Ah yes ribbon in explorer that take up precious pixels. Why is it on an i7 4770k the cpu usage spikes when you scroll up and down? Don't believe me? Open task manager and... oh that's right it doesn't support per logical cpu like 7 does so you can't tell if a single threaded app monopolies a core. Resource monitor for that.
You do a search and closed door syndrome start page pops up and it bings resource monitor instead of searches it like 7.
With 7 ms added frost around text in the title bar in darker colors. But that is too skuemorphic and unhip so let's make it blinding white or pastel only etc. Change for the sake of change
Windows 8 still has not approached the marketshare of even XP yet. Yes it is that bad. Of all win desktop marketshare Windows 7 is still not even declining yet and it is HUGE like over 60% of the whole market including all versions of Windows and Macs and Linux in there according to statcounter.com. Windows 7 was the default OS until just 2 - 2 1/2 years ago.
XP was kept alive well during the Vista years as Xp didn't even start to die until it was nearly 11 years old in 2011.
The difference is PC users rarely upgrade and MS makes few releases in between. They are trying to be all Apple like with a new release every year now. But 7 will be even more used than XP was by 2020 and will my guestimate by 40% of all Windows users unless MS does a drastic change. They will fight tooth and nail too not to leave
Using a 10 year old operating system is standard procedure in corporate IT and even most home users. Sounds bizaare for Mac users but the PC world is very complacent in comparison. Nothing wrong with that as it works
Windows 7 is the best OS ever made. It is still modern and I could list 30 defects in WIndows 8.1 It is a terrible unusable operating system that can't even stay up or be stable on a server grade Asus Sabertooth Mark II board. The UI is schizophrenic and suffers from closed door syndrome in almost everyway from UAC prompts which take away the background, to no aero to show the background. It is loaded with pastel nursery school colors. Even with a start menu program it is just awful and 10 will be even more flat and low color
Like refrigerators there is no reason to change until they break. Xp worked for over 12 years and operating systems are advanced enough to where like cars there is a diminishing return for each update. So they need to move things around and confuse people so the other one looks dated I guess is the new goal.
Oh Windows 8.1 let me count the ways compared to Windows 7
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7 is more stable, reliable, not designed for tablets, more compatible with apps, has aero, no dual personalities of metro and non metro apps (I had a grandma call me in frustration Skype looked funny and was missing things. She didn't understand there were 2 skypes with 8??), purple stripe notification center taking up vertical space, no backgrounds in UAC aka closed door syndrome, flat icons, high cpu usage in explorer, crippled task manager which can't show per cpu without a million clicks, and the list goes on and on...
The key thing here is that noone really wants to run Windows. They perhaps want to run Windows applications. It's all about the ecosystem. Everyone that puts up with Windows does so because of the positive feedback loop that's existed from the days of DOS. Everyone thinks it's the only option so it becomes the only option.
The troll is also ignoring the possibility that somoene might by Apple hardware for it's own sake and merely want to do whatever the HELL they want with their own personal property.
At one time I ran Linux on Macs. It made sense at the time. Apple's hardware was just another PC to me.
I want to run Windows. Windows 7 that is. It is gorgeous with aero, stable, supports.net, and there is no reason for me to change.
It sounds more like you're bitter that you are stuck with 6 year old hardware. 10.6.8 sucks, and XP was an abomination.
I bet you want $4 AAPL shares so you can actually afford to buy one.
What are you talking about Windows 7, XP, and Snow leopard are the best operating systems ever made back when software was good in 2009. Before low quality, agile release every week buggy, and flat low color became cool.
Win 7 is now the new XP as much as MS is trying to be asses about this (hence try to activate a Windows 7 machine to purchase a license and are redirected to a win OS designed for tablets) and paying BestBuy to destroy copies of 7 long before EOL to force people to use a tablet 8 version etc.
MS has a problem. Once they have a good thing they throw it away and start a new and then it takes years to fix. XP worked well. Vista I can see some reasons for a new platform but the new low color icons that look like Windows 2.0 and flat when 7 looked gorgeous doesn't make sense.
They won't be signed for Windows 7 and therefore won't load. Also I believe Apple uses ancient intel EFI not standard UEFI that is on modern boards. However, my information could be very outdated so someone can correct me if I am wrong as this was the case late last decade.
I can tell you many who called IE 10 with bugs too compared to other browsers with IE 11 being the first one which was ok. Some bugs were fixed only to come back in the next version.
