Do you have the numbers on that? I can't find them and assumed the ARMs had better power consumption but at the cost of CPU which is fine for servers.
Unless of course these ARM ones are powerful? Jaguar is the atom competitior and recent reviews of the fastest ARMs in the latest iPhone put it in the same league as the pentiumIV and AthlonXPs of a decade ago which means it is catching up.
Microsoft supports Windows, IIS, SQL Server, and Exchange on ARM. Linux and its FOSS supports ARM as well. I believe RHES has an openJDK for java apps to run on ARM servers too.
Besides a few niche apps I really do not see the application compatibility problem.
It is not like these are used to run win32 desktop apps.
Notice you can't have a query use more than 1 cpu or core? Sure you can scale your app by assigning each query to each core/cpu it is still inefficient compared to Oracle of course.
The bottleneck for servers is I/O, thread management, and SQL queries.
Not FPU or integer number crunching. Which is why Java is more popular than ever in the server room even if it is dying in the browser. Also it is why Solaris refuses to die because it can handle threads in hardware which wont become non responsive when overloaded unlike x86.
The question for me is how much money in power do these cut over traditional x86. Also if you look up the MIPS ont he atom processors they are really really slow as in 2002 AthlonXP +1600 era performance. While cpu is less important in a server, this might be too much of a cut to use an atom based server instead.
Sadly until breaches like this occur the more MBAs will listen to those annoying cost centers and view them with value and listen. Reason they are on internet is because the suits said so and the accountants whined about having real time access.
Maybe if congress is involved they can make regulation requiring secure operating systems with ASLR which scramble ram. Windows 7 and MacOSX have it and I think can support it via a patch with 3.0 or higher. Crosses fingers for redhat 7.Also POS equipment is SUPPOSED to be upgraded every 2 to 3 years just like browsers. Guess who says NO? The MBAs who feel if it ain't broke don't fix it. Here here for insurance companies forcing them to follow manufacture requirements
Until they stop making children learn that Hitler believes in evolution in school textbooks and teach creationism by the side I will vote democrat.
I know I probably angered a few moderators with my comment but I worry when someone who has power to change lives does not have critical thinking skills or has them but sells out so easily.
Yeah yeah I know the replies YA HOW ARE THOSE TAX HIKES LIBERAL and DEMOCRATS JUST AS BAD... but at least they will not lie to children, believe the world is more than 5,000 years old, greenhouse gas is real, starving people is good because they non human for not having white colar jobs and money should go to a military instead etc.
Yes my post is political before anyone mods me down, but so was the parent.
As a science geek I have a real problem voting anyone not democratic as the alternative have some problems. The texas biology book case is one of them and yes, it does state Hitler also believed in evolution. So now the kids will be calling other kids nazis in the school cafeteria for believing in evolution. How horrible.
I like to think of it as, why are you doing FREE work for a proprietary company that has no obligation to you other than to possibly hide your name at the bottom of a long list of credits buried in the help menu? This is what the BSD license allows.
If they aren't going to pay me, then I want them to have to contribute back anything they do with my software, which is what GPL requires. THAT is their way of paying me for my time -- that down the road I can save some time by getting help back from them. And not just me, but the entire community gets that help.
If you are ok with that, then who am I to judge? But I don't think it is as simple as "anything other than his way is bad" -- it is more of a question of, does it bother you to do free work for people, or do you not care just because you think its cool? RMS's concern is that it bothers him to put effort in to let lazy people take it with absolutely no acknowledgement and pay, and even worse, prevent you from doing what you want with THEIR copy of your work! It needs to be a 2-way street.
Your opinion would change drastically when you want to start a business.
Now you can't make money period! All the nice frameworks you know are GPL. You can't link them because then you must give away your work for free with no cost to potential competitors all because RMS doesn't believe in the right for you to make money other than support?! How is that fair?
This is not taking gimp and selling it. It is just using a data entity framework in php that you can't link to. Want some investors to fund your company? They will see GPL and freak. Why? They can't see the asset as that technically counts as a distribution. Your company value goes down next to nothing and so does your income in disproportionate to the risk going up.
What if you pay taxes as a business and yet can't use that tax payer funded code? That is what BSD is about since everyone who pays gets it back.
