Actually the odds of you becoming a multi millionaire are significant higher forming a startup.
There are 300 million people in the us. Statistics wise this means if every man, woman, and child bought a ticket 2 would win with these odds. Ask yourself how many self made millionaires are there? Lots!
And this was for Java5 back in the day a decade ago in college.
I am sure it is more complex and huge frameworks like hibernate are popular now. People do not have time to dwell into javadoc when they can prototype stuff fast or use a tool to generate some code for a UML app which does not use the full java apis.
With startupd, launchd, SMF, and SystemD you set the triggers for each event. No long scripts loaded with nested if/else statements galore or expensive proprietary software to mask this lack of functionality in init.
Okay, I'm always willing to learn, so please, give me a lesson. I set up a trigger for the event and the trigger does not fire. What do I do? In case of the "long script with nested if/else statements galore" I'm pretty sure what do I do there - put in some echo statements to verify the execution path. What do I do with systemd?
Outside of slashdot started last July I have yet to meet a SystemD hater.
It seems just here. But now that is fashionable we all ahte it because everyone else hates it.
Init is going away. Not just linux but all the unix platforms are switching to more event driven models. No one complained on here when Solaris switched to SMF. No one complained that Ubuntu abandoned init for Upstart. People thought Apple leaving init for Startup was cool and begged for linux to leave init too!... no really??'
No one complained about Fedora not using init. Then all of the sudden one comment set off a chain and it is INIT BEST EVER!!! Psychology did the rest and it is weird to say the least.
Not until last summer was SystemD ever a big deal.
One story had hate comments then it became cool to hate and then became a religion afterwards as slashdotters made up their minds.
Look? Sun, Apple, and Ubuntu have all left init behind years ago. No flames, no anger, and some comments here praising the effort as init (yes slashdotters init has issues) can't handle events. Example is a laptop falling asleep and waking up or let's say you want your apache server to do a set of actions if it is hacked or a redundant connection is down.
With startupd, launchd, SMF, and SystemD you set the triggers for each event. No long scripts loaded with nested if/else statements galore or expensive proprietary software to mask this lack of functionality in init.
The FUD is LOOK IT IS ROUTING packets??! BLOAT OMG! Really it is just passing arguments to network daemons. Or LOOK IT HAS binary LOGS PROPRIETARY?! This is a feature against root kits as guess what I would if I hacked your server? Gee alter the logs.
It is only 300k lines of code.
Not saying SystemD is great. Just saying this being the cause of the death of Linux and is equal to SCO is lunacy
Since IE 11 is end of life and so is the 2nd most popular browser IE 8 it will prevent adoption.
The saga of short sighted ceos not wanting to loose customers who run old operating systems kills innovation again as win 7 will continue to exist for a long time and with it IE 11 and 8 for corps with old apps
I am vocal because I want to develop software that I do not plan to give away but use internally for a startup idea. I also believe in the freedom of others to do the same.
If you are opposed to capitalism then I wont use your software. But, saying it is freedom and I can do whatever I want is disingenuous. I can't call my software I create an asset then as I have to give away IP if I want to go public or sell my company to someone else. This means just my office chair and cpu are the only assets now and I am essentially worthless.
I do not call this freedom. I am not into ripping off someone's code. I am just talking freaking linking. That means if I use printf once in my source code I need the whole thing GPL?? WTF. If it is LGPL (hardly any is as developers do not know the difference in general) then I can say different.
we needed free software. GNU got it off the ground and protected it long enough. Now we can have more freedom that that. We can have LLVM instead of GCC etc etc.
Not really.
BSD got it off the ground 1st with the Net/2 tapes of the early internet. If it were not for the 1993 lawsuit by AT&T we would be using FreeBSD probably. Xorg is not GNU. Apache is not GNU. Samba is not GNU. Gnu just remade all the BSD utilities. True there were crappy to non existent compilers for i386 in those days as Unix was for RISC and exotic architectures which is the opposite of today in terms of support.
GNU was considered superior due to the low quality and feature sets of alternatives in the late 1990s here on Slashdot with the exception of Solaris perhaps. Not true anymore as Windows just sucked due to back supported an OS for crippled early 1980s hobbyist micro computer hardware.
I do love free software and was attracted to the abundance of stuff in Linux in 1999. But times do change.
RMS has a philosophy that users of software should have certain freedoms / rights (use, study & modify, redistribute, distribute). That's the gist of GPL and why he founded GNU. BSD-style license does not guarantee these freedoms more likely it's simply easier not to guarantee those rights...
