Not to mention I can learn Precalc at any community college with in state tuition. It is not like any sophisticated lab work and research is needed when an instructor, a book, calculator, and a piece of paper is all that is needed to practice math problems.
I never heard of it anyway and that is a marketing problem as well. Has anyone else even knew about it?
Still not corporate friendly. Release schedule not the enemy anymore more than the lack of AD and deployment tools.
I think an ancient version that never changes is last decades news for IT. Why can't things change often? During Netscape this was never a problem. As programmers support standards they will just work with whatever browser at whatever version. Only IE 6 - 8 do not do this. IE 9 and 10 so far are breaking the pattern. Just a few things off in IE 9 that are fixed in IE 10, nothing like hacking custom CSS code with hack after hack and hidden features which wont work in a future release of IE.
The newest apps that are certified with Firefox 3.6 will run on pretty much anything now. But until there is a way to push Firefox on +30,000 workstations where an admin writes a group policy once and is done with after still far away.
Until then IE is a better bet for the corps. I do not care about the longer release unless the users use special plugins that can break or if the app is old and only for IE 6 or 7.
Then we wouldn't have obsolete browsers in the office. IE 9 is the first good MS browser in 12 years! It is standards compliant and does not support the proprietary jscript shit that IE 8 still ties that corps can not leave from which is why corps are not upgrading.
do not recall seeing corps violently opposed to upgrading Netscape or IE (pre IE 6) did you? Infact, the managers DEMANDED up to date browsers! IT workers who did not upgrade all the time were incompetent as the world moved on. IE 6 changed all of that. Even IE 8 has proprietary apis in jscript and VBscript that developers loving using to tie to other products. Even if the rendering engine is not atrocious like IE 6 is.
IE 10 is almost done for Windows 7 and scores to what Firefox 7 does HTML 5 and CSS 3 wise.
The world is moving on and it is time app developers STOP SUPPORTING LOCKIN. If your office choices to stay with IE 8 until 2020 then do not expect the web to support you. It is ridiculous and I wont wait until the 2020s to enjoy todays technology. Lets hope in the coming years as IE is standards compliant that the code will magically work with all other browsers as well.
Macs are in offices more than in any other time since the 1980s. A compliant intranet app that can run with Safari is a plus. The world is changing.
Well you are smarter than 90% of the people who run old Adobe in corps. I wish their IT departments would see that if they are cheap and refuse to upgrade. I heard good things with Sumatra but like you I see no reason to change as well.:-)
Why do you need to embed the JavaScript in a PDF when you can just run the JavaScript exploit directly? Do you think that running a PDF viewer written in JavaScript is going to give the embedded JavaScript in a PDF some sort of special powers?
The power to execute data? Yes. If Mozilla took it out people would whine their PDFs wont work. It was a moronic thing for Adobe to include. I use Foxit PDF because it allows limited javascript functions, is sandboxed, and on top of that will display a warning and run in safemode with javascript disabled by default. Mozilla does have many holes in Javascript fixed, but it is not fully sandboxed like the other browsers to save ram.
I posted a story last July and Firefox handled the most amount of tabs with the least ram. IE 9 surprising wins too if you have just 1 - 2 tabs. Chrome now is the new pig. My, have things changed in just 1 year.
This is a major security risk if you ask me. Chrome and IE are and Mozilla is still behind. Flash luckily is now sandboxed which is a huge improvement but PDFs can contain nasty javascript exploits and without a sandbox could be a SECURITY NIGHTMARE.
I am sticking with Firefox ESR 17.01. It will be supported for a year and and want to see if my suspicions are right.
If my information is outdated feel free to correct as I am in the process of not recommending Firefox anymore unless the corporate system is still on XP. IE is much secure now in Windows 7.
This is bullshit. Many folks I know personally at Microsoft sport Macbook Pros (running Windows mostly). Not sure about the phone thing, but if it runs Windows, it's definitely kosher.
*facepalm* *headdesk* *strangles self with mouse cord*
You know when I was a kid I personified my computer after I learned it has AI. I still think of it as a crude primptive set of conciousness. Forcing Windows on a Mac is like.... like watching an animal being tortured and shriveling in pain.