In essence when you want a paycheck for your employer even as an employee that is all closed source. Closed source = income. Property rights is what gives rise to business and no business can exist without them.
Users can not make money or use any GPL code or link to it in their programs without giving it away for free.
For example if I write a hello world program in C++ and iostream.h is GPL. Then hello world can't be released unless it also is GPL. See the problem?
The BSD means I can make it free, use it, sell it, modify it, or do whatever the hell I want with it. Lets say I make my own website but have some.NET framework or PHP that is released as GPL because the developers are too dumb to know the difference between LGPL and GPL can I use it?
Nope I have to give away my hard work as my company can not be sold due to the assets being GPL and therefore must be given away to a competitor. I seriously do not mean this as flamebait as many have a personal interest here in GPL but that is a problem. Investors like proprietary things because they add value and a competitor 10x bigger can not take it and steal the thunder away. If I sell the company or have investors who have a part in it well I guess that qualifies as a redistribution which means I most make all changes and throw all that expensive work out on the street.
But in education and medicine, institutional rules over IP forbid many people I know of from even linking to a GPL'd library. For us, if it's GPL'd then it is off limits.
But isn't that why libraries are (or should) be licensed under the LGPL, so that there are no "viral" issues? You're not even allowed to link to an LGPL library?
The problem is 90% of software developers do not know the difference between LGPL and GPL. It pisses me off when they groan... but but why didn't you use my api? I can't. Your license dictates that I can't earn a living off it nor can my employer.
Sorry I am not redhat and can't charge for support. It is stupid. Sure you ahve the right as a developer but really so and I mean sooo many apis are GPL and not LGPL that the authors do a diservice without even realizing it.
I would consider using it if it had more plugin support and if website makers still didn't feed IE 6 specific jscript code to it. IE 11 fixed this by ignoring jscript and only supporting ECMA compliant javascript. This broke corporate apps of course reliant on ancient IE behavior.
Slashdot thanks it with a headline "IE BREAKS MORE SITES AGAIN" and the crowd hounds it for non standard behavior LOL. Even though making it act like Chrome and Firefox is what caused this.
But you can get adblock plus for it now and it scores fairly well in HTML 5 compliance tests with up to 90% of Firefox's features. It has the lowest cpu utilization and like Chrome is secure with low-rights and sandboxing which Firefox still frustratingly lacks.
But man like your post says MS created a lot of badwill from first forcing IE 6 on every computer back in the day agaisn't Netscape (another shitty browser too which was not W3C compliant), and MS let IE 6 rot for years and years and years to the point where our places of work were stuck with it for years longer.
If you put a gun to my head and forced me to use it for hte rest of my life I certainly could at this point without wanting to risk taking the bullet instead.:-)
All of these type services should do this, it's one way scammers get access to clueless user's computers.
"This is Microsoft Support. Your computer has virus, and we need to access it. Please log into this site with this ID."
Total BS.
Scammers use the Internet too! Ban it! Please...
Actually a very real problem! Arstechnica.com posted a story where in software reviews on amazon these guys got 0 stars with "They are SCAM ARTISTS SHAME ON YOU logmein!!?" etc
After seeing these reviews would you buy it? Or pay for DMWare instead?
The sole reason they are not free is because of granny's not knowing the difference between a product and a company filling better business bureau and writing negative reviews. AV ones got hit too saying avast called and wanted $150 am hour to fix x.
Some people have a HUGE problem with its collection and storage by greedy, sleazy, single minded corporations.
Greedy, yes. Sleazy... maybe, highly probable. Single minded? In Google's case, I doubt it: they are a too intelligent bunch.
Yep they will pay the Russian mob under the table to do it illegal through a subsidiary that funnels the money back to Google corporate. American companies do this all the time for tax evasion and patent lawsuits. They sign a contract that they wont sue anymore for a settlement for additional patents. The patent troll then looks at the patents and opens up a secret shell subsidiary and sues under that for the rest etc.
The ad companies will cry foul and make websites give messages saying how the evil socialist EU regime is taking this website away. Please email X to tell them to reverse this law etc.
Since they are injecting Chrome with malware and adware through buying extensions and now circumventing adblock plus and making javascript fail to load if they detect blockers I would not put this past them.
It is really nice that the recent Linux distros have them.