What rights do BSD contributors lose? All the community code exists, the community can continue without the commercial changes, the community is not required to use some commercial fork. They lose nothing if some contributor chooses not to give back. Furthermore, users of GPL'd code decide not to give back at times too. They can use some a commercial fork internally and benefit from community work and not give back. Also, various commercial users of BSD code have a pretty good track record of contributing back.
What rights do BSD users lose? **IF** they care about "free software" or access to the source code they can just avoid commercial/closed forks and stick to the community based code.
The GPL does *not* offer greater freedom, it creates restrictions to force behaviors it believes benevolent. Forced benevolence may or may not be a good thing but it is not freedom.
You know yesterday I was researching Milton Friedman on youtube. A very conservative and libertarian economist and a must see if any slashdotter is bored in his interview series as he gives arguments on rights of freedom, individuals, business, and government roles etc.
He advocated getting rid of 5 out of 8 federal departments. The first question was if you were king which would you.... and he said "Stop right there!" Who gives me the right to tell others? The argument went on saying what about your principles of free enterprise and economic benefits? He said if he can't get most people on board to vote for these changes then he is opposed by the principles of freedom even if I am right. He also mentioned what if I am wrong?
The point is freedom is maximized by a limited or non existent role set up by a framework. He calls this the free market capitalism where each other self interests does just that. He believes government should be functioning the same way or any other organization.
So RMS maybe right but he is wrong by enforcing his opinion on others if he truly believes in freedom. Milton would never follow through on his brilliance as freedom is the same in the markets or any organization applying it to others. RMS would argue corporations restrict such freedoms. But really his solution is worse than the problem. I will take Milton Friedmans stance on this by a limited framework where both users and developers do what they will as long as they do not oppose that will on others.
Commercial software in this sense restricted in a sense of the user is willing to pay for a product or service because if the users do not like it the market will produce a competitor. Something RMS does not understand in free market economics.
The point is that under GNU your labor will almost certainly be forced to be free as in "not paid"; that's the practical consequences of the license. Under BSD you don't have that problem at all.
Under the GPL, companies can collaborate in ways that are possible but less likely with BSD. With BSD, there is a strong incentive for an individual company to put out closed-source binaries with some extra "secret sauce" over and above the open-source versions. Think of it as a tragedy of the commons or prisoner's dilemma where there is a strong incentive to defect. Using the GPL, this isn't possible.
Instead, the GPL promotes collaborative projects. Look at the Linux kernel, which gets contributions from many, many companies.
Problem is lets say I do a startup for a social networking with cool instant message and stock quotes or something silly. I being the CEO let my programmers foolish pick whatever code they want and they told me GPL. Since we do not sell software we ARE SAFE. I say ok.
My website takes off and investors kick in and want me to sell and go public and EMC also offers me a ton of money to sell it to them if I choose instead. Oops under Sarbanes Oxley or any private transaction this counts as a sale for either.
JP Morgan flips out and so does EMC during an audit and tells me I have to give away millions of dollars of IP away?? EMC cancels the deal as competitors can now take it and a million clones overnight can compete without the cost EMC has to pay for a competitive advantage over them. Wall Street then says ok since I have no assets I therefore have no value. Not interested.
I get fired from the other owners of the company who then choose to liquidate it for pennies on the dollar is better than nothing.
I can't buy said software. Even if I did the owner can't sell me the rights to the software I linked and worked on as he put it under GPL and other peoples' rights would be violated.
My example is more extreme but give lawyers a real scare. Yes RMS hates commercial software and anything proprietary. We get it but this is like a little logic bomb for any developer wanting to make a living and it is bad for any company. They are not there to collaborate. They are there to make money and giving away IP is stupid as it cost money to produce and is therefore an asset. Might as well hand out money (another asset) while we are at it? So if you scream you ARE STEALING MY CODE will fine I wont use it. Just do not be butt hurt when corporations have an obligation to not use your products for the common good regardless of your intentions unless BSD or public domain.
The new Greek government wants to default and plans more borrowing?? Complete idiots! Ya I am sure after this banks are just all sooo lining the streets to pay. The voters are stupid as they elected a pm who basically told them what they wanted to hear. No taxes and now no need to work. What could possibly go wrong?
Sometimes I think the general public should not vote. The US constitution calls for Americans to vote for electors for president for this not. Not have an option for a direct candidate
He hasn't even been on the world wide Web yet because Xorg and any browser is not free enough. Never used a cell phone either etc.
