7 is heading towards another WIndows XP. It is legacy now and in a short time will go EOL. Windows 7 won't be around forever.
Windows 10 is the last OS by Microsoft. Future versions will be MacOSX like 10.1, 10.2, etc.
I forced myself a few months ago to switch to Windows 8.1. Actually I found out I just did not like change mostly and didn't realize it. I put in a start menu replacement and modernMIX to make apps act like applications and found glass8. I have a surface now too which I am now getting comfortable without aero and the new flat look.
Windows 8.1 & 10 are less heavy and boot fast if you disable bios/CSM and go straight into uEFI. UEFI is wonderful! It just works and is very fast.
Cons: .1 release
- Windows 10 is not stable and in my opinion very beta quality as No QA team is left at Microsoft and were laid off
- They will be very frequent updates with only the pro version giving you the choise to skip every other update aka
So if anyone reading this is using Windows 7 I would think about switching ... next summer after bloodstone and 10.1 get released and the nasty bugs get fixed. The applets are pretty cool if they are not full screen and it is nice to have a book reader for my MCSE books and pandora or Netflix going. Under Windows 7 I needed a browser and a million tabs to sort. A pain.
I own a surface and as annoying as using this for my hotmail account it is really nice to have Office 365, Onedrive, favorites, and even desktop wallpapers and settings synced together. Even if you use Android you can gain the cloud functionality portion and MS office too!
MS doesn't track your daily activities. The purpose is to get you on Onedrive and it's cloud offerings. You are free to use it or not. I use it because it is included. I have a truecrypt container I put on it for important files encrypted to be on the safe side for my passwords file and tax returns etc.
Which is why this ain't touching my desktop nor surface.
If I weren't an IT professional expected to be up to date I would still be on 7 to which is Microsoft's best OS. It is NO WHERE NEAR ready for primetime! I do not even run it on a vm in my lab as a simple vlan change can so a BSOD and there are no rsat tools?? wth. Now I read your post and it makes sense.
Window 7 beta 1 circa 2008 was faaar more stable than 10 now near RTM.
I will wait for bloodstone update then next one next summer and then upgrade because it's my job. It still will be flaky I am sure but oh well. Like I said if I were in another industry I would hold onto 7 for dear life
Then my computer will have Windows 10??
Yep freebsd is fine here with 840 pros.
I find it hysterical that it must be the drives attitude on this heavily biased site towards linux.
According to usinflationcalculator.com $30,000 in 1998 = $43,545.83 in todays dollars.
Yep sounds accurate and that was during the .com boom too! If you are not in engineering could luck earning that today
"You started at $40,000 if you had a degree in anything business. medical, or science related back then."
Simply, bullshit.
I graduated from high school in 1986, college (u of mn) in 1990 with a degree in international relations, with minors in German, geography, and European area studies, all of which at the time were considered desirable (if non specific) subjects. Minimum wage at the time was, iirc $4.25/hr. I started my first career level job in international business (specifically logistics) at $20k. I was delighted to make more than my age around age 27-28?
To suggest that $40k jobs were falling like manna is just complete nonsense.
Yep
Ok according to http://www.usinflationcalculat... $20,000 in 1990 = $36,204.90
FYI inflation is not accurate anymore as it does not cover food, cost, insurance, and higher education costs! So in essence image in 1990 if $20,000 required 5 years of experience to top it off :-)
That my friend is what recent grads have to contend with plus $1,000 a month for a 1 room apartment in most metropolitan areas to top it off which is not counted in inflation
I was hired by an Indian outsourced (I am local) and they brought in a consultant who would like for references and made a fake resume for me. I quit in disgust!
The problem is when people do this shit HR will simply demand more on a resume and look for keywords in Taleo and rank them by score and filter out all the good people. Resume inflation was also an issue but it really did start in outsourcing companies.
You put an unrealistic demand and a million headhunters from Bangalore say my guys have 10 years of experience in HTML 5 and what are you going to do?
Not saying your guys did this per say? But it hurts natives too as management gets the impression $45,000 a year is the average for a senior developer who has 8 years experience in 5 dozen languages and will now consider no less.