It is a pain in the butt on FreeBSD to manually switch compilers and hack/etc files and then do a manual compile to get them to work in VMWare workstation 10 in comparison.
If he is not specifically working at home but needs to learn it, well good luck with that.
Just put the money down and tell yourself it is an important investment. A now n hardware accelerated dual core can't run the several VMs required. But the return means steady employment.
You can get 16 gigs of ram, AMD 6 core, and ssd system for $800. Virtualbox is free until first paycheck where VMware is better. Sounds like the wife is holding the purse strings or he was unemployed for awhile. Credit card time and pay it off in 3 months. Sorry but things cost money and he and the misses need to suck it up. A dual core tablet won't do what is needed.
For web work virtualization is required as freaking office!? Clients love IE 6 support and whine about your code if an ancient IE rendering bug pops out.
You need IE 6,7,8,9, and w3c compliant browsers all up. You may need node.js to test something that can conflict with Apache? Problem solved create another VM and don't mess with the other one. Need a domain setup like work to test app? Create a server and client to test etc. I would even go as far as saying no real professional would not use them.
Now in terms of your computer and conversation with the misses. Get a new one. It is pennywise and dollar dumb without one. It is an asset and not an expense. VMWare is not kind for anything under 4 cores and 8 gigs of ram without an ssd. Well ok maybe 1 vm but you will be using many ancient versions of IE and web servers. Get an AMD as for 1/3 the cost has 6 cores with hardware virtualization that only icore7s have. For the moderators, I am not proselytizing AMD as a fan boy but rather had to get it as 1st Gen icore5's did not support virtualization in the bios.
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Do you have the numbers on that? I can't find them and assumed the ARMs had better power consumption but at the cost of CPU which is fine for servers.
Unless of course these ARM ones are powerful? Jaguar is the atom competitior and recent reviews of the fastest ARMs in the latest iPhone put it in the same league as the pentiumIV and AthlonXPs of a decade ago which means it is catching up.
Microsoft supports Windows, IIS, SQL Server, and Exchange on ARM. Linux and its FOSS supports ARM as well. I believe RHES has an openJDK for java apps to run on ARM servers too.
Besides a few niche apps I really do not see the application compatibility problem.
It is not like these are used to run win32 desktop apps.
PostGresSQL is already neutered thanks to Oracle.
Notice you can't have a query use more than 1 cpu or core? Sure you can scale your app by assigning each query to each core/cpu it is still inefficient compared to Oracle of course.
Aren't software patents lovely?
Most serve code can just be recompiled and it just works. Even that is not required it are are running a Linux distro.
Linux magically enables you to run x86 binaries on ARM hardware without recompiling the code? Wow!
Most business apps are written in Java or are multiplatform unlike desktops.
I swear we all should hate Oracle more than MS or any other company out there. They are the next trolls of the IT industry since SCO lost.
The bottleneck for servers is I/O, thread management, and SQL queries.
Not FPU or integer number crunching. Which is why Java is more popular than ever in the server room even if it is dying in the browser. Also it is why Solaris refuses to die because it can handle threads in hardware which wont become non responsive when overloaded unlike x86.
The question for me is how much money in power do these cut over traditional x86. Also if you look up the MIPS ont he atom processors they are really really slow as in 2002 AthlonXP +1600 era performance. While cpu is less important in a server, this might be too much of a cut to use an atom based server instead.
Always more fun to read about EVE than it was to play it.
Funny I feel this way about Star Wars the Old Republic after watching and reading the storyline which I find really good.
Sadly until breaches like this occur the more MBAs will listen to those annoying cost centers and view them with value and listen. Reason they are on internet is because the suits said so and the accountants whined about having real time access.
Maybe if congress is involved they can make regulation requiring secure operating systems with ASLR which scramble ram. Windows 7 and MacOSX have it and I think can support it via a patch with 3.0 or higher. Crosses fingers for redhat 7.Also POS equipment is SUPPOSED to be upgraded every 2 to 3 years just like browsers. Guess who says NO? The MBAs who feel if it ain't broke don't fix it. Here here for insurance companies forcing them to follow manufacture requirements
Until they stop making children learn that Hitler believes in evolution in school textbooks and teach creationism by the side I will vote democrat.
I know I probably angered a few moderators with my comment but I worry when someone who has power to change lives does not have critical thinking skills or has them but sells out so easily.