In 2001 here there was a common belief on slashdot proprietary software would always be inferior and desktops would all be gnu by now. He still believes this.
Then gnu is proprietary and licensed. Fine I get it. Don't say it's free and say stealing like I steal from Microsoft if I use printf If I want to include. In this definition GNU is the most proprietary license out there.
What if a abiword and virtual box do not meet my needs. Would I be harming myself for purchasing VMWARE Workstation and Office2010 in return?
I am a user who not only is buying but willing to pay for proprietary software. RMS would think I am crazy but I would argue my own self interests are better served investing in better tools for productivity more than the rights for me to get something for free and hack the complicated source code.
It is open source? You can do whatever you wish. If you want to include it then you can. You want to contribute? You can as well.
Many gnu folks mod me down or get mad when I point out that just linking gun code means I can't use it at work. It is viral as the gpl is very strict and anti freedom. Most say just don't steal my work? I am just saying even linking is forbidden so WTF?
Yes that is less free than BSD where people do as they wish.
The rights of the user always triumphs the rights of the developer.
But in this case the user and developer are one. With even Microsoft supporting clang, Android, and Linux development in the latest visual studio alphas it is now emacs that is becoming the most proprietary with locking in. What a bizarre universe this is becoming
Turnkey is like an appliance. You turn it on and it works. The setup only requires IP addresses and passwords. I have 3 VMs now with it ony host desktop in vmware workstation. It is a God send with mysql admin and php built in.
Which is why VirtualBox and vmware workstation exist. It is outrageous to use this just for, quirks in a browser, but webkit and safari have bugs too compared to old IE in this day and age.
Vmware workstation is worth every penny for any IT professional
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Actually the odds of you becoming a multi millionaire are significant higher forming a startup.
There are 300 million people in the us. Statistics wise this means if every man, woman, and child bought a ticket 2 would win with these odds. Ask yourself how many self made millionaires are there? Lots!
Yeah until you are 60 and too old to work and can't ever retire as your landlord forces you to work forcing you to be a Walmart greeter
And this was for Java5 back in the day a decade ago in college.
I am sure it is more complex and huge frameworks like hibernate are popular now. People do not have time to dwell into javadoc when they can prototype stuff fast or use a tool to generate some code for a UML app which does not use the full java apis.
This is not 2008 anymore.
Even IE 8 no really IE 8 has sandboxing and processes per tab starting with Windows 7 back in 2009??!
Until then Firefox is too insecure for me and can't scale my hyperthreaded i7 like IE or Chrome can.
Mozilla adding signing really does help but only those who are dumb and put in any extension without reviewing it at first.
Okay, I'm always willing to learn, so please, give me a lesson. I set up a trigger for the event and the trigger does not fire. What do I do? In case of the "long script with nested if/else statements galore" I'm pretty sure what do I do there - put in some echo statements to verify the execution path. What do I do with systemd?
An event will log it. No need for echo paths.
A very basic schematic on how it works is here.
Outside of slashdot started last July I have yet to meet a SystemD hater.
It seems just here. But now that is fashionable we all ahte it because everyone else hates it.
Init is going away. Not just linux but all the unix platforms are switching to more event driven models. No one complained on here when Solaris switched to SMF. No one complained that Ubuntu abandoned init for Upstart. People thought Apple leaving init for Startup was cool and begged for linux to leave init too! ... no really??'
No one complained about Fedora not using init. Then all of the sudden one comment set off a chain and it is INIT BEST EVER!!! Psychology did the rest and it is weird to say the least.
It is only 300, 000 lines of code.
Sun, Apple, and Ubuntu left init for good reasons. No problems as it wasn't hip to hate yet.
Not until last summer was SystemD ever a big deal.
One story had hate comments then it became cool to hate and then became a religion afterwards as slashdotters made up their minds.
Look? Sun, Apple, and Ubuntu have all left init behind years ago. No flames, no anger, and some comments here praising the effort as init (yes slashdotters init has issues) can't handle events. Example is a laptop falling asleep and waking up or let's say you want your apache server to do a set of actions if it is hacked or a redundant connection is down.
With startupd, launchd, SMF, and SystemD you set the triggers for each event. No long scripts loaded with nested if/else statements galore or expensive proprietary software to mask this lack of functionality in init.