IE 7 had more work arounds too even if fixed some of IE 6 you needed more hacks for that version too. JavaScript was something too. IE 7 was truly HORRIBLE. IE 6 was great in 2001. No browser including -webkit conqueror could pass the acid test. Netscape couldnt' either.
IE 7 and 8, 9, and even 10 just played catch up. IE 11 still does not have everything but at least unlike webkit implements more things like W3C properly.
At this point the IE brand is so tainted that it's basically an albatross around MS' neck.
Because Spartan is a long-overdue pruning of the Trident codebase (which has been gathering ugly cruft for 17 years) rather than a clean sheet rewrite, it'll still carry a slight IE odor no matter how much they cut out. Even the name Spartan is ripe for jokes about it's feature implementation.
Hey Mozilla had that pee smell of Netscape which was a buggy POS by version 5. So bad I used IE 6 in 2001:-)
Firefox in comparison was a pruning too. Spartan is the firefox of trident.
IE (across versions) has a larger share than Firefox now, right?
Firefox lost 1/3rd of its customer base in the (almost-) year following the ousting of Eich for being conservative, and is still losing share fast. It's almost like half of America is more conservative than average, or something.
Most people are not computer people. Today they care more about their damn phones than their pcs they rarely use these days accept to do taxes or something. So they have older software and hardware and change less often with their habits.
Firefox 4 was TERRIBLE. It has gotten better than worse again with 30 I think with aura. I no longer use it so I dunno. Chrome is big according to statcounter.com but less so in netmarketshare which overcounts Chinese by large numbers who use Baidu and not Google.
IE has improved tremendously. It is a usable browser. I kid not at version 11 and is standards complaint and fairly secure with low-rights mode sandboxing which Firefox still lacks
IE is A MUST for IT departments. I can manage settings via group policy objects on active directory for 10,000 users on the fly. Put the settings differently in different OU folders for security with just a drag and drop of a computer name. For example at work I have one folder called KIOSKS. It has GPO for IE to run fullscreen in kiosk mode. I drag the newly imaged pc to that folder and BAM done.
Firefox and Chrome can not do this... still??!
Want to call your mother and tell her how to open cmd.exe and use ftp to download Chrome then?
All these things require IE. FYI IE is not bad anymore. Not awesome, but IE 11 is a w3c standards compliant browser which implements some things like CSS 3 animations better than any browser. No you did not misread that. It may not have all the check lists of chrome but it has a low rights mode which firefox lacks for sandboxing too for security and even adblock plus has an add-on today. MS really has upped their game starting with IE 9 when Firefox ate them for breakfast.
As long as they learn their lesson and it is standards compliant I see no problem. With mobile MS can never monopolize again! Also IE 6 in 2001 was the least buggy and most standards compliant browser at the time. It just got old and Sun and IBM changed the implementations at the W3C to screw MS. It went to shit as Firefox and Safari changed too but IE was left behind etc.
I read www.Neowin.net which is the anti Linux pro WIndows version of Slashdot.org too:-)
Yes IE 11 is not bad. Not great but is standards compliant and does multimedia well and is decently secure and finally has adblock support. It most certainly is not IE 6... but it has legacy nastiness left ala Mozilla pre-firefox with nasty non compliant buggy Netscape code that was not purged.
Spartan will launch a site on an intranet with the other.dll for IE 11 for corporate apps or anything a user or administrator puts a GPO in active directory to white list a site in compability mode.
But MS proudly claims 3,000 bugs where workarounds were put in place since IE 9 have already been cleared. It is going to be a challenge for Chrome and Firefox as they now have crud from a half decade or more in.:-)
"It's still not as good as Windows 7...": now that is comment which worries me...
Why? Yes this is a pro linux site and somewhat anti MS too. But if your stuck running some business app or prefer to run Linux in a VM then what's so bad about windows 7?
To me it is the best version since 2000 and is gorgeous and macosx like
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Windows 10 has an adaptive UX framework to get around using css hacks
Right because I can buy any video card and driver made in the last 10 years and it will just work and always continue to work
As opposed to A I now that considers you a new person every15 seconds?
Very very annoying as my corporate policy is to lock my phone if I want access to their email. I unlock 4 to 5 times an hour!
Why opposed to this option?
Ah yes ribbon in explorer that take up precious pixels. Why is it on an i7 4770k the cpu usage spikes when you scroll up and down? Don't believe me? Open task manager and ... oh that's right it doesn't support per logical cpu like 7 does so you can't tell if a single threaded app monopolies a core. Resource monitor for that.