I know it is not likely that and is irritational to think that but it feels wrong on so many levels. That or like putting ketchup and how grade $80 steak at Ruths & Christophers.
It is a good thing then for you guys Bill Gates no longer works there. My hunch, is if he wont even let his family use one and hasn't worked there in a decade he would be quite irritated and flabbergasted.
I would surely not want to see that outside of testing purposes if I were a top guy and would make you all eat the dog food. Remember your old saying?
I would disable PDF support in your browsers unless you want a million trojans on a weekly basis and use Foxit.
Adobe does not update products these old and wants you to get hacked so they can sell you $299 version that you do not need instead. That and Java drive me crazy and keep my busy when I work in a corporate clients office. Lots and lots of infections and costs add up more than the cost to upgrade fast but the cost accountants do not see that. Only savings.
Says you. Adobe Lightroom is easily worth every penny.
yeah if you are a professional artist or photographer. Not someone who has $400 left at the end of the month if he IS LUCKY like 50% of americans these days. What about starving artists, website designers, or those who want to do some cropping.
I hate piracy, but I can not afford Adobe products. Maybe if I were a paid advertising guru at a big firm I would happily blow $700 and use it it for a tax write off.
Paintshop Pro was popular for awhile. While it is not free it is $69 at any BestBuy and it has nice tools to create backgrounds and textures. Not just edit photos.
Do we as geeks and IT professionals need to worry about this?
First it was the OS that got you owned. Then when Linux, Macosx, and NT/XP came it was about IE. IE 5.5 and 6 were instant targets. Then as that died off it was flash, java, and ODF addons.
Are video drivers next? Which never gets updated? The video drivers. Which has its own cpu, ram, and is never checked by AV? The video card. A reflash would be a nightmate.
The imagination technology drivers aren't open source, which was a big issue. Moving to an Intel video board means that it will be released as free software (unless Intel changes its policy which is very unlikely). That's a very good news for the open source platforms!
With netbooks declared dead during the week, so dies Windows 7 Starter with them.
The market here is the $400 Windows 8 Tablet, allowing Intel to compete with Win RT but allowing OEMs to produce high-end Core i7 convertibles at triple the price.
Some people want Windows 7 on tablets and tiny laptops too. The market is not dead. Just no more a cost saver if you can get a bigger screen and keyboard as well. Walmart has lots of larger notebooks with such crappy processors in them.
I can see a business case too in a few years where energy savings could be miracolous for desktops with these. Especially if it is a really big company with 40,000+ computers! That could equal tens of millions in energy costs.
But nope no corp will touch Windows 8 nor will most users. If all you need is to run some crappy IE 8 intranet app, type a document in word, and read email in outlook you do not need an icore7. This is perfect for most users.
The link is here. Basically some Atoms can not run WIndows 8, and clovertrail is specifically designed not to be Windows 7 compatible.
Unless any information has changed my suspicious part of me feels Intel feels threatens the low margin and is trying to make sure this stays only in tables and not in servers nor desktops which is shame. I see no reason to spend a tiny portion of R&D backporting WDDM1.2 to WDDM 1.1 so the graphics work with the Windows 7 kernel.
This is one of the reasons why sequestration would not be so bad. While each arm fo the service does have specific needs, it is hard to imagine that these needs extend to general IT and the like. Therefore, if the pentagon chose to, it could come up with a 5-10% reduction in spending.
And yes, social service can also find saving. For instance, if Congress allowed medicare part D to aggressively negotiate costs, ut would save several billion dollars. We already are on track to punish hospitals that do not provide care. Getting rid of the middle vendors in the choice program would also save money.
The problem with these is that all require the feds to go after big business who are getting fat off government contracts instead of competing in the market place. This reminds me of a conversation I heard a while back on conservative radio. Many millions of dollars was spent building a stadium for a school district. The contractor that called in did not have problem with the waste of money, just that he was not able to bid for the money. The host agreed that was a travesty without knowing why the contractor was not able to bid. I see this all the time, people not really concerned with the waste of money, but that they cannot get their cut.
Isn't it great the Government is watching the fiscal cliff so carefully and cutting costs so carefully.