Yeah yeah I know the replies YA HOW ARE THOSE TAX HIKES LIBERAL and DEMOCRATS JUST AS BAD... but at least they will not lie to children, believe the world is more than 5,000 years old, greenhouse gas is real, starving people is good because they non human for not having white colar jobs and money should go to a military instead etc.
Yes my post is political before anyone mods me down, but so was the parent.
As a science geek I have a real problem voting anyone not democratic as the alternative have some problems. The texas biology book case is one of them and yes, it does state Hitler also believed in evolution. So now the kids will be calling other kids nazis in the school cafeteria for believing in evolution. How horrible.
He is agaisn't it.
Go google "Told you so" when the creators of bitkeeper told Linus to stop letting those use their software?
RMS and others grinned that those who use proprietary software should be punished for this. Meanwhile a flamewar developed on slashdot over this.
So they are LGPL.
How about everything else in sourceforge?
I like to think of it as, why are you doing FREE work for a proprietary company that has no obligation to you other than to possibly hide your name at the bottom of a long list of credits buried in the help menu? This is what the BSD license allows.
If they aren't going to pay me, then I want them to have to contribute back anything they do with my software, which is what GPL requires. THAT is their way of paying me for my time -- that down the road I can save some time by getting help back from them. And not just me, but the entire community gets that help.
If you are ok with that, then who am I to judge? But I don't think it is as simple as "anything other than his way is bad" -- it is more of a question of, does it bother you to do free work for people, or do you not care just because you think its cool? RMS's concern is that it bothers him to put effort in to let lazy people take it with absolutely no acknowledgement and pay, and even worse, prevent you from doing what you want with THEIR copy of your work! It needs to be a 2-way street.
Your opinion would change drastically when you want to start a business.
Now you can't make money period! All the nice frameworks you know are GPL. You can't link them because then you must give away your work for free with no cost to potential competitors all because RMS doesn't believe in the right for you to make money other than support?! How is that fair?
This is not taking gimp and selling it. It is just using a data entity framework in php that you can't link to. Want some investors to fund your company? They will see GPL and freak. Why? They can't see the asset as that technically counts as a distribution. Your company value goes down next to nothing and so does your income in disproportionate to the risk going up.
What if you pay taxes as a business and yet can't use that tax payer funded code? That is what BSD is about since everyone who pays gets it back.
In essence when you want a paycheck for your employer even as an employee that is all closed source. Closed source = income. Property rights is what gives rise to business and no business can exist without them.
Not true.
Users can not make money or use any GPL code or link to it in their programs without giving it away for free.
For example if I write a hello world program in C++ and iostream.h is GPL. Then hello world can't be released unless it also is GPL. See the problem?
The BSD means I can make it free, use it, sell it, modify it, or do whatever the hell I want with it. Lets say I make my own website but have some .NET framework or PHP that is released as GPL because the developers are too dumb to know the difference between LGPL and GPL can I use it?
Nope I have to give away my hard work as my company can not be sold due to the assets being GPL and therefore must be given away to a competitor. I seriously do not mean this as flamebait as many have a personal interest here in GPL but that is a problem. Investors like proprietary things because they add value and a competitor 10x bigger can not take it and steal the thunder away. If I sell the company or have investors who have a part in it well I guess that qualifies as a redistribution which means I most make all changes and throw all that expensive work out on the street.
But in education and medicine, institutional rules over IP forbid many people I know of from even linking to a GPL'd library. For us, if it's GPL'd then it is off limits.
But isn't that why libraries are (or should) be licensed under the LGPL, so that there are no "viral" issues? You're not even allowed to link to an LGPL library?
The problem is 90% of software developers do not know the difference between LGPL and GPL. It pisses me off when they groan ... but but why didn't you use my api? I can't. Your license dictates that I can't earn a living off it nor can my employer.
Sorry I am not redhat and can't charge for support. It is stupid. Sure you ahve the right as a developer but really so and I mean sooo many apis are GPL and not LGPL that the authors do a diservice without even realizing it.
But not everyone is a lawyer unfortunately.
I would consider using it if it had more plugin support and if website makers still didn't feed IE 6 specific jscript code to it. IE 11 fixed this by ignoring jscript and only supporting ECMA compliant javascript. This broke corporate apps of course reliant on ancient IE behavior.