The FUD is LOOK IT IS ROUTING packets??! BLOAT OMG! Really it is just passing arguments to network daemons. Or LOOK IT HAS binary LOGS PROPRIETARY?! This is a feature against root kits as guess what I would if I hacked your server? Gee alter the logs.
It is only 300k lines of code.
Not saying SystemD is great. Just saying this being the cause of the death of Linux and is equal to SCO is lunacy
Since IE 11 is end of life and so is the 2nd most popular browser IE 8 it will prevent adoption.
The saga of short sighted ceos not wanting to loose customers who run old operating systems kills innovation again as win 7 will continue to exist for a long time and with it IE 11 and 8 for corps with old apps
I am vocal because I want to develop software that I do not plan to give away but use internally for a startup idea. I also believe in the freedom of others to do the same.
If you are opposed to capitalism then I wont use your software. But, saying it is freedom and I can do whatever I want is disingenuous. I can't call my software I create an asset then as I have to give away IP if I want to go public or sell my company to someone else. This means just my office chair and cpu are the only assets now and I am essentially worthless.
I do not call this freedom. I am not into ripping off someone's code. I am just talking freaking linking. That means if I use printf once in my source code I need the whole thing GPL?? WTF. If it is LGPL (hardly any is as developers do not know the difference in general) then I can say different.
It also comes to show that the developers do not know the difference between GPL and LGPL. Even java has a gnu class path exception for this reason.
we needed free software. GNU got it off the ground and protected it long enough. Now we can have more freedom that that. We can have LLVM instead of GCC etc etc.
Not really.
BSD got it off the ground 1st with the Net/2 tapes of the early internet. If it were not for the 1993 lawsuit by AT&T we would be using FreeBSD probably. Xorg is not GNU. Apache is not GNU. Samba is not GNU. Gnu just remade all the BSD utilities. True there were crappy to non existent compilers for i386 in those days as Unix was for RISC and exotic architectures which is the opposite of today in terms of support.
GNU was considered superior due to the low quality and feature sets of alternatives in the late 1990s here on Slashdot with the exception of Solaris perhaps. Not true anymore as Windows just sucked due to back supported an OS for crippled early 1980s hobbyist micro computer hardware.
I do love free software and was attracted to the abundance of stuff in Linux in 1999. But times do change.
RMS has a philosophy that users of software should have certain freedoms / rights (use, study & modify, redistribute, distribute). That's the gist of GPL and why he founded GNU. BSD-style license does not guarantee these freedoms more likely it's simply easier not to guarantee those rights ...
What rights do BSD contributors lose? All the community code exists, the community can continue without the commercial changes, the community is not required to use some commercial fork. They lose nothing if some contributor chooses not to give back. Furthermore, users of GPL'd code decide not to give back at times too. They can use some a commercial fork internally and benefit from community work and not give back. Also, various commercial users of BSD code have a pretty good track record of contributing back.
What rights do BSD users lose? **IF** they care about "free software" or access to the source code they can just avoid commercial/closed forks and stick to the community based code.
The GPL does *not* offer greater freedom, it creates restrictions to force behaviors it believes benevolent. Forced benevolence may or may not be a good thing but it is not freedom.
You know yesterday I was researching Milton Friedman on youtube. A very conservative and libertarian economist and a must see if any slashdotter is bored in his interview series as he gives arguments on rights of freedom, individuals, business, and government roles etc.
He advocated getting rid of 5 out of 8 federal departments. The first question was if you were king which would you .... and he said "Stop right there!" Who gives me the right to tell others? The argument went on saying what about your principles of free enterprise and economic benefits? He said if he can't get most people on board to vote for these changes then he is opposed by the principles of freedom even if I am right. He also mentioned what if I am wrong?
The point is freedom is maximized by a limited or non existent role set up by a framework. He calls this the free market capitalism where each other self interests does just that. He believes government should be functioning the same way or any other organization.
So RMS maybe right but he is wrong by enforcing his opinion on others if he truly believes in freedom. Milton would never follow through on his brilliance as freedom is the same in the markets or any organization applying it to others. RMS would argue corporations restrict such freedoms. But really his solution is worse than the problem. I will take Milton Friedmans stance on this by a limited framework where both users and developers do what they will as long as they do not oppose that will on others.
Commercial software in this sense restricted in a sense of the user is willing to pay for a product or service because if the users do not like it the market will produce a competitor. Something RMS does not understand in free market economics.
He has the freedom to throw a tantrum. You, and everyone else, also have the freedom to distribute a version of Emacs with LLVM support.