We talk about not raising taxes for those who make over $250,000 and want to cut medicare, Social security, and other entitlements for those evil socialist freeloaders, but what is $700,000,000 extra between friends wink wink. That is freedom!
DOD and the pentagon still use IE 6 according to other slashdotters, and Navy still uses IE 7.
If I had a gun to my head I would pick Windows 8 if I could use a somewhat HTTP graphical application called a browser, since IE 6 really is not a browser because it is proprietary.
Have you ran it? It is the full blown linux kernel plus freetype fonts and other things. It is not just capable, but it actually includes images and even source code. I can boot 4 or 5 phones up. That is Linux it boots.
I thought you all would be upset that they are violating the license? Not attacking me as a troll.
If I wanted to be a troll I could go on quoting the real Bill Gates saying it is viral if you put an include statement. However, it is copyleft or LGPL the last I looked so you can still link to it and make it proprietary. But the kernel, glibc, and others are a no no.
When MacOSX was brand new 12 years people on slashdot were upset they didn't choose Linux.
But the reason was for situations like this. Apple wanted to own it and not have any legal issues if they wanted to bundle the kernel for other things years later... like the IPOD and IPHONE. They couldn't put a restrictive license on it as it would be a GPL violation.
I am in favor of the BSD license as it is tax payer funded and a corporation should enjoy the same benefits as the common man. If you do not like Apple, go use FreeBSD. Seems fair? But I do not want this to turn into a license flamewar. Just stating that you can't make Linux non GPL and Google needs to have 2 licenses and seperate the products.
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Not to mention I can learn Precalc at any community college with in state tuition. It is not like any sophisticated lab work and research is needed when an instructor, a book, calculator, and a piece of paper is all that is needed to practice math problems.
I never heard of it anyway and that is a marketing problem as well. Has anyone else even knew about it?
Still not corporate friendly. Release schedule not the enemy anymore more than the lack of AD and deployment tools.
I think an ancient version that never changes is last decades news for IT. Why can't things change often? During Netscape this was never a problem. As programmers support standards they will just work with whatever browser at whatever version. Only IE 6 - 8 do not do this. IE 9 and 10 so far are breaking the pattern. Just a few things off in IE 9 that are fixed in IE 10, nothing like hacking custom CSS code with hack after hack and hidden features which wont work in a future release of IE.
The newest apps that are certified with Firefox 3.6 will run on pretty much anything now. But until there is a way to push Firefox on +30,000 workstations where an admin writes a group policy once and is done with after still far away.
Until then IE is a better bet for the corps. I do not care about the longer release unless the users use special plugins that can break or if the app is old and only for IE 6 or 7.
Then we wouldn't have obsolete browsers in the office. IE 9 is the first good MS browser in 12 years! It is standards compliant and does not support the proprietary jscript shit that IE 8 still ties that corps can not leave from which is why corps are not upgrading.
do not recall seeing corps violently opposed to upgrading Netscape or IE (pre IE 6) did you? Infact, the managers DEMANDED up to date browsers! IT workers who did not upgrade all the time were incompetent as the world moved on. IE 6 changed all of that. Even IE 8 has proprietary apis in jscript and VBscript that developers loving using to tie to other products. Even if the rendering engine is not atrocious like IE 6 is.
IE 10 is almost done for Windows 7 and scores to what Firefox 7 does HTML 5 and CSS 3 wise.
The world is moving on and it is time app developers STOP SUPPORTING LOCKIN. If your office choices to stay with IE 8 until 2020 then do not expect the web to support you. It is ridiculous and I wont wait until the 2020s to enjoy todays technology. Lets hope in the coming years as IE is standards compliant that the code will magically work with all other browsers as well.
Macs are in offices more than in any other time since the 1980s. A compliant intranet app that can run with Safari is a plus. The world is changing.
Too bad I have Windows 7 x64. :-(
What I do not like is that this encourages uses to stay on XP and Ie 8 (for those who hate change) for longer.
Well you are smarter than 90% of the people who run old Adobe in corps. I wish their IT departments would see that if they are cheap and refuse to upgrade. I heard good things with Sumatra but like you I see no reason to change as well. :-)
As long as they are secure.