THe worst is Taleo that HR uses. It was never designed to do HR's job but the salespeople mentioned hey do your HR stuff while my website does the recruiting for you etc. So it scans for keywords and only the top 5 ranks get emailed to the secretary for the interview ... all the ones from Bangalore with 10 years experience in HTML 5.
The average starting salary for CS graduates in 2014 is $60,000. Engineers are $62,000. The average business graduate is $54,000. So sorry, you are completely wrong.
Ok we are in a bubble right now for 1 major in particular. I was told by folks here to avoid IT as only Indians would do these jobs by now back in 2006.Most of you all were soo wrong.
I majored in business and yes only a few us had jobs that paid $13/hr - $16/hr.
I had experience so I could make just a little more less than 40% of what I used to make pre-Great Recession. Of course in 2015 the labor market is much better than this horrible one I was in back then.
Ask any young slashdotter here who is right on this? Can someone with an art degree make $50,000 a year fresh out of college with no experience??! Ha
We hire them at work for $12/hr to answer phones. Many are pissed off and end up being fired for no call no show as they somehow feel entitled to a job. Thankfully I make more but my point is major in what you love IS STUPID today. It is suicide unless it is in a high demand field and you already have years of experience and letters of recommendation from previous bosses from internships.
"Yes years of experience is what counts yada yada, but how do you get them?"
Apprenticeship and trades. Stop trying to take a short cut. your lazy 16 year old ass should have been in an apprenticeship program and you would have came out at age 21 with 5 years of experience as an electrician and making a LOT more than the dolts with a BA just graduating with $80K of debt.
FYI for the record I am not lazy and do make ok money thank you very much.
But my point was apprentice ships seem to be only for college kids. Not for Joe's working at 7-11 trying to better himself to a new life. So the point is if you go to school TAKE them.
Yes I would not be in the IT field if I did not have a degree as my 1st consulting gig. FYI they didn't care if it was IT the client demanded just a bachelors.
HR guy: "We need people who are 22 years old with an M.Sc. and 20 years of specific experience, and we can't find any."
C-level exec: "See, I told you we can't find qualified domestic hires and we need to ramp up the H-1B visas."
I know you meant this as silly but it really is hard to find people with specific skillsets in certain areas. A degree in CS won't give someome knowledge of a particular framework used by the company as an example. They need someone to come right in and work the 1st day and have a proven track record of holding onto a job for more than a year etc.
It does and does not in many ways.
Yes years of experience is what counts yada yada, but how do you get them? A HS diploma won't mean much but what is your worth without even that or a GED? It is a rough world in 2015 for new grads compared to 2000 or any other time in US history. A degree in the right area, plus and I mean a big emphasis on plus internships + work experience. Even if you only work sorting files in a cabinet for HR one summer that means a letter of recommendation.
These 2 separate the students who move back in with their parents and work at Walmart and those who get a shot at a white collar entry level job in an office somewhere. Those that survive this then can move up and live a so called normal life from the previous generation.
So a right major in college is useful to gain that 1st experience in internships or temp agency work that seperates you from Joe Six pack who completed highschool with an IQ of 90 to the sea of resumes.
Seems like the biggest reason not to pick your career based on the economy is this: you'll probably won't like the job. So, instead of doing something you enjoy, you get to spend 50 years doing a job you hate.
Now, if you guessed right, maybe you'll hate your job, but at least make some money. But if you guessed wrong - you'll have huge student loans to pay, and a lifetime of misery, all because you' placed money above your happiness.
Beats no job at all and living with your parents when done.
Shoot. I graduated in 2009. 13/hrs was considered GOOD for recent graduates!
I was an older student who went to work 1st and went to college later and my HS classmates were class of 2000. Wow, what a change these younger millenials have no clue what life would be like if they were born 10 years earlier. If any reader graduated in 1970 - 2001 you know nothing what it is like to today and the kind of crappy jobs and low wages await someone with no experience here in 2015. For the younger slashdotters reading this did you know back in the good old days you could make up to $40,000 a year as en entry level salary? No really. You did not need 5 years experience and a major in the right area for an entry level job. You started at $40,000 if you had a degree in anything business. medical, or science related back then. Today these older folks say major in what you like?