... coming soon GPL v4.
Clause IV "...any code GPLv4 may not include, link, or run on any non GPLv4."
But serisouly GPLv3 started because of his tantrum with Tivio. It would not surprise me if he did a version 4 if clang takes over.
I think not.
Under the GPL, companies can collaborate in ways that are possible but less likely with BSD. With BSD, there is a strong incentive for an individual company to put out closed-source binaries with some extra "secret sauce" over and above the open-source versions. Think of it as a tragedy of the commons or prisoner's dilemma where there is a strong incentive to defect. Using the GPL, this isn't possible.
Instead, the GPL promotes collaborative projects. Look at the Linux kernel, which gets contributions from many, many companies.
Problem is lets say I do a startup for a social networking with cool instant message and stock quotes or something silly. I being the CEO let my programmers foolish pick whatever code they want and they told me GPL. Since we do not sell software we ARE SAFE. I say ok.
My website takes off and investors kick in and want me to sell and go public and EMC also offers me a ton of money to sell it to them if I choose instead. Oops under Sarbanes Oxley or any private transaction this counts as a sale for either.
JP Morgan flips out and so does EMC during an audit and tells me I have to give away millions of dollars of IP away?? EMC cancels the deal as competitors can now take it and a million clones overnight can compete without the cost EMC has to pay for a competitive advantage over them. Wall Street then says ok since I have no assets I therefore have no value. Not interested.
I get fired from the other owners of the company who then choose to liquidate it for pennies on the dollar is better than nothing.
I can't buy said software. Even if I did the owner can't sell me the rights to the software I linked and worked on as he put it under GPL and other peoples' rights would be violated.
My example is more extreme but give lawyers a real scare. Yes RMS hates commercial software and anything proprietary. We get it but this is like a little logic bomb for any developer wanting to make a living and it is bad for any company. They are not there to collaborate. They are there to make money and giving away IP is stupid as it cost money to produce and is therefore an asset. Might as well hand out money (another asset) while we are at it? So if you scream you ARE STEALING MY CODE will fine I wont use it. Just do not be butt hurt when corporations have an obligation to not use your products for the common good regardless of your intentions unless BSD or public domain.
You also can't pay for electricity and food for people when you do not have money either and now no one will lend you any as you're a defaulter.
The new Greek government wants to default and plans more borrowing?? Complete idiots! Ya I am sure after this banks are just all sooo lining the streets to pay. The voters are stupid as they elected a pm who basically told them what they wanted to hear. No taxes and now no need to work. What could possibly go wrong?
Sometimes I think the general public should not vote. The US constitution calls for Americans to vote for electors for president for this not. Not have an option for a direct candidate
He hasn't even been on the world wide Web yet because Xorg and any browser is not free enough. Never used a cell phone either etc.
In 2001 here there was a common belief on slashdot proprietary software would always be inferior and desktops would all be gnu by now. He still believes this.
Then gnu is proprietary and licensed. Fine I get it. Don't say it's free and say stealing like I steal from Microsoft if I use printf If I want to include. In this definition GNU is the most proprietary license out there.
What if a abiword and virtual box do not meet my needs. Would I be harming myself for purchasing VMWARE Workstation and Office2010 in return?
I am a user who not only is buying but willing to pay for proprietary software. RMS would think I am crazy but I would argue my own self interests are better served investing in better tools for productivity more than the rights for me to get something for free and hack the complicated source code.
How?
It is open source? You can do whatever you wish. If you want to include it then you can. You want to contribute? You can as well.
Many gnu folks mod me down or get mad when I point out that just linking gun code means I can't use it at work. It is viral as the gpl is very strict and anti freedom. Most say just don't steal my work? I am just saying even linking is forbidden so WTF?
Yes that is less free than BSD where people do as they wish.
The rights of the user always triumphs the rights of the developer.
But in this case the user and developer are one. With even Microsoft supporting clang, Android, and Linux development in the latest visual studio alphas it is now emacs that is becoming the most proprietary with locking in. What a bizarre universe this is becoming
Turnkey is like an appliance. You turn it on and it works. The setup only requires IP addresses and passwords. I have 3 VMs now with it ony host desktop in vmware workstation. It is a God send with mysql admin and php built in.
Which is why VirtualBox and vmware workstation exist. It is outrageous to use this just for, quirks in a browser, but webkit and safari have bugs too compared to old IE in this day and age.
Vmware workstation is worth every penny for any IT professional