Why do you need to embed the JavaScript in a PDF when you can just run the JavaScript exploit directly? Do you think that running a PDF viewer written in JavaScript is going to give the embedded JavaScript in a PDF some sort of special powers?
The power to execute data? Yes. If Mozilla took it out people would whine their PDFs wont work. It was a moronic thing for Adobe to include. I use Foxit PDF because it allows limited javascript functions, is sandboxed, and on top of that will display a warning and run in safemode with javascript disabled by default. Mozilla does have many holes in Javascript fixed, but it is not fully sandboxed like the other browsers to save ram.
Have you looked at recent benchmarks?
I posted a story last July and Firefox handled the most amount of tabs with the least ram. IE 9 surprising wins too if you have just 1 - 2 tabs. Chrome now is the new pig. My, have things changed in just 1 year.
This is a major security risk if you ask me. Chrome and IE are and Mozilla is still behind. Flash luckily is now sandboxed which is a huge improvement but PDFs can contain nasty javascript exploits and without a sandbox could be a SECURITY NIGHTMARE.
I am sticking with Firefox ESR 17.01. It will be supported for a year and and want to see if my suspicions are right.
If my information is outdated feel free to correct as I am in the process of not recommending Firefox anymore unless the corporate system is still on XP. IE is much secure now in Windows 7.
This is bullshit. Many folks I know personally at Microsoft sport Macbook Pros (running Windows mostly). Not sure about the phone thing, but if it runs Windows, it's definitely kosher.
*facepalm* *headdesk* *strangles self with mouse cord*
You know when I was a kid I personified my computer after I learned it has AI. I still think of it as a crude primptive set of conciousness. Forcing Windows on a Mac is like .... like watching an animal being tortured and shriveling in pain.
I know it is not likely that and is irritational to think that but it feels wrong on so many levels. That or like putting ketchup and how grade $80 steak at Ruths & Christophers.
It is a good thing then for you guys Bill Gates no longer works there. My hunch, is if he wont even let his family use one and hasn't worked there in a decade he would be quite irritated and flabbergasted.
I would surely not want to see that outside of testing purposes if I were a top guy and would make you all eat the dog food. Remember your old saying?
I would disable PDF support in your browsers unless you want a million trojans on a weekly basis and use Foxit.
Adobe does not update products these old and wants you to get hacked so they can sell you $299 version that you do not need instead. That and Java drive me crazy and keep my busy when I work in a corporate clients office. Lots and lots of infections and costs add up more than the cost to upgrade fast but the cost accountants do not see that. Only savings.
Says you. Adobe Lightroom is easily worth every penny.
yeah if you are a professional artist or photographer. Not someone who has $400 left at the end of the month if he IS LUCKY like 50% of americans these days. What about starving artists, website designers, or those who want to do some cropping.
I hate piracy, but I can not afford Adobe products. Maybe if I were a paid advertising guru at a big firm I would happily blow $700 and use it it for a tax write off.
Paintshop Pro was popular for awhile. While it is not free it is $69 at any BestBuy and it has nice tools to create backgrounds and textures. Not just edit photos.
Its not W3C standard. Under that arguement IE6 wins them all with the most hidden features.
Nvidia and ATI have great cheap $49 cards if you want aero. That can cream the gaming 7800 series easily. No meed to get a new system.
If it is on XP you have a lot more security issues than this card though.
Do we as geeks and IT professionals need to worry about this?
First it was the OS that got you owned. Then when Linux, Macosx, and NT/XP came it was about IE. IE 5.5 and 6 were instant targets. Then as that died off it was flash, java, and ODF addons.
Are video drivers next? Which never gets updated? The video drivers. Which has its own cpu, ram, and is never checked by AV? The video card. A reflash would be a nightmate.
The imagination technology drivers aren't open source, which was a big issue. Moving to an Intel video board means that it will be released as free software (unless Intel changes its policy which is very unlikely). That's a very good news for the open source platforms!
Call my cynical with these. Intels clover is not Windows 7 compatible, and the previous are not Windows 8 compatible. If intel is blowing off Windows 7 without working drivers for their newest chipsets what makes you think they will support Linux either?