Slashdot thanks it with a headline "IE BREAKS MORE SITES AGAIN" and the crowd hounds it for non standard behavior LOL. Even though making it act like Chrome and Firefox is what caused this.
But you can get adblock plus for it now and it scores fairly well in HTML 5 compliance tests with up to 90% of Firefox's features. It has the lowest cpu utilization and like Chrome is secure with low-rights and sandboxing which Firefox still frustratingly lacks.
But man like your post says MS created a lot of badwill from first forcing IE 6 on every computer back in the day agaisn't Netscape (another shitty browser too which was not W3C compliant), and MS let IE 6 rot for years and years and years to the point where our places of work were stuck with it for years longer.
If you put a gun to my head and forced me to use it for hte rest of my life I certainly could at this point without wanting to risk taking the bullet instead. :-)
All of these type services should do this, it's one way scammers get access to clueless user's computers.
"This is Microsoft Support. Your computer has virus, and we need to access it. Please log into this site with this ID."
Total BS.
Scammers use the Internet too! Ban it! Please...
Actually a very real problem! Arstechnica.com posted a story where in software reviews on amazon these guys got 0 stars with "They are SCAM ARTISTS SHAME ON YOU logmein!!?" etc
After seeing these reviews would you buy it? Or pay for DMWare instead?
The sole reason they are not free is because of granny's not knowing the difference between a product and a company filling better business bureau and writing negative reviews. AV ones got hit too saying avast called and wanted $150 am hour to fix x.
These reps are damaging and can take you under.
Some people have a HUGE problem with its collection and storage by greedy, sleazy, single minded corporations.
Greedy, yes. Sleazy... maybe, highly probable. Single minded? In Google's case, I doubt it: they are a too intelligent bunch.
Yep they will pay the Russian mob under the table to do it illegal through a subsidiary that funnels the money back to Google corporate. American companies do this all the time for tax evasion and patent lawsuits. They sign a contract that they wont sue anymore for a settlement for additional patents. The patent troll then looks at the patents and opens up a secret shell subsidiary and sues under that for the rest etc.
The ad companies will cry foul and make websites give messages saying how the evil socialist EU regime is taking this website away. Please email X to tell them to reverse this law etc.
Since they are injecting Chrome with malware and adware through buying extensions and now circumventing adblock plus and making javascript fail to load if they detect blockers I would not put this past them.
With 1/3 the gravity of Earth I can see typical 80 mph winds carrying something as small as a doughnut
It is really nice that the recent Linux distros have them.
It is a pain in the butt on FreeBSD to manually switch compilers and hack /etc files and then do a manual compile to get them to work in VMWare workstation 10 in comparison.
You can get 16 gig of ram for $120. The CPU though is not vm friendly
If he is not specifically working at home but needs to learn it, well good luck with that.
Just put the money down and tell yourself it is an important investment. A now n hardware accelerated dual core can't run the several VMs required. But the return means steady employment.
You can get 16 gigs of ram, AMD 6 core, and ssd system for $800. Virtualbox is free until first paycheck where VMware is better. Sounds like the wife is holding the purse strings or he was unemployed for awhile. Credit card time and pay it off in 3 months. Sorry but things cost money and he and the misses need to suck it up. A dual core tablet won't do what is needed.
For web work virtualization is required as freaking office!? Clients love IE 6 support and whine about your code if an ancient IE rendering bug pops out.
I couldn't function without it.
You need IE 6,7,8,9, and w3c compliant browsers all up. You may need node.js to test something that can conflict with Apache? Problem solved create another VM and don't mess with the other one. Need a domain setup like work to test app? Create a server and client to test etc. I would even go as far as saying no real professional would not use them.
Now in terms of your computer and conversation with the misses. Get a new one. It is pennywise and dollar dumb without one. It is an asset and not an expense. VMWare is not kind for anything under 4 cores and 8 gigs of ram without an ssd. Well ok maybe 1 vm but you will be using many ancient versions of IE and web servers. Get an AMD as for 1/3 the cost has 6 cores with hardware virtualization that only icore7s have. For the moderators, I am not proselytizing AMD as a fan boy but rather had to get it as 1st Gen icore5's did not support virtualization in the bios.
Yeah no security risk at all to not autoupdate a platform that executes code