You do a search and closed door syndrome start page pops up and it bings resource monitor instead of searches it like 7.
With 7 ms added frost around text in the title bar in darker colors. But that is too skuemorphic and unhip so let's make it blinding white or pastel only etc. Change for the sake of change
Windows 8 still has not approached the marketshare of even XP yet. Yes it is that bad. Of all win desktop marketshare Windows 7 is still not even declining yet and it is HUGE like over 60% of the whole market including all versions of Windows and Macs and Linux in there according to statcounter.com. Windows 7 was the default OS until just 2 - 2 1/2 years ago.
XP was kept alive well during the Vista years as Xp didn't even start to die until it was nearly 11 years old in 2011.
The difference is PC users rarely upgrade and MS makes few releases in between. They are trying to be all Apple like with a new release every year now. But 7 will be even more used than XP was by 2020 and will my guestimate by 40% of all Windows users unless MS does a drastic change. They will fight tooth and nail too not to leave
Using a 10 year old operating system is standard procedure in corporate IT and even most home users. Sounds bizaare for Mac users but the PC world is very complacent in comparison. Nothing wrong with that as it works
Screw APPLE!
Windows 7 is the best OS ever made. It is still modern and I could list 30 defects in WIndows 8.1 It is a terrible unusable operating system that can't even stay up or be stable on a server grade Asus Sabertooth Mark II board. The UI is schizophrenic and suffers from closed door syndrome in almost everyway from UAC prompts which take away the background, to no aero to show the background. It is loaded with pastel nursery school colors. Even with a start menu program it is just awful and 10 will be even more flat and low color
Like refrigerators there is no reason to change until they break. Xp worked for over 12 years and operating systems are advanced enough to where like cars there is a diminishing return for each update. So they need to move things around and confuse people so the other one looks dated I guess is the new goal.
Oh Windows 8.1 let me count the ways compared to Windows 7
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7 is more stable, reliable, not designed for tablets, more compatible with apps, has aero, no dual personalities of metro and non metro apps (I had a grandma call me in frustration Skype looked funny and was missing things. She didn't understand there were 2 skypes with 8??), purple stripe notification center taking up vertical space, no backgrounds in UAC aka closed door syndrome, flat icons, high cpu usage in explorer, crippled task manager which can't show per cpu without a million clicks, and the list goes on and on ...
It is THE WORST OS EVER MADE
The key thing here is that noone really wants to run Windows. They perhaps want to run Windows applications. It's all about the ecosystem. Everyone that puts up with Windows does so because of the positive feedback loop that's existed from the days of DOS. Everyone thinks it's the only option so it becomes the only option.
The troll is also ignoring the possibility that somoene might by Apple hardware for it's own sake and merely want to do whatever the HELL they want with their own personal property.
At one time I ran Linux on Macs. It made sense at the time. Apple's hardware was just another PC to me.
I want to run Windows. Windows 7 that is. It is gorgeous with aero, stable, supports .net, and there is no reason for me to change.
It sounds more like you're bitter that you are stuck with 6 year old hardware. 10.6.8 sucks, and XP was an abomination.
I bet you want $4 AAPL shares so you can actually afford to buy one.
What are you talking about Windows 7, XP, and Snow leopard are the best operating systems ever made back when software was good in 2009. Before low quality, agile release every week buggy, and flat low color became cool.
Oh yah
Windows 10's icons all sooo modern and crisp compared to 7?
Regular Joes too!
Win 7 is now the new XP as much as MS is trying to be asses about this (hence try to activate a Windows 7 machine to purchase a license and are redirected to a win OS designed for tablets) and paying BestBuy to destroy copies of 7 long before EOL to force people to use a tablet 8 version etc.
MS has a problem. Once they have a good thing they throw it away and start a new and then it takes years to fix. XP worked well. Vista I can see some reasons for a new platform but the new low color icons that look like Windows 2.0 and flat when 7 looked gorgeous doesn't make sense.
The problem is the drivers.
They won't be signed for Windows 7 and therefore won't load. Also I believe Apple uses ancient intel EFI not standard UEFI that is on modern boards. However, my information could be very outdated so someone can correct me if I am wrong as this was the case late last decade.