They want you to blow extra $$$ for an icore5 that you do not need, and are trying to make this for tablets and phones only to stop ARM.
With netbooks declared dead during the week, so dies Windows 7 Starter with them.
The market here is the $400 Windows 8 Tablet, allowing Intel to compete with Win RT but allowing OEMs to produce high-end Core i7 convertibles at triple the price.
Some people want Windows 7 on tablets and tiny laptops too. The market is not dead. Just no more a cost saver if you can get a bigger screen and keyboard as well. Walmart has lots of larger notebooks with such crappy processors in them.
I can see a business case too in a few years where energy savings could be miracolous for desktops with these. Especially if it is a really big company with 40,000+ computers! That could equal tens of millions in energy costs.
But nope no corp will touch Windows 8 nor will most users. If all you need is to run some crappy IE 8 intranet app, type a document in word, and read email in outlook you do not need an icore7. This is perfect for most users.
The link is here. Basically some Atoms can not run WIndows 8, and clovertrail is specifically designed not to be Windows 7 compatible.
Unless any information has changed my suspicious part of me feels Intel feels threatens the low margin and is trying to make sure this stays only in tables and not in servers nor desktops which is shame. I see no reason to spend a tiny portion of R&D backporting WDDM1.2 to WDDM 1.1 so the graphics work with the Windows 7 kernel.
This is one of the reasons why sequestration would not be so bad. While each arm fo the service does have specific needs, it is hard to imagine that these needs extend to general IT and the like. Therefore, if the pentagon chose to, it could come up with a 5-10% reduction in spending.
And yes, social service can also find saving. For instance, if Congress allowed medicare part D to aggressively negotiate costs, ut would save several billion dollars. We already are on track to punish hospitals that do not provide care. Getting rid of the middle vendors in the choice program would also save money.
The problem with these is that all require the feds to go after big business who are getting fat off government contracts instead of competing in the market place. This reminds me of a conversation I heard a while back on conservative radio. Many millions of dollars was spent building a stadium for a school district. The contractor that called in did not have problem with the waste of money, just that he was not able to bid for the money. The host agreed that was a travesty without knowing why the contractor was not able to bid. I see this all the time, people not really concerned with the waste of money, but that they cannot get their cut.
Isn't it great the Government is watching the fiscal cliff so carefully and cutting costs so carefully.
We talk about not raising taxes for those who make over $250,000 and want to cut medicare, Social security, and other entitlements for those evil socialist freeloaders, but what is $700,000,000 extra between friends wink wink. That is freedom!
Provided that the call center was not a previous target. Outsourcing, you know...
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Oh that's easy. Bob from Mumbai over there asked if we restarted it yet?
Why is my 1034-55/12 Authorization for Nuclear Strike form all garbaged up now?
That is because the internet enabled Nuclear Strike site is optimized for IE 6.
DOD and the pentagon still use IE 6 according to other slashdotters, and Navy still uses IE 7.
If I had a gun to my head I would pick Windows 8 if I could use a somewhat HTTP graphical application called a browser, since IE 6 really is not a browser because it is proprietary.
But man windows 8 is irritating.
Have you ran it? It is the full blown linux kernel plus freetype fonts and other things. It is not just capable, but it actually includes images and even source code. I can boot 4 or 5 phones up. That is Linux it boots.
I thought you all would be upset that they are violating the license? Not attacking me as a troll.
If I wanted to be a troll I could go on quoting the real Bill Gates saying it is viral if you put an include statement. However, it is copyleft or LGPL the last I looked so you can still link to it and make it proprietary. But the kernel, glibc, and others are a no no.
When MacOSX was brand new 12 years people on slashdot were upset they didn't choose Linux.
But the reason was for situations like this. Apple wanted to own it and not have any legal issues if they wanted to bundle the kernel for other things years later ... like the IPOD and IPHONE. They couldn't put a restrictive license on it as it would be a GPL violation.
I am in favor of the BSD license as it is tax payer funded and a corporation should enjoy the same benefits as the common man. If you do not like Apple, go use FreeBSD. Seems fair? But I do not want this to turn into a license flamewar. Just stating that you can't make Linux non GPL and Google needs to have 2 licenses and seperate the products.