For the older slashdotters it is 2015 and having a job you hate for 40 years is better than moving in with your parents and working at Walmart with your art degree while your phone rings from debt collectors wanting student loan repayment and threatening car repossessions. Which is where many if not half of new recent college grads end up shockingly. Of course graduating in 2009 was the worst in 70 years but it shocked me as my friends who made it big all started in 2000 and are now frankly much more successful as a result. Sigh.
I lucked out as I had a resume and even if I made less money after a degree as I put some career prospects on hold and HR only cares about experience and the degree today is worth toilet paper as you are a dime a dozen and you are marked for life if God forbid you majored in the wrong area or do not already have 3 - 5 years experience before entering the workforce complete with 3 professional references for that golden $40,000 a year job.
He also studied at Tolkien at Oxford and corrected Jackson multiple times.
To top it off during return of the king Jackson asked him to imagine being stabbed to which his reply was I don't need to. Damn
Oddly incompetent management will do the headache from 2000 to 2013 and spend 6 figures on consultants then say NEVER AGAIN will we upgrade for the sake of upgrading!
Cycle repeats even worse :-)
Let me guess? They have updates turned off as anything after April 2010 breaks exchange?
Idiots
You could use a VM as no hardware will support your decade old box when shit hits the fan.
Capacitors last only so long.
Don't expect pci liability insurance either to cover if you're eol apps require 2003
You're funny, the size of company that worries about PCI compliance is not the kind where most win 2003 is running.
if employer doesn't want to spend money, then it won't get done. IT people still need their jobs even if their employer is like that. Stop talking big, you're not going to cough up money to solve anyone's problem
I see so when shit hits the fan it will be on you! If you agree with this then you endorse it and are part of the problem. I would update my resume as it is a losing situation at this stage. Part of the job is selling to management.
First, what kind of company doesn't have a budget set for lifetime for equipment?
Second, eol means more than just Windows Update. It me no liability insurance, Pci Compliance if you take credit cards, No drivers, etc.
Third, it means things like future versions of AD and software tools won't be compatible
Last XP had 2 big attacks where MS had to break EOL to fix one.
You are IT and are responsible for keeping your skill sets and employers equipment up to date.
More change for the sake of change
Don't believe me?
Go to peacemaker benchmarks? Firefox uses less ram and cpu bloat. On my atom surface chrome is twice as slow and borderline unusable.
FYI you could ... gulp use IE for your work sites? You won't continue your cpu with that filth of IE 6. IE 11 is bug free and us ok. Not awesome but usable and standards compliant now.
EDGE in Windows 10 will be the best browser from what I see so far so if you're willing to upgrade next year that may solve your problem
Get rich quick scheme didn't work out and now that they've been caught, they don't want to face the consequences.
Besides all the rants and angry cries about H1B1 Visas the market for any skilled coders IS HOT!
If you have any coding experience you can make $65,000 tomorrow! Sometimes without a college degree. Add 5 years and more buzzwords to your resume and a degree and you can start pulling close to 6 figures easily if your skills are up to the challenge.
So why take that risk? It is the argument that most drug dealers make less than minimum wage and live with their momma according to Freakeconomics. Seriously, it is the only hope to get ahead by taking that risk if that is all you know. But if you know how to break into systems, corporate security, coding, encryption, networking then you have the skills to get rich by working which is 0 risk.
I do not understand why someone would do this? Those that write these scare encyption malware are Russians who make much less than a western programmer.
Issue was money. The US is BIG
But Carter had just peanuts.... I know, I know...
Now let's all turn our thermostats up to 75 in the summer and down to 65 in the winter and start driving no faster than 55 MPH... (Excuse me, I mean 24C, 18C and 90K/h)
Which is why people had enough and voted for Reagan. The issue is clearly it would cost money and hassle for no benefit when at the time people were paying 90% of their income to the government. ENOUGH! Inflation back then was caused by high oil prices and a government doing everything it can to limit the money supply by debt and high taxation.
At least corporations care about the people unlike the government.
Corporations are made good by the free market so there is no incentive to take away your encryption. Infact corporations love encryption because they secure stuff.
Government on the otherhand interest is to invade peoples' lives and take away encryption.