Under 8 yes. 7 no as it is more classical skuemorphic design supports gradients and 3d and back shadows
One thing that infuriates me is everything HAS to go full screen and hide all in the name of anti skuemorphic design
I can tell you many who called IE 10 with bugs too compared to other browsers with IE 11 being the first one which was ok. Some bugs were fixed only to come back in the next version.
IE 7 had more work arounds too even if fixed some of IE 6 you needed more hacks for that version too. JavaScript was something too. IE 7 was truly HORRIBLE. IE 6 was great in 2001. No browser including -webkit conqueror could pass the acid test. Netscape couldnt' either.
IE 7 and 8, 9, and even 10 just played catch up. IE 11 still does not have everything but at least unlike webkit implements more things like W3C properly.
At this point the IE brand is so tainted that it's basically an albatross around MS' neck.
Because Spartan is a long-overdue pruning of the Trident codebase (which has been gathering ugly cruft for 17 years) rather than a clean sheet rewrite, it'll still carry a slight IE odor no matter how much they cut out. Even the name Spartan is ripe for jokes about it's feature implementation.
Hey Mozilla had that pee smell of Netscape which was a buggy POS by version 5. So bad I used IE 6 in 2001 :-)
Firefox in comparison was a pruning too. Spartan is the firefox of trident.
IE (across versions) has a larger share than Firefox now, right?
Firefox lost 1/3rd of its customer base in the (almost-) year following the ousting of Eich for being conservative, and is still losing share fast. It's almost like half of America is more conservative than average, or something.
Most people are not computer people. Today they care more about their damn phones than their pcs they rarely use these days accept to do taxes or something. So they have older software and hardware and change less often with their habits.
Firefox 4 was TERRIBLE. It has gotten better than worse again with 30 I think with aura. I no longer use it so I dunno. Chrome is big according to statcounter.com but less so in netmarketshare which overcounts Chinese by large numbers who use Baidu and not Google.
IE has improved tremendously. It is a usable browser. I kid not at version 11 and is standards complaint and fairly secure with low-rights mode sandboxing which Firefox still lacks
IE is A MUST for IT departments. I can manage settings via group policy objects on active directory for 10,000 users on the fly. Put the settings differently in different OU folders for security with just a drag and drop of a computer name. For example at work I have one folder called KIOSKS. It has GPO for IE to run fullscreen in kiosk mode. I drag the newly imaged pc to that folder and BAM done.
Firefox and Chrome can not do this ... still??!
Want to call your mother and tell her how to open cmd.exe and use ftp to download Chrome then?
All these things require IE. FYI IE is not bad anymore. Not awesome, but IE 11 is a w3c standards compliant browser which implements some things like CSS 3 animations better than any browser. No you did not misread that. It may not have all the check lists of chrome but it has a low rights mode which firefox lacks for sandboxing too for security and even adblock plus has an add-on today. MS really has upped their game starting with IE 9 when Firefox ate them for breakfast.
As long as they learn their lesson and it is standards compliant I see no problem. With mobile MS can never monopolize again! Also IE 6 in 2001 was the least buggy and most standards compliant browser at the time. It just got old and Sun and IBM changed the implementations at the W3C to screw MS. It went to shit as Firefox and Safari changed too but IE was left behind etc.
No he is real.
I read www.Neowin.net which is the anti Linux pro WIndows version of Slashdot.org too :-)
Yes IE 11 is not bad. Not great but is standards compliant and does multimedia well and is decently secure and finally has adblock support. It most certainly is not IE 6 ... but it has legacy nastiness left ala Mozilla pre-firefox with nasty non compliant buggy Netscape code that was not purged.
Spartan will launch a site on an intranet with the other .dll for IE 11 for corporate apps or anything a user or administrator puts a GPO in active directory to white list a site in compability mode.
But MS proudly claims 3,000 bugs where workarounds were put in place since IE 9 have already been cleared. It is going to be a challenge for Chrome and Firefox as they now have crud from a half decade or more in. :-)
Identical to win 7.
here
Google adblock? IE is now supported too and have it installed on my machine
Good thing gnome 3 wasnt based on webs or anything. Waiting on flat low color elements next
Problem is in Unix everything is a file. In Windows everything is an object.
"It's still not as good as Windows 7...": now that is comment which worries me...
Why? Yes this is a pro linux site and somewhat anti MS too. But if your stuck running some business app or prefer to run Linux in a VM then what's so bad about windows 7?
To me it is the best version since 2000 and is gorgeous and